Hi C,

FWIW, I would certainly like to see those videos come to life :)

I know there are already lots and lots of Inkscape videos on youtube, and even complete series.

But if we had something official, that is explicitly published by the project, has Inkscape's trademarks (the logo is CC-By-SA), is linked from our sites, and has been reviewed by the developers (or a larger group of users) for correctness (there are also many low-quality videos out there), that would be really cool and helpful.

If they are short, and don't need translation (we could have the menu item names you click on translated in subtitles), that would be a big plus.

Thank you for your ideas, and willingness to make them true :), Regards, Maren

Am 26.08.2015 um 17:15 schrieb C R:

Thanks for the input, Shlomi Fish.

From the forums I get the impression we are looking for step-by-step videos more than written ones. Also, your tutorial leaves out the steps taken to download, install, and use the extension (which could be a tutorial all on it's own). Since there are plenty of features to go over in Inkscape without installing extensions for now I think I'll stick with Inkscape's core functionality. I would also argue that if enough people are interested in a feature, and the only way to get that feature to work correctly is to install an extension, then really, it should be merged into trunk before doing an "official" video on it.

What I'm envisioning is a simple screen capture set to music, short videos, no more than about 60 seconds each seconds to highlight a feature (unless the feature requires more).

Each clip can feature the same 5-second intro with the Inkscape Logo and tagline "Draw-freely". My initial thought: bouncing ink-droplet bounces in, looks both ways, then crouches down and leaps up against the white wall of the background, hits the wall, and spashes out into the Inkscape logo. The words "draw freely" will then be drawn in quickly as if by invisible pen (with suitably sketchy sound effect), and then fade to white. The effect would be a simple, clean and effective piece of branding that is memorable, but doesn't make the viewers crazy if they are watching 30 in a row. :) The white would fade directly into a timelapse of the clip that will be shown overlaid with the title of the clip (lasts about 3 seconds). That fades to the actual screencapture, with captioned information. Once the screencapture video is done, the video fades to white background again with a small Inkscape logo with inkscape.org http://inkscape.org url, and small-print "This video is distributed under the GPL licence" etc.

Because I agree that "bullshit walks", and this likely all sounds like pie-in-the-sky at present... I shall make the intro, the outro and sammich a tutorial of the Selection Tool as the feature in between.

Pending approval from the group, I will then make all materials available via a github archive, which can be cloned and modified, and maintained as any other piece of the project might be.

More soon.

-C

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Shlomi Fish <shlomif@...2985... mailto:shlomif@...2985...> wrote:

Hi C,

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:45:49 +0100
C R <cajhne@...400... <mailto:cajhne@...400...>> wrote:

> We can tackle this on several fronts:
>
> 1. Feature-oriented videos to demonstrate tools. These videos would
> accompany the documentation. I found this quite helpful to learn
Blender 3D.
>
> 2. A beginner walk-through of Inkscape's user interface
>
> 3. A teaser/commercial with screencaptures of some of our talented
> community of artists working on professional projects with Inkscape.
>
> 4. Migration from Adobe Illustrator to Inkscape for graphics
professionals
>
> 5. A short series of how-to videos demonstrating how to make some
common
> graphics tasks like:
>
> -How to make elements like vines/flourishes
>
> -How to use Inkscape for package design
>
> -How to use Inkscape for labels, barcodes, and templates
>
> -How to use Inkscape for product design
>
> -Using Inkscape to make video caption templates
>
> -Favourites, or most-asked-for tutorials on the forums.
>
> -etc.
>
> 6. Tips and tricks to do things quickly in Inkscape. Some of these
things
> aren't obvious, but highlighting features and how to use them to
> supercharge your graphics workflow is key especially for
production artists.
>
> I can do pretty much all of these, with the added bonus of using
Blender 3D
> as my Open Source video production software of choice.
>
> My only real limitation is time, but I'm happy to provide my
graphics and
> materials to the team so others can help by filling in the gaps
when they
> get time.
>
> Thoughts?
>

This seems like a good categorisation of what can be done. Now I
think it's
important that people actually start writing tutorials because "code
talks;
bullshit walks.". A contest may be a good idea, but people can start
working
before that.

FWIW, I have written this tutorial-of-sorts on how I prepared a
"Back to my
homepage" logo in Inkscape that emulates the one used on the film
"Back to the
Future":

http://www.shlomifish.org/art/back-to-my-homepage-2nd-ver/

I licence the final product under the Public Domain , but
acknowledge that it
may be subject to trademark or copyright claims by the owners of the
Back to
the Future franchise. I didn't assign a licence to the text of the
tutorial
itself, but I'm open to suggestions.

I have also used Inkscape to prepare some captions images (a la
lolcats) but
I'm a little rusty in doing that and it may be too trivial to do.

Regards,

        Shlomi Fish


> -C
>
> On 25 Aug 2015 3:02 pm, "Alex Valavanis" <valavanisalex@...400...
<mailto:valavanisalex@...400...>> wrote:
>
> > We briefly discussed the prospect of adding tutorials on a streaming
> > site at the Hackfest... given the size of the user community, the ad
> > revenue from something like YouTube could be helpful.  As for who
> > would do it, I'm not sure!
> >
> > AV
> >
> > On 25 August 2015 at 14:53, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...
<mailto:doctormo@...400...>> wrote:
> > > Dear developers,
> > >
> > > I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a theme:
> > >
> > > www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape
<http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape>
> > >
> > > Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big need for
> > > tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.
> > >
> > > This is probably something we should put together for the website.
> > > Something coherent for users.
> > >
> > > But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use. A
competition?
> > > Scouting for talent?
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> > >
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Hi CR,

Please make all the video material (source etc) available and script any of the bits that construct the video into a whole.

An animation would be good.

I'm going to offer the services of my wife for voice work, who does these kinds of videos for Harvard and I think a very accessible accent.

So, it looks like what we need are some parts. One is the intro and outro animations which CR will take care of. The next is some simple music to use, there's lots of good CC-BY-SA works out there for it but we should use the same music for all videos. And the third slice is the scripts list, a list of progressively more complex tasks to make videos for.

Does the council currently control an inkscape youtube channel?

Martin,

On Wed, 2015-08-26 at 16:15 +0100, C R wrote:

Thanks for the input, Shlomi Fish.

From the forums I get the impression we are looking for step-by-step videos more than written ones. Also, your tutorial leaves out the steps taken to download, install, and use the extension (which could be a tutorial all on it's own). Since there are plenty of features to go over in Inkscape without installing extensions for now I think I'll stick with Inkscape's core functionality. I would also argue that if enough people are interested in a feature, and the only way to get that feature to work correctly is to install an extension, then really, it should be merged into trunk before doing an "official" video on it.

What I'm envisioning is a simple screen capture set to music, short videos, no more than about 60 seconds each seconds to highlight a feature (unless the feature requires more).

Each clip can feature the same 5-second intro with the Inkscape Logo and tagline "Draw-freely". My initial thought: bouncing ink-droplet bounces in, looks both ways, then crouches down and leaps up against the white wall of the background, hits the wall, and spashes out into the Inkscape logo. The words "draw freely" will then be drawn in quickly as if by invisible pen (with suitably sketchy sound effect), and then fade to white. The effect would be a simple, clean and effective piece of branding that is memorable, but doesn't make the viewers crazy if they are watching 30 in a row. :) The white would fade directly into a timelapse of the clip that will be shown overlaid with the title of the clip (lasts about 3 seconds). That fades to the actual screencapture, with captioned information. Once the screencapture video is done, the video fades to white background again with a small Inkscape logo with inkscape.org url, and small-print "This video is distributed under the GPL licence" etc.

Because I agree that "bullshit walks", and this likely all sounds like pie-in-the-sky at present... I shall make the intro, the outro and sammich a tutorial of the Selection Tool as the feature in between.

Pending approval from the group, I will then make all materials available via a github archive, which can be cloned and modified, and maintained as any other piece of the project might be.

More soon.

-C

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Shlomi Fish <shlomif@...2985...> wrote: Hi C,

    On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:45:49 +0100
    C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

    > We can tackle this on several fronts:
    >
    > 1. Feature-oriented videos to demonstrate tools. These
    videos would
    > accompany the documentation. I found this quite helpful to
    learn Blender 3D.
    >
    > 2. A beginner walk-through of Inkscape's user interface
    >
    > 3. A teaser/commercial with screencaptures of some of our
    talented
    > community of artists working on professional projects with
    Inkscape.
    >
    > 4. Migration from Adobe Illustrator to Inkscape for graphics
    professionals
    >
    > 5. A short series of how-to videos demonstrating how to make
    some common
    > graphics tasks like:
    >
    > -How to make elements like vines/flourishes
    >
    > -How to use Inkscape for package design
    >
    > -How to use Inkscape for labels, barcodes, and templates
    >
    > -How to use Inkscape for product design
    >
    > -Using Inkscape to make video caption templates
    >
    > -Favourites, or most-asked-for tutorials on the forums.
    >
    > -etc.
    >
    > 6. Tips and tricks to do things quickly in Inkscape. Some of
    these things
    > aren't obvious, but highlighting features and how to use
    them to
    > supercharge your graphics workflow is key especially for
    production artists.
    >
    > I can do pretty much all of these, with the added bonus of
    using Blender 3D
    > as my Open Source video production software of choice.
    >
    > My only real limitation is time, but I'm happy to provide my
    graphics and
    > materials to the team so others can help by filling in the
    gaps when they
    > get time.
    >
    > Thoughts?
    >


    This seems like a good categorisation of what can be done. Now
    I think it's
    important that people actually start writing tutorials because
    "code talks;
    bullshit walks.". A contest may be a good idea, but people can
    start working
    before that.

    FWIW, I have written this tutorial-of-sorts on how I prepared
    a "Back to my
    homepage" logo in Inkscape that emulates the one used on the
    film "Back to the
    Future":

    http://www.shlomifish.org/art/back-to-my-homepage-2nd-ver/

    I licence the final product under the Public Domain , but
    acknowledge that it
    may be subject to trademark or copyright claims by the owners
    of the Back to
    the Future franchise. I didn't assign a licence to the text of
    the tutorial
    itself, but I'm open to suggestions.

    I have also used Inkscape to prepare some captions images (a
    la lolcats) but
    I'm a little rusty in doing that and it may be too trivial to
    do.

    Regards,

            Shlomi Fish


    > -C
    >
    > On 25 Aug 2015 3:02 pm, "Alex Valavanis"
    <valavanisalex@...400...> wrote:
    >
    > > We briefly discussed the prospect of adding tutorials on a
    streaming
    > > site at the Hackfest... given the size of the user
    community, the ad
    > > revenue from something like YouTube could be helpful.  As
    for who
    > > would do it, I'm not sure!
    > >
    > > AV
    > >
    > > On 25 August 2015 at 14:53, Martin Owens
    <doctormo@...400...> wrote:
    > > > Dear developers,
    > > >
    > > > I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a
    theme:
    > > >
    > > >
    www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape
    > > >
    > > > Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big
    need for
    > > > tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.
    > > >
    > > > This is probably something we should put together for
    the website.
    > > > Something coherent for users.
    > > >
    > > > But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use.
    A competition?
    > > > Scouting for talent?
    > > >
    > > > What do you think?
    > > >
    > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
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This sounds wonderful. I just want to remark that a "making of" and a more detailed tutorial style video of (a) the production of the trailer and (b) the overall production (screen capture, cut etc.) of a tutorial would make up a great learning resource as well. This is not only about inkscape anymore, but it would show how all theses open source tools including inkscape work together to produce something great.

Maybe you can take this into account and capture some of the process. Usually, one would have to do the process at least twice, one to figure everything out and do the "real thing" (e.g. production of the trailer) and one for the final capture for the tutorial I describe. But if you produce material in your first run, it will be easier to script and arrange the second one.

Just my €0,02.

Best regards

Chris

Am 26.08.2015 um 17:15 schrieb C R:

Thanks for the input, Shlomi Fish.

...

From the forums I get the impression we are looking for step-by-step videos

more than written ones. Also, your tutorial leaves out the steps taken to download, install, and use the extension (which could be a tutorial all on it's own). Since there are plenty of features to go over in Inkscape without installing extensions for now I think I'll stick with Inkscape's core functionality. I would also argue that if enough people are interested in a feature, and the only way to get that feature to work correctly is to install an extension, then really, it should be merged into trunk before doing an "official" video on it.

What I'm envisioning is a simple screen capture set to music, short videos, no more than about 60 seconds each seconds to highlight a feature (unless the feature requires more).

Each clip can feature the same 5-second intro with the Inkscape Logo and tagline "Draw-freely". My initial thought: bouncing ink-droplet bounces in, looks both ways, then crouches down and leaps up against the white wall of the background, hits the wall, and spashes out into the Inkscape logo. The words "draw freely" will then be drawn in quickly as if by invisible pen (with suitably sketchy sound effect), and then fade to white. The effect would be a simple, clean and effective piece of branding that is memorable, but doesn't make the viewers crazy if they are watching 30 in a row. :) The white would fade directly into a timelapse of the clip that will be shown overlaid with the title of the clip (lasts about 3 seconds). That fades to the actual screencapture, with captioned information. Once the screencapture video is done, the video fades to white background again with a small Inkscape logo with inkscape.org url, and small-print "This video is distributed under the GPL licence" etc.

Because I agree that "bullshit walks", and this likely all sounds like pie-in-the-sky at present... I shall make the intro, the outro and sammich a tutorial of the Selection Tool as the feature in between.

Pending approval from the group, I will then make all materials available via a github archive, which can be cloned and modified, and maintained as any other piece of the project might be.

More soon.

-C

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Shlomi Fish <shlomif@...2985...> wrote:

...

Hi C,

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:45:49 +0100 C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:

...

We can tackle this on several fronts:

1. Feature-oriented videos to demonstrate tools. These videos would

accompany the documentation. I found this quite helpful to learn Blender

3D.

...

2. A beginner walk-through of Inkscape's user interface

3. A teaser/commercial with screencaptures of some of our talented

community of artists working on professional projects with Inkscape.

4. Migration from Adobe Illustrator to Inkscape for graphics

professionals

...

5. A short series of how-to videos demonstrating how to make some common

graphics tasks like:

-How to make elements like vines/flourishes

-How to use Inkscape for package design

-How to use Inkscape for labels, barcodes, and templates

-How to use Inkscape for product design

-Using Inkscape to make video caption templates

-Favourites, or most-asked-for tutorials on the forums.

-etc.

6. Tips and tricks to do things quickly in Inkscape. Some of these things

aren't obvious, but highlighting features and how to use them to supercharge your graphics workflow is key especially for production

artists.

...

I can do pretty much all of these, with the added bonus of using Blender

3D

...

as my Open Source video production software of choice.

My only real limitation is time, but I'm happy to provide my graphics and materials to the team so others can help by filling in the gaps when they get time.

Thoughts?

This seems like a good categorisation of what can be done. Now I think it's important that people actually start writing tutorials because "code talks; bullshit walks.". A contest may be a good idea, but people can start working before that.

FWIW, I have written this tutorial-of-sorts on how I prepared a "Back to my homepage" logo in Inkscape that emulates the one used on the film "Back to the Future":

http://www.shlomifish.org/art/back-to-my-homepage-2nd-ver/

I licence the final product under the Public Domain , but acknowledge that it may be subject to trademark or copyright claims by the owners of the Back to the Future franchise. I didn't assign a licence to the text of the tutorial itself, but I'm open to suggestions.

I have also used Inkscape to prepare some captions images (a la lolcats) but I'm a little rusty in doing that and it may be too trivial to do.

Regards,

     Shlomi Fish

...

-C

On 25 Aug 2015 3:02 pm, "Alex Valavanis" <valavanisalex@...400...>

wrote:

...

...

We briefly discussed the prospect of adding tutorials on a streaming site at the Hackfest... given the size of the user community, the ad revenue from something like YouTube could be helpful. As for who would do it, I'm not sure!

AV

On 25 August 2015 at 14:53, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> wrote:

...

Dear developers,

I was reviewing inkscape on deviantArt and I noticed a theme:

www.deviantart.com/browse/all/journals/?order=5&q=inkscape

Apart from the odd "I hate Inkscape" etc, there's a big need for tutorials and most are interested in video tutorials.

This is probably something we should put together for the website. Something coherent for users.

But I'm not exactly sure of the structure we should use. A

competition?

...

...

...

Scouting for talent?

What do you think?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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