Great. :-) I'm made simple ideas how to layout list of tutorials in here: https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10565/
Brynn, it's good for you after full list is done? Maybe anyone comments about layout, ideas? :-)
Thanks. ;-)


04.01.2017, 00:55, "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...>:

Am 03.01.2017 um 23:50 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis:

 I'm thinking now about just editing this list, but Marten idea too
 wonderful, but it's hard to achieve, but I try to contact some authors
 of videos to upload videos in inkscape.org too.
 Make list is a lot easer I think, and sure I can try (if it good, some
 edit and update), about list I'm thinking first of all "Inkscape
 Explained"
 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC)>)
 it's must know for all beginners(IMO), then some videos from beginner,
 intermediate, logo design. how to draw from Sid Arts, game art/animation
 from Chris Hildenbrand and if I found from others and paste (pastebin)
 in here in format:
 Author AuthorChannelUrl
 with narration
 VideoUrl
 VideoDescription

 I'm think I can do that (beta. :-))) in few days or less. Deal?


- Sounds wonderful to me :) I'm happy with any kind of update.

If you like, you can already have a think about how you would layout the
page. Brynn is right about the nested lists being not easy to look at.

Regards,
 Maren

 04.01.2017, 00:37, "brynn" <brynn@...78...>:

 So now you don't want to edit Video Tutorials page? Just so I'm clear
 what's
 happening.

 Thanks,
 brynn

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Vardenis Pavardenis
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:22 PM
 To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
 <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


 I Agree, it's better to contact to video authors and if authors agree
 to upload
 videos in website it would be wonderful and as Maren said in page Top
 10 or
 something. Than i try to contact YouTubers who create videos and
 request that
 they upload too videos in inkscape.org website. :-)


 04.01.2017, 00:07, "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...
 <mailto:maren@...68...>>:


 Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn:


 I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance
 to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for
 extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site. But
 again, that's not something I can start on right away.



 - But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if he
 might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead of
 a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we still
 want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field is
 still open, no decision was made).



 But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little
 more current, and look better too. I'm not sure where all those bullets
 came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago)

 But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.



 - He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for the
 switch, not sure.

 Maren



 Thanks

 -----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM
 To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
 <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

 Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn:
 I'm so confused! We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials
 page. But
 now we are putting them in the gallery?

 - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page
 entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as
 well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination,
 commenting ...

 I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new
 videos to be added by their creators.

 But maybe that would be going too far?

 Regards,
 Maren

 -----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM
 To: brynn
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


 https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin,
 External
 Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand.


 03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <brynn@...78... <mailto:brynn@...78...>>:


 I don't understand what this means:



 - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.



 Thanks

 -----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM
 To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
 <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

 Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:


 Hi Vardenis,
           I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be
 better
 not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they
 already
 are
 mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/).
 However,
 you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right
 column,
 where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?
           Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not
 put such a
 tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as
 if there
 were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video
 tutorials?



 - Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The
 tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the
 extensions.

 (I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)


           But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's
 asking to
 have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.



 - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will
 work automatically.



 I haven't ever done that
 before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like.
           I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because
 I know
 they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look
 like.
 I'll do it in just a few minutes.
           But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and
 embedding it.
 Are
 all YT videos automatically public domain?



 - Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.

 Regards,
 Maren




 Thanks,
 brynn

 -----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM
 To: brynn
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


 I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials)
 and
 don't
 upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section
 (current
 video
 tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text
 based than
 videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials
 category
 (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of
 a mess
 and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you
 thinks?

 Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks.


 03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" <brynn@...78... <mailto:brynn@...78...>>:


 First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher.
 Is there
 no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?

 Thanks,
 brynn

 -----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
 To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
 Cc: Inkscape-Docs
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

 Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
 the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
 add text and other important information like the license (if there is
 one).

 This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
 gallery widgets.

 Martin,

 On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:


 No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of
 tutorials, with a
 link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page
 needs some
 attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be
 organized
 like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.

 Thanks for your help,
 brynn

 -----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
 To: brynn
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
 website


 No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with
 me). I'm not
 editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section,
 and I'm
 thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be
 more
 helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
 I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the
 current with
 new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)


 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <brynn@...78... <mailto:brynn@...78...>>:


 Hi Vardenis,
            Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of
 Inkscape
 tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he
 first
 started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he
 ALWAYS
 calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned
 it, he still
 keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think
 they are
 helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users.
            Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I
 think only a
 few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes,
 very good!
            I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check
 it out.
            Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials
 page more
 current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you
 are
 going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape
 project, and
 edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.

 All best,
 brynn

 -----Original Message----- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM
 To: brynn
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
 website


 Hello, Brynn,
 Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with
 your website
 and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section
 in website,
 Thanks for you help. ;-)
 I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick
 Saporito
 (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists),
 he have
 playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner
 Tutorials,
 Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface
 Tutorials, Inkscape
 Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in
 Inkscape,
 too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials(
 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists )
 for game
 art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless
 patterns, too in
 channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape
 And Drawing
 have interesting tutorials
 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Y
 bkhs).

 I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more modern and
 more
 interest.

 What do you thinks about that?

 Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-)


 02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" <brynn@...78... <mailto:brynn@...78...>>:


 I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list of what
 I consider
 the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't contain
 any errors
 or outdated steps) on my website: https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com
 <https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/>
 /index.php
 It's probably about 6 months out of date, right now. But I'll make it
 current
 pretty soon.

 I have a plan to bring them all over to the website, eventually, but
 can't start
 on it until I finish with other projects first. But I'd be glad to
 help you, if
 you wanted or needed it.

 One thing which could probably be done right away, is to put a link
 on that
 page, to this page https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/. They
 aren't all
 video tutorials, but those that are, are certainly more current.

 Maybe I'll add a note on that page, with the link, and also asking
 for
 volunteers. (I wonder if Victor would be interested, too? I know he's
 looking
 to help out.)

 All best,
 brynn

 -----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:01 AM
 To: Vardenis Pavardenis ; inkscape-docs
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
 website

 On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 18:30 +0200, Vardenis Pavardenis wrote:


 Hello,
 "Video Tutorials" section in website is very, very old. Videos in
 this section is about from 2007 years. I don't say these tutorials is
 bad, but maybe is better to replace these tutorials to newer (video
 quality low, etc.) or redesign this section in website (Because is
 hard to share all new tutorial's, and I'm think most people searching
 in YouTube or something like Vimeo) ?
 In YouTube and Vimeo there are many who create Inkscape video
 tutorials.



 I believe the job of Video Tutorial curator is available if you'd
 like
 to have a go.

 The first thing to do is to think about what's out there, maybe make
 a
 list of all the really great stuff, then think about how you'd put it
 together on a website.

 Sound like fun?

 Best Regards, Martin Owens
 Website Administrator



 Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks, I'm post this only for
 discussion. :-)
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