Translations and Shortcuts with ALT+something
Hello,
there is this shortcut for ie. ALT+D to get the clone.
But ALT+D ist also in the Menu the mostleft item <File> wich is in German <Datei>.
There are two possibilities: 1. change the shortcut for the function in the translated language 2. change the translation of the menu iten so it becomes an other shortcut
but 1. I donot feel confident as the shortcuts are across all translations the same no learning needed 2. specially this menu point has a very common translation, an other word would sound strange there
How to proceed ?
Thanks,
Adib.
On 6/7/05, Taraben, Adib <taraben.a@...50...> wrote:
There are two possibilities:
- change the shortcut for the function in the translated language
- change the translation of the menu iten so it becomes an other shortcut
3. Wait until we have keyboard user-definable shortcuts (or implement them if you can't wait :), and provide a different map file for each language, to avoid such conflicts.
On 6/7/05, bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> wrote:
On 6/7/05, Taraben, Adib <taraben.a@...50...> wrote:
There are two possibilities:
- change the shortcut for the function in the translated language
- change the translation of the menu iten so it becomes an other shortcut
- Wait until we have keyboard user-definable shortcuts (or implement
them if you can't wait :), and provide a different map file for each language, to avoid such conflicts.
Looks like we are trying to forget that gtk allows assigning hotkeys by just selection menu item and stroking keys :)
Alexandre
On 6/7/05, Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:
On 6/7/05, bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> wrote:
On 6/7/05, Taraben, Adib <taraben.a@...50...> wrote:
There are two possibilities:
- change the shortcut for the function in the translated language
- change the translation of the menu iten so it becomes an other shortcut
- Wait until we have keyboard user-definable shortcuts (or implement
them if you can't wait :), and provide a different map file for each language, to avoid such conflicts.
Looks like we are trying to forget that gtk allows assigning hotkeys by just selection menu item and stroking keys :)
This never worked in Inkscape (nor in Sodipodi, for that matter).
On 6/7/05, bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> wrote:
Looks like we are trying to forget that gtk allows assigning hotkeys by just selection menu item and stroking keys :)
This never worked in Inkscape (nor in Sodipodi, for that matter).
Are they switched off explicitely?
Alexandre
On 6/7/05, Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:
Are they switched off explicitely?
No. Just not enabled. I have no idea what it takes to enable them, but in any case we have our own verbs/shortcuts system which may or may not be easy to interface with this facility.
On 6/7/05, bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> wrote:
On 6/7/05, Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:
Are they switched off explicitely?
No. Just not enabled. I have no idea what it takes to enable them,
http://gtweakui.sourceforge.net/ is your friend :)
Alexandre
Quoting bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...>:
On 6/7/05, Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:
Are they switched off explicitely?
No. Just not enabled. I have no idea what it takes to enable them, but in any case we have our own verbs/shortcuts system which may or may not be easy to interface with this facility.
It used to work in Sodipodi (though the custom bindings never got saved between sessions), but was basically entirely disabled when the "new" (prior to the fork) verb system was introduced.
It would take quite a bit of work to get those GTK facilities working again, and it would probably be less work to just switch to using the native GTK "verb system" (GtkAction, IIRC) instead.
Of course GtkAction does lack some nicities we've hacked on ourselves since the fork -- we'd have to see whether those could be preserved in such a switch.
-mental
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 11:38 -0400, mental@...3... wrote:
Quoting bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...>:
On 6/7/05, Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...400...> wrote:
Are they switched off explicitely?
No. Just not enabled. I have no idea what it takes to enable them, but in any case we have our own verbs/shortcuts system which may or may not be easy to interface with this facility.
It used to work in Sodipodi (though the custom bindings never got saved between sessions), but was basically entirely disabled when the "new" (prior to the fork) verb system was introduced.
It would take quite a bit of work to get those GTK facilities working again, and it would probably be less work to just switch to using the native GTK "verb system" (GtkAction, IIRC) instead.
Of course GtkAction does lack some nicities we've hacked on ourselves since the fork -- we'd have to see whether those could be preserved in such a switch.
Hi Inkscapers! I just want to point out the gtk dynamic shortcut binding system caused a lot of pain in GIMP with regard to mnemonic keys. At some cases a shortcut would get assigned while the user just intended to use a mnemonic. Dynamic shortcuts also make it very easy to discard existing shortcut without giving an undo option. The inability to have both at the same time resulted in that behavior to be a preference setting (eek!) and a separate menu shortcut editor in the end.
While I really liked the concept at first, mnemonics are really useful to overcome the problem of having only a limited combinations for shortcuts. If I had to make a decision, I prefer mnemonics.
cheers
On 6/7/05, Jakub Steiner <jimmac@...659...> wrote:
While I really liked the concept at first, mnemonics are really useful to overcome the problem of having only a limited combinations for shortcuts. If I had to make a decision, I prefer mnemonics.
I think I agree with that. I didn't use that system a lot in Gimp but it always seemed quite weird to me.
On 6/7/05, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 11:38:32AM -0400, mental@...3... wrote:
Of course GtkAction does lack some nicities we've hacked on ourselves since the fork -- we'd have to see whether those could be preserved in such a switch.
Do you know offhand what those features are?
I think the more important question is not whether it will preserve what we have, but rather, whether it will add something really good which we don't have (and can't easily add). If it won't, the incentive to switch will be very small, and it will likely become another lingering never-finished project that only increases the enthropy in the codebase.
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 06:39:56PM -0300, bulia byak wrote:
On 6/7/05, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 11:38:32AM -0400, mental@...3... wrote:
Of course GtkAction does lack some nicities we've hacked on ourselves since the fork -- we'd have to see whether those could be preserved in such a switch.
Do you know offhand what those features are?
I think the more important question is not whether it will preserve what we have, but rather, whether it will add something really good which we don't have (and can't easily add). If it won't, the incentive to switch will be very small, and it will likely become another lingering never-finished project that only increases the enthropy in the codebase.
My opinion is that it isn't worth switching to until SPDesktop is converted to gtkmm (which looks like a pretty sizeable project). It does have some new capabilities that could not be implemented with the verb system, but it would take additional work to take advantage of those things anyway. The main advantage to the system is that it's the standard way to do things.
The GAction stuff is actually very straightforward coding, and Jizzbug and I got it all pretty much completed. It would need to be brought up to date with changes to shortcuts introduced since it was coded, but that would probably only take an hour or two to do. The problem is just that it depends on SPDesktop being converted over to gtkmm.
Bryce
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