Yaron Shahrabani
<DevOps - Hebrew translator>

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Maren Hachmann <maren@...325...> wrote:
It's django-based - would it work as an app in the existing django
website? (we'd need to keep an eye on server resources atm, though).

For website translations alone, I don't think it has a lot of
advantages, we do the most important part of the translations in the
cms, and I don't think that will change any time soon.

Anyway, some background info:

Martin had previously worked on a rosetta implementation for the
website, but it has never been put to use, because the scope was bigger,
and intended to include the website cms texts, which couldn't be done
easily. It allowed to download po files, and maybe even mo files for
testing.
​
Mozilla have a relatively new method called L20n (http://www.L20n.org) that is more suitable to website translation than gettext, also has a better individual string refrence allowing pluralizing and genderizing a single string in a different manner than all the other strings on the website.
This will require separating the website translation from the other parts but it gives better agility.​
 

Something like this - having it as an integral part of the website - was
one of Martin's long-term goals (don't know how he thinks about it
currently), to increase user-involvement.

Could be nice. I agree with Alex that quality is important. I think it
could be improved by having teams where people know each other (which
the website already supports) and can communicate.
​It doesn't affect quality, professional translators all over the world are using certain tools for translation, meaning that they get the strings from the client and then they open it in a dedicated translation tool and then hand it over to the customer (which is pretty similar to what's being done right now), what I'm suggesting is to cut the middle man and give the translator a web access to what they are already doing but with less logistics. ​
 

As an example, I've been enjoying working together with Eduard on the
German program translations (he setup a github repo for this). I think
it also had a positive impact on the quality, because we reviewed each
other's work and had a place to discuss the tricky things.
​Great to hear, can I add the Hebrew translation there and connect Transifex to it?​
 

Regards,
 Maren

Am 30.10.2016 um 00:51 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
> Hi,
>
> Le 29/10/2016 à 22:53, Yaron Shahrabani a écrit :
>> ​So let's get things straight, you prefer new translators downloading
>> Bzr client, downloading the po file, downloading and install a
>> translation software, merge the pot file with the new changes
>> ​(not necessarily) and then work on the changes and then provide a
>> Bazaar patch instead of logging in to a web interface and start translating?
>> What else do you expect from the translators? to be austronauts?
>
> Our translation process is described here:
> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Translation_information
> It doesn’t require using the VCS: you can download the file and send it
> to us (we prefer Launchpad bug reports).

​Not a process I would expect a professional translator to go through.​

 
>
> There’s also a plan of moving from Launchpad/Bazaar to a Git front-end.
> Should be realized in the coming year.

​It supports both, so even if the transition will take very long we can still use this tool.​
 
>
> Nonetheless I don’t agree with Alex; I’d support any work for trying to
> make our translation process funnier and more accessible, even if I
> don’t have any idea if it will really provide better results. Let’s try!

​I can show you the participation statistics to VLC, there is much less clutter and the team doesn't have to deal with merges and conflicts all day long, they just give the translators the option to work independantly and without their intervention.
 
>
> If we use this platform then we could have a place to put screenshots of
> new strings for example. It’s currently hard to find where the strings
> are placed in the program…
> We could create the screenshots ourselves and that would be an
> opportunity to communicate among translators, as currently we don’t do
> it much because everybody has its own task.
​Hold your horses :) not yet, but Michal is willing to consider it for a bounty, we can seek for external funding and have this feature pretty soon if needed.​
 
>
> Moreover I’m noticing that we don’t provide any explanation for testing
> the translation (weird). I’m not sure many people here are actually
> testing the translation with the program. Well, I did, because I made
> many fixes to the previous translations and was eager to see my words.
> But sometimes we just want the work to be quickly finished… It’s later,
> once we’re using the new release, that we notice the wrong texts and
> correct them. Quality comes with time anyway.
> (I’m going to write how to test your PO file — :P.)
​​
​I'm not an expert but I once discussed such feature with Mozilla and I see they implemented it in a way.
The feature is taking pictures of the application as a part of the unit testing, this way all the dialogs are documented and the translators can see theeir work without compiling the different types of Mozilla applications (Including Android, iOS, Firefox OS, etc.), currently the coverage is pretty good for several applications but doesn't cover all of it.
 
>
> So I’m favorable to this opening; might give motivation to the team and
> attract new contributors.

​It shouldn't affect the current ones either, contributors can choose between the old and the new method as long as they're working closely with Bazaar comitting all the changes and updating constantly and resolving the conflicts beforehand.​
 
>
> Do you have opinions out there, @jazzynico, @Maren or any kind translators?
> --
> Sylvain
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