6:44 p.m.
Here's the new FAQ. If I've made any mistakes, or left something out, or some
language can be improved, please let me know. Or if you have the right access,
please feel free to change it yourself.
https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/?edit_off=true#how-change-display-units...
If anyone is interested in writing a more detailed and technical explanation of
all this, in the wiki, we can link to it from the faq. (Or if there already is
one, please give me the address and I'll make the link.
Thank you very much!
brynn
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Jeanmougin
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 2:52 AM
To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units
Hi,
On 09/18/2017 03:19 AM, brynn wrote:
So when someone needs to change the Display units, so that their
drawing
is as close to real world size as possible, do this:
1 -- set the desired Page Size and units (this sets the viewBox, right?)
2 -- temporarily change Display units to px
3 -- change the Scale to 1
4 -- change the Display units to the desired unit
5 -- the Scale will automatically change to the appropriate value
6 -- leave everything else alone
Yes
If that's correct then
1 -- I'll make a new FAQ item for it (if no objections) - perhaps link
to Marc's article about it - or is there a wiki page for it?
2 -- I'm really thinking Inkscape needs to do all that internally. I
think users should be able to simply select the unit they want, the page
size they want, and Inkscape does the rest. May I make the bug/feature
report, or is it already planned or requested?
If that's not correct, please tell me where I'm going wrong.
We also can control the "scale" because, whether it is practical or not,
the current behavior of the "default mm" template is that a unitless
value in the document (like width="5"), like inkscape sets by default,
is in millimeters to be able to "see" it in the xml. (Which also means
that width="5mm" will NOT be 5mm)
Oh, one last question.
> If you only measure
your stuff with the display units (and do not use units in the code, it
should not matter (tools "should" take the scale into account, and if
some do not it's an bug
Do you mean to say that it's possible some tools are not respecting the
Scale? Or is that more of a theory.
Technically possible, especially with extensions.
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New subject: [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units
Am 24.09.2017 um 11:44 schrieb brynn:
Here's the new FAQ. If I've made any mistakes, or left
something out,
or some language can be improved, please let me know. Or if you have
the right access, please feel free to change it yourself.
https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/?edit_off=true#how-change-display-units...
If anyone is interested in writing a more detailed and technical
explanation of all this, in the wiki, we can link to it from the faq.
(Or if there already is one, please give me the address and I'll make
the link.
Thank you very much!
brynn
Hi brynn,
just two notes on the (*):
* "It does not correspond to any specific size":
As a matter of fact it does (right now it's 1/96 inch). The problem
is more that this scale - as pointed out by others in the discussion
before - can change at the will of the W3C. If they ever decide to
change it again we'd neet to scale documents again (but this time it
will be possible to do this fully automatic, i.e. should not require
the users interaction anymore)
* "It can't be used offline -- for example, you can't print an image
in pixels, because the printer doesn't use pixels for a measurement.":
That sounds as if the printer would stop working if I tried anyway
(which obviously is not true). Printing a px-based document works
just as well, what users have to be aware of that a "dot" (as in
"dots per inch" or dpi of the printer) does not relate to the px in
the SVG document which has a fixed scale.
What about dropping the (*) as well as the term "real world units"
altogether? I think it's not strictly relevant within the scope of your
answer (choosing "px" and "mm" works exactly the same way for users).
Regards,
Eduard
5:43 p.m.
New subject: [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units
Thanks Eduard,
I used "real world units" because it was part of your explanations that
I latched on to and understand. In the faq, I thought it was important to
explain that there's a fundamental difference between px and all the other
units.
But yeah. I guess it would still work without that. Revised:
https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/?edit_off=true#how-change-display-units...
All best,
brynn
-----Original Message-----
From: Eduard Braun
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 4:53 AM
To: Inkscape User Community ; brynn ; Inkscape-Devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] the Scale setting and Display units
Am 24.09.2017 um 11:44 schrieb brynn:
Here's the new FAQ. If I've made any mistakes, or left something out, or some
language can be improved, please let me know. Or if you have the right access,
please feel free to change it yourself.
https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/?edit_off=true#how-change-display-units...
If anyone is interested in writing a more detailed and technical explanation of
all this, in the wiki, we can link to it from the faq. (Or if there already is
one, please give me the address and I'll make the link.
Thank you very much!
brynn
Hi brynn,
just two notes on the (*):
"It does not correspond to any specific size":
As a matter of fact it does (right now it's 1/96 inch). The problem is more that
this scale - as pointed out by others in the discussion before - can change at
the will of the W3C. If they ever decide to change it again we'd neet to scale
documents again (but this time it will be possible to do this fully automatic,
i.e. should not require the users interaction anymore)
"It can't be used offline -- for example, you can't print an image in pixels,
because the printer doesn't use pixels for a measurement.":
That sounds as if the printer would stop working if I tried anyway (which
obviously is not true). Printing a px-based document works just as well, what
users have to be aware of that a "dot" (as in "dots per inch" or dpi
of the
printer) does not relate to the px in the SVG document which has a fixed scale.
What about dropping the (*) as well as the term "real world units" altogether? I
think it's not strictly relevant within the scope of your answer (choosing
"px"
and "mm" works exactly the same way for users).
Regards,
Eduard
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