Hi everyone,
after sending out the message about having felt a bit lonely while translating the manual, several people sent me some helpful tips on how to do it better :) (Thanks!)
This update message is the incarnation of one of those.
Also, I was very pleased to see that there are so many people still interested in helping, and to see some new people to join us on the Beginners' Guide project. Welcome again, Jabier, Jelle and Marietta!
So, what happened this week? -----------------------------
- Brynn has worked on a friendly news item to get more contributors that will soon be published (find it here, if you're a website editor: https://inkscape.org/en/news/unpublished/812/)
- CR posted a first draft (png) of a cover image, with a tasty Inkscape ice cream (find it here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_m)
- Jabier has volunteered to work on the CSS a bit, and tested the pdf export, where he found an issue, which, fortunately, we were able to solve (see example pdf of draft from a couple of days ago: http://objavi.booktype.pro/data/books/startwithinkscape-en-2017.06.07 -01.46.42.pdf)
- Jelle offered to help with proofreading, and possibly also with design
- Marietta joined the team, and started out making a public task list (here: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues/, more on that further down) and committed to help keeping it updated. She also proofread one chapter for language inaccuracies, and offered to help with the glossary and testing of the manual's effectiveness.
- Martin (doctormo) helped by giving me permissions to manage the manual task list and members on gitlab
- I have learnt a bit about managing a project this size (at least, I hope I have... let me know when I'm stepping on your toes, please), did some investigation on export formats, helped set up the gitlab issues section, coordinated with members to get them set up, reviewed the news article and translated and technically reviewed 17 chapters, also feeding back to Elisa for the original French version. There are 14 chapters left to be translated, I expect to be done with that in a week, if nobody else joins me there.
- Together we had some good discussions here on the list, that show that work on the manual is very much alive :)
Hope I haven't forgotten anyone, and didn't get the facts wrong - if I have, please blame it on the lack of:
The new task tracker --------------------
Marietta suggested that we have a task tracker to follow up on tasks and to keep an overview about responsibilities. This is a good idea (while currently, I'm still able to keep most of it in my head, that is not a good place to keep records, and to allow people to self-assign and update tasks, and to be responsible ;-) - it may also loose some info here and there), and after a bit of searching, we settled on the *Gitlab issue tracker* for the *Manuals project* as our base.
As Inkscape's code is currently in the process of moving there, website translation files and website code already reside there, and most people who will stay with the project long-term will need an account there anyway, and as it offers some project management functions, this is a good place for keeping log of our progress.
We are still thinking a bit about the most useful way to organize issues there (because of interdependencies).
Everyone in the Beginners' Guide group is invited to create a gitlab account at https://gitlab.com/users/sign_in and to sign up for the tasks Marietta is currently working on adding at https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues You can also add new tasks or request access to the team for helping to manage tasks. Please don't take on more tasks than you can work on in parallel. Only sign up for what you are really currently working on. If you want to work on a task in the future, but cannot yet, leave a comment there, so people know who to ask for help.
Kind Regards, Maren
Maren,
I have read all your messages and I am putting some heavy duty thoughts into the organization. I do think there should be something per chapter. Right now, I am planning on going back into each of the Section Headings and add each Chapter. Under there I can add tasks for everything we want to track. I am trying to squeeze in as I can during the next few days. I have my dear sweet Aunt and Uncles 50th Anniversary this weekend and it is eating my time. Then I have the RV to get ready for a five day trip that has been planned awhile. During that trip, I can catch up in the evenings. DH and I work out of the RV all the time.
Not complaining, just wanted to let everyone know where I am. Please feel free to contact me if you need a task created so information can be documented. Even if you have already completed the task, it can still be documented.
I won't have such a long day today, so tonight I can make some things happen.
Warm Regards to all and I am looking forward to working with everyone! Marietta/
On 6/8/2017 6:53 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote:
Hi everyone,
after sending out the message about having felt a bit lonely while translating the manual, several people sent me some helpful tips on how to do it better :) (Thanks!)
This update message is the incarnation of one of those.
Also, I was very pleased to see that there are so many people still interested in helping, and to see some new people to join us on the Beginners' Guide project. Welcome again, Jabier, Jelle and Marietta!
So, what happened this week?
- Brynn has worked on a friendly news item to get more contributors that
will soon be published (find it here, if you're a website editor: https://inkscape.org/en/news/unpublished/812/)
- CR posted a first draft (png) of a cover image, with a tasty Inkscape
ice cream (find it here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_m)
- Jabier has volunteered to work on the CSS a bit, and tested the pdf
export, where he found an issue, which, fortunately, we were able to solve (see example pdf of draft from a couple of days ago: http://objavi.booktype.pro/data/books/startwithinkscape-en-2017.06.07 -01.46.42.pdf)
Jelle offered to help with proofreading, and possibly also with design
Marietta joined the team, and started out making a public task list
(here: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues/, more on that further down) and committed to help keeping it updated. She also proofread one chapter for language inaccuracies, and offered to help with the glossary and testing of the manual's effectiveness.
- Martin (doctormo) helped by giving me permissions to manage the manual
task list and members on gitlab
- I have learnt a bit about managing a project this size (at least, I
hope I have... let me know when I'm stepping on your toes, please), did some investigation on export formats, helped set up the gitlab issues section, coordinated with members to get them set up, reviewed the news article and translated and technically reviewed 17 chapters, also feeding back to Elisa for the original French version. There are 14 chapters left to be translated, I expect to be done with that in a week, if nobody else joins me there.
- Together we had some good discussions here on the list, that show that
work on the manual is very much alive :)
Hope I haven't forgotten anyone, and didn't get the facts wrong - if I have, please blame it on the lack of:
The new task tracker
Marietta suggested that we have a task tracker to follow up on tasks and to keep an overview about responsibilities. This is a good idea (while currently, I'm still able to keep most of it in my head, that is not a good place to keep records, and to allow people to self-assign and update tasks, and to be responsible ;-) - it may also loose some info here and there), and after a bit of searching, we settled on the *Gitlab issue tracker* for the *Manuals project* as our base.
As Inkscape's code is currently in the process of moving there, website translation files and website code already reside there, and most people who will stay with the project long-term will need an account there anyway, and as it offers some project management functions, this is a good place for keeping log of our progress.
We are still thinking a bit about the most useful way to organize issues there (because of interdependencies).
Everyone in the Beginners' Guide group is invited to create a gitlab account at https://gitlab.com/users/sign_in and to sign up for the tasks Marietta is currently working on adding at https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues You can also add new tasks or request access to the team for helping to manage tasks. Please don't take on more tasks than you can work on in parallel. Only sign up for what you are really currently working on. If you want to work on a task in the future, but cannot yet, leave a comment there, so people know who to ask for help.
Kind Regards, Maren
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Hi Marietta,
don't worry :) I wish you a wonderful weekend, and I hope you'll see a lot of interesting new things during your trip :)
Please only work on this at times when you really want to, there's no pressure at all.
(RV = motorhome? DH = husband?)
Kind Regards, Maren
Am 09.06.2017 um 19:21 schrieb Marietta Walker:
Maren,
I have read all your messages and I am putting some heavy duty thoughts into the organization. I do think there should be something per chapter. Right now, I am planning on going back into each of the Section Headings and add each Chapter. Under there I can add tasks for everything we want to track. I am trying to squeeze in as I can during the next few days. I have my dear sweet Aunt and Uncles 50th Anniversary this weekend and it is eating my time. Then I have the RV to get ready for a five day trip that has been planned awhile. During that trip, I can catch up in the evenings. DH and I work out of the RV all the time.
Not complaining, just wanted to let everyone know where I am. Please feel free to contact me if you need a task created so information can be documented. Even if you have already completed the task, it can still be documented.
I won't have such a long day today, so tonight I can make some things happen.
Warm Regards to all and I am looking forward to working with everyone! Marietta/
On 6/8/2017 6:53 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote:
Hi everyone,
after sending out the message about having felt a bit lonely while translating the manual, several people sent me some helpful tips on how to do it better :) (Thanks!)
This update message is the incarnation of one of those.
Also, I was very pleased to see that there are so many people still interested in helping, and to see some new people to join us on the Beginners' Guide project. Welcome again, Jabier, Jelle and Marietta!
So, what happened this week?
- Brynn has worked on a friendly news item to get more contributors that
will soon be published (find it here, if you're a website editor: https://inkscape.org/en/news/unpublished/812/)
- CR posted a first draft (png) of a cover image, with a tasty Inkscape
ice cream (find it here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_m)
- Jabier has volunteered to work on the CSS a bit, and tested the pdf
export, where he found an issue, which, fortunately, we were able to solve (see example pdf of draft from a couple of days ago: http://objavi.booktype.pro/data/books/startwithinkscape-en-2017.06.07 -01.46.42.pdf)
Jelle offered to help with proofreading, and possibly also with design
Marietta joined the team, and started out making a public task list
(here: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues/, more on that further down) and committed to help keeping it updated. She also proofread one chapter for language inaccuracies, and offered to help with the glossary and testing of the manual's effectiveness.
- Martin (doctormo) helped by giving me permissions to manage the manual
task list and members on gitlab
- I have learnt a bit about managing a project this size (at least, I
hope I have... let me know when I'm stepping on your toes, please), did some investigation on export formats, helped set up the gitlab issues section, coordinated with members to get them set up, reviewed the news article and translated and technically reviewed 17 chapters, also feeding back to Elisa for the original French version. There are 14 chapters left to be translated, I expect to be done with that in a week, if nobody else joins me there.
- Together we had some good discussions here on the list, that show that
work on the manual is very much alive :)
Hope I haven't forgotten anyone, and didn't get the facts wrong - if I have, please blame it on the lack of:
The new task tracker
Marietta suggested that we have a task tracker to follow up on tasks and to keep an overview about responsibilities. This is a good idea (while currently, I'm still able to keep most of it in my head, that is not a good place to keep records, and to allow people to self-assign and update tasks, and to be responsible ;-) - it may also loose some info here and there), and after a bit of searching, we settled on the *Gitlab issue tracker* for the *Manuals project* as our base.
As Inkscape's code is currently in the process of moving there, website translation files and website code already reside there, and most people who will stay with the project long-term will need an account there anyway, and as it offers some project management functions, this is a good place for keeping log of our progress.
We are still thinking a bit about the most useful way to organize issues there (because of interdependencies).
Everyone in the Beginners' Guide group is invited to create a gitlab account at https://gitlab.com/users/sign_in and to sign up for the tasks Marietta is currently working on adding at https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues You can also add new tasks or request access to the team for helping to manage tasks. Please don't take on more tasks than you can work on in parallel. Only sign up for what you are really currently working on. If you want to work on a task in the future, but cannot yet, leave a comment there, so people know who to ask for help.
Kind Regards, Maren
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Hi Everyone, Regarding keeping up with tasks: I think it's a very good idea, in general. But I have some reservations. In an open source community, as far as I've learned, people tend to manage whatever projects they've committed to on their own, and on their own schedule.
Also, with a project such as this manual/guide, where it can be edited at any time, by anyone who is interested.... Well, it's really never quite completed - not any task is ever completely finished.
So having a list of tasks, with the names of the people who are working on it would be great. But using a list of tasks and putting time constraints on it - I'm not sure how that could be effective or helpful.
Unless you're talking about the publishing side of it? I can see where you'd actually want deadlines for certain things, for publishing new versions. Sort of like when they freeze certain parts of development right before a new release.
I'm very glad to know we'll be using gitlab to help manage the project! I remember asking a couple of weeks ago about that.
So now I can create an issue for the proposed different organization of chapters that I mentioned. And also an Issue about the graphics issues I mentioned.
But first, I want to make sure that's how we're using it. Or are we only using Issues for task management?
Thanks, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 5:53 PM To: Inkscape-Docs Subject: [Inkscape-docs] [Manual] Updates and news
Hi everyone,
after sending out the message about having felt a bit lonely while translating the manual, several people sent me some helpful tips on how to do it better :) (Thanks!)
This update message is the incarnation of one of those.
Also, I was very pleased to see that there are so many people still interested in helping, and to see some new people to join us on the Beginners' Guide project. Welcome again, Jabier, Jelle and Marietta!
So, what happened this week? -----------------------------
- Brynn has worked on a friendly news item to get more contributors that will soon be published (find it here, if you're a website editor: https://inkscape.org/en/news/unpublished/812/)
- CR posted a first draft (png) of a cover image, with a tasty Inkscape ice cream (find it here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_m)
- Jabier has volunteered to work on the CSS a bit, and tested the pdf export, where he found an issue, which, fortunately, we were able to solve (see example pdf of draft from a couple of days ago: http://objavi.booktype.pro/data/books/startwithinkscape-en-2017.06.07 -01.46.42.pdf)
- Jelle offered to help with proofreading, and possibly also with design
- Marietta joined the team, and started out making a public task list (here: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues/, more on that further down) and committed to help keeping it updated. She also proofread one chapter for language inaccuracies, and offered to help with the glossary and testing of the manual's effectiveness.
- Martin (doctormo) helped by giving me permissions to manage the manual task list and members on gitlab
- I have learnt a bit about managing a project this size (at least, I hope I have... let me know when I'm stepping on your toes, please), did some investigation on export formats, helped set up the gitlab issues section, coordinated with members to get them set up, reviewed the news article and translated and technically reviewed 17 chapters, also feeding back to Elisa for the original French version. There are 14 chapters left to be translated, I expect to be done with that in a week, if nobody else joins me there.
- Together we had some good discussions here on the list, that show that work on the manual is very much alive :)
Hope I haven't forgotten anyone, and didn't get the facts wrong - if I have, please blame it on the lack of:
The new task tracker --------------------
Marietta suggested that we have a task tracker to follow up on tasks and to keep an overview about responsibilities. This is a good idea (while currently, I'm still able to keep most of it in my head, that is not a good place to keep records, and to allow people to self-assign and update tasks, and to be responsible ;-) - it may also loose some info here and there), and after a bit of searching, we settled on the *Gitlab issue tracker* for the *Manuals project* as our base.
As Inkscape's code is currently in the process of moving there, website translation files and website code already reside there, and most people who will stay with the project long-term will need an account there anyway, and as it offers some project management functions, this is a good place for keeping log of our progress.
We are still thinking a bit about the most useful way to organize issues there (because of interdependencies).
Everyone in the Beginners' Guide group is invited to create a gitlab account at https://gitlab.com/users/sign_in and to sign up for the tasks Marietta is currently working on adding at https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues You can also add new tasks or request access to the team for helping to manage tasks. Please don't take on more tasks than you can work on in parallel. Only sign up for what you are really currently working on. If you want to work on a task in the future, but cannot yet, leave a comment there, so people know who to ask for help.
Kind Regards, Maren
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Hi Brynn,
we'll see how it goes on gitlab with the issues. There were no time constraints put on them (although that's possible on gitlab), I don't understand where that comes from.
Go ahead creating your issues, let us know if you need help with it. Keep them concise, please, so it'll be quick to read and discuss.
Kind Regards, Maren
Am 10.06.2017 um 06:05 schrieb brynn:
Hi Everyone, Regarding keeping up with tasks: I think it's a very good idea, in general. But I have some reservations. In an open source community, as far as I've learned, people tend to manage whatever projects they've committed to on their own, and on their own schedule.
Also, with a project such as this manual/guide, where it can beedited at any time, by anyone who is interested.... Well, it's really never quite completed - not any task is ever completely finished.
So having a list of tasks, with the names of the people who areworking on it would be great. But using a list of tasks and putting time constraints on it - I'm not sure how that could be effective or helpful.
Unless you're talking about the publishing side of it? I can seewhere you'd actually want deadlines for certain things, for publishing new versions. Sort of like when they freeze certain parts of development right before a new release.
I'm very glad to know we'll be using gitlab to help manage theproject! I remember asking a couple of weeks ago about that.
So now I can create an issue for the proposed differentorganization of chapters that I mentioned. And also an Issue about the graphics issues I mentioned.
But first, I want to make sure that's how we're using it. Or arewe only using Issues for task management?
Thanks, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 5:53 PM To: Inkscape-Docs Subject: [Inkscape-docs] [Manual] Updates and news
Hi everyone,
after sending out the message about having felt a bit lonely while translating the manual, several people sent me some helpful tips on how to do it better :) (Thanks!)
This update message is the incarnation of one of those.
Also, I was very pleased to see that there are so many people still interested in helping, and to see some new people to join us on the Beginners' Guide project. Welcome again, Jabier, Jelle and Marietta!
So, what happened this week?
- Brynn has worked on a friendly news item to get more contributors that
will soon be published (find it here, if you're a website editor: https://inkscape.org/en/news/unpublished/812/)
- CR posted a first draft (png) of a cover image, with a tasty Inkscape
ice cream (find it here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_m)
- Jabier has volunteered to work on the CSS a bit, and tested the pdf
export, where he found an issue, which, fortunately, we were able to solve (see example pdf of draft from a couple of days ago: http://objavi.booktype.pro/data/books/startwithinkscape-en-2017.06.07 -01.46.42.pdf)
Jelle offered to help with proofreading, and possibly also with design
Marietta joined the team, and started out making a public task list
(here: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues/, more on that further down) and committed to help keeping it updated. She also proofread one chapter for language inaccuracies, and offered to help with the glossary and testing of the manual's effectiveness.
- Martin (doctormo) helped by giving me permissions to manage the manual
task list and members on gitlab
- I have learnt a bit about managing a project this size (at least, I
hope I have... let me know when I'm stepping on your toes, please), did some investigation on export formats, helped set up the gitlab issues section, coordinated with members to get them set up, reviewed the news article and translated and technically reviewed 17 chapters, also feeding back to Elisa for the original French version. There are 14 chapters left to be translated, I expect to be done with that in a week, if nobody else joins me there.
- Together we had some good discussions here on the list, that show that
work on the manual is very much alive :)
Hope I haven't forgotten anyone, and didn't get the facts wrong - if I have, please blame it on the lack of:
The new task tracker
Marietta suggested that we have a task tracker to follow up on tasks and to keep an overview about responsibilities. This is a good idea (while currently, I'm still able to keep most of it in my head, that is not a good place to keep records, and to allow people to self-assign and update tasks, and to be responsible ;-) - it may also loose some info here and there), and after a bit of searching, we settled on the *Gitlab issue tracker* for the *Manuals project* as our base.
As Inkscape's code is currently in the process of moving there, website translation files and website code already reside there, and most people who will stay with the project long-term will need an account there anyway, and as it offers some project management functions, this is a good place for keeping log of our progress.
We are still thinking a bit about the most useful way to organize issues there (because of interdependencies).
Everyone in the Beginners' Guide group is invited to create a gitlab account at https://gitlab.com/users/sign_in and to sign up for the tasks Marietta is currently working on adding at https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues You can also add new tasks or request access to the team for helping to manage tasks. Please don't take on more tasks than you can work on in parallel. Only sign up for what you are really currently working on. If you want to work on a task in the future, but cannot yet, leave a comment there, so people know who to ask for help.
Kind Regards, Maren
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So sorry I have not been around. We have had several things slam us lately. Illness in my family and then something in my back went nuts. I can't sit, lay, stand, or do much of anything for very long. I am afraid I will have to bow out of the project. Take care all and best of luck with the project. Marietta
Hi Marietta,
I'm very sorry you're not doing well :-( It's understandable that you need to take care of yourself and your family now.
You'll always be welcome to join us for some Inkscape fun, or to help the project with small, one-time things (or even larger projects), if and whenever you like.
Hope things will get better for you soon!
Kind Regards, Maren
Am 27.06.2017 um 05:35 schrieb Marietta Walker:
So sorry I have not been around. We have had several things slam us lately. Illness in my family and then something in my back went nuts. I can't sit, lay, stand, or do much of anything for very long. I am afraid I will have to bow out of the project. Take care all and best of luck with the project. Marietta
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