Hi all (especially translators),
It appears we're very near the time to do the final release of 0.45, so it would be good for us to schedule when to tag the final official 0.45.0.
If I understand, there are no further code bug fixes planned for this release, but there is still some work related to translations. Is there anything else we are waiting on besides this? E.g., documentation or packaging fixes?
For any remaining work (including translations), can anyone that needs more time please tell me when you plan to be finished? Then we can evaluate when to set the release dates.
Regarding translations, it looks like some string issues have been identified and discussed. It's a little unclear what the status of these are, but I found a bug item where we could collect all of this information for the release:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1645093&gr...
Please, if you know of untranslatable strings, spelling errors, or other such issues that still are not fixed in the release branch, can you please add them to this bug? Even if they cannot be fixed for 0.45.0, we should put priority on fixing them for 0.45.1.
Thanks, Bryce
On 1/29/07, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi all (especially translators),
It appears we're very near the time to do the final release of 0.45, so it would be good for us to schedule when to tag the final official 0.45.0.
If I understand, there are no further code bug fixes planned for this release, but there is still some work related to translations. Is there anything else we are waiting on besides this? E.g., documentation or packaging fixes?
tutorial-tips.xml still says we have no blur. I can fix this, but then we need all translators to update their files appropriately.
Also, there is no sign of original translations of tutorials into Russian, from which SVG files were created. Joshua hasn't answered my email yet.
As for ru.po, translation will be finalized by the end of this week (not much left to do, really).
Alexandre
On 1/29/07, Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:
tutorial-tips.xml still says we have no blur. I can fix this, but then we need all translators to update their files appropriately.
That's no reason not to fix the English one - it's the most widely read one anyway.
On 1/29/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
If I understand, there are no further code bug fixes planned for this release
I know that Mental is working on a fix for Calligraphic tool:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1645940&gr...
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi all (especially translators),
It appears we're very near the time to do the final release of 0.45, so it would be good for us to schedule when to tag the final official 0.45.0.
If I understand, there are no further code bug fixes planned for this release, but there is still some work related to translations. Is there anything else we are waiting on besides this? E.g., documentation or packaging fixes?
Although it is not a bug per se there is/was an option to "Show Close button on dialog" that is unfortunately disabled by default, which defeats the purpose of the Close button. The Gnome HIG recommends including close buttons on dialogs like the Preferences dialog to make things that much clearer for beginners, but if it is off by default Inkscape beginners who it is intended for cannot know to turn it on themselves.
There is an open request for just such functionality so that the Export bitmap dialog might have a Close button: [ 1096715 ] add optional "close" buttons to all dialogs https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1096715&gr... but bizarrely the Export dialog does not get a close button when the feature is enabled. Preferences and Layers both do follow the setting. Text dialog always has a close button, as does the About dialog.
The disadvantage of turning it on is that unfortunately 'dialog' refers to both the bigger transitory dialogs which really should have a close button (and probably a help button too[1]) like Preferences and also to the smaller always open dialogs like the Layers palette which are quite different really no one expects to include an extra close button.
This approach assumes all dialogs are the same but they are not, and always open palette/panel style dialogs can and should be treated differently and not be expected to follow the HIG in the same way an ordinary dialog should.
So I'm asking that the feature be turned on by default[2] so that dialogs like Preferences are not left without a Close button. Later the distinction between palettes and ordinary dialogs can be made clearer and the option would be unnecessary and could possibly be remove. From looking at src/ui/dialog/inkscape-preferences.cpp the file in Subversion in an attempt to provide a simple patch this is no longer where it used to be and it may have been moved/removed already. It was still in the nightly build I grabbed from last week. If it is already fixed well then at least I can get on with closing a few requests.
Thanks in advance
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/alanhorkan http://alanhorkan.livejournal.com/
[1] [ 1504038 ] Close (and Help) button(s) in preferences dialog (HIG) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1504038&gro...
[2] [ 1577253 ] HIG: Show Close buttons on dialogs by default https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1577253&gr...
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 03:41:41PM +0000, Alan Horkan wrote:
Although it is not a bug per se there is/was an option to "Show Close button on dialog" that is unfortunately disabled by default, which defeats the purpose of the Close button. The Gnome HIG recommends including close buttons on dialogs like the Preferences dialog to make things that much clearer for beginners, but if it is off by default Inkscape beginners who it is intended for cannot know to turn it on themselves.
There is an open request for just such functionality so that the Export bitmap dialog might have a Close button: [ 1096715 ] add optional "close" buttons to all dialogs https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1096715&gr...
It's way too late in the game to do anything about this for 0.45.0. Also note that the suggested solution in the RFE from 2005 involves handling it through the gtkmm top level dialog class, but since the Export dialog still hasn't been converted to gtkmm, it's going to require that be done as well. In any case, since it's an RFE not a critical bug, it's not a candidate for the 0.45.* series. However, if you have a patch for it, we could definitely include it in the 0.46 tree. In fact, I bet you have a lot of other ideas that could go towards helping the new gtkmm Dialog class, and I'd be happy to answer questions about it if you'd like to do some hacking on it.
Bryce
but bizarrely the Export dialog does not get a close button when the feature is enabled. Preferences and Layers both do follow the setting. Text dialog always has a close button, as does the About dialog.
The disadvantage of turning it on is that unfortunately 'dialog' refers to both the bigger transitory dialogs which really should have a close button (and probably a help button too[1]) like Preferences and also to the smaller always open dialogs like the Layers palette which are quite different really no one expects to include an extra close button.
This approach assumes all dialogs are the same but they are not, and always open palette/panel style dialogs can and should be treated differently and not be expected to follow the HIG in the same way an ordinary dialog should.
So I'm asking that the feature be turned on by default[2] so that dialogs like Preferences are not left without a Close button. Later the distinction between palettes and ordinary dialogs can be made clearer and the option would be unnecessary and could possibly be remove. From looking at src/ui/dialog/inkscape-preferences.cpp the file in Subversion in an attempt to provide a simple patch this is no longer where it used to be and it may have been moved/removed already. It was still in the nightly build I grabbed from last week. If it is already fixed well then at least I can get on with closing a few requests.
Thanks in advance
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/alanhorkan http://alanhorkan.livejournal.com/
[1] [ 1504038 ] Close (and Help) button(s) in preferences dialog (HIG) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1504038&gro...
[2] [ 1577253 ] HIG: Show Close buttons on dialogs by default https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1577253&gr...
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:26:53 -0800 From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Close buttons [was Re: [Inkscape-devel] Scheduling of 0.45 final?]
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 03:41:41PM +0000, Alan Horkan wrote:
Although it is not a bug per se there is/was an option to "Show Close button on dialog" that is unfortunately disabled by default, which defeats the purpose of the Close button. The Gnome HIG recommends including close buttons on dialogs like the Preferences dialog to make things that much clearer for beginners, but if it is off by default Inkscape beginners who it is intended for cannot know to turn it on themselves.
There is an open request for just such functionality so that the Export bitmap dialog might have a Close button: [ 1096715 ] add optional "close" buttons to all dialogs https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1096715&gr...
It's way too late in the game to do anything about this for 0.45.0.
My intention was that for now the setting be switched on by default, which should only be a one liner (and I would have included a patch with my previous comment only the feature seems to have moved) as a change that small shouldn't be a problem to slip in even at this late stage. Sure there would be quite a bit more needed to be done after that but the rest could wait.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 05:09:58PM +0000, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:26:53 -0800 From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Close buttons [was Re: [Inkscape-devel] Scheduling of 0.45 final?]
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 03:41:41PM +0000, Alan Horkan wrote:
Although it is not a bug per se there is/was an option to "Show Close button on dialog" that is unfortunately disabled by default, which defeats the purpose of the Close button. The Gnome HIG recommends including close buttons on dialogs like the Preferences dialog to make things that much clearer for beginners, but if it is off by default Inkscape beginners who it is intended for cannot know to turn it on themselves.
There is an open request for just such functionality so that the Export bitmap dialog might have a Close button: [ 1096715 ] add optional "close" buttons to all dialogs https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1096715&gr...
It's way too late in the game to do anything about this for 0.45.0.
My intention was that for now the setting be switched on by default, which should only be a one liner (and I would have included a patch with my previous comment only the feature seems to have moved) as a change that small shouldn't be a problem to slip in even at this late stage. Sure there would be quite a bit more needed to be done after that but the rest could wait.
Okay, send the patch and Aaron and I will consider it for inclusion. I'll need it ASAP though if you want it in for 0.45.0.
Bryce
From what alans saying it sounds like it does unwanted things to the
layers dialog etc, which are not something we want to mess up by default. If this was so significant, it needed raising a long time ago so the kinks could be ironed out.
On 1/31/07, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 05:09:58PM +0000, Alan Horkan wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:26:53 -0800 From: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> Cc: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Close buttons [was Re: [Inkscape-devel] Scheduling of 0.45 final?]
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 03:41:41PM +0000, Alan Horkan wrote:
Although it is not a bug per se there is/was an option to "Show Close button on dialog" that is unfortunately disabled by default, which defeats the purpose of the Close button. The Gnome HIG recommends including close buttons on dialogs like the Preferences dialog to make things that much clearer for beginners, but if it is off by default Inkscape beginners who it is intended for cannot know to turn it on themselves.
There is an open request for just such functionality so that the Export bitmap dialog might have a Close button: [ 1096715 ] add optional "close" buttons to all dialogs https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1096715&gr...
It's way too late in the game to do anything about this for 0.45.0.
My intention was that for now the setting be switched on by default, which should only be a one liner (and I would have included a patch with my previous comment only the feature seems to have moved) as a change that small shouldn't be a problem to slip in even at this late stage. Sure there would be quite a bit more needed to be done after that but the rest could wait.
Okay, send the patch and Aaron and I will consider it for inclusion. I'll need it ASAP though if you want it in for 0.45.0.
Bryce
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On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 11:11:41PM +0000, john cliff wrote:
From what alans saying it sounds like it does unwanted things to the
layers dialog etc, which are not something we want to mess up by default. If this was so significant, it needed raising a long time ago so the kinks could be ironed out.
Okay, thanks. Patches that do not have concensus behind them should be put onto the devel branch, not the release branch.
Bryce
Bryce,
Bryce Harrington wrote: ...
If I understand, there are no further code bug fixes planned for this release, but there is still some work related to translations. Is there anything else we are waiting on besides this? E.g., documentation or packaging fixes?
1. As I wrote after the 0.45 pre0 there a files missing to build on win32 properly from the the tar.gz : -buildtool.cpp and build.xml (using new buildsystem) or -src\deptool.cpp running the makefile system 2. Also there is a need for a small fix in the win32 packaging script (one file missing).
I will come up with patches for that later the day when I am back home.
Adib. ---
For any remaining work (including translations), can anyone that needs more time please tell me when you plan to be finished? Then we can evaluate when to set the release dates.
Regarding translations, it looks like some string issues have been identified and discussed. It's a little unclear what the status of these are, but I found a bug item where we could collect all of this information for the release:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1645093&gr...
Please, if you know of untranslatable strings, spelling errors, or other such issues that still are not fixed in the release branch, can you please add them to this bug? Even if they cannot be fixed for 0.45.0, we should put priority on fixing them for 0.45.1.
Thanks, Bryce
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 04:54:25PM +0100, Adib Taraben wrote:
Bryce,
Bryce Harrington wrote: ...
If I understand, there are no further code bug fixes planned for this release, but there is still some work related to translations. Is there anything else we are waiting on besides this? E.g., documentation or packaging fixes?
- As I wrote after the 0.45 pre0 there a files missing to build on
win32 properly from the the tar.gz : -buildtool.cpp and build.xml (using new buildsystem) or -src\deptool.cpp running the makefile system 2. Also there is a need for a small fix in the win32 packaging script (one file missing).
I will come up with patches for that later the day when I am back home.
Thanks, please send the patches as soon as possible. I understand the packaging also is currently excluding some files needed for inkboard, so I'm going to look into that as well.
I think it's clear we're going to need another pre3 before the final release, hopefully within a day or so.
Anything else missing?
Bryce
here the patch.
I have problems now to login to SF (patch tracker).
Adib. --- Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 04:54:25PM +0100, Adib Taraben wrote:
Bryce,
Bryce Harrington wrote: ...
If I understand, there are no further code bug fixes planned for this release, but there is still some work related to translations. Is there anything else we are waiting on besides this? E.g., documentation or packaging fixes?
- As I wrote after the 0.45 pre0 there a files missing to build on
win32 properly from the the tar.gz : -buildtool.cpp and build.xml (using new buildsystem) or -src\deptool.cpp running the makefile system 2. Also there is a need for a small fix in the win32 packaging script (one file missing).
I will come up with patches for that later the day when I am back home.
Thanks, please send the patches as soon as possible. I understand the packaging also is currently excluding some files needed for inkboard, so I'm going to look into that as well.
I think it's clear we're going to need another pre3 before the final release, hopefully within a day or so.
Anything else missing?
Bryce
Index: packaging/win32/inkscape.nsi =================================================================== --- packaging/win32/inkscape.nsi (Revision 13933) +++ packaging/win32/inkscape.nsi (Arbeitskopie) @@ -406,7 +406,7 @@ File /nonfatal /a /r "....\inkscape\lib\locale${polng}" ; the keyboard tables SetOutPath $INSTDIR\share\screens - File /nonfatal /a /r "....\inkscape\share\screens\keys.${polng}.svg" + File /nonfatal /a /r "....\inkscape\share\screens*.${polng}.svg" SetOutPath $INSTDIR\share\templates File /nonfatal /a /r "....\inkscape\share\templates\default.${polng}.svg" SetOutPath $INSTDIR\doc Index: Makefile.am =================================================================== --- Makefile.am (Revision 13933) +++ Makefile.am (Arbeitskopie) @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ Info.plist.in \ Info.plist \ inkscape.nsi \ - config.h.mingw Makefile.mingw Makefile.mingw.common mingwenv.bat \ + config.h.mingw Makefile.mingw Makefile.mingw.common mingwenv.bat buildtool.cpp build.xml \ README README.ca.txt README.de.txt README.es.txt README.fr.txt README.it.txt \ HACKING.txt HACKING.de.txt HACKING.fr.txt HACKING.it.txt \ TRANSLATORS \
Applied, thanks.
Bryce
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 10:16:31PM +0100, Adib Taraben wrote:
here the patch.
I have problems now to login to SF (patch tracker).
Adib.
Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 04:54:25PM +0100, Adib Taraben wrote:
Bryce,
Bryce Harrington wrote: ...
If I understand, there are no further code bug fixes planned for this release, but there is still some work related to translations. Is there anything else we are waiting on besides this? E.g., documentation or packaging fixes?
- As I wrote after the 0.45 pre0 there a files missing to build on
win32 properly from the the tar.gz : -buildtool.cpp and build.xml (using new buildsystem) or -src\deptool.cpp running the makefile system 2. Also there is a need for a small fix in the win32 packaging script (one file missing).
I will come up with patches for that later the day when I am back home.
Thanks, please send the patches as soon as possible. I understand the packaging also is currently excluding some files needed for inkboard, so I'm going to look into that as well.
I think it's clear we're going to need another pre3 before the final release, hopefully within a day or so.
Anything else missing?
Bryce
Index: packaging/win32/inkscape.nsi
--- packaging/win32/inkscape.nsi (Revision 13933) +++ packaging/win32/inkscape.nsi (Arbeitskopie) @@ -406,7 +406,7 @@ File /nonfatal /a /r "....\inkscape\lib\locale${polng}" ; the keyboard tables SetOutPath $INSTDIR\share\screens
- File /nonfatal /a /r "....\inkscape\share\screens\keys.${polng}.svg"
- File /nonfatal /a /r "....\inkscape\share\screens*.${polng}.svg" SetOutPath $INSTDIR\share\templates File /nonfatal /a /r "....\inkscape\share\templates\default.${polng}.svg" SetOutPath $INSTDIR\doc
Index: Makefile.am
--- Makefile.am (Revision 13933) +++ Makefile.am (Arbeitskopie) @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ Info.plist.in \ Info.plist \ inkscape.nsi \
- config.h.mingw Makefile.mingw Makefile.mingw.common mingwenv.bat \
- config.h.mingw Makefile.mingw Makefile.mingw.common mingwenv.bat buildtool.cpp build.xml \ README README.ca.txt README.de.txt README.es.txt README.fr.txt README.it.txt \ HACKING.txt HACKING.de.txt HACKING.fr.txt HACKING.it.txt \ TRANSLATORS \
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Alexandre Prokoudine -
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bulia byak -
john cliff