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Vardenis, I think it would be ok to make some simple updates to that page. Because I don't want to start on the uploading process (search for tutorials, contact authors, review tutorial, tag, upload) until we get the forum issue finally settled. And at this point, who knows when that's going to happen. But since anyone can do it, Vardenis, maybe you would want to help on this project, instead of updating the Video Tutorials page? Maybe you can pick out what you think are the best video tutorials, and "upload the links" yourself? (One of us can show you how, if you need help.) You wouldn't have to take on the whole thing yourself. Maybe just a few or several that you think are "must have". Whatever you have time for. I guess it would be polite to contact the authors? Also, don't forget vimeo. There are a couple of really good tutorial authors there. Use my page to help find them, if you like. Also, please tag them well. I would probably tag the main tools that are used in the video. If the video produces a particular image, as its main goal (as opposed to teaching a technique) put that in a tag too, such as "shiny button", "extruded text", "wireframe globe", etc. If it's a technique, tag that (for example, "pattern along path" or "interpolate", etc.). And of course tag "video". That's assuming it's allowed to have 2 words in a single tag?
Everyone,
-- I would suggest that whoever uploads the video should have watched it all the way through. Sometimes a video gets uploaded (to YT or vimeo) which is broken - either the video or the sound craps out halfway through, for example. Or sometimes they're just poor quality video or sound. -- I would suggest there not be any very confusing sections, sections that go too fast, or that gives incorrect information. -- I would suggest Not to upload videos with only music in the background. There are SO many videos (and text tutorials) around by now, that we can easily afford to be picky, and still have more than we can use. Narration definitely preferred. Note that jabiertxo would be an exception :-D (-- I would like to add a note to all of Nick Soporito's that what he routinely calls "The Arrow Tool" is really the Selection Tool. But I'm not sure if that would be too much work. I've even mentioned it to him, but he's not willing to change.)
Should we discuss and post guidelines for tutorials that we want to....I can't think of the right word? Not exactly "bless", but we're essentially recommending or approving them. And it seems like if anyone can load anyone else's tutorials, there should be some kind of quality control. When I was thinking of doing it, all that stuff is already in my mind. But if all kinds of people will do it, I wonder if there should be some guidelines? Either that, or new ones will need to be moderated (by a moderator watching or reading the whole thing, judging its quality, and possibly tagging). And it seems like the person who uploads it should bear that burden. Moderators will already have a lot of work to do, and watching new videos will take more time.
I wonder if it might be better for 1 person to be responsible for judging the skill level (beginner, intermediate, advanced)? Because people are going to be all over the place with that, and I fear that those ratings will quickly become useless (if they aren't consistent).
I'm not sure if there will be some kind of limit on the number of videos, or tutorials in general?
So if I'm understanding how it works better, the only difference between clicking on a text link, and clicking on a video in the gallery, is that it can possibly have a thumbnail image in the gallery? (Oh! When contacting the author, I would ask if they want to provide a thumbnail.) So that's why there's no copyright issue. We aren't actually uploading their videos. Instead, we're....well, it would be sort of hotlinking, except for YT does allow that, since they even provide the embedding code themselves. Well, something still feels weird about this kind of routine. I assume it takes more resources - bandwidth, space, cpu or other? to do it using the gallery, than just a simple text link. I guess I'm just old fashioned. I'd rather see nicely organized text, lists or table, where potentially hundreds of tutorials can be linked on one page. The visitor can quickly scan the page for the category they need. Rather than a gallery entry, where you can only see....what is it, 20 at once. And you have to search for your catagory, where if you don't already know the terminology of what you're looking for, you won't be very successful finding it. And the website speed.....well, I hope we get more space sooner than later.
If and when we get more server space, could we host our own video tutorials? Or is it never in the plans? I think it would make the website even better. (And of course, not depending on other websites for content is a plus.)
Thanks, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:44 AM To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; Martin Owens ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Hello, Matin Owens said: "Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is." and he doing website improvements. So, maybe just wait and don't update if really this page change form from current form to new form. Lessons list can be created easily, if something agrees with my suggestion, but if the page really change whether it's worth it to build?
11.01.2017, 05:22, "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...>:
Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn:
I think that page may need to exist into the future. Not all video authors will want to go to the trouble to upload their....links. And having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best ones, which are not in the gallery.
- Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We could have a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate 'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they like best, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpful for others...
Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text Tutorials page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section. Maybe - just a thought.
- I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it's just causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparison to a gallery page (for me).
As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at.
Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well? vimeo, e.g.
- All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Other providers can be added as needed.
Regards, Maren
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:37 PM To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote: Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a proper solution to the problem... We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't like to see it repeated.
Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like, and mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.
I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get links added correctly.
Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is.
But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with positive review.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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