Hi Martin,

Yeah, I'm not sure what I did wrong with setting up the page. I could not find the normal page template. It only shows me Front Body, and Column 1, 2 and 3 templates. Thanks for fixing it.

What gallery plugins do you mean? In the editor, I can see about 6 plugins, but none of them use the word "gallery". Maybe I'll make another non-published page, just to try things (without risking what I've already done).

Hhmm, for some of those plugins, it tells me I don't have permission to use them. Can you show me an example of what you mean? I mean, are there instances where they are already in use, so I can see them?

Thanks, brynn

On 11/26/2019 12:34 AM, Martin Owens wrote:

Hi brynn,

I've fixed the page so it's a normal page now.

You can think about using the gallery plugins to show tutorial categories on the page. I recommend collecting together youtube videos and submitting them all (just the youtube links) into galleries. These would allow us to recommend good youtube channels to go to for tutorials.

Let me know if you need guidence on how to set this up.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Mon, 2019-11-25 at 22:51 -0700, brynn wrote:

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Hi Friends,

      I've made a proposed new page which introduces something

new for the website, which is new official tutorials. The page pretty much explains everything. For those who have website editing access, you can see the proposed new page here: https://inkscape.org/tutorials-proposed/?edit&language=en

      For those who don't have editing access, the page gives

guidelines for the tutorials that would be acceptable, and invites contributors. I would also contact all the tutorial authors which I've found while creating Inkscape Community's big listings of tutorials (https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php). And there would either be a new channel in the chatroom for discussing these tutorials...or maybe we would just use the Documentation channel. (I'm not sure.)

      Generally my idea is that authors would submit tutorials,

which I, or anyone else who might be interested, would review, to make sure they meet the guidelines. The tutorials must carry the CC-BY-SA or equivalent license, which would allow the community to edit them, if they ever needed editing in the future.

      Exactly how they get on the website is not set in stone

yet. Currently my thought is that I would type them in myself. If the feature were to become too popular, we might have to go to the proverbial "plan b". Or possibly we could use the gallery, except it would require authors to create PDF files. If we used the gallery, we would not need the license. On the other hand, we would not be able to update the tutorials as needed.

      Anyway, questions and comments are welcome.

Thanks,

brynn

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Thanks Maren!

Oh yeah, those could really work well!

I like the idea of having at least the text tutorials on the website, because they would be translatable to other languages. But that gallery plugin would work so well, I'd be tempted to put the text tutorials in the gallery as well, via PDF files.

It's a tossup. I can't decide.

But thanks again!

brynn

On 11/26/2019 5:28 AM, Maren Hachmann wrote:

Am 26.11.19 um 13:19 schrieb brynn:

...

Hi Martin,

Yeah, I'm not sure what I did wrong with setting up the page.  I could not find the normal page template.  It only shows me Front Body, and Column 1, 2 and 3 templates.  Thanks for fixing it.

What gallery plugins do you mean?  In the editor, I can see about 6 plugins, but none of them use the word "gallery".  Maybe I'll make another non-published page, just to try things (without risking what I've already done).

Hhmm, for some of those plugins, it tells me I don't have permission to use them.  Can you show me an example of what you mean?  I mean, are there instances where they are already in use, so I can see them?

Examples:

https://inkscape.org/community/about-screen-contests/ https://inkscape.org/about/branding/

Maren

...

Thanks, brynn

On 11/26/2019 12:34 AM, Martin Owens wrote:

...

Hi brynn,

I've fixed the page so it's a normal page now.

You can think about using the gallery plugins to show tutorial categories on the page. I recommend collecting together youtube videos and submitting them all (just the youtube links) into galleries. These would allow us to recommend good youtube channels to go to for tutorials.

Let me know if you need guidence on how to set this up.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Mon, 2019-11-25 at 22:51 -0700, brynn wrote:

...

Hi Friends,

I've made a proposed new page which introduces something new for the website, which is new official tutorials.  The page pretty much explains everything.  For those who have website editing access, you can see the proposed new page here: https://inkscape.org/tutorials-proposed/?edit&language=en

For those who don't have editing access, the page gives guidelines for the tutorials that would be acceptable, and invites contributors.  I would also contact all the tutorial authors which I've found while creating Inkscape Community's big listings of tutorials (https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php).%C2%A0 And there would either be a new channel in the chatroom for discussing these tutorials...or maybe we would just use the Documentation channel.  (I'm not sure.)

Generally my idea is that authors would submit tutorials, which I, or anyone else who might be interested, would review, to make sure they meet the guidelines.  The tutorials must carry the CC-BY-SA or equivalent license, which would allow the community to edit them, if they ever needed editing in the future.

Exactly how they get on the website is not set in stone yet. Currently my thought is that I would type them in myself. If the feature were to become too popular, we might have to go to the proverbial "plan b".  Or possibly we could use the gallery, except it would require authors to create PDF files.  If we used the gallery, we would not need the license.  On the other hand, we would not be able to update the tutorials as needed.

Anyway, questions and comments are welcome.

Thanks,

brynn

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Hi Martin and Everyone, In the GL comment (https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/318#note_241739373) were you talking about building community for this, were you thinking making a new chatroom, or using the existing Documentation chatroom?

I think I'm ready to move forward with this. It might not work out in the end, but I think it's at least worth a try. And it might not end up looking the same way as it starts out, but let's see what happens.

For "official tutorials" in text format, I'll type them in myself. The tutorial authors would be giving these to the project (with proper license) so they can be updated if necessary. Since I expect videos will be more popular, and based on past experience, I don't think I'll be overwhelmed. But I have a "plan B" in mind, if it gets to be too much work. For official tutorials in video format, I'd like to use the gallery plugin that Martin mentioned and Maren showed me.

For "officially endorsed" tutorials, those authors would retain ownership, and they remain hosted wherever the author has them hosted. But the authors would have to contact us about having their tutorial endorsed and listed in that section.

First request: For the text tutorials, I'm not sure how to organize it, from the Pages section of the admin panel. The tutorials don't need to be in the menu, but I assume it would be prudent to keep them somehow together. Like say, in the Page Tree, there would be parent section called Text Tutorials (which is not a page itself), and within that section are all the pages with tutorials. Then on the Tutorials page, there will be a text link to each page.

Is there a way to do that? Would I just set up an empty page to represent the parent section? And put all the pages under it. Oh...or I guess they could go under the Tutorial page, as long as they aren't in the menu....right? Or is there a better way to do it?

2nd request: I can't find any way to add the gallery plugin. I've looked at both of the pages Maren showed, to see how they're set up. But I just don't see a "InkSpace Gallery" plugin anywhere. (Plus when I try to edit, it tells me I don't have permissions.) Could someone either tell me how to add the plugin, or else do it for me?

In the proposed new Tutorials page, I put "[gallery plugin here, for videos]" in a gold highlight, to show where they need to go (in 2 places). Also, I guess I need to know how to use them. How do I upload videos into them?

(I looked in my permissions, but there are so many. Plus some that I think I already have, it looks like I don't have. So it's a little confusing, and better to let someone else set that up.)

Once those plugins are in place, and unless someone sees an error, that page will be ready to publish, in the place of the current Tutorials page. And I'll send out an email to all the tutorial authors I know, letting them know about the new page and the chatroom.

One last minor detail. It seems like the section about 'how to participate' should be smaller, since the tutorials should be the main contents. I tried using the Small Inline text style, but oddly, that section still took up exactly the same amount of vertical space - just the text was smaller, but the spacing was larger.

Any suggestions for making that section seem less important? Maybe put it in a small box (table w/ 1 row, 1 col)? Or maybe to make the tutorials above seem more important somehow? If I use the Normal (DIV) would that let me set a text size by editing the source?

Thanks for your help, brynn

On 11/26/2019 12:34 AM, Martin Owens wrote:

Hi brynn,

I've fixed the page so it's a normal page now.

You can think about using the gallery plugins to show tutorial categories on the page. I recommend collecting together youtube videos and submitting them all (just the youtube links) into galleries. These would allow us to recommend good youtube channels to go to for tutorials.

Let me know if you need guidence on how to set this up.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Mon, 2019-11-25 at 22:51 -0700, brynn wrote: