Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Hi all,
So I make the suggestion — :). The English page for the Hackfest 2016 was unpublished, I re-published it without worrying much mainly for these reasons: * the page was still accessible in other languages; * that was a dead link in the English navigation menu; * I have a lack of maturity in managing community projects (as I generally fear communication).
As Maren suggests below, this page should be moved out from the menu (I never did such an act on the Inkscape website, I don't even know if I have the rights to do it), and we may publish a general page about the hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible.
So first, someone should do the move. Then, would you like the general page to come alive? I think that would be a nice thing, as pages from the menu are semantically meant to be quite static — so we could let a page and add updated information when needed with links to news articles. Also, donations for the hackfest seem to remain possible along the year. Consequently, we would need someone to write that page.
Sylvain
Le 27/05/2016 à 00:31, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
Hi Sylvain,
Thank you for looking after the website.
Before you do this kind of change (which is more than a fix), please discuss it on the docs mailing list first.
As the paypal button is still valid, and Inkscape wants to get more donations, it may be preferable to rather create a more general Hackfest donation page than to just add an obsolescence warning.
There's a team, and communication is important. I don't think anyone would object if you made a suggestion on the list.
The process of taking the current year's hackfest page down would also require taking the page out of the menu, and deleting the part that links to it on the SupportUs page (unless it is decided *together* to replace it with a more general page).
Please also don't forget to tell translators about your changes.
Regards, Maren
Am 26.05.2016 um 23:58 schrieb webmaster@...85...:
Dear Maren Hachmann,
you are subscribed to website changes at http://www.inkscape.org. The page 'Hackfest 2016' was changed:
Link: http://www.inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest-2016/ Published by: Sylvain Chiron Language: en
Overview of changes:
Avertissement d'obsolescence Le greffon Lien a été ajouté à la zone normal_template_content Le greffon Lien à la position 5 de la zone normal_template_content a été modifié Le greffon Texte à la position 0 de la zone normal_template_content a été modifié Le greffon Lien a été ajouté à la zone normal_template_content Le greffon Lien à la position 5 de la zone normal_template_content a été modifié
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Hi Sylvain,
thank you very much for posting your suggestion!
Am 27.05.2016 um 02:25 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
Hi all,
So I make the suggestion — :). The English page for the Hackfest 2016 was unpublished
- That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be inaccessible.
, I re-published
- Thanks!!!
it without worrying much mainly for these reasons:
- the page was still accessible in other languages;
- that was a dead link in the English navigation menu;
- This is worrying me. What happened when you clicked on it? The standard page telling you that it can't be found?
As Maren suggests below, this page should be moved out from the menu (I never did such an act on the Inkscape website, I don't even know if I have the rights to do it),
- I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just ping Martin or me to get them).
Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page is as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom out - the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no entry' sign.
and we may publish a general page about the
hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible. So first, someone should do the move.
- I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be published.
Then, would you like the general page to come alive? I think that would be a nice thing, as pages from the menu are semantically meant to be quite static — so we could let a page and add updated information when needed with links to news articles. Also, donations for the hackfest seem to remain possible along the year.
- That's how I understood it. I hope someone else can confirm?
Consequently, we would need someone to write that page.
- Would you like to have a go, Sylvain? Our native speakers (and I, as good as I can) will surely help with proofreading, so you wouldn't need to worry about any 'wrong' phrasing. You could duplicate the current page and take it as a template.
I also think an all-year-round hackfest donation page would be nice :)
What do the others think?
Kind Regards, Maren
Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
- That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the
page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be inaccessible.
I'm so sorry… I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for the Hackfest page in English. I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected English, then the Hackfest menu item. I got the 404 page.
- Thanks!!!
No more 404.
- I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just ping
Martin or me to get them).
Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page is as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom out - the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no entry' sign.
I have two screens, 16:9 and 16:10. 3600 pixels from the left to the right of my computer desktop. I clicked and got the ‘no entry’ sign (a minus sign). But then, nothing… the menu entry is still there.
and we may publish a general page about the
hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible. So first, someone should do the move.
- I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't
need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be published.
The move I referred to is to put the Hackfest 2016 page out of the menu, then out of the ‘Home’ page node, as the Hackfest 2016 page is. Actually… I can do that move, that's just a drag'n'drop. But the menu entry is still here (and it appears next to ‘Support us’ after the move, so I reverted — and the server needs a long time to update its cache, it makes me afraid)…
Consequently, we would need someone to write that page.
- Would you like to have a go, Sylvain? Our native speakers (and I, as
good as I can) will surely help with proofreading, so you wouldn't need to worry about any 'wrong' phrasing. You could duplicate the current page and take it as a template.
Ow, that's already so hard to write an e-mail in English and trying to appear as a credible translator… I'm fluent at reading English but it's hard to bear those moments when I'm stuck because I know I can't express something correctly. Hard life. I may try this weekend if nobody else takes the task. -- Sylvain
Hi Everyone, I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly what it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature created?
Thanks, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
- That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the
page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be inaccessible.
I'm so sorry… I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for the Hackfest page in English. I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected English, then the Hackfest menu item. I got the 404 page.
- Thanks!!!
No more 404.
- I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just ping
Martin or me to get them).
Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page is as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom out - the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no entry' sign.
I have two screens, 16:9 and 16:10. 3600 pixels from the left to the right of my computer desktop. I clicked and got the ‘no entry’ sign (a minus sign). But then, nothing… the menu entry is still there.
and we may publish a general page about the
hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible. So first, someone should do the move.
- I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't
need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be published.
The move I referred to is to put the Hackfest 2016 page out of the menu, then out of the ‘Home’ page node, as the Hackfest 2016 page is. Actually… I can do that move, that's just a drag'n'drop. But the menu entry is still here (and it appears next to ‘Support us’ after the move, so I reverted — and the server needs a long time to update its cache, it makes me afraid)…
Consequently, we would need someone to write that page.
- Would you like to have a go, Sylvain? Our native speakers (and I, as
good as I can) will surely help with proofreading, so you wouldn't need to worry about any 'wrong' phrasing. You could duplicate the current page and take it as a template.
Ow, that's already so hard to write an e-mail in English and trying to appear as a credible translator… I'm fluent at reading English but it's hard to bear those moments when I'm stuck because I know I can't express something correctly. Hard life. I may try this weekend if nobody else takes the task. -- Sylvain
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Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn:
Hi Everyone, I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly what it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature created?
- No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in general.
If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with proofreading?
I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is ready.
There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like these out...).
Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page?
Kind Regards, Maren
Thanks, brynn
From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
- That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the
page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be inaccessible.
I'm so sorry… I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for the Hackfest page in English. I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected English, then the Hackfest menu item. I got the 404 page.
- Thanks!!!
No more 404.
- I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just ping
Martin or me to get them).
Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page is as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom out - the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no entry' sign.
I have two screens, 16:9 and 16:10. 3600 pixels from the left to the right of my computer desktop. I clicked and got the ‘no entry’ sign (a minus sign). But then, nothing… the menu entry is still there.
and we may publish a general page about the
hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible. So first, someone should do the move.
- I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't
need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be published.
The move I referred to is to put the Hackfest 2016 page out of the menu, then out of the ‘Home’ page node, as the Hackfest 2016 page is. Actually… I can do that move, that's just a drag'n'drop. But the menu entry is still here (and it appears next to ‘Support us’ after the move, so I reverted — and the server needs a long time to update its cache, it makes me afraid)…
Consequently, we would need someone to write that page.
- Would you like to have a go, Sylvain? Our native speakers (and I, as
good as I can) will surely help with proofreading, so you wouldn't need to worry about any 'wrong' phrasing. You could duplicate the current page and take it as a template.
Ow, that's already so hard to write an e-mail in English and trying to appear as a credible translator… I'm fluent at reading English but it's hard to bear those moments when I'm stuck because I know I can't express something correctly. Hard life. I may try this weekend if nobody else takes the task. -- Sylvain
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Oh ok. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Where would this new page live?
Yes, I can help with proofing.
Idea (fwiw) What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page? Nothing fancy. Just say when and where, how many hackers. I like the idea of telling users which issues were worked on. Although in a different message thread, Martin didn't think it was necessary. For me, I think it could help drive donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done. It could be very simplistic description.
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:04 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net; "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn:
Hi Everyone, I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly what it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature created?
- No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round
replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in general.
If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with proofreading?
I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is ready.
There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like these out...).
Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page?
Kind Regards, Maren
Thanks, brynn
From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
- That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the
page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be inaccessible.
I'm so sorry… I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for the Hackfest page in English. I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected English, then the Hackfest menu item. I got the 404 page.
- Thanks!!!
No more 404.
- I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just
ping Martin or me to get them).
Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page is as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom out - the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no entry' sign.
I have two screens, 16:9 and 16:10. 3600 pixels from the left to the right of my computer desktop. I clicked and got the ‘no entry’ sign (a minus sign). But then, nothing… the menu entry is still there.
and we may publish a general page about the
hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible. So first, someone should do the move.
- I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't
need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be published.
The move I referred to is to put the Hackfest 2016 page out of the menu, then out of the ‘Home’ page node, as the Hackfest 2016 page is. Actually… I can do that move, that's just a drag'n'drop. But the menu entry is still here (and it appears next to ‘Support us’ after the move, so I reverted — and the server needs a long time to update its cache, it makes me afraid)…
Consequently, we would need someone to write that page.
- Would you like to have a go, Sylvain? Our native speakers (and I, as
good as I can) will surely help with proofreading, so you wouldn't need to worry about any 'wrong' phrasing. You could duplicate the current page and take it as a template.
Ow, that's already so hard to write an e-mail in English and trying to appear as a credible translator… I'm fluent at reading English but it's hard to bear those moments when I'm stuck because I know I can't express something correctly. Hard life. I may try this weekend if nobody else takes the task. -- Sylvain
What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e _______________________________________________ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Le 30/05/2016 à 04:48, Brynn a écrit :
Oh ok. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Where would this new page live?
Yes, I can help with proofing.
Idea (fwiw) What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page? Nothing fancy. Just say when and where, how many hackers. I like the idea of telling users which issues were worked on. Although in a different message thread, Martin didn't think it was necessary. For me, I think it could help drive donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done. It could be very simplistic description.
I would prefer about two lines per past hackfest at most, with a link to the articles in the news about the hackfest. We already have good articles about every hackfest, we don't need more.
I'll try to write that during the coming days. If, on Thursday, I haven't started it yet, I will unlock the semaphore (I don't find the words to say that someone else should do the task; but I have some computing vocabulary). -- Sylvain
OK, here is a draft for the general page about the Hackfest: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest/?edit (Note that you must be connected to see it.)
I barely wrote anything actually; mostly removed what was specific to this year and moved the sentences for something more generic. I only added two sentences with a list in the middle.
Is it enough? I edited the French page symmetrically.
Sylvain
Le 30/05/2016 à 04:48, Brynn a écrit :
Oh ok. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Where would this new page live?
Yes, I can help with proofing.
Idea (fwiw) What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page? Nothing fancy. Just say when and where, how many hackers. I like the idea of telling users which issues were worked on. Although in a different message thread, Martin didn't think it was necessary. For me, I think it could help drive donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done. It could be very simplistic description.
All best, brynn
From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:04 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net; "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn:
Hi Everyone, I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly what it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature created?
- No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round
replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in general.
If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with proofreading?
I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is ready.
There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like these out...).
Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page?
Kind Regards, Maren
Thanks, brynn
From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
- That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the
page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be inaccessible.
I'm so sorry… I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for the Hackfest page in English. I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected English, then the Hackfest menu item. I got the 404 page.
- Thanks!!!
No more 404.
- I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just
ping Martin or me to get them).
Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page is as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom out - the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no entry' sign.
I have two screens, 16:9 and 16:10. 3600 pixels from the left to the right of my computer desktop. I clicked and got the ‘no entry’ sign (a minus sign). But then, nothing… the menu entry is still there.
and we may publish a general page about the
hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible. So first, someone should do the move.
- I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't
need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be published.
The move I referred to is to put the Hackfest 2016 page out of the menu, then out of the ‘Home’ page node, as the Hackfest 2016 page is. Actually… I can do that move, that's just a drag'n'drop. But the menu entry is still here (and it appears next to ‘Support us’ after the move, so I reverted — and the server needs a long time to update its cache, it makes me afraid)…
Consequently, we would need someone to write that page.
- Would you like to have a go, Sylvain? Our native speakers (and I, as
good as I can) will surely help with proofreading, so you wouldn't need to worry about any 'wrong' phrasing. You could duplicate the current page and take it as a template.
Ow, that's already so hard to write an e-mail in English and trying to appear as a credible translator… I'm fluent at reading English but it's hard to bear those moments when I'm stuck because I know I can't express something correctly. Hard life. I may try this weekend if nobody else takes the task. -- Sylvain
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Great, thank you, Sylvain!
A few suggestions:
- Maybe it's better to use plural in the heading and at the bottom, where it says 'can attend the hackfest'? Same goes for the text at the bottom that tells us about what the money will be used for when there's more than needed for the hackfest - needs to be adapted. - neither the number of days a hackfest lasts, its co-location with LGM or that it only happens once a year are fixed. There have been discussions going on about changing any of them, so we should leave those concrete data points out, and use something more general ('some days', and for the location, maybe leave that out entirely).
Would you put those in, Sylvain? Brynn (and everyone else), anything else we'd need to make it nicer?
Kind Regards, Maren
Am 30.05.2016 um 22:59 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
OK, here is a draft for the general page about the Hackfest: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest/?edit (Note that you must be connected to see it.)
I barely wrote anything actually; mostly removed what was specific to this year and moved the sentences for something more generic. I only added two sentences with a list in the middle.
Is it enough? I edited the French page symmetrically.
Sylvain
Le 30/05/2016 à 04:48, Brynn a écrit :
Oh ok. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Where would this new page live?
Yes, I can help with proofing.
Idea (fwiw) What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page? Nothing fancy. Just say when and where, how many hackers. I like the idea of telling users which issues were worked on. Although in a different message thread, Martin didn't think it was necessary. For me, I think it could help drive donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done. It could be very simplistic description.
All best, brynn
From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:04 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net; "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn:
Hi Everyone, I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly what it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature created?
- No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round
replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in general.
If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with proofreading?
I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is ready.
There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like these out...).
Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page?
Kind Regards, Maren
Thanks, brynn
From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
- That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the
page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be inaccessible.
I'm so sorry… I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for the Hackfest page in English. I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected English, then the Hackfest menu item. I got the 404 page.
- Thanks!!!
No more 404.
- I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just
ping Martin or me to get them).
Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page is as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom out - the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no entry' sign.
I have two screens, 16:9 and 16:10. 3600 pixels from the left to the right of my computer desktop. I clicked and got the ‘no entry’ sign (a minus sign). But then, nothing… the menu entry is still there.
and we may publish a general page about the > hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible. > So first, someone should do the move.
- I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't
need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be published.
The move I referred to is to put the Hackfest 2016 page out of the menu, then out of the ‘Home’ page node, as the Hackfest 2016 page is. Actually… I can do that move, that's just a drag'n'drop. But the menu entry is still here (and it appears next to ‘Support us’ after the move, so I reverted — and the server needs a long time to update its cache, it makes me afraid)…
> Consequently, we would need someone to write that page.
- Would you like to have a go, Sylvain? Our native speakers (and I, as
good as I can) will surely help with proofreading, so you wouldn't need to worry about any 'wrong' phrasing. You could duplicate the current page and take it as a template.
Ow, that's already so hard to write an e-mail in English and trying to appear as a credible translator… I'm fluent at reading English but it's hard to bear those moments when I'm stuck because I know I can't express something correctly. Hard life. I may try this weekend if nobody else takes the task. -- Sylvain
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Le 31/05/2016 à 01:03, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
Great, thank you, Sylvain!
A few suggestions:
- Maybe it's better to use plural in the heading and at the bottom,
where it says 'can attend the hackfest'?
I agree for the sentence at the bottom. For the heading… I think you're right too, seeing how the page is written (I didn't see it like that first). In fact… I think the word ‘hackfest’ should appear more clearly in the content. Corrected.
Same goes for the text at the bottom that tells us about what the money will be used for when there's more than needed for the hackfest - needs to be adapted.
Oh, yes. I adapted it on the French page but I completely forgot to do it on the English page. I changed two words; not sure I can be more precise at my position.
- neither the number of days a hackfest lasts, its co-location with LGM
or that it only happens once a year are fixed. There have been discussions going on about changing any of them, so we should leave those concrete data points out, and use something more general ('some days', and for the location, maybe leave that out entirely).
Ow. I like generalities and rules. What do you refer to with ‘the location’? Do you mean I shouldn't write the place where each hackfest was in the list?
Would you put those in, Sylvain?
You're talking about your remarks? Yes, changes applied.
Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ the hackfest is introduced as an annual event.
Brynn (and everyone else), anything else we'd need to make it nicer?
Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
Yes, changes applied.
- Thank you, Sylvain!
I've updated the bottom paragraph about where the money goes when it's not needed for hackfests, so in case the board decides we do not need a separate 'box' for hackfest money, it remains all clear to the users what their money will be used for.
Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ the hackfest is introduced as an annual event.
- Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page.
@Brynn: would you have a look when you can and tell us if you would like to see any changes to that page?
Thanks everyone!
Kind Regards, Maren
Le 31/05/2016 à 19:14, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ the hackfest is introduced as an annual event.
- Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page.
I suggest a new text about the hackfests on this page: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit
I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason?
@Brynn: would you have a look when you can and tell us if you would like to see any changes to that page?
-- Sylvain
On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 22:17 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason?
Unless you insert a no-breaking-space ( ) into the document, all spaces in html are counted as one space. The wysiwyg editor is the only thing capable of inserting anything more.
Rule wise, two spaces are not needed, we can always recode two spaces formatting via code we want it later. A single space should be enough.
Martin,
Am 31.05.2016 um 22:31 schrieb Martin Owens:
On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 22:17 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason?
Unless you insert a no-breaking-space ( ) into the document, all spaces in html are counted as one space. The wysiwyg editor is the only thing capable of inserting anything more.
Rule wise, two spaces are not needed, we can always recode two spaces formatting via code we want it later. A single space should be enough.
Martin,
The rule stems from old type-writer times, and some of our editors used type-writers before they used computers. It's just a matter of taste, and it's not necessary to remove the double spaces. Just write your new contents as you would normally do.
Kind Regards, Maren
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Le 31/05/2016 à 22:37, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
Am 31.05.2016 um 22:31 schrieb Martin Owens:
On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 22:17 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason?
Unless you insert a no-breaking-space ( ) into the document, all spaces in html are counted as one space. The wysiwyg editor is the only thing capable of inserting anything more.
Actually, the WYSIWYG editor always morphes sequences of spaces to space + for each following space. That means people wrote those two spaces.
Rule wise, two spaces are not needed, we can always recode two spaces formatting via code we want it later. A single space should be enough.
The rule stems from old type-writer times, and some of our editors used type-writers before they used computers. It's just a matter of taste, and it's not necessary to remove the double spaces. Just write your new contents as you would normally do.
Le 31/05/2016 à 22:57, Brynn a écrit :
Those from my generation see a double-space after a period to be correct punctuation. However, those who invented computers thought they could get by without it. And so that very simple step, which makes reading large chunks of text much, much easier, is lost from the world.
Okay, funny fact.
I think it's actually considered to be a bug in django that the 2nd space is created. Most of the rest of the internet ignores it.
It's not a bug, it's a feature: it should be possible to write consecutive spaces in a rendered document, and then the WYSIWYG editor deals with that. Consecutive spaces are usually ignored in HTML as they are is most programming languages (Whitespace and derivatives may be the only exceptions), but you can render several consecutive spaces by inserting non-breakable spaces. I think every HTML WYSIWYG editor should include this feature of inserting non-breakable spaces when several spaces are typed (in theory) — you may find it in other editors, e.g. Microsoft Outlook Express which is the only example I can find in my memory.
I actually type the double-space automatically (old dogs and new tricks, you know). But I'm pretty sure Maren has scoured the entire website, an eliminated any double-spaces. Where do you see them?
* https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit_off Hackfest and Funded Development sections. * https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/ Just use Ctrl+F and type ‘ ’, you'll find many.
Not sure it is so useful to list everything this evening… I don't see why it would be necessary to scour the website about that, but as it questions me, it could also question the visitors… You may provide a link on the FAQ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typewriter#Typewriter_conventions
(See how I'm interested in the typographic thing.)
I tried to look at the page, but I only get Page Not Found. Yes, I'm logged in.
Be sure to be in edit mode. The links I provided should work if you click them /after/ you logged in to the Inkscape website with your browser.
Is it OK now? -- Sylvain
Okay, funny fact.
To be honest, I see it as sad (not to mention, a little bit illiterate).
I don't find any double-spaces on Funded Development page, or Hackfest page either. Not even using Find. I could show screenshots.
I wonder if there's some way that your browser is causing this? Or otherwise something on your end is causing the problem? I don't see a any double-spaces anywhere on the site.
(This part is a little funny. When I first found out about this, I was purposely inserting a double-space after a period (and after a colon too).
From my point of view, it's proper punctuation. At that time, I was working
on several different pages for the website. I would edit one day, and the next day, all my double-spaces were gone. It turns out Maren was going through right behind me, and removing them. Later, I tried to sneak one in, just to find out how long it would take her to find it. And the answer - just a few hours!)
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:28 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Le 31/05/2016 à 22:37, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
Am 31.05.2016 um 22:31 schrieb Martin Owens:
On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 22:17 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason?
Unless you insert a no-breaking-space ( ) into the document, all spaces in html are counted as one space. The wysiwyg editor is the only thing capable of inserting anything more.
Actually, the WYSIWYG editor always morphes sequences of spaces to space
- for each following space. That means people wrote those two
spaces.
Rule wise, two spaces are not needed, we can always recode two spaces formatting via code we want it later. A single space should be enough.
The rule stems from old type-writer times, and some of our editors used type-writers before they used computers. It's just a matter of taste, and it's not necessary to remove the double spaces. Just write your new contents as you would normally do.
Le 31/05/2016 à 22:57, Brynn a écrit :
Those from my generation see a double-space after a period to be correct punctuation. However, those who invented computers thought they could get by without it. And so that very simple step, which makes reading large chunks of text much, much easier, is lost from the world.
Okay, funny fact.
I think it's actually considered to be a bug in django that the 2nd space is created. Most of the rest of the internet ignores it.
It's not a bug, it's a feature: it should be possible to write consecutive spaces in a rendered document, and then the WYSIWYG editor deals with that. Consecutive spaces are usually ignored in HTML as they are is most programming languages (Whitespace and derivatives may be the only exceptions), but you can render several consecutive spaces by inserting non-breakable spaces. I think every HTML WYSIWYG editor should include this feature of inserting non-breakable spaces when several spaces are typed (in theory) — you may find it in other editors, e.g. Microsoft Outlook Express which is the only example I can find in my memory.
I actually type the double-space automatically (old dogs and new tricks, you know). But I'm pretty sure Maren has scoured the entire website, an eliminated any double-spaces. Where do you see them?
Hackfest and Funded Development sections.
Just use Ctrl+F and type ‘ ’, you'll find many.
Not sure it is so useful to list everything this evening… I don't see why it would be necessary to scour the website about that, but as it questions me, it could also question the visitors… You may provide a link on the FAQ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typewriter#Typewriter_conventions
(See how I'm interested in the typographic thing.)
I tried to look at the page, but I only get Page Not Found. Yes, I'm logged in.
Be sure to be in edit mode. The links I provided should work if you click them /after/ you logged in to the Inkscape website with your browser.
Is it OK now?
Sylvain
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On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 23:41 -0600, Brynn wrote:
To be honest, I see it as sad (not to mention, a little bit illiterate).
I think there's more acceptance that English is a language of consensus and not as prescriptive as children were taught in school in previous generations. For example people in the USA and UK can't agree if a comma is required between every and, or, and but.
This is a marked departure from 'proper' since it's very hard to say what is proper when the language is naturally evolving as it's used in different spaces like text messages, websites and etcetera.
So long as the text is a) Understandable and b) presentable; the actual grammar rules are up to the writer to a large degree.
(the docs team might have different rules, but while I'm currently acting web master, these are my thoughts on website content)
Best Regards, Martin Owens
"On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 23:41 -0600, Brynn wrote:
To be honest, I see it as sad (not to mention, a little bit illiterate).
I think there's more acceptance that English is a language of consensus ..... (the docs team might have different rules, but while I'm currently acting web master, these are my thoughts on website content)"
Oh, well I'm not arguing that things should be different for the Inkscape project or website than they are for the rest of the internet. My strength and energy for going against the flow is long past.
When I said "I see it as" I meant that's my opinion, and not that I think there should be any change. Maybe I should have been more clear about that. I didn't mean to offend anyone.
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...2...> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:41 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net; "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Am 31.05.2016 um 22:17 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
Le 31/05/2016 à 19:14, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ the hackfest is introduced as an annual event.
- Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page.
I suggest a new text about the hackfests on this page: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit
- Looks fine, thank you, Sylvain. I've edited it a tiny bit to make it a bit more 'personal'. I think when our native speaker(s) has (have) taken a look, both pages can be published.
Regards, Maren
I tried to look at the page, but I only get Page Not Found. Yes, I'm logged in.
Those from my generation see a double-space after a period to be correct punctuation. However, those who invented computers thought they could get by without it. And so that very simple step, which makes reading large chunks of text much, much easier, is lost from the world.
I think it's actually considered to be a bug in django that the 2nd space is created. Most of the rest of the internet ignores it.
I actually type the double-space automatically (old dogs and new tricks, you know). But I'm pretty sure Maren has scoured the entire website, an eliminated any double-spaces. Where do you see them?
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:17 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Le 31/05/2016 à 19:14, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ the hackfest is introduced as an annual event.
- Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page.
I suggest a new text about the hackfests on this page: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit
I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason?
@Brynn: would you have a look when you can and tell us if you would like to see any changes to that page?
-- Sylvain
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@Brynn:
It's these two pages:
https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit (or get there via the menu: Support us, then switch to edit mode)
https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfests/?edit (or get there via the 'Pages' overview in the admin interface, in Home -> Support Us -> Hackfests, then click on the 'eye' icon in the corresponding row)
Kind Regards, Maren
Am 31.05.2016 um 22:57 schrieb Brynn:
I tried to look at the page, but I only get Page Not Found. Yes, I'm logged in.
Those from my generation see a double-space after a period to be correct punctuation. However, those who invented computers thought they could get by without it. And so that very simple step, which makes reading large chunks of text much, much easier, is lost from the world.
I think it's actually considered to be a bug in django that the 2nd space is created. Most of the rest of the internet ignores it.
I actually type the double-space automatically (old dogs and new tricks, you know). But I'm pretty sure Maren has scoured the entire website, an eliminated any double-spaces. Where do you see them?
All best, brynn
From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:17 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Le 31/05/2016 à 19:14, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ the hackfest is introduced as an annual event.
- Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page.
I suggest a new text about the hackfests on this page: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit
I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason?
@Brynn: would you have a look when you can and tell us if you would like to see any changes to that page?
-- Sylvain
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I have it now. The original link Sylvain gave was missing 1 letter. But I have it now.
One thing I don't get. I thought the reason for this page was to explain about Hackfest, separate from asking for donations. But it still is asking for donations.
What happens when it's time for the next Hackfest? Will this page go back into the menu? I'm confused.
In any case, I don't see any problems on that page. Everything looks good.
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:59 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
OK, here is a draft for the general page about the Hackfest: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest/?edit (Note that you must be connected to see it.)
I barely wrote anything actually; mostly removed what was specific to this year and moved the sentences for something more generic. I only added two sentences with a list in the middle.
Is it enough? I edited the French page symmetrically.
Sylvain
Le 30/05/2016 à 04:48, Brynn a écrit :
Oh ok. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Where would this new page live?
Yes, I can help with proofing.
Idea (fwiw) What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page? Nothing fancy. Just say when and where, how many hackers. I like the idea of telling users which issues were worked on. Although in a different message thread, Martin didn't think it was necessary. For me, I think it could help drive donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done. It could be very simplistic description.
All best, brynn
From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:04 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net; "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn:
Hi Everyone, I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly what it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature created?
- No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round
replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in general.
If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with proofreading?
I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is ready.
There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like these out...).
Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page?
Kind Regards, Maren
Thanks, brynn
From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
- That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the
page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be inaccessible.
I'm so sorry… I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for the Hackfest page in English. I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected English, then the Hackfest menu item. I got the 404 page.
- Thanks!!!
No more 404.
- I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just
ping Martin or me to get them).
Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page is as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom out - the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no entry' sign.
I have two screens, 16:9 and 16:10. 3600 pixels from the left to the right of my computer desktop. I clicked and got the ‘no entry’ sign (a minus sign). But then, nothing… the menu entry is still there.
and we may publish a general page about the > hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible. > So first, someone should do the move.
- I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't
need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be published.
The move I referred to is to put the Hackfest 2016 page out of the menu, then out of the ‘Home’ page node, as the Hackfest 2016 page is. Actually… I can do that move, that's just a drag'n'drop. But the menu entry is still here (and it appears next to ‘Support us’ after the move, so I reverted — and the server needs a long time to update its cache, it makes me afraid)…
> Consequently, we would need someone to write that page.
- Would you like to have a go, Sylvain? Our native speakers (and I,
as good as I can) will surely help with proofreading, so you wouldn't need to worry about any 'wrong' phrasing. You could duplicate the current page and take it as a template.
Ow, that's already so hard to write an e-mail in English and trying to appear as a credible translator… I'm fluent at reading English but it's hard to bear those moments when I'm stuck because I know I can't express something correctly. Hard life. I may try this weekend if nobody else takes the task. -- Sylvain
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Hi Brynn,
Am 01.06.2016 um 07:16 schrieb Brynn:
What happens when it's time for the next Hackfest? Will this page go back into the menu? I'm confused.
- The page can be unpublished or moved, and we can make one for the currently active Hackfest. And after that's over, we can dig the general page out again and have it generate some donations (hopefully). Or if the board decides it's not needed, we'll just take it out completely.
In any case, I don't see any problems on that page. Everything looks good.
- Thank you for reviewing, Brynn!
@Sylvain: Thanks for helping with the website updates!
I'm going to publish them both now and inform translators of the change.
Kind Regards, Maren
All best, brynn
From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:59 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
OK, here is a draft for the general page about the Hackfest: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest/?edit (Note that you must be connected to see it.)
I barely wrote anything actually; mostly removed what was specific to this year and moved the sentences for something more generic. I only added two sentences with a list in the middle.
Is it enough? I edited the French page symmetrically.
Sylvain
Le 30/05/2016 à 04:48, Brynn a écrit :
Oh ok. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Where would this new page live?
Yes, I can help with proofing.
Idea (fwiw) What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page? Nothing fancy. Just say when and where, how many hackers. I like the idea of telling users which issues were worked on. Although in a different message thread, Martin didn't think it was necessary. For me, I think it could help drive donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done. It could be very simplistic description.
All best, brynn
From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...68...> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:04 AM To: "Brynn" <brynn@...78...>; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net; "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn:
Hi Everyone, I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly what it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature created?
- No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round
replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in general.
If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with proofreading?
I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is ready.
There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like these out...).
Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page?
Kind Regards, Maren
Thanks, brynn
From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit : > - That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the > page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. > I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/ > > If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we > can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be > inaccessible.
I'm so sorry… I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for the Hackfest page in English. I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected English, then the Hackfest menu item. I got the 404 page.
> - Thanks!!!
No more 404.
> - I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just > ping > Martin or me to get them). > > Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page > is > as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's > really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom > out - > the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on > the > check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no > entry' sign.
I have two screens, 16:9 and 16:10. 3600 pixels from the left to the right of my computer desktop. I clicked and got the ‘no entry’ sign (a minus sign). But then, nothing… the menu entry is still there.
> and we may publish a general page about the >> hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible. >> So first, someone should do the move. > > - I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't > need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be > published.
The move I referred to is to put the Hackfest 2016 page out of the menu, then out of the ‘Home’ page node, as the Hackfest 2016 page is. Actually… I can do that move, that's just a drag'n'drop. But the menu entry is still here (and it appears next to ‘Support us’ after the move, so I reverted — and the server needs a long time to update its cache, it makes me afraid)…
>> Consequently, we would need someone to write that page. > > - Would you like to have a go, Sylvain? Our native speakers (and I, > as > good as I can) will surely help with proofreading, so you wouldn't > need > to worry about any 'wrong' phrasing. You could duplicate the current > page and take it as a template.
Ow, that's already so hard to write an e-mail in English and trying to appear as a credible translator… I'm fluent at reading English but it's hard to bear those moments when I'm stuck because I know I can't express something correctly. Hard life. I may try this weekend if nobody else takes the task. -- Sylvain
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Le 01/06/2016 à 19:47, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
Am 01.06.2016 um 07:16 schrieb Brynn:
I have it now. The original link Sylvain gave was missing 1 letter. But I have it now.
Sorry… That means I sent the link and pluralized the name of the page just after. Not really clever…
What happens when it's time for the next Hackfest? Will this page go back into the menu? I'm confused.
- The page can be unpublished or moved, and we can make one for the
currently active Hackfest. And after that's over, we can dig the general page out again and have it generate some donations (hopefully). Or if the board decides it's not needed, we'll just take it out completely.
I wasn't seeing it like that… My idea, when the next hackfest is coming, was simply to keep the general page, and to add an updated sentence telling ‘Next hackfest will be ………’, with a link to a news article giving more details, and possibly a link to the wiki if the news article does not itself contain such a link.
Talking about the wiki, I wanted to link to it when writing the page about the hackfests, but all pages concerning them were linked to a specific year; there was no general one. Not even a Category:Hackfests (which I can't create myself since I haven't got an account on the wiki yet). It would be useful at least for the part ’You may consider attending yourself?’
In any case, I don't see any problems on that page. Everything looks good.
@Sylvain: Thanks for helping with the website updates!
That means I can write English after all. Good.
I don't find any double-spaces on Funded Development page, or Hackfest page either. Not even using Find. I could show screenshots.
I was not talking about those pages themselves, but the small sections in the Support Us page: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/
I wrote a new version for the Hackfests sections so the double-spaces are gone, but look carefully between the two sentences in the Funded Development section.
In the FAQ, there are many double-spaces (but not everywhere): https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/ You should find them easily using your browser's text search feature; although there are some bugs in Firefox with it (the highlighted text is not always directly visible). In Chromium, it works better.
Better examples: * https://inkscape.org/en/community/ * https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/report-bugs/ (also many double-spaces around the links)
Is it enough?
I wonder if there's some way that your browser is causing this? Or otherwise something on your end is causing the problem? I don't see a any double-spaces anywhere on the site.
Really strange…
(This part is a little funny. When I first found out about this, I was purposely inserting a double-space after a period (and after a colon too). From my point of view, it's proper punctuation. At that time, I was working on several different pages for the website. I would edit one day, and the next day, all my double-spaces were gone. It turns out Maren was going through right behind me, and removing them. Later, I tried to sneak one in, just to find out how long it would take her to find it. And the answer - just a few hours!)
Ow… But I still see some. ‘Maren’ is a girl's name? Those foreign names are really unclear. Just like the profile pictures. -- Sylvain
Hi Sylvain,
Am 01.06.2016 um 22:50 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
- The page can be unpublished or moved, and we can make one for the
currently active Hackfest. And after that's over, we can dig the general page out again and have it generate some donations (hopefully). Or if the board decides it's not needed, we'll just take it out completely.
I wasn't seeing it like that… My idea, when the next hackfest is coming, was simply to keep the general page, and to add an updated sentence telling ‘Next hackfest will be ………’, with a link to a news article giving more details, and possibly a link to the wiki if the news article does not itself contain such a link.
- That would be a viable option, too.
Talking about the wiki, I wanted to link to it when writing the page about the hackfests, but all pages concerning them were linked to a specific year; there was no general one. Not even a Category:Hackfests (which I can't create myself since I haven't got an account on the wiki yet). It would be useful at least for the part ’You may consider attending yourself?’
- I think we can skip that part, as it is already a part of the year-specific Hackfest page (or we can insert into the Hackfest*s* page). It's fine as it is right now.
Kind Regards, Maren
Well yeah, there might be an extra space at "....project. In this way...." Maybe she gave up on it? You know, I might not be the only one who has this habit, because a lot of that text with double-spaces, I didn't write it.
I guess you can just fix them when you find them, if they're bothersome. Better would be if Django just didn't put them in, because at my age, changing how I type isn't likely to happen.
I don't know if "Maren" is boy's or girl's name, since I'm not familiar with German, or even European culture. But the person behind the name is a woman. And me too (although I've been told that in Europe, "brynn" can be male or female name - like Chris, Tracy, Jessie, etc.).
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:50 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Le 01/06/2016 à 19:47, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
Am 01.06.2016 um 07:16 schrieb Brynn:
I have it now. The original link Sylvain gave was missing 1 letter. But I have it now.
Sorry… That means I sent the link and pluralized the name of the page just after. Not really clever…
What happens when it's time for the next Hackfest? Will this page go back into the menu? I'm confused.
- The page can be unpublished or moved, and we can make one for the
currently active Hackfest. And after that's over, we can dig the general page out again and have it generate some donations (hopefully). Or if the board decides it's not needed, we'll just take it out completely.
I wasn't seeing it like that… My idea, when the next hackfest is coming, was simply to keep the general page, and to add an updated sentence telling ‘Next hackfest will be ………’, with a link to a news article giving more details, and possibly a link to the wiki if the news article does not itself contain such a link.
Talking about the wiki, I wanted to link to it when writing the page about the hackfests, but all pages concerning them were linked to a specific year; there was no general one. Not even a Category:Hackfests (which I can't create myself since I haven't got an account on the wiki yet). It would be useful at least for the part ’You may consider attending yourself?’
In any case, I don't see any problems on that page. Everything looks good.
@Sylvain: Thanks for helping with the website updates!
That means I can write English after all. Good.
I don't find any double-spaces on Funded Development page, or Hackfest page either. Not even using Find. I could show screenshots.
I was not talking about those pages themselves, but the small sections in the Support Us page: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/
I wrote a new version for the Hackfests sections so the double-spaces are gone, but look carefully between the two sentences in the Funded Development section.
In the FAQ, there are many double-spaces (but not everywhere): https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/ You should find them easily using your browser's text search feature; although there are some bugs in Firefox with it (the highlighted text is not always directly visible). In Chromium, it works better.
Better examples:
double-spaces around the links)
Is it enough?
I wonder if there's some way that your browser is causing this? Or otherwise something on your end is causing the problem? I don't see a any double-spaces anywhere on the site.
Really strange…
(This part is a little funny. When I first found out about this, I was purposely inserting a double-space after a period (and after a colon too). From my point of view, it's proper punctuation. At that time, I was working on several different pages for the website. I would edit one day, and the next day, all my double-spaces were gone. It turns out Maren was going through right behind me, and removing them. Later, I tried to sneak one in, just to find out how long it would take her to find it. And the answer - just a few hours!)
Ow… But I still see some. ‘Maren’ is a girl's name? Those foreign names are really unclear. Just like the profile pictures. -- Sylvain
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Le 02/06/2016 à 18:50, Brynn a écrit :
Well yeah, there might be an extra space at "....project. In this way...." Maybe she gave up on it? You know, I might not be the only one who has this habit, because a lot of that text with double-spaces, I didn't write it.
Indeed I thought you couldn't be the only one.
I guess you can just fix them when you find them, if they're bothersome. Better would be if Django just didn't put them in, because at my age, changing how I type isn't likely to happen.
I would consider it as a bug. Then, if it can help other readers to skip this wondering, I'll correct that, even if I must use Chromium for it. That's true it is more difficult to distinguish sentences when ? and ! are followed by a single space… But I rarely seen the double-space rule elsewhere. Chromium has a recent strange graphic fact: hovering its buttons (in the toolbars or the ‘find’ interface) draws a square box, then activating it (clicking) morphes the square into a disc (which looks bigger, being circumscribed to the previous square). That's a bit disturbing. A problem is: when I erase one of this spaces, the remaining one is often a no-break space… Another typographic habit that bothers me is the use of narrow dashes ‘-’ or double-narrow dashes ‘-’. We're in the epoch of Unicode, we can put em dashes ‘—’ (or en dashes ‘–’ e.g. for intervals).
I don't know if "Maren" is boy's or girl's name, since I'm not familiar with German, or even European culture. But the person behind the name is a woman. And me too (although I've been told that in Europe, "brynn" can be male or female name - like Chris, Tracy, Jessie, etc.).
To me, ‘Brynn’ looked like ‘Bryce’; but I noticed you were referred to as a woman. I was used to fully masculine teams in computer projects so having a woman as a team leader is a nice thing. I think the star on this page means ‘leader’: https://inkscape.org/en/*translator -- Sylvain
Dear Brynn and Sylvain,
Am 02.06.2016 um 23:43 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
Le 02/06/2016 à 18:50, Brynn a écrit :
Well yeah, there might be an extra space at "....project. In this way...." Maybe she gave up on it?
- I didn't give up on it, I just accepted it as a fact of life that styles may be different. It might have taken me some time and I apologize for that, but ultimately, the only thing that matters to me is that we have good, reliable, correct information on the website and that it is readable and understandable, and also that there are people who will enjoy taking care of this.
A problem is: when I erase one of this spaces, the remaining one is often a no-break space…
- Sylvain, I think in that case, to avoid any collateral damage (sentences no longer flowing or flowing out of the frame), it may be advisable to use search and replace in the source code of the pages.
I was used to fully masculine teams in computer projects so having a woman as a team leader is a nice thing.
- Well, thanks for that, and sorry for the lack of diversity in your projects. I personally expect my gender to not make any difference here, and to not be a topic for the documentation mailing list.
I think the star on this page means ‘leader’: https://inkscape.org/en/*translator
- It means 'Admin', which is a term that in my view describes someone with a specific set of responsibilities, just like any other team member has.
Regards, Maren
Le 03/06/2016 à 00:18, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
A problem is: when I erase one of this double-spaces, the remaining one is often a no-break space…
- Sylvain, I think in that case, to avoid any collateral damage
(sentences no longer flowing or flowing out of the frame), it may be advisable to use search and replace in the source code of the pages.
This is done, of course. Sorry for all that bit misplaced previous discussion. I'll go back to more important things in a next message, also addressed to the translators.
(Just see: https://gcc.prologin.org/ how we're trying.) -- Sylvain
Wow, can't you disable that in your browser. I would tolerate that for about a half-second! Is Chromium the same thing as Chrome? It must be different. But are they related?
Oh! Doesn't django much have a find/replace? I don't see it. But if there is, you could search for  , and search again for space , and space, and replace with the correct thing.
Oh!! You could take the html (souce) out to a text editor, and do it there. Then paste back in. When I first started working with django, that was my workflow. Because in the Very beginning, the source wasn't even formatted. The html just wrapped and wrapped. So I pasted into a text editor to get some minimum formatting.
I still don't think it formats. But at least it doesn't wrap anymore. But if you do that, be sure to back up the page first. Just in case :-) They're all outdated now, but for a while, I had 8 or 10 pages backed up locally. I don't have the whole website, like Maren does (because I don't have any need or skills for it). But I had a bunch of pages.
Why does the dashes bother you? Because people use them too much? In personal writing, I use them a lot. But since it's not official, I guess it doesn't matter. I think it's ok to use once in a while on the website. I wouldn't use more than twice on the same page. But only if I couldn't think of any other way. Mostly I would only use once or not at all.
Yeah, in forums, people almost always call me "man" or refer to with "he". Even on the mailing list once or twice. I used to have a Celtic knot or endless knot for my forum avatar. But I changed it to a flower, to try and appear more feminine. It didn't help at all! Maybe a sunflower is too masculine? Maybe I need a more delicate flower? What's a delicate flower? Rose? Poppies are pretty delicate....maybe dahlia? Dahlia would be a good username! But I'm rambling....
I'm not sure if that asterisk in front of her name means leader, or if it's just different username or account. Maybe it is. All the other teams either have only 1 person with asterisk, or none. I'd say that's a good guess :-)
All best, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylvain@...102...> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:43 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Le 02/06/2016 à 18:50, Brynn a écrit :
Well yeah, there might be an extra space at "....project. In this way...." Maybe she gave up on it? You know, I might not be the only one who has this habit, because a lot of that text with double-spaces, I didn't write it.
Indeed I thought you couldn't be the only one.
I guess you can just fix them when you find them, if they're bothersome. Better would be if Django just didn't put them in, because at my age, changing how I type isn't likely to happen.
I would consider it as a bug. Then, if it can help other readers to skip this wondering, I'll correct that, even if I must use Chromium for it. That's true it is more difficult to distinguish sentences when ? and ! are followed by a single space… But I rarely seen the double-space rule elsewhere. Chromium has a recent strange graphic fact: hovering its buttons (in the toolbars or the ‘find’ interface) draws a square box, then activating it (clicking) morphes the square into a disc (which looks bigger, being circumscribed to the previous square). That's a bit disturbing. A problem is: when I erase one of this spaces, the remaining one is often a no-break space… Another typographic habit that bothers me is the use of narrow dashes ‘-’ or double-narrow dashes ‘-’. We're in the epoch of Unicode, we can put em dashes ‘—’ (or en dashes ‘–’ e.g. for intervals).
I don't know if "Maren" is boy's or girl's name, since I'm not familiar with German, or even European culture. But the person behind the name is a woman. And me too (although I've been told that in Europe, "brynn" can be male or female name - like Chris, Tracy, Jessie, etc.).
To me, ‘Brynn’ looked like ‘Bryce’; but I noticed you were referred to as a woman. I was used to fully masculine teams in computer projects so having a woman as a team leader is a nice thing. I think the star on this page means ‘leader’: https://inkscape.org/en/*translator -- Sylvain
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On Thu, 2016-06-02 at 19:23 -0600, Brynn wrote:
Oh! Doesn't django much have a find/replace? I don't see it. But if there is, you could search for  , and search again for space , and space, and replace with the correct thing.
Yes, please confirm the all records action you'd like me to take in the backend. For examine "replace in all text plugins, this text for this text" etc
Martin,
Le 03/06/2016 à 03:23, Brynn a écrit :
Wow, can't you disable that in your browser. I would tolerate that for about a half-second! Is Chromium the same thing as Chrome? It must be different. But are they related?
http://www.chromium.org/ Download ready-to-use installers here: http://chromium.woolyss.com/ Chromium is often used under GNU/Linux distributions, as it is open source, and available in official package repositories (whereas Chrome isn't). Please avoid using Google Chrome from now. Chrome-based browsers are sometimes useful as Firefox is often slower. Some browser-based apps are mainly targeted to Chrome. But fortunately there is an open source and user-respectful alternative (really? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909).
Oh! Doesn't django much have a find/replace? I don't see it. But if there is, you could search for  , and search again for space , and space, and replace with the correct thing.
Here is my technique: searching once, then using F3 and typing or pasting the replacement. I'm used to web edition. Actually, what's the most boring is the loading of the browser: loading the page, loading the page in edit mode, opening the editor (and opening links — the horrible thing), saving the editor's content, publishing the page.
Oh!! You could take the html (souce) out to a text editor, and do it there. Then paste back in. When I first started working with django, that was my workflow. Because in the Very beginning, the source wasn't even formatted. The html just wrapped and wrapped. So I pasted into a text editor to get some minimum formatting.
I do that sometimes for long and no-risk replacements, or for replacements with regular expressions.
I still don't think it formats. But at least it doesn't wrap anymore. But if you do that, be sure to back up the page first. Just in case :-) They're all outdated now, but for a while, I had 8 or 10 pages backed up locally. I don't have the whole website, like Maren does (because I don't have any need or skills for it). But I had a bunch of pages.
I think a history is kept… Just look at the History menu when you're in edit mode. What do you mean by ‘it wrapped’? That spaces were not left in source code?
Why does the dashes bother you? Because people use them too much? In personal writing, I use them a lot. But since it's not official, I guess it doesn't matter. I think it's ok to use once in a while on the website. I wouldn't use more than twice on the same page. But only if I couldn't think of any other way. Mostly I would only use once or not at all.
I love dashes and I use them very often. The problem is the use of narrow dashes; typographic rules say to use longer dashes as the relation between the words around the dash decreases.
Examples: * Hyphen: The hackfest is co-located with LGM. Non-Coding. * En-dash: 2015–2016. Isaac Newton (1643–1727). Working 5–10 minutes. * Em-dash: Inkscape Board — working budget.
I'll think you'll easily find more examples by yourself.
Yeah, in forums, people almost always call me "man" or refer to with "he". Even on the mailing list once or twice. I used to have a Celtic knot or endless knot for my forum avatar. But I changed it to a flower, to try and appear more feminine. It didn't help at all! Maybe a sunflower is too masculine? Maybe I need a more delicate flower? What's a delicate flower? Rose? Poppies are pretty delicate....maybe dahlia? Dahlia would be a good username! But I'm rambling....
Funny fact… Thus this problem is common. On MMORPGs for example, I don't feel it so easy to ask ‘what is your gender?’ to every person I talk to. I think the best idea is to use the language details. In French, most qualitative adjectives change according to the gender of the qualified — usually by taking an E. Thus this technique is very effective and may contribute to the spelling skills of future generations.
I'm not sure if that asterisk in front of her name means leader, or if it's just different username or account. Maybe it is. All the other teams either have only 1 person with asterisk, or none. I'd say that's a good guess :-)
She said this means ‘Admin’.
Related fact: I'm seeing this double-space habit on Meta-Wiki: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire&acti... (Look at the <!-- INTRO --> part.) Quite common too.
Our topics are going quite far from the Inkscape project, especially far from the initial subject, the ‘Hackfest’. Martin even wonders if he must add a feature from what we're saying. As it is becoming personal and private, I think that if you reply again, you should send your e-mail to me only, to avoid spamming all our mates.
Sincerely yours, -- Sylvain
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