where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Hi Martin and Friends, The last link on the Books and Manuals page has recently come to my attention, which is neither a book or a manual: http://www.learnsvg.com/. Maren and I were discussing it, and thought we might need to put the question to the devel list. But I thought well let's ask Martin first. My first thought was to just drop it from the website, being about much more advanced use of SVG than most Inkscape users would be interested in. My second thought was to add another section to the Learn page, with links to info like that (because I have a few more links to info on SVG coding (including for animation, on my site, that could be used here). Or if not on the Learn page, a new page for Learn menu, although I'm not sure if there's enough info for a whole new page. Another one of our thoughts, was add the link to the About SVG section of developer faq on the wiki. And I think we're pretty open for other suggestions, as well. The only thing I am sure of, is that it probably does not belong on the Books and Manuals page :-) Thoughts, suggestions?
Thanks, brynn
A section dedicated towards svg topics would be appropriate. We claim to be a an svg editor, not just an editor that uses svg.
But it's also useful to make it separate from normal tutorials and help. It's not really advanced, but it is super technical.
Do we have an SVG section for Developers? It'd be good for there with any other svg related text?
Martin,
On 22 February 2015 at 22:34, Brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote:
Hi Martin and Friends, The last link on the Books and Manuals page has recently come to my attention, which is neither a book or a manual: http://www.learnsvg.com/. Maren and I were discussing it, and thought we might need to put the question to the devel list. But I thought well let's ask Martin first. My first thought was to just drop it from the website, being about much more advanced use of SVG than most Inkscape users would be interested in. My second thought was to add another section to the Learn page, with links to info like that (because I have a few more links to info on SVG coding (including for animation, on my site, that could be used here). Or if not on the Learn page, a new page for Learn menu, although I'm not sure if there's enough info for a whole new page. Another one of our thoughts, was add the link to the About SVG section of developer faq on the wiki. And I think we're pretty open for other suggestions, as well. The only thing I am sure of, is that it probably does not belong on the Books and Manuals page :-) Thoughts, suggestions?
Thanks, brynn
We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And the other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would inspire some developers to fill it in?
Maybe there's something on the wiki, about how to use the XML/SVG editor, that could be used for such a page? I'm not very familiar with wiki content. And except for this and a couple more links....well, maybe a couple of pages from the manual can be linked in. But I don't know what else would go on this page. Maren asked me to handle this, and while I'm always glad to help if I can, I'm probably not the best person to do this. I could do some searching, and maybe collect a few more links. But organizing it into a meaningful page will be quite challenging for me, and not a challenge in which I expect I could be very successful.
I'll start on this project, and let you know when I've gone as far as I can. Then maybe someone else can pick up on it :-)
Thanks, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...2...> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 6:07 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...> Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
A section dedicated towards svg topics would be appropriate. We claim to be a an svg editor, not just an editor that uses svg.
But it's also useful to make it separate from normal tutorials and help. It's not really advanced, but it is super technical.
Do we have an SVG section for Developers? It'd be good for there with any other svg related text?
Martin,
On 22 February 2015 at 22:34, Brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote:
Hi Martin and Friends, The last link on the Books and Manuals page has recently come to my attention, which is neither a book or a manual: http://www.learnsvg.com/. Maren and I were discussing it, and thought we might need to put the question to the devel list. But I thought well let's ask Martin first. My first thought was to just drop it from the website, being about much more advanced use of SVG than most Inkscape users would be interested in. My second thought was to add another section to the Learn page, with links to info like that (because I have a few more links to info on SVG coding (including for animation, on my site, that could be used here). Or if not on the Learn page, a new page for Learn menu, although I'm not sure if there's enough info for a whole new page. Another one of our thoughts, was add the link to the About SVG section of developer faq on the wiki. And I think we're pretty open for other suggestions, as well. The only thing I am sure of, is that it probably does not belong on the Books and Manuals page :-) Thoughts, suggestions?
Thanks, brynn
Hi Brynn,
so a sub-page for 'Develop' with the title 'About SVG' ? Sounds good to me.
I'll help, of course! - Although I'm probably not much more qualified here than you are ;)
W3C links to specs should be included, in any case. I think I could make up an intro text for this.
Regards, Maren
Am 23.02.2015 um 23:09 schrieb Brynn:
We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And the other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would
inspire
some developers to fill it in?
Maybe there's something on the wiki, about how to use the XML/SVG editor, that could be used for such a page? I'm not very familiar with wiki content. And except for this and a couple more links....well, maybe a couple of pages from the manual can be linked in. But I don't know what else would go on this page. Maren asked me to handle this, and while
I'm
always glad to help if I can, I'm probably not the best person to do
this.
I could do some searching, and maybe collect a few more links. But organizing it into a meaningful page will be quite challenging for me,
and
not a challenge in which I expect I could be very successful.
I'll start on this project, and let you know when I've gone as far as
I can.
Then maybe someone else can pick up on it :-)
Thanks, brynn
From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...2...> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 6:07 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...> Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
A section dedicated towards svg topics would be appropriate. We claim to be a an svg editor, not just an editor that uses svg.
But it's also useful to make it separate from normal tutorials and help. It's not really advanced, but it is super technical.
Do we have an SVG section for Developers? It'd be good for there with any other svg related text?
Martin,
On 22 February 2015 at 22:34, Brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote:
Hi Martin and Friends, The last link on the Books and Manuals page has recently come to my attention, which is neither a book or a manual: http://www.learnsvg.com/. Maren and I were discussing it, and thought we might need to put the question to the devel list. But I thought well let's ask Martin first. My first thought was to just drop it from the website, being
about
much more advanced use of SVG than most Inkscape users would be interested in. My second thought was to add another section to the Learn page,
with
links to info like that (because I have a few more links to info on SVG coding (including for animation, on my site, that could be used here). Or if not on the Learn page, a new page for Learn menu, although I'm not sure if there's enough info for a whole new page. Another one of our thoughts, was add the link to the About SVG section of developer faq on the wiki. And I think we're pretty open for other suggestions, as
well. The
only thing I am sure of, is that it probably does not belong on the
Books
and Manuals page :-) Thoughts, suggestions?
Thanks, brynn
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On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And the other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would inspire some developers to fill it in?
This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
Thanks for your hard work :-)
Martin,
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And the other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would inspire some developers to fill it in?
This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
This should fit in well with our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.
One thing to keep in mind though is ensuring the page gets proper maintenance going forward; technical stuff bitrots quickly on the web, and 3rd party links especially.
Bryce
I'll be sure to keep an eye on those, along with the others on the Around the Internet page (the outside "galleries" page), Community (forums), as well as Tutorials, if that page ever gets going. (And maybe 1 or 2 in the new FAQ.)
Bryce, when you say "....our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support." do you mean using SVG 2 on the website, or do you mean reporting about how Inkscape implements SVG 2?
Thanks for explaining. My brains starts to glaze over when the subject of 'specifications' comes up 8-)
brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryce Harrington" <bryce@...84...> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:05 AM To: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...2...> Cc: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And the other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would inspire some developers to fill it in?
This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
This should fit in well with our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.
One thing to keep in mind though is ensuring the page gets proper maintenance going forward; technical stuff bitrots quickly on the web, and 3rd party links especially.
Bryce
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 01:50:31AM -0700, Brynn wrote:
I'll be sure to keep an eye on those, along with the others on the Around the Internet page (the outside "galleries" page), Community (forums), as well as Tutorials, if that page ever gets going. (And maybe 1 or 2 in the new FAQ.)
Bryce, when you say "....our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support." do you mean using SVG 2 on the website, or do you mean reporting about how Inkscape implements SVG 2?
The former would be spiffy, but what I meant was the latter.
And more specifically, as SVG 2 is still muchly a work in progress, the website could serve a good purpose by providing links to SVG 2 references and examples, and explaining work needed in inkscape to implement the same. This is an area Tav is very passionate about, and he might be able to supply you with a lot of information.
Thanks for explaining. My brains starts to glaze over when the subject of 'specifications' comes up 8-)
I know. :-) They're quite important though!
Bryce
brynn
From: "Bryce Harrington" <bryce@...84...> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:05 AM To: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...2...> Cc: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And the other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would inspire some developers to fill it in?
This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
This should fit in well with our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.
One thing to keep in mind though is ensuring the page gets proper maintenance going forward; technical stuff bitrots quickly on the web, and 3rd party links especially.
Bryce
In light of "....our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support." which will be discussing how Inkscape uses SVG 2, maybe we should re-think where to put such a new page.
I had the impression we were thinking about having it in the Develop menu, because mostly developers would be interested. But I was still thinking it should go in Learn, because it would not be strictly limited to interest by developers.
But if it will also include info about how Inkscape uses SVG 2 (in the future) maybe that will help determine where it should go?
Meanwhile, I started my search for more websites about this, or other resources, and may have solved the mystery of how this Learn SVG website got to be on the Books and Manuals page....or at least shed a lot of light on it. When searching "learn svg" the first result is that site. However, the text that's shown in the description of my DDG search:
"A site for the book Learn SVG: The Web Graphics Standard, which is a beginner-level book presented in a workbook-like format, covering the main aspects of SVG. Includes examples and tutorials."
must come from either a previous incarnation of that site, or some hidden source. I don't really understand much about how search engines work, but I thought they took the first couple of lines of text from the home page, for the description. In this case, I can't find the description anywhere on that site. But apparently, the site either used to, or was originally intended, to promote this book.
The first mention of any book, that I can find, is https://www.microsoft.com/learning/en-us/book.aspx?ID=15525. But I don't think that's the book that was supposed to be (or somehow is) promoted, because it's not a workbook. Anyway, if we can find this book, it certainly should be listed on Books and Manuals page!
And where to start this new page about SVG should probably be decided, before we start (or else we'll have to go through the same routine with changing text links at the last minute, as we did with the recent new pages).
Should we plan on a whole new main menu item "SVG" with so far, 2 pages -- 1 about learning how to write SVG, and 1 about how Inkscape uses SVG. Or should it be Learn SVG page in Learn menu, and put info about how Inkscape uses SVG 2 in News? Or some other arrangement?
Thanks, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryce Harrington" <bryce@...84...> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 2:03 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...> Cc: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...2...>; "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 01:50:31AM -0700, Brynn wrote:
I'll be sure to keep an eye on those, along with the others on the Around the Internet page (the outside "galleries" page), Community (forums), as well as Tutorials, if that page ever gets going. (And maybe 1 or 2 in the new FAQ.)
Bryce, when you say "....our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support." do you mean using SVG 2 on the website, or do you mean reporting about how Inkscape implements SVG 2?
The former would be spiffy, but what I meant was the latter.
And more specifically, as SVG 2 is still muchly a work in progress, the website could serve a good purpose by providing links to SVG 2 references and examples, and explaining work needed in inkscape to implement the same. This is an area Tav is very passionate about, and he might be able to supply you with a lot of information.
Thanks for explaining. My brains starts to glaze over when the subject of 'specifications' comes up 8-)
I know. :-) They're quite important though!
Bryce
brynn
From: "Bryce Harrington" <bryce@...84...> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:05 AM To: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...2...> Cc: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And the other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would inspire some developers to fill it in?
This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
This should fit in well with our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.
One thing to keep in mind though is ensuring the page gets proper maintenance going forward; technical stuff bitrots quickly on the web, and 3rd party links especially.
Bryce
Ok :-)
I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some searching, the next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with intro text, if you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can collaborate from there. Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas about organizing the page. It may end up being just a handful of links, but....well, as we've said, at least it will be a start.
This is a slightly different subject, at the moment, but it's a fairly popular topic on forums. The way I found what little info I have on SVG coding, was while searching for info on animation of SVG (for my website). So my info will have a lot of cross-over with animation. I included some of that info in the very brief overview of animation in FAQ# A.10 (https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#Can_Inkscape_create_animations?).
And I definitely have enough info, and understand well enough, to make a page on animation, and the various options that exist currently. (Not like a tutorial, but a more in depth overview than what I put in the FAQ. And like with the Promote and Contribute pages, the FAQ can be further shrunk by simply linking to this proposed new page about animation and SVG.) (And light bulb! Likewise, the About SVG section of the FAQ can be combined into this new About SVG page!)
So not only would a page about animation be good content for the site, I could probably do it. But I wonder if it should be an entirely separate page? Or should it be a section on this new About SVG page? I guess technically, the animation of SVG is done via JS and other scripts, which is a different code. So I guess they should be entirely separate.....right?
Maybe I could even make up some simple examples! (uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle some simple animation of SVG?....maybe you guys would have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand a lot of those django plugins?) (Or maybe I could put the examples on my website, and just provide links from the proposed Animation page. That way can bypass django.....although one should probably expect Inkscape's website to be able to use SVG!)
Sorry, for starting to ramble. That's how my creative process works, I guess. Anyway, I'll make sure to finish the About SVG page, before starting on About Animation :-)
Thanks, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...2...> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:53 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...> Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And the other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would inspire some developers to fill it in?
This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
Thanks for your hard work :-)
Martin,
On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 01:30 -0700, Brynn wrote:
the animation of SVG is done via JS and other scripts, which is a different code. So I guess they should be entirely separate.....right?
Hi Brynn,
There are two animations possible. (three now), one is javascript, one is SMIL and the last is CSS3
Martin,
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 01:30:50AM -0700, Brynn wrote:
Ok :-)
I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some searching, the next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with intro text, if you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can collaborate from there. Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas about organizing the page. It may end up being just a handful of links, but....well, as we've said, at least it will be a start.
This is a slightly different subject, at the moment, but it's a fairly popular topic on forums. The way I found what little info I have on SVG coding, was while searching for info on animation of SVG (for my website). So my info will have a lot of cross-over with animation. I included some of that info in the very brief overview of animation in FAQ# A.10 (https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#Can_Inkscape_create_animations?).
Nice, I like all the references linked there.
And I definitely have enough info, and understand well enough, to make a page on animation, and the various options that exist currently. (Not like a tutorial, but a more in depth overview than what I put in the FAQ. And like with the Promote and Contribute pages, the FAQ can be further shrunk by simply linking to this proposed new page about animation and SVG.) (And light bulb! Likewise, the About SVG section of the FAQ can be combined into this new About SVG page!)
So not only would a page about animation be good content for the site, I could probably do it. But I wonder if it should be an entirely separate page? Or should it be a section on this new About SVG page? I guess technically, the animation of SVG is done via JS and other scripts, which is a different code. So I guess they should be entirely separate.....right?
Animation is such an important topic that I do agree it deserves its own page, separate from JS-based animation.
I have no idea if Inkscape will eventually evolve animation-editing capabilities, and if it does what style of animation it'll focus on. But regardless, it still would be worthwhile to document various ways to do it, that don't involve inkscape.
Bryce
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Hi Brynn,
finally, I'm back and have some time to write something up.
Ok :-)
I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some
searching, the
next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with intro
text, if
you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can collaborate from there. Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas about organizing the page. It may end up being just a handful of links, but....well, as we've said, at least it will be a start.
Do you already have a list of links which should be included in the SVG page and/or the SVG animation page? And has there been any progress on where those pages should end up? It's also possible to move a page after it has been created, so if we don't know where to put it yet, it's not so problematic (Although it would help to know the intended audience of a text before writing it...) Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished (the little red/green sign at the end of the row in the pages list should be red), and don't link to it before we know where it will live.
uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle some simple animation of SVG?....maybe you guys
would
have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand a lot of those django plugins?
- - I think that should work just fine. It only depends on browser support, but not on the website. A js-based animation made with sozi can be viewed by clicking the 'view' button: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS based animation can be viewed with the view button.
Regards, Maren
Hi Maren, I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the overview that you were going to write, to get some hints about some different search terms. (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far, I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that we probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much as possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some reason), saying he didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that he thinks the new page about SVG should go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG.
All best, brynn
PS -- Either I was once again guilty of writing too long of an email, or simply no one knows what book is referenced in my DDG search, which found this description of the Learn SVG website.
"A site for the book Learn SVG: The Web Graphics Standard, which is a beginner-level book presented in a workbook-like format, covering the main aspects of SVG. Includes examples and tutorials."
I can't find that book mentioned anywhere on that site. Also, there is more content on learnsvg.org domain, with perhaps the most important content http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialBasics/ which is also not linked (not that I could find). It seems like a good site, but certainly lacking some vital navigation! OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a link to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here it is: -- free PDF download: http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- purchase: http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
All best :-)
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: <brynn@...67...>; "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
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Hi Brynn,
finally, I'm back and have some time to write something up.
Ok :-)
I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some
searching, the
next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with intro
text, if
you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can collaborate from there. Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas about organizing the page. It may end up being just a handful of links, but....well, as we've said, at least it will be a start.
Do you already have a list of links which should be included in the SVG page and/or the SVG animation page? And has there been any progress on where those pages should end up? It's also possible to move a page after it has been created, so if we don't know where to put it yet, it's not so problematic (Although it would help to know the intended audience of a text before writing it...) Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished (the little red/green sign at the end of the row in the pages list should be red), and don't link to it before we know where it will live.
uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle some simple animation of SVG?....maybe you guys
would
have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand a lot of those django plugins?
- I think that should work just fine. It only depends on browser
support, but not on the website. A js-based animation made with sozi can be viewed by clicking the 'view' button: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS based animation can be viewed with the view button.
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Hi Brynn,
Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn:
I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the overview that you were going to write, to get some hints about some different search terms. (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far, I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that we probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much as possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some reason), saying he didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that he thinks the new page about SVG should go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG.
- - Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll definitely need some input from Tav for the specifics...
OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a link to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here it is: -- free PDF download: http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- purchase:
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
- - Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving up digging!
Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, with one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The principles are probably still the same for the majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, and I believe backwards compatibility is something which is taken seriously by W3C, but many details and tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be outdated, and some new functionality must have been built in in the meantime. There are some nice nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll need to add a hint about the age of the text, and about the areas where it is still valid, and where it is not. I can't really judge this, unfortunately. Another question for Tav, I'm afraid.
Regards, Maren
All best :-)
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: <brynn@...67...>; "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Hi Brynn,
finally, I'm back and have some time to write something up.
Ok :-)
I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some
searching, the
next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with intro
text, if
you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can collaborate from there. Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas about organizing the page. It may end up being just a handful of links, but....well, as we've said, at least it will be a start.
Do you already have a list of links which should be included in the SVG page and/or the SVG animation page? And has there been any progress on where those pages should end up? It's also possible to move a page after it has been created, so if we don't know where to put it yet, it's not so problematic (Although it would help to know the intended audience of a text before writing it...) Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished (the little red/green sign at the end of the row in the pages list should be red), and don't link to it before we know where it will live.
uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle some simple animation of SVG?....maybe you guys
would
have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand a lot of those django plugins?
- I think that should work just fine. It only depends on browser
support, but not on the website. A js-based animation made with sozi can be viewed by clicking the 'view' button: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS based animation can be viewed with the view button.
Regards, Maren
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Hi everyone,
I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being transferable from staging to live. Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.
The last section, where links to external pages will live, is your realm, Brynn :)
For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's and every other developer's help for prompting me with some keywords, and probably people will also have additional remarks for the 'Why...' section.
Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions welcome!
Regards, Maren
Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann:
Hi Brynn,
Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn:
I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the overview that you were going to write, to get some hints about some different search terms. (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far, I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that we probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much as possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some reason), saying he didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that he thinks the new page about SVG should go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG.
- Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll definitely need some
input from Tav for the specifics...
OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a link to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here it is: -- free PDF download: http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- purchase:
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
- Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving up digging!
Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, with one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The principles are probably still the same for the majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, and I believe backwards compatibility is something which is taken seriously by W3C, but many details and tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be outdated, and some new functionality must have been built in in the meantime. There are some nice nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll need to add a hint about the age of the text, and about the areas where it is still valid, and where it is not. I can't really judge this, unfortunately. Another question for Tav, I'm afraid.
Regards, Maren
All best :-)
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: <brynn@...67...>; "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Hi Brynn,
finally, I'm back and have some time to write something up.
Ok :-)
I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some
searching, the
next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with intro
text, if
you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can collaborate from there. Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas about organizing the page. It may end up being just a handful of links, but....well, as we've said, at least it will be a start.
Do you already have a list of links which should be included in the SVG page and/or the SVG animation page? And has there been any progress on where those pages should end up? It's also possible to move a page after it has been created, so if we don't know where to put it yet, it's not so problematic (Although it would help to know the intended audience of a text before writing it...) Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished (the little red/green sign at the end of the row in the pages list should be red), and don't link to it before we know where it will live.
uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle some simple animation of SVG?....maybe you guys
would
have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand a lot of those django plugins?
- I think that should work just fine. It only depends on browser
support, but not on the website. A js-based animation made with sozi can be viewed by clicking the 'view' button: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS based animation can be viewed with the view button.
Regards, Maren
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Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where does this belong" thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more about the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.
1. I was just looking at the new About SVG page that Maren started, which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder about is the section of code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 pages long, on my screen. Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2 to 4 pts), so that it takes up less space? Or show less of the code? Or maybe put it on another page, and link to it? Or have a very small block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click, or mouseover, it expands down? I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and it's a good thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will think that's the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I imagine the "How does Inkscape use SVG" section could be fairly long, as well.
2. Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll just put the URL for each link, on the draft page.
3. Now that we have this draft on staging, is there any idea when it will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to start a page for animation topics, but want to see this through first.
4. Does anyone know who might be responsible for the Learn SVG site, or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just bugs me that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via link from its front page). It's something that makes me think the site will succumb to bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already started) and makes me not want to use it. But otherwise, it really is a nice site.
Thanks, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Hi everyone,
I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being transferable from staging to live. Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.
The last section, where links to external pages will live, is your realm, Brynn :)
For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's and every other developer's help for prompting me with some keywords, and probably people will also have additional remarks for the 'Why...' section.
Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions welcome!
Regards, Maren
Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann:
Hi Brynn,
Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn:
I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the overview that you were going to write, to get some hints about some different search terms. (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far, I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that we probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much as possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some reason), saying he didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that he thinks the new page about SVG should go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG.
- Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll definitely need some
input from Tav for the specifics...
OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a link to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here it is: -- free PDF download: http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- purchase:
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
- Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving up digging!
Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, with one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The principles are probably still the same for the majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, and I believe backwards compatibility is something which is taken seriously by W3C, but many details and tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be outdated, and some new functionality must have been built in in the meantime. There are some nice nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll need to add a hint about the age of the text, and about the areas where it is still valid, and where it is not. I can't really judge this, unfortunately. Another question for Tav, I'm afraid.
Regards, Maren
All best :-)
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: <brynn@...67...>; "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Hi Brynn,
finally, I'm back and have some time to write something up.
Ok :-)
I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some
searching, the
next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with intro
text, if
you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can collaborate from there. Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas about organizing the page. It may end up being just a handful of links, but....well, as we've said, at least it will be a start.
Do you already have a list of links which should be included in the SVG page and/or the SVG animation page? And has there been any progress on where those pages should end up? It's also possible to move a page after it has been created, so if we don't know where to put it yet, it's not so problematic (Although it would help to know the intended audience of a text before writing it...) Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished (the little red/green sign at the end of the row in the pages list should be red), and don't link to it before we know where it will live.
uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle some simple animation of SVG?....maybe you guys
would
have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand a lot of those django plugins?
- I think that should work just fine. It only depends on browser
support, but not on the website. A js-based animation made with sozi can be viewed by clicking the 'view' button: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS based animation can be viewed with the view button.
Regards, Maren
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Hi Brynn,
thank you for your feedback!
ad 1) I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen heights. The expanding box would be nice, but we don't have something like that available currently, I believe. Maybe something for a website feature request?
ad 3) No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. This shouldn't prevent you from starting with the animation page, though. I can take care of the rest of this page ('About SVG'), if you would like to proceed.
The link selection you added to the page looks like a really good selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link list, and renamed two items. Thank you!
Regards, Maren
Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where does this belong"
thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more about the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.
I was just looking at the new About SVG page that Maren
started, which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder about is the section of code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 pages long, on my screen. Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2 to 4 pts), so that it takes up less space? Or show less of the code? Or maybe put it on another page, and link to it? Or have a very small block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click, or mouseover, it expands down?
I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and it's a
good thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will think that's the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I imagine the "How does Inkscape use SVG" section could be fairly long, as well.
Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll just put the
URL for each link, on the draft page.
Now that we have this draft on staging, is there any idea
when it will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to start a page for animation topics, but want to see this through first.
Does anyone know who might be responsible for the Learn SVG
site, or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just bugs me that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via link from its front page). It's something that makes me think the site will succumb to bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already started) and makes me not want to use it. But otherwise, it really is a nice site.
Thanks, brynn
From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG
coding)
Hi everyone,
I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being transferable from staging to live. Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.
The last section, where links to external pages will live, is your realm, Brynn :)
For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's and every other developer's help for prompting me with some keywords, and probably people will also have additional remarks for the 'Why...' section.
Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions welcome!
Regards, Maren
Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann:
Hi Brynn,
Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn:
I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the overview that you were going to write, to get some hints about some different search terms. (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far, I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that we probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much as possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some reason), saying he didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that he thinks the new page about SVG should go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG.
- Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll definitely need some
input from Tav for the specifics...
OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a link to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here it is: -- free PDF download: http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- purchase:
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
- Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving up digging!
Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, with one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The principles are probably still the same for the majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, and I believe backwards compatibility is something which is taken seriously by W3C, but many details and tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be outdated, and some new functionality must have been built in in the meantime. There are some nice nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll need to add a hint about the age of the text, and about the areas where it is still valid, and where it is not. I can't really judge this, unfortunately. Another question for Tav, I'm afraid.
Regards, Maren
All best :-)
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: <brynn@...67...>; "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Hi Brynn,
finally, I'm back and have some time to write something up.
> Ok :-) > > I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some
searching, the
> next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with > intro
text, if
> you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can > collaborate from there. Maybe during my search I'll get some > ideas about organizing the page. It may end up being just a > handful of links, but....well, as we've said, at least it will > be a start. >
Do you already have a list of links which should be included in the SVG page and/or the SVG animation page? And has there been any progress on where those pages should end up? It's also possible to move a page after it has been created, so if we don't know where to put it yet, it's not so problematic (Although it would help to know the intended audience of a text before writing it...) Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished (the little red/green sign at the end of the row in the pages list should be red), and don't link to it before we know where it will live.
> > uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle some simple > animation of SVG?....maybe you guys
would
> have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand > a lot of those django plugins?
- I think that should work just fine. It only depends on browser
support, but not on the website. A js-based animation made with sozi can be viewed by clicking the 'view' button: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS based animation can be viewed with the view button.
Regards, Maren
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Hi Maren, Yeah, that shorter section of code really looks better. If we don't want to have an expandable section, or link to the whole amount of code, maybe just a note about how to find it, if someone wants to see the whole thing? (e.g. open it in Inkscape and look at XML Editor, or look at source code in a browser)
Hah, I have the SVG 2.0 draft on my list, but somehow it didn't make it onto the page. Although on the other hand, I didn't realize I was finished completely! I do still want to add the Learn SVG website, and the tutorials which are on that same domain (although somehow not linked to each other), if that's ok, as well as the book. I was still hoping to get some more info about the Learn SVG site, before putting it on About SVG page. But now I'm thinking I won't be getting anymore info. And I'll just plan on keeping an eye on the link.
But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics. It will be fun and informative :-) Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or Develop? I would think Learn, but I often don't see the "big picture".
All best, brynn
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Hi Brynn,
thank you for your feedback!
ad 1) I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen heights. The expanding box would be nice, but we don't have something like that available currently, I believe. Maybe something for a website feature request?
ad 3) No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. This shouldn't prevent you from starting with the animation page, though. I can take care of the rest of this page ('About SVG'), if you would like to proceed.
The link selection you added to the page looks like a really good selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link list, and renamed two items. Thank you!
Regards, Maren
Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where does this belong"
thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more about the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.
I was just looking at the new About SVG page that Marenstarted, which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder about is the section of code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 pages long, on my screen. Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2 to 4 pts), so that it takes up less space? Or show less of the code? Or maybe put it on another page, and link to it? Or have a very small block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click, or mouseover, it expands down?
I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and it's agood thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will think that's the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I imagine the "How does Inkscape use SVG" section could be fairly long, as well.
Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll just put theURL for each link, on the draft page.
Now that we have this draft on staging, is there any ideawhen it will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to start a page for animation topics, but want to see this through first.
Does anyone know who might be responsible for the Learn SVGsite, or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just bugs me that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via link from its front page). It's something that makes me think the site will succumb to bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already started) and makes me not want to use it. But otherwise, it really is a nice site.
Thanks, brynn
From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG
coding)
Hi everyone,
I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being transferable from staging to live. Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.
The last section, where links to external pages will live, is your realm, Brynn :)
For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's and every other developer's help for prompting me with some keywords, and probably people will also have additional remarks for the 'Why...' section.
Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions welcome!
Regards, Maren
Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann:
Hi Brynn,
Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn:
I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the overview that you were going to write, to get some hints about some different search terms. (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far, I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that we probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much as possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some reason), saying he didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that he thinks the new page about SVG should go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG.
- Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll definitely need some
input from Tav for the specifics...
OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a link to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here it is: -- free PDF download: http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- purchase:
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
- Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving up digging!
Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, with one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The principles are probably still the same for the majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, and I believe backwards compatibility is something which is taken seriously by W3C, but many details and tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be outdated, and some new functionality must have been built in in the meantime. There are some nice nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll need to add a hint about the age of the text, and about the areas where it is still valid, and where it is not. I can't really judge this, unfortunately. Another question for Tav, I'm afraid.
Regards, Maren
All best :-)
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: <brynn@...67...>; "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Hi Brynn,
finally, I'm back and have some time to write something up.
>> Ok :-) >> >> I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some
searching, the
>> next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with >> intro
text, if
>> you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can >> collaborate from there. Maybe during my search I'll get some >> ideas about organizing the page. It may end up being just a >> handful of links, but....well, as we've said, at least it will >> be a start. >>
Do you already have a list of links which should be included in the SVG page and/or the SVG animation page? And has there been any progress on where those pages should end up? It's also possible to move a page after it has been created, so if we don't know where to put it yet, it's not so problematic (Although it would help to know the intended audience of a text before writing it...) Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished (the little red/green sign at the end of the row in the pages list should be red), and don't link to it before we know where it will live.
>> >> uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle some simple >> animation of SVG?....maybe you guys
would
>> have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand >> a lot of those django plugins?
- I think that should work just fine. It only depends on browser
support, but not on the website. A js-based animation made with sozi can be viewed by clicking the 'view' button: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS based animation can be viewed with the view button.
Regards, Maren
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Hi Brynn,
I do still want to add the Learn SVG website, and the tutorials which are on that same domain (although somehow not linked to each other), if that's ok, as well as the book.
- - The website and book are in now, and I've gotten feedback from Tav and adapted the page, so you can now add the still missing tutorials ;)
But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics. It will be fun and informative :-) Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or Develop? I would think Learn, but I often don't see the "big picture".
- - To me, Learn also makes more sense, as it's geared towards a more general audience - not only Inkscape developers want to make their pictures move ;)
Regards, Maren
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 5:33 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: About SVG page
Hi Brynn,
thank you for your feedback!
ad 1) I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen heights. The expanding box would be nice, but we don't have something like that available currently, I believe. Maybe something for a website feature request?
ad 3) No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. This shouldn't prevent you from starting with the animation page, though. I can take care of the rest of this page ('About SVG'), if you would like to proceed.
The link selection you added to the page looks like a really good selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link list, and renamed two items. Thank you!
Regards, Maren
Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where does this belong"
thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more about the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.
I was just looking at the new About SVG page thatMaren
started, which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder about is the section of code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 pages long, on my screen. Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2 to 4 pts), so that it takes up less space? Or show less of the code? Or maybe put it on another page, and link to it? Or have a very small block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click, or mouseover, it expands down?
I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and it's a
good thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will think that's the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I imagine the "How does Inkscape use SVG" section could be fairly long, as well.
Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll justput the
URL for each link, on the draft page.
Now that we have this draft on staging, is there anyidea
when it will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to start a page for animation topics, but want to see this through first.
Does anyone know who might be responsible for theLearn SVG
site, or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just bugs me that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via link from its front page). It's something that makes me think the site will succumb to bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already started) and makes me not want to use it. But otherwise, it really is a nice site.
Thanks, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG
coding)
Hi everyone,
I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being transferable from staging to live. Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.
The last section, where links to external pages will live, is your realm, Brynn :)
For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's and every other developer's help for prompting me with some keywords, and probably people will also have additional remarks for the 'Why...' section.
Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions welcome!
Regards, Maren
Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann:
Hi Brynn,
Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn:
> I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the > overview that you were going to write, to get some hints > about some different search terms. (I'm not very > knowledgeable about this.) So far, I've found a few > tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that we > probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much > as possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some > reason), saying he didn't think a new menu item is > needed, and that he thinks the new page about SVG should > go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have 2 > sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG.
- Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll definitely
need some input from Tav for the specifics...
> OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a > website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a link > to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here it is: -- > free PDF download: > http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- > purchase:
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
> Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
- Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving up
digging!
Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, with one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The principles are probably still the same for the majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, and I believe backwards compatibility is something which is taken seriously by W3C, but many details and tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be outdated, and some new functionality must have been built in in the meantime. There are some nice nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll need to add a hint about the age of the text, and about the areas where it is still valid, and where it is not. I can't really judge this, unfortunately. Another question for Tav, I'm afraid.
Regards, Maren
> All best :-)
> -------------------------------------------------- From: > "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Tuesday, > March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: <brynn@...67...>; > "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? > ("advanced" SVG coding)
>> > Hi Brynn,
> finally, I'm back and have some time to write something > up.
>>>> Ok :-) >>>> >>>> I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on >>>> doing some > searching, the >>>> next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new >>>> page with intro > text, if >>>> you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and >>>> I can collaborate from there. Maybe during my >>>> search I'll get some ideas about organizing the >>>> page. It may end up being just a handful of links, >>>> but....well, as we've said, at least it will be a >>>> start. >>>>
> Do you already have a list of links which should be > included in the SVG page and/or the SVG animation page? > And has there been any progress on where those pages > should end up? It's also possible to move a page after it > has been created, so if we don't know where to put it > yet, it's not so problematic (Although it would help to > know the intended audience of a text before writing > it...) Just don't put it in the menu before it is > finished (the little red/green sign at the end of the row > in the pages list should be red), and don't link to it > before we know where it will live.
>>>> >>>> uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle >>>> some simple animation of SVG?....maybe you guys > would >>>> have to set up that part of the page, since I don't >>>> understand a lot of those django plugins?
> - I think that should work just fine. It only depends on > browser support, but not on the website. A js-based > animation made with sozi can be viewed by clicking the > 'view' button: > http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . I > copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page > http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I > didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, > even in the gallery view; a CSS based animation can be > viewed with the view button.
> Regards, Maren >> >> >> >>
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Hi again, Hhmm...well now I'm having 2nd thoughts about adding those tutorials. Can you look at them, and judge whether they are too out-of-date? Or do you think they will be about like the book -- still useful? It's all a bit over my head, especially the math and scripting. These are the tutorials that share the same domain: http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialBasics/ http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialMath/ http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialScripting/ It's too bad everything isn't all linked together, like you'd expect, then we'd only need to link to the front page. But maybe there's a reason?
Thanks :-) brynn
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Hi Brynn,
I do still want to add the Learn SVG website, and the tutorials which are on that same domain (although somehow not linked to each other), if that's ok, as well as the book.
- The website and book are in now, and I've gotten feedback from Tav
and adapted the page, so you can now add the still missing tutorials ;)
But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics. It will be fun and informative :-) Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or Develop? I would think Learn, but I often don't see the "big picture".
- To me, Learn also makes more sense, as it's geared towards a more
general audience - not only Inkscape developers want to make their pictures move ;)
Regards, Maren
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 5:33 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: About SVG page
Hi Brynn,
thank you for your feedback!
ad 1) I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen heights. The expanding box would be nice, but we don't have something like that available currently, I believe. Maybe something for a website feature request?
ad 3) No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. This shouldn't prevent you from starting with the animation page, though. I can take care of the rest of this page ('About SVG'), if you would like to proceed.
The link selection you added to the page looks like a really good selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link list, and renamed two items. Thank you!
Regards, Maren
Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where does this belong"
thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more about the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.
I was just looking at the new About SVG page thatMaren
started, which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder about is the section of code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 pages long, on my screen. Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2 to 4 pts), so that it takes up less space? Or show less of the code? Or maybe put it on another page, and link to it? Or have a very small block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click, or mouseover, it expands down?
I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and it's a
good thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will think that's the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I imagine the "How does Inkscape use SVG" section could be fairly long, as well.
Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll justput the
URL for each link, on the draft page.
Now that we have this draft on staging, is there anyidea
when it will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to start a page for animation topics, but want to see this through first.
Does anyone know who might be responsible for theLearn SVG
site, or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just bugs me that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via link from its front page). It's something that makes me think the site will succumb to bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already started) and makes me not want to use it. But otherwise, it really is a nice site.
Thanks, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG
coding)
Hi everyone,
I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being transferable from staging to live. Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.
The last section, where links to external pages will live, is your realm, Brynn :)
For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's and every other developer's help for prompting me with some keywords, and probably people will also have additional remarks for the 'Why...' section.
Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions welcome!
Regards, Maren
Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann: > > Hi Brynn, > > Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn: > >> I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the >> overview that you were going to write, to get some hints >> about some different search terms. (I'm not very >> knowledgeable about this.) So far, I've found a few >> tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that we >> probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much >> as possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some >> reason), saying he didn't think a new menu item is >> needed, and that he thinks the new page about SVG should >> go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have 2 >> sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG. > > > - Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll definitely > need some input from Tav for the specifics... > >> OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a >> website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a link >> to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here it is: -- >> free PDF download: >> http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- >> purchase: > >
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
> >> Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page? > > - Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving up > digging! > > Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, with > one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The principles are > probably still the same for the majority of the contents, > the maths didn't change, and I believe backwards > compatibility is something which is taken seriously by > W3C, but many details and tipps and tricks mentioned in the > text will be outdated, and some new functionality must have > been built in in the meantime. There are some nice > nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast to the > text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll need to add a > hint about the age of the text, and about the areas where > it is still valid, and where it is not. I can't really > judge this, unfortunately. Another question for Tav, I'm > afraid. > > Regards, Maren > > >> All best :-) > >> -------------------------------------------------- From: >> "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Tuesday, >> March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: <brynn@...67...>; >> "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? >> ("advanced" SVG coding) > >>> >> Hi Brynn, > >> finally, I'm back and have some time to write something >> up. > >>>>> Ok :-) >>>>> >>>>> I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on >>>>> doing some >> searching, the >>>>> next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new >>>>> page with intro >> text, if >>>>> you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and >>>>> I can collaborate from there. Maybe during my >>>>> search I'll get some ideas about organizing the >>>>> page. It may end up being just a handful of links, >>>>> but....well, as we've said, at least it will be a >>>>> start. >>>>> > >> Do you already have a list of links which should be >> included in the SVG page and/or the SVG animation page? >> And has there been any progress on where those pages >> should end up? It's also possible to move a page after it >> has been created, so if we don't know where to put it >> yet, it's not so problematic (Although it would help to >> know the intended audience of a text before writing >> it...) Just don't put it in the menu before it is >> finished (the little red/green sign at the end of the row >> in the pages list should be red), and don't link to it >> before we know where it will live. > >>>>> >>>>> uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle >>>>> some simple animation of SVG?....maybe you guys >> would >>>>> have to set up that part of the page, since I don't >>>>> understand a lot of those django plugins? > >> - I think that should work just fine. It only depends on >> browser support, but not on the website. A js-based >> animation made with sozi can be viewed by clicking the >> 'view' button: >> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . I >> copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page >> http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I >> didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, >> even in the gallery view; a CSS based animation can be >> viewed with the view button. > >> Regards, Maren >>> >>> >>> >>> >
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Hi Brynn,
can your IE still interpret the contents of those tutorials? - For me, they don't work at all, neither in Chromium nor in Firefox. And also, all links I clicked on on the formular or list page were dead. There are some boxes, and they are clickable, but nothing happens. Some of the js the website needs doesn't even exist any more.
I think you can happily leave them out... or do they work for you?
Regards, Maren
Am 10.03.2015 um 02:41 schrieb Brynn:
Hi again, Hhmm...well now I'm having 2nd thoughts about adding those tutorials. Can you look at them, and judge whether they are too out-of-date? Or do you think they will be about like the book -- still useful? It's all a bit over my head, especially the math and scripting. These are the tutorials that share the same domain: http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialBasics/ http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialMath/ http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialScripting/ It's too bad everything isn't all linked together, like you'd expect, then we'd only need to link to the front page. But maybe there's a reason?
Thanks :-) brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:56 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: About SVG page
Hi Brynn,
I do still want to add the Learn SVG website, and the tutorials which are on that same domain (although somehow not linked to each other), if that's ok, as well as the book.
- The website and book are in now, and I've gotten feedback from Tav
and adapted the page, so you can now add the still missing tutorials ;)
But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics. It will be fun and informative :-) Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or Develop? I would think Learn, but I often don't see the "big picture".
- To me, Learn also makes more sense, as it's geared towards a more
general audience - not only Inkscape developers want to make their pictures move ;)
Regards, Maren
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 5:33 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: About SVG page
Hi Brynn,
thank you for your feedback!
ad 1) I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen heights. The expanding box would be nice, but we don't have something like that available currently, I believe. Maybe something for a website feature request?
ad 3) No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. This shouldn't prevent you from starting with the animation page, though. I can take care of the rest of this page ('About SVG'), if you would like to proceed.
The link selection you added to the page looks like a really good selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link list, and renamed two items. Thank you!
Regards, Maren
Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
> Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where > does this belong"
thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more about the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.
> > 1. I was just looking at the new About SVG page > that Maren
started, which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder about is the section of code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 pages long, on my screen. Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2 to 4 pts), so that it takes up less space? Or show less of the code? Or maybe put it on another page, and link to it? Or have a very small block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click, or mouseover, it expands down?
> I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and > it's a
good thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will think that's the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I imagine the "How does Inkscape use SVG" section could be fairly long, as well.
> > 2. Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll > just put the
URL for each link, on the draft page.
> > 3. Now that we have this draft on staging, is > there any idea
when it will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to start a page for animation topics, but want to see this through first.
> > 4. Does anyone know who might be responsible for > the Learn SVG
site, or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just bugs me that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via link from its front page). It's something that makes me think the site will succumb to bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already started) and makes me not want to use it. But otherwise, it really is a nice site.
> > Thanks, brynn > > > -------------------------------------------------- From: > "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: > Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM To: > inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: > [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG
coding)
> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' >> submenu at >> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. >> There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin >> links not being transferable from staging to live. Text >> formatting isn't finished yet, either. >> >> The last section, where links to external pages will >> live, is your realm, Brynn :) >> >> For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's >> and every other developer's help for prompting me with >> some keywords, and probably people will also have >> additional remarks for the 'Why...' section. >> >> Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions >> welcome! >> >> Regards, Maren >> >> Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann: >>> >>> Hi Brynn, >>> >>> Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn: >>> >>>> I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see >>>> the overview that you were going to write, to get >>>> some hints about some different search terms. >>>> (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far, >>>> I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). >>>> Although I agree that we probably want to limit the >>>> "unofficial links", as much as possible. Martin >>>> replied to me privately (for some reason), saying >>>> he didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that >>>> he thinks the new page about SVG should go in >>>> Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have >>>> 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG. >>> >>> >>> - Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll >>> definitely need some input from Tav for the >>> specifics... >>> >>>> OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a >>>> website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a >>>> link to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here >>>> it is: -- free PDF download: >>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- >>>> purchase: >>> >>>
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
>> >>> >>>> Those should probably go on Books and Manuals >>>> page? >>> >>> - Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving >>> up digging! >>> >>> Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, >>> with one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The >>> principles are probably still the same for the >>> majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, >>> and I believe backwards compatibility is something >>> which is taken seriously by W3C, but many details and >>> tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be >>> outdated, and some new functionality must have been >>> built in in the meantime. There are some nice >>> nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast >>> to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll >>> need to add a hint about the age of the text, and >>> about the areas where it is still valid, and where it >>> is not. I can't really judge this, unfortunately. >>> Another question for Tav, I'm afraid. >>> >>> Regards, Maren >>> >>> >>>> All best :-) >>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: >>>> <brynn@...67...>; "Inkscape-Docs" >>>> inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: >>>> [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" >>>> SVG coding) >>> >>>>> >>>> Hi Brynn, >>> >>>> finally, I'm back and have some time to write >>>> something up. >>> >>>>>>> Ok :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll >>>>>>> plan on doing some >>>> searching, the >>>>>>> next time I'm back online, and I'll look for >>>>>>> a new page with intro >>>> text, if >>>>>>> you can get it started, Maren. And then >>>>>>> Maren and I can collaborate from there. >>>>>>> Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas >>>>>>> about organizing the page. It may end up >>>>>>> being just a handful of links, but....well, >>>>>>> as we've said, at least it will be a start. >>>>>>> >>> >>>> Do you already have a list of links which should >>>> be included in the SVG page and/or the SVG >>>> animation page? And has there been any progress on >>>> where those pages should end up? It's also possible >>>> to move a page after it has been created, so if we >>>> don't know where to put it yet, it's not so >>>> problematic (Although it would help to know the >>>> intended audience of a text before writing it...) >>>> Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished >>>> (the little red/green sign at the end of the row in >>>> the pages list should be red), and don't link to >>>> it before we know where it will live. >>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> uh-oh.....could the site, the django part >>>>>>> handle some simple animation of SVG?....maybe >>>>>>> you guys >>>> would >>>>>>> have to set up that part of the page, since I >>>>>>> don't understand a lot of those django >>>>>>> plugins? >>> >>>> - I think that should work just fine. It only >>>> depends on browser support, but not on the website. >>>> A js-based animation made with sozi can be viewed >>>> by clicking the 'view' button: >>>> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . >>>> I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page >>>> http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as >>>> I didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed >>>> directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS based >>>> animation can be viewed with the view button. >>> >>>> Regards, Maren >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>
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Well, I wasn't sure if they were broken, or if I just didn't understand SVG/XML. I couldn't figure out how to use the tutorials. Maybe that's why they don't link to them anymore.
I agree. Let's leave them out :-)
brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:20 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: About SVG page
Hi Brynn,
can your IE still interpret the contents of those tutorials? - For me, they don't work at all, neither in Chromium nor in Firefox. And also, all links I clicked on on the formular or list page were dead. There are some boxes, and they are clickable, but nothing happens. Some of the js the website needs doesn't even exist any more.
I think you can happily leave them out... or do they work for you?
Regards, Maren
Am 10.03.2015 um 02:41 schrieb Brynn:
Hi again, Hhmm...well now I'm having 2nd thoughts about adding those tutorials. Can you look at them, and judge whether they are too out-of-date? Or do you think they will be about like the book -- still useful? It's all a bit over my head, especially the math and scripting. These are the tutorials that share the same domain: http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialBasics/ http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialMath/ http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialScripting/ It's too bad everything isn't all linked together, like you'd expect, then we'd only need to link to the front page. But maybe there's a reason?
Thanks :-) brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:56 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: About SVG page
Hi Brynn,
I do still want to add the Learn SVG website, and the tutorials which are on that same domain (although somehow not linked to each other), if that's ok, as well as the book.
- The website and book are in now, and I've gotten feedback from Tav
and adapted the page, so you can now add the still missing tutorials ;)
But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics. It will be fun and informative :-) Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or Develop? I would think Learn, but I often don't see the "big picture".
- To me, Learn also makes more sense, as it's geared towards a more
general audience - not only Inkscape developers want to make their pictures move ;)
Regards, Maren
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 5:33 PM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: About SVG page
Hi Brynn,
thank you for your feedback!
ad 1) I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen heights. The expanding box would be nice, but we don't have something like that available currently, I believe. Maybe something for a website feature request?
ad 3) No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. This shouldn't prevent you from starting with the animation page, though. I can take care of the rest of this page ('About SVG'), if you would like to proceed.
The link selection you added to the page looks like a really good selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link list, and renamed two items. Thank you!
Regards, Maren
Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
>> Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where >> does this belong"
thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more about the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.
>> >> 1. I was just looking at the new About SVG page >> that Maren
started, which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder about is the section of code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 pages long, on my screen. Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2 to 4 pts), so that it takes up less space? Or show less of the code? Or maybe put it on another page, and link to it? Or have a very small block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click, or mouseover, it expands down?
>> I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and >> it's a
good thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will think that's the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I imagine the "How does Inkscape use SVG" section could be fairly long, as well.
>> >> 2. Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll >> just put the
URL for each link, on the draft page.
>> >> 3. Now that we have this draft on staging, is >> there any idea
when it will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to start a page for animation topics, but want to see this through first.
>> >> 4. Does anyone know who might be responsible for >> the Learn SVG
site, or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just bugs me that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via link from its front page). It's something that makes me think the site will succumb to bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already started) and makes me not want to use it. But otherwise, it really is a nice site.
>> >> Thanks, brynn >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- From: >> "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: >> Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM To: >> inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: >> [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG
coding)
>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' >>> submenu at >>> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. >>> There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin >>> links not being transferable from staging to live. Text >>> formatting isn't finished yet, either. >>> >>> The last section, where links to external pages will >>> live, is your realm, Brynn :) >>> >>> For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's >>> and every other developer's help for prompting me with >>> some keywords, and probably people will also have >>> additional remarks for the 'Why...' section. >>> >>> Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions >>> welcome! >>> >>> Regards, Maren >>> >>> Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann: >>>> >>>> Hi Brynn, >>>> >>>> Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn: >>>> >>>>> I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see >>>>> the overview that you were going to write, to get >>>>> some hints about some different search terms. >>>>> (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far, >>>>> I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). >>>>> Although I agree that we probably want to limit the >>>>> "unofficial links", as much as possible. Martin >>>>> replied to me privately (for some reason), saying >>>>> he didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that >>>>> he thinks the new page about SVG should go in >>>>> Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have >>>>> 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll >>>> definitely need some input from Tav for the >>>> specifics... >>>> >>>>> OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a >>>>> website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a >>>>> link to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here >>>>> it is: -- free PDF download: >>>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- >>>>> purchase: >>>> >>>>
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
>>> >>>> >>>>> Those should probably go on Books and Manuals >>>>> page? >>>> >>>> - Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving >>>> up digging! >>>> >>>> Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, >>>> with one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The >>>> principles are probably still the same for the >>>> majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, >>>> and I believe backwards compatibility is something >>>> which is taken seriously by W3C, but many details and >>>> tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be >>>> outdated, and some new functionality must have been >>>> built in in the meantime. There are some nice >>>> nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast >>>> to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll >>>> need to add a hint about the age of the text, and >>>> about the areas where it is still valid, and where it >>>> is not. I can't really judge this, unfortunately. >>>> Another question for Tav, I'm afraid. >>>> >>>> Regards, Maren >>>> >>>> >>>>> All best :-) >>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: >>>>> <brynn@...67...>; "Inkscape-Docs" >>>>> inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: >>>>> [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" >>>>> SVG coding) >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Hi Brynn, >>>> >>>>> finally, I'm back and have some time to write >>>>> something up. >>>> >>>>>>>> Ok :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll >>>>>>>> plan on doing some >>>>> searching, the >>>>>>>> next time I'm back online, and I'll look for >>>>>>>> a new page with intro >>>>> text, if >>>>>>>> you can get it started, Maren. And then >>>>>>>> Maren and I can collaborate from there. >>>>>>>> Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas >>>>>>>> about organizing the page. It may end up >>>>>>>> being just a handful of links, but....well, >>>>>>>> as we've said, at least it will be a start. >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> Do you already have a list of links which should >>>>> be included in the SVG page and/or the SVG >>>>> animation page? And has there been any progress on >>>>> where those pages should end up? It's also possible >>>>> to move a page after it has been created, so if we >>>>> don't know where to put it yet, it's not so >>>>> problematic (Although it would help to know the >>>>> intended audience of a text before writing it...) >>>>> Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished >>>>> (the little red/green sign at the end of the row in >>>>> the pages list should be red), and don't link to >>>>> it before we know where it will live. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> uh-oh.....could the site, the django part >>>>>>>> handle some simple animation of SVG?....maybe >>>>>>>> you guys >>>>> would >>>>>>>> have to set up that part of the page, since I >>>>>>>> don't understand a lot of those django >>>>>>>> plugins? >>>> >>>>> - I think that should work just fine. It only >>>>> depends on browser support, but not on the website. >>>>> A js-based animation made with sozi can be viewed >>>>> by clicking the 'view' button: >>>>> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . >>>>> I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page >>>>> http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as >>>>> I didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed >>>>> directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS based >>>>> animation can be viewed with the view button. >>>> >>>>> Regards, Maren >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go >>>> Parallel Website, sponsored >>>>>> by Intel and developed in partnership with >>>>>> Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things >>>>>> parallel software development, from weekly >>>>>> thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case >>>>>> studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join >>>>>> the conversation now. >>>>>> http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>>>>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go >>> Parallel Website, sponsored >>>> by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot >>>> Media, is your hub >>> for all >>>> things parallel software development, from weekly >>>> thought leadership >>> blogs to >>>> news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take >>>> a look and join the conversation now. >>>> http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
>> Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go >> Parallel Website,
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>>> by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot >>> Media, is your
hub for all
>>> things parallel software development, from weekly >>> thought leadership
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>>> news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a >>> look and join the conversation now. >>> http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
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Hi again, Ok, I've added a handful of links. I found several more tutorials, but keeping the outside/unofficial links to a minimum, I ended the list with a hint to search the internet for more. It will look a lot better when the actual links are made, of course. Input from the community welcomed and appreciated.
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Hi everyone,
I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being transferable from staging to live. Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.
The last section, where links to external pages will live, is your realm, Brynn :)
For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's and every other developer's help for prompting me with some keywords, and probably people will also have additional remarks for the 'Why...' section.
Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions welcome!
Regards, Maren
Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann:
Hi Brynn,
Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn:
I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the overview that you were going to write, to get some hints about some different search terms. (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far, I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that we probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much as possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some reason), saying he didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that he thinks the new page about SVG should go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG.
- Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll definitely need some
input from Tav for the specifics...
OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a link to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here it is: -- free PDF download: http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- purchase:
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
- Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving up digging!
Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, with one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The principles are probably still the same for the majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, and I believe backwards compatibility is something which is taken seriously by W3C, but many details and tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be outdated, and some new functionality must have been built in in the meantime. There are some nice nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll need to add a hint about the age of the text, and about the areas where it is still valid, and where it is not. I can't really judge this, unfortunately. Another question for Tav, I'm afraid.
Regards, Maren
All best :-)
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: <brynn@...67...>; "Inkscape-Docs" inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Hi Brynn,
finally, I'm back and have some time to write something up.
Ok :-)
I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some
searching, the
next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with intro
text, if
you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can collaborate from there. Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas about organizing the page. It may end up being just a handful of links, but....well, as we've said, at least it will be a start.
Do you already have a list of links which should be included in the SVG page and/or the SVG animation page? And has there been any progress on where those pages should end up? It's also possible to move a page after it has been created, so if we don't know where to put it yet, it's not so problematic (Although it would help to know the intended audience of a text before writing it...) Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished (the little red/green sign at the end of the row in the pages list should be red), and don't link to it before we know where it will live.
uh-oh.....could the site, the django part handle some simple animation of SVG?....maybe you guys
would
have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand a lot of those django plugins?
- I think that should work just fine. It only depends on browser
support, but not on the website. A js-based animation made with sozi can be viewed by clicking the 'view' button: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS based animation can be viewed with the view button.
Regards, Maren
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Small correction: the text was published in June 2011. The license is Attribution Non-commercial, but unfortunately, download is behind a paywall. Would have been good if we could have made a backup, just in case it will vanish from the web some day...
Oh, that's too bad! The description in DDG starts with "Free ebook download as PDF file....". But I didn't actually try to download it. It must be a large file! Oh yeah, I see. $9 US for 24 hour access. Well, at least you can still read it for free.
Ok, I will have a look at that page, and get to work, the next time I'm online. I'm just about to log off for now. But I'll be back in touch....Thurs night or Fri morning (my time).
All best :-)
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