Retitled - "License for the new manual" (was "Any chance we can make some docs.....") Also copying in Sylvain, since he's been working on translation. I know there's another translator, but I can't seem to open the manual today, to look it up. So if someone knows who that is, please copy them in to this new thread.
We should sort out what license we will offer the new manual under as
a first step, before starting any work. We need to reach a consensus before work can proceed.
Well, considering work has already started on the manual (the translating part), we might be a little behind the 8 ball. But I agree that we need to nail down the license asap.
Retitling this to start the discussion.
Also, according to
https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ This document is GPL v3. I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type.
Well that's the same license as Inkscape. How is it too restrictive?
For me, the main point is that it needs a license that will allow anyone to edit it. We can't get stuck with an outdated manual and have no way to edit it (as a community), ever again.
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 4:22 AM To: brynn Cc: Nicolas Dufour ; Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Also, according to https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/
This document is GPL v3. I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type.
We should sort out what license we will offer the new manual under as a first step, before starting any work. We need to reach a consensus before work can proceed.
-C
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:14 AM, C R <cajhne@...2...> wrote:
Is anyone discussing a copyrighted book or manual at this point? If so, let's not. It's Copyleft or Public Domain. No proprietary books or content should be included in official Inkscape documentation. We need to be able to freely revise, edit, distribute without the legal entanglements.
-C
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 8:28 AM, brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote:
- How does version control work for booktype?
This question will probably make more sense when you make the next post you promised from a different message. I had asked why we were talking about using gitlab and all that, if we were still focused on the FLOSS translation/manual. And you said you had an idea to present that you didn't have time at that moment.
I can't really see a marriage of these 2 projects (free manual, copyrighted book of tutorials). But I'm looking forward to hearing your proposal :-)
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 1:28 PM To: Nicolas Dufour ; brynn ; C R Cc: inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Hi Nicolas :D,
thank you!
What I would like to know (and what is now buried deep in the email stream) is:
- How does version control work for booktype? Could it be combined with
a git repository, or does it use a fully independent system? (I couldn't find a direct hint, maybe it's just using the django database to keep track of changes/edits?)
- What is the source file format of booktype? Markdown? (guessing from
the requirements for pip)
Regards, Maren
Am 01.05.2017 um 21:08 schrieb Nicolas Dufour:
Hi all,
I'm just back from two weeks away, and as the thread is very long now I didn't find time to read everything. Sorry if I'm off-topic.
Le Lundi 1 mai 2017 13h07, Maren Hachmann <maren@...68...> a écrit :
I only wish Nicolas or Elisa could be here to give us some more in-depth
info about their server's capabilities
Not sure what you mean. Of course the Inkscape project can use the French FM server for the translation, but note that an English version also exists (http://write.flossmanuals.net/). It would probably be easier to work on the English server directly.
and their book's licencing.
If I remember correctly, the GPLv2 was the first license that was chosen when the FM project was created about 10 years ago, and some books still use it. But the server allows users to choose a different license when creating a new book (CC, GPL, PD). As for the Inkscape book, I see it's under a GPLv3. I don't know if it can be changed (and how) or not. Elisa could probably give more details.
Regards, -- Nicolas
CR, Brynn,
I can not more highly recommend using CC-BY-SA, because it has attribution (which I think we've cleared up prior) and contains the appropriate copyleft.
It's the license I would expect to use, it's the one that fits most with Inkscape as a project and it's the one we use on the website.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Tue, 2017-05-02 at 08:57 -0600, brynn wrote:
Retitled - "License for the new manual" (was "Any chance we can make some docs.....") Also copying in Sylvain, since he's been working on translation. I know there's another translator, but I can't seem to open the manual today, to look it up. So if someone knows who that is, please copy them in to this new thread.
We should sort out what license we will offer the new manual under as
a first step, before starting any work. We need to reach a consensus before work can proceed.
Well, considering work has already started on the manual (the translating part), we might be a little behind the 8 ball. But I agree that we need to nail down the license asap.
Retitling this to start the discussion.
Also, according to
https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ This document is GPL v3. I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type.
Well that's the same license as Inkscape. How is it too restrictive?
For me, the main point is that it needs a license that will allow anyone to edit it. We can't get stuck with an outdated manual and have no way to edit it (as a community), ever again.
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 4:22 AM To: brynn Cc: Nicolas Dufour ; Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Also, according to https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/
This document is GPL v3. I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type.
We should sort out what license we will offer the new manual under as a first step, before starting any work. We need to reach a consensus before work can proceed.
-C
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:14 AM, C R <cajhne@...2...> wrote:
Is anyone discussing a copyrighted book or manual at this point? If so, let's not. It's Copyleft or Public Domain. No proprietary books or content should be included in official Inkscape documentation. We need to be able to freely revise, edit, distribute without the legal entanglements.
-C
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 8:28 AM, brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote:
- How does version control work for booktype?
This question will probably make more sense when you make the next post you promised from a different message. I had asked why we were talking about using gitlab and all that, if we were still focused on the FLOSS translation/manual. And you said you had an idea to present that you didn't have time at that moment.
I can't really see a marriage of these 2 projects (free manual, copyrighted book of tutorials). But I'm looking forward to hearing your proposal :-)
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 1:28 PM To: Nicolas Dufour ; brynn ; C R Cc: inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Hi Nicolas :D,
thank you!
What I would like to know (and what is now buried deep in the email stream) is:
- How does version control work for booktype? Could it be
combined with a git repository, or does it use a fully independent system? (I couldn't find a direct hint, maybe it's just using the django database to keep track of changes/edits?)
- What is the source file format of booktype? Markdown? (guessing
from the requirements for pip)
Regards, Maren
Am 01.05.2017 um 21:08 schrieb Nicolas Dufour:
Hi all,
I'm just back from two weeks away, and as the thread is very long now I didn't find time to read everything. Sorry if I'm off-topic.
Le Lundi 1 mai 2017 13h07, Maren Hachmann <maren@...159... .de> a écrit :
I only wish Nicolas or Elisa could be here to give us some more in-depth
info about their server's capabilities
Not sure what you mean. Of course the Inkscape project can use the French FM server for the translation, but note that an English version also exists (http://write.flossmanuals.net/). It would probably be easier to work on the English server directly.
and their book's licencing.
If I remember correctly, the GPLv2 was the first license that was chosen when the FM project was created about 10 years ago, and some books still use it. But the server allows users to choose a different license when creating a new book (CC, GPL, PD). As for the Inkscape book, I see it's under a GPLv3. I don't know if it can be changed (and how) or not. Elisa could probably give more details.
Regards, -- Nicolas
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Hello,
I am the french author of this book. I want this book open, so i can change de licence if we need. Wich one would be safe ?
cc-By ?
Regards, Elisa
2017-05-02 16:57 GMT+02:00 brynn <brynn@...78...>:
Retitled - "License for the new manual" (was "Any chance we can make some docs.....") Also copying in Sylvain, since he's been working on translation. I know there's another translator, but I can't seem to open the manual today, to look it up. So if someone knows who that is, please copy them in to this new thread.
We should sort out what license we will offer the new manual under as
a first step, before starting any work. We need to reach a consensus before work can proceed.
Well, considering work has already started on the manual (the translating part), we might be a little behind the 8 ball. But I agree that we need to nail down the license asap.
Retitling this to start the discussion.
Also, according to
https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ This document is GPL v3. I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type.
Well that's the same license as Inkscape. How is it too restrictive?
For me, the main point is that it needs a license that will allow anyone to edit it. We can't get stuck with an outdated manual and have no way to edit it (as a community), ever again.
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 4:22 AM To: brynn Cc: Nicolas Dufour ; Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Also, according to https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/
This document is GPL v3. I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type.
We should sort out what license we will offer the new manual under as a first step, before starting any work. We need to reach a consensus before work can proceed.
-C
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:14 AM, C R <cajhne@...2...> wrote:
Is anyone discussing a copyrighted book or manual at this point? If so, let's not. It's Copyleft or Public Domain. No proprietary books or content should be included in official Inkscape documentation. We need to be able to freely revise, edit, distribute without the legal entanglements.
-C
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 8:28 AM, brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote:
- How does version control work for booktype?
This question will probably make more sense when you make the next post
you
promised from a different message. I had asked why we were talking
about
using gitlab and all that, if we were still focused on the FLOSS translation/manual. And you said you had an idea to present that you
didn't
have time at that moment.
I can't really see a marriage of these 2 projects (free manual,
copyrighted
book of tutorials). But I'm looking forward to hearing your proposal
:-)
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 1:28 PM To: Nicolas Dufour ; brynn ; C R Cc: inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make
some
docs material? (targeting the moon)
Hi Nicolas :D,
thank you!
What I would like to know (and what is now buried deep in the email stream) is:
- How does version control work for booktype? Could it be combined with
a git repository, or does it use a fully independent system? (I couldn't find a direct hint, maybe it's just using the django database to keep track of changes/edits?)
- What is the source file format of booktype? Markdown? (guessing from
the requirements for pip)
Regards, Maren
Am 01.05.2017 um 21:08 schrieb Nicolas Dufour:
Hi all,
I'm just back from two weeks away, and as the thread is very long now I didn't find time to read everything. Sorry if I'm off-topic.
Le Lundi 1 mai 2017 13h07, Maren Hachmann <maren@...68...> a écrit :
I only wish Nicolas or Elisa could be here to give us some more in-depth
info about their server's capabilities
Not sure what you mean. Of course the Inkscape project can use the French FM server for the translation, but note that an English version also exists (http://write.flossmanuals.net/). It would probably be easier to work on the English server directly.
and their book's licencing.
If I remember correctly, the GPLv2 was the first license that was chosen when the FM project was created about 10 years ago, and some books still use it. But the server allows users to choose a different license when creating a new book (CC, GPL, PD). As for the Inkscape book, I see it's under a GPLv3. I don't know if it can be changed (and how) or not. Elisa could probably give more details.
Regards, -- Nicolas
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Le 02/05/2017 à 16:57, brynn a écrit :
I know there's another translator, but I can't seem to open the manual today, to look it up. So if someone knows who that is, please copy them in to this new thread.
The other translator is Hinerangi. But she could not invest the translation actively, so it is suspended again — :/.
Also, according to https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ This document is GPL v3. I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type.
Yes, it is a weird choice — :). -- Sylvain
Am 03.05.2017 um 19:07 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
Le 02/05/2017 à 16:57, brynn a écrit :
I know there's another translator, but I can't seem to open the manual today, to look it up. So if someone knows who that is, please copy them in to this new thread.
The other translator is Hinerangi. But she could not invest the translation actively, so it is suspended again — :/.
- Sylvain, if you would be okay with adapting the licence of your translation, too, could you contact Hinerangi about the licencing (if she made any changes, that is), so we can base our efforts on your and Hinerangi's translations?
(even if Elisa changed hers, that doesn't mean that you /have/ to change it, because you 'forked' before the licence changed - but it would be nice :))
Kind Regards, Maren
Also, according to https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ This document is GPL v3. I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type.
Yes, it is a weird choice — :).
Sylvain
Le 02/05/2017 à 16:57, C R a écrit :> Also, according to
https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/
This document is GPL v3. I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type.
Le 03/05/2017 à 23:00, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
- Sylvain, if you would be okay with adapting the licence of your
translation, too, could you contact Hinerangi about the licencing (if she made any changes, that is), so we can base our efforts on your and Hinerangi's translations?
(even if Elisa changed hers, that doesn't mean that you /have/ to change it, because you 'forked' before the licence changed - but it would be nice :))
Yes… What are the steps? We just have to change the detail in the ‘About this book’ chapter? -- Sylvain
Am 05.05.2017 um 15:28 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
Le 02/05/2017 à 16:57, C R a écrit :> Also, according to
https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/
This document is GPL v3. I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type.
Le 03/05/2017 à 23:00, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
- Sylvain, if you would be okay with adapting the licence of your
translation, too, could you contact Hinerangi about the licencing (if she made any changes, that is), so we can base our efforts on your and Hinerangi's translations?
(even if Elisa changed hers, that doesn't mean that you /have/ to change it, because you 'forked' before the licence changed - but it would be nice :))
Yes… What are the steps? We just have to change the detail in the ‘About this book’ chapter? -- Sylvain
- When exploring flossmanualsfr, I noticed there are two places where a licence can be indicated:
1. in the book's settings 2. in the book's contents
Do you have access to the settings?
Maren
participants (5)
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brynn -
Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra -
Maren Hachmann -
Martin Owens -
Sylvain Chiron