This would be a good opportunity to pimp another project that
Inkscape's
been participating in, called create.freedesktop.org....
http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
The idea is interoperability; despite our differences, all of us open source graphics tools can be stronger by sharing art resources.
Anyway, put that in your todo list to check out next month or so
when
some of the fires have died down. Long term you'll want XaraExtreme
to
be part of, or at least aware of, those discussions.
Hi Charles...if you or any other xara devs. have questions about the Create Project, you can ask me or join the create mailing list from
the
URL above.
Also, it would be good to dicsuss integration with Open Clip Art
Library
in the near future...its time to build up our community, right!
These are all good things. I have some issues about quality control on OpenClipart, but the principle is great. We will support these as much as we can. Exactly the type of working together that helps everyone.
Charles
On 10/16/05, Charles Moir <CharlesM@...1042...> wrote:
These are all good things. I have some issues about quality control on OpenClipart,
Me too, and I very much hope they will be resolved by implementing voting (and periodically purging the lowest-voted ones) as well as more wiki-like interface where I can easily upload an improved version of the clipart as well as add keywords to find it more easily. Some or all of this is, as far as I know, being planned or implemented; perhaps OpenClipart people might want to comment more.
-- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org
bulia byak wrote:
On 10/16/05, Charles Moir <CharlesM@...1042...> wrote:
These are all good things. I have some issues about quality control on OpenClipart,
Me too, and I very much hope they will be resolved by implementing voting (and periodically purging the lowest-voted ones) as well as more wiki-like interface where I can easily upload an improved version of the clipart as well as add keywords to find it more easily. Some or all of this is, as far as I know, being planned or implemented; perhaps OpenClipart people might want to comment more.
From the beginning the intention was to have ratings, the ability for authors to improve their uploads and for users to edit metadata. For a while Bryce worked on a Document Management System intended to solve all this, but recently he realized the project is going nowhere and abandoned it. AFAIK, the current plan is to reuse a tool made by Creative Commons, probably Rejon can give here some info.
Sure, if anyone step up and start working on a better interface, it will be received with open hands :p
About periodically purging the lowest-voted images, I believe we are *against* this, but *for* providing providing a selection of most-voted.
Charles, OCAL can be a good addition to your commercial offering (as it is Public Domain): you can make a selection with what you like best, package in whatever format and put it on CDROM along with the other extras (the added value being your own selection/QA, packaging, convenience and maybe a browsing/searching interface like http://www.python.org/pypi/clipartbrowser/). Think also about affiliation: OCAL has affiliation with projects like Inkscape and Scribus.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 01:14:08PM +0300, Nicu Buculei (OCAL) wrote:
bulia byak wrote:
On 10/16/05, Charles Moir <CharlesM@...1042...> wrote:
These are all good things. I have some issues about quality control on OpenClipart,
Me too, and I very much hope they will be resolved by implementing voting (and periodically purging the lowest-voted ones) as well as more wiki-like interface where I can easily upload an improved version of the clipart as well as add keywords to find it more easily. Some or all of this is, as far as I know, being planned or implemented; perhaps OpenClipart people might want to comment more.
From the beginning the intention was to have ratings, the ability for authors to improve their uploads and for users to edit metadata. For a while Bryce worked on a Document Management System intended to solve all this, but recently he realized the project is going nowhere and abandoned it. AFAIK, the current plan is to reuse a tool made by Creative Commons, probably Rejon can give here some info.
Sure, if anyone step up and start working on a better interface, it will be received with open hands :p
About periodically purging the lowest-voted images, I believe we are *against* this, but *for* providing providing a selection of most-voted.
Quality can also be very subjective.
One thing I notice is that often the images that look the worst, are quite useful because I as a non-artist can actually get in and fiddle and customize them pretty easily without lousing up the whole image. For example, we have some very beautiful, multi-gradient glowing arrows, but if I need to stretch them a bit for a diagram, or put a turn in, they look like hell; the simpler looking (lower quality) arrows are easier for me to edit.
Anyway, the main reason we don't do QA of the quality of the images currently is simple lack of manpower. Generally one person puts in about one or two weekends a month on cleaning up what's been submitted that month. Most of the QA is focused on filtering out images that are either broken, or that have copyright/trademark issues (unfortunately, there's plenty of work needed for those issues alone).
Regarding voting, I do think that's going to be the best way to go, however we have *so* *many* images in there that I wonder how we can make that work effectively. Any ideas on this?
Bryce
On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 13:14 +0300, Nicu Buculei (OCAL) wrote:
bulia byak wrote:
On 10/16/05, Charles Moir <CharlesM@...1042...> wrote:
These are all good things. I have some issues about quality control on OpenClipart,
Me too, and I very much hope they will be resolved by implementing voting (and periodically purging the lowest-voted ones) as well as more wiki-like interface where I can easily upload an improved version of the clipart as well as add keywords to find it more easily. Some or all of this is, as far as I know, being planned or implemented; perhaps OpenClipart people might want to comment more.
From the beginning the intention was to have ratings, the ability for authors to improve their uploads and for users to edit metadata. For a while Bryce worked on a Document Management System intended to solve all this, but recently he realized the project is going nowhere and abandoned it. AFAIK, the current plan is to reuse a tool made by Creative Commons, probably Rejon can give here some info.
Yes, I'm currently employed by Creative Commons to develop ccHost, which is the open source project that ccmixter.org runs on.
I'm a.) developing the project into a more friendly open source project and b.) developing the code so that it can use more file types. Once ready, it has all of these features that we discuss like reviewing, better searching, releases, contests, etc. Its just a matter of time...
Sure, if anyone step up and start working on a better interface, it will be received with open hands :p
About periodically purging the lowest-voted images, I believe we are *against* this, but *for* providing providing a selection of most-voted.
Yes, never delete a users content. That is the main way trust is built...rather, providing ways to sort through content, offer suggestions, and provide patches for images is the proper way to go IMO.
Charles, OCAL can be a good addition to your commercial offering (as it is Public Domain): you can make a selection with what you like best, package in whatever format and put it on CDROM along with the other extras (the added value being your own selection/QA, packaging, convenience and maybe a browsing/searching interface like http://www.python.org/pypi/clipartbrowser/). Think also about affiliation: OCAL has affiliation with projects like Inkscape and Scribus.
Completely agree. How can we get the ball rolling on this?
Jon
participants (5)
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Bryce Harrington -
bulia byak -
Charles Moir -
Jon Phillips -
Nicu Buculei (OCAL)