> And won't such a new book of tutorials have to be published?
.....
Books done in Scribus can be "published" in a variety of
ways,....
Yes, I understand that. But I thought Victor was talking about a hardback book,
like at the link he provided. That kind of book is hard to get published,
unless you have some prior agreement with a publisher. At least that's my
understanding.
Somewhere in this thread was some discussion about licensing. If this is to be
a hardback book (old fashioned way of publishing) *to me* it makes more sense to
carry a copyright. As far as I understand, publishers take a cut of sales. And
if it's a public domain content, there wouldn't be many sales. It seems like it
would make it even harder to find a publisher.
I don't know, maybe I'm old and old fashioned. But the FLOSS manual, on the
other hand, certainly should be either public domain, or CC-BY-NC-SA might be
better. Whatever it needs to have, to allow the community to edit.
I'm not sure what has the translators on pause. But that seems to be the
"blocker" at the moment. That's why I was asking if there was anything we
non-translators can do to help. I wish I knew anyone I could ask to help, but I
sure don't.
This is probably a bad idea. But I'm trying to think outside the box. What if
I (or other non-French-speaker) took one of the French pages, and sent it
through the public google and/or bing translators. I know those are far from
perfect. (Sooooo far!) But since I know Inkscape, it seems like it would give
me enough of a clue what it's about, to be able to write it properly in English.
Then maybe the translators can proof read it, to make sure something important
wasn't missed? Proof reading would seem to be much less time-consuming for
them.
Would that work??
All best,
brynn
-----Original Message-----
From: C R
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 9:54 AM
To: brynn
Cc: Inkscape-Docs ; Inkscape Devel List ; Maren Hachmann ; Victor Westmann
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material?
(targeting the moon)
I don't mean to slow anyone's roll here. But wouldn't it
make more sense to
put
any kind of energy towards documentation into the much discussed, direly
needed,
user-focused, step by step manual? Rather than starting from scratch on a
whole
different kind of project?
Yea, this actually makes a lot of sense as a first step.
There are many books out there already, which amount to a series of
tutorials.
It's not a bad thing. I just think this kind of project is better suited for
a
single author, or maybe a small team. And I think the project needs the
manual
much, more more than the community needs another book of tutorials.
I agree. I think the book could be a lot of things in one. But I agree
with finishing what we already have before starting something new.
As far as I understand, all that's needed is an English
translation of...well
can't find a link to the French version. Here's a link to whatever has been
translated already:
https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/introduction/
I can't help with translation, unfortunately. But I'd like to see this
finished. So +1 for the suggestion.
Once we have the translation, we'll be off and running to update
and finish
it!
By the way, is there anything those of us who can't translate, can do, to help
the translators?
I volunteer to help this effort in what ways are needed.
And won't such a new book of tutorials have to be published? A
big obstacle
to
writing any book is getting it published. You almost have to have an
invitation
from a publisher to be certain a book will get published. Or publish it
yourself, which is not easy eitiher.
Books done in Scribus can be "published" in a variety of ways, opened
in browsers, laptops, eReaders, or just printed out. We could sell
printed copies along with other Inkscape stuff. Maybe copies signed by
members of the project would be kinda cool. No idea what the market is
for it, but the idea that we could do all of these at once is
attractive, and why I recommend Scribus.
-C
Just my opinion :-)
brynn
-----Original Message-----
From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 4:01 PM
To: Inkscape-Docs ; Inkscape Devel List
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material?
(targeting the moon)
Would it make sense to use gitlab's new subgroups feature for this?
The inkscape-docs team could be a sub-team of Inkscape, that way. There
are only 4 members as of now, so changing wouldn't be so difficult as it
might be later on.
Maren
> Am 28.04.2017 um 16:14 schrieb Martin Owens:
>> On Fri, 2017-04-28 at 12:39 +0100, C R wrote:
>>> I'd love to quit my job and just do docs. :) Unfortunately, that's
>>> what it would probably take to get docs going to the extent we'd
>>> like.
>>> It's been discussed before, but never gone anywhere because of lack
>>> of time/hands involved.
>>>
>>> Yes, we should use Scribus to do it. In fact, it should probably be a
>>> github project to attract contributors. This way we can patch what
>>> needs to be patched when stuff changes in subsequent releases.
>>
>> Sounds like you have a solid step one Chris.
>>
>> Here's the inkscape-docs group on gitlab, EVERYONE should join, there
>> should be a button to join:
>>
>>
https://gitlab.com/inkscape-docs
>>
>> And here's the new book/manual/docs project where files can be put:
>>
>>
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/manuals
>>
>> I recommend using the wiki attached to the project to plan the
>> adventure slowly. Add a bit at a time and don't rush to have something
>> "complete" but have something small produced.
>>
>> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>>
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