From Linda Walsh Tue Feb 9 05:52:04 2010 From: Linda Walsh To: inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org Subject: [Inkscape-user] SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6 Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:51:37 -0800 Message-ID: <4B70F7E9.2040008@...2679...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8624852481396518178==" --===============8624852481396518178== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know about anyone else, but I just found out you can embed SVG instructions right alongside HTML in a web=20 document in FF3.6. But to get it to work, you have to flip on the 'html5.enabled=3Dtrue' in about:config. You can embed SVG images right inside your html now. Also, the Firebug extension, apparently added support=20 for SVG's namespace to allow tinkering /debugging / seeing=20 how SVG works directly in the browser. An example of intermixed svg is at: http://burningbird.net/svg/example4.html. If you have it enabled, you see a turquoise shaded panel on either side of the text, otherwise, its white. You don't have to restart the browser to toggle it. I have the about:config open in a separate window and searched on 'html5'. Brought up brought up 1 result. =20 Double clicking on it toggles the value. the code has=20

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.... So no more hybrid docs or embedded objects... Tr=C3=A9s cool! Only works in Firefox 3.6, but other browsers expected to follow suit... so = in case you wanted an easy test bed for your SVG=20 outside of inkscape... :-) It's coming!... -linda (some other links..on HTML5 support.) http://m.alistapart.com/comments/using-svg-for-flexible-scalable-and-fun-back= grounds-part-ii/P10/#13 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML5_support_in_Mozilla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28HTML5%29 --===============8624852481396518178==-- From Michael Wybrow Tue Feb 9 06:25:08 2010 From: Michael Wybrow To: inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:24:51 +1100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B70F7E9.2040008@...2679...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5055427032068325164==" --===============5055427032068325164== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/02/2010, at 4:51 PM, Linda Walsh wrote: >=20 > An example of intermixed svg is at: > http://burningbird.net/svg/example4.html. >=20 > Tr=C3=A9s cool! >=20 > Only works in Firefox 3.6, but other browsers expected to follow suit... s= o in case you wanted an easy test bed for your SVG=20 > outside of inkscape... Actually, it works in Safari 4 and Opera 10 as well. But I didn't realise yo= u could do that till now --- it is cool! Michael --===============5055427032068325164==-- From John Cliff Tue Feb 9 08:00:58 2010 From: John Cliff To: inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:00:40 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B70F7E9.2040008@...2679...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3864123053809094494==" --===============3864123053809094494== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sent from my iPhone On 9 Feb 2010, at 05:51, Linda Walsh wrote: > > I don't know about anyone else, but I just found out you > can embed SVG instructions right alongside HTML in a web > document in FF3.6. > > But to get it to work, you have to flip on the 'html5.enabled=3Dtrue' > in about:config. > > You can embed SVG images right inside your html now. > > Also, the Firebug extension, apparently added support > for SVG's namespace to allow tinkering /debugging / seeing > how SVG works directly in the browser. > > An example of intermixed svg is at: > http://burningbird.net/svg/example4.html. > If you have it enabled, you see a turquoise shaded panel on > either side of the text, otherwise, its white. > > You don't have to restart the browser to toggle it. > > I have the about:config open in a separate window and searched > on 'html5'. Brought up brought up 1 result. > Double clicking on it toggles the value. > > the code has >

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> > > > doctype at top (no mention of svg -- it's just part of the > XHTML). > > > > .... > > So no more hybrid docs or embedded objects... > > Tr=C3=A9s cool! > > Only works in Firefox 3.6, but other browsers expected to follow =20 > suit... Ummm, it works in safari too actually (mobile version, not got desktop =20 to try) > so in case you wanted an easy test bed for your SVG > outside of inkscape... > > :-) > > It's coming!... > > -linda > > (some other links..on HTML5 support.) > http://m.alistapart.com/comments/using-svg-for-flexible-scalable-and-fun-ba= ckgrounds-part-ii/P10/#13 > https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML5_support_in_Mozilla > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28HTML5%29 > > > > > ---=20 > ---=20 > ---=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the =20 > business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term =20 > contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call =20 > away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user --===============3864123053809094494==-- From Elwin Estle Tue Feb 9 11:30:18 2010 From: Elwin Estle To: inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:30:11 -0800 Message-ID: <693238.27670.qm@...2186...> In-Reply-To: <4B70F7E9.2040008@...2679...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0460758843093670643==" --===============0460758843093670643== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As others have said, Safari and Opera..you can add Google Chrome to the list = as well.=C2=A0=C2=A0 So the main odd man out, of course, is likely to be that= "stick in the mud", IE. --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Linda Walsh wrote: From: Linda Walsh Subject: [Inkscape-user] SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6 To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 12:51 AM I don't know about anyone else, but I just found out you can embed SVG instructions right alongside HTML in a web=20 document in FF3.6. But to get it to work, you have to flip on the 'html5.enabled=3Dtrue' in about:config. You can embed SVG images right inside your html now. Also, the Firebug extension,=C2=A0 apparently added support=20 for SVG's namespace to allow tinkering /debugging / seeing=20 how SVG works directly in the browser. An example of intermixed svg is at: http://burningbird.net/svg/example4.html. If you have it enabled, you see a turquoise shaded panel on either side of the text, otherwise, its white. You don't have to restart the browser to toggle it. I have the about:config open in a separate window and searched on 'html5'.=C2=A0 Brought up brought up 1 result.=C2=A0=20 Double clicking on it toggles the value. the code has=20

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.... So no more hybrid docs or embedded objects... Tr=C3=A9s cool! Only works in Firefox 3.6, but other browsers expected to follow suit...=C2= =A0 so in case you wanted an easy test bed for your SVG=20 outside of inkscape... :-) It's coming!... -linda (some other links..on HTML5 support.) http://m.alistapart.com/comments/using-svg-for-flexible-scalable-and-fun-back= grounds-part-ii/P10/#13 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML5_support_in_Mozilla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28HTML5%29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com _______________________________________________ Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2376544474095370890==" --===============2376544474095370890== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 21:51 -0800, Linda Walsh wrote: > I don't know about anyone else, but I just found out you > can embed SVG instructions right alongside HTML in a web=20 > document in FF3.6. hmm, what? you can inline SVG in XHTML for years already! http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/07/xhtml_and_svg.html > But to get it to work, you have to flip on the 'html5.enabled=3Dtrue' > in about:config. >=20 > You can embed SVG images right inside your html now. if you include the svg namespace (and it seems even without it), you dont need any modifications to gecko or webkit based browsers (or opera)... https://developer.mozilla.org/en/SVG_In_HTML_Introduction > Also, the Firebug extension, apparently added support=20 > for SVG's namespace to allow tinkering /debugging / seeing=20 > how SVG works directly in the browser. >=20 > An example of intermixed svg is at: > http://burningbird.net/svg/example4.html. > If you have it enabled, you see a turquoise shaded panel on > either side of the text, otherwise, its white. hmm, i got firefox 3.5 and no html5.enabled and i still see that SVG in XHTML... so maybe omitting the namespace for SVG is ok for many browsers already... > You don't have to restart the browser to toggle it. >=20 > I have the about:config open in a separate window and searched > on 'html5'. Brought up brought up 1 result. =20 > Double clicking on it toggles the value. >=20 > the code has=20 >

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> > >=20 > doctype at top (no mention of svg -- it's just part of the=20 > XHTML). >=20 > > > .... >=20 > So no more hybrid docs or embedded objects... it's still a "hybrid", that X in XHTML stands for eXtensible, so we can extend HTML with any namespace we like (and/or the client supports) >=20 > Tr=C3=A9s cool! >=20 > Only works in Firefox 3.6, but other browsers expected to follow suit... s= o in case you wanted an easy test bed for your SVG=20 > outside of inkscape... works in chrome and opera too... and you can also open the SVG directly in "any" browsers for a long time now... (and animate/modify with javascript, etc...) >=20 > :-) >=20 > It's coming!... if i didn't miss something, it's been here for years ;) and even MS is at last joining the fun http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/01/05/microsoft-joins-w3c-svg-working-g= roup.aspx cheers .andre --===============2376544474095370890==-- From Paul Bolger Tue Feb 9 21:45:02 2010 From: Paul Bolger To: inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:44:35 +1300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1265723246.2663.40.camel@...2688...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1907591139109351864==" --===============1907591139109351864== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > and even MS is at last joining the fun > http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/01/05/microsoft-joins-w3c-svg-working= -group.aspx Don't get any ideas that MS have suddenly seen the light though - Google's SVG Web project (http://code.google.com/p/svgweb/) has rather nicely put them in a position where they have no choice. --===============1907591139109351864==-- From Linda A. Walsh Sat Feb 13 14:16:37 2010 From: Linda A. Walsh To: inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:45:25 -0800 Message-ID: <4B76ACF5.3010701@...2679...> In-Reply-To: <1265723246.2663.40.camel@...2688...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8808515643654103773==" --===============8808515643654103773== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andre "Osku" Schmidt wrote: > it's still a "hybrid", that X in XHTML stands for eXtensible, so we can > extend HTML with any namespace we like (and/or the client supports) --- It works in FF 3.6 WITHOUT any SVG namespace additions. The namespace is already there. That's the point. I knew about the previous workings with use of the hybrid namespaces, this is in plain HTML namespace. > works in chrome and opera too... --- Just reading the blog -- when 3.6 came out....it's been out for a few months now, so it could be dated news. > > and you can also open the SVG directly in "any" browsers for a long time > now... (and animate/modify with javascript, etc...) --- Now without hybrid options in the HTML or embedding it as an object. Now it's part of HTML in w/html5 turned on. > if i didn't miss something, it's been here for years ;) --- Not in this form. Look at the code --- now there's no special namespace for SVG, no special code. That's the point. --===============8808515643654103773==-- From Andre "Osku" Schmidt Sun Feb 14 14:36:12 2010 From: Andre "Osku" Schmidt To: inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:23:08 +0100 Message-ID: <1266157388.3498.66.camel@...2688...> In-Reply-To: <4B76ACF5.3010701@...2679...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9177014113254193842==" --===============9177014113254193842== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 05:45 -0800, Linda A. Walsh wrote: > Andre "Osku" Schmidt wrote: > > it's still a "hybrid", that X in XHTML stands for eXtensible, so we can > > extend HTML with any namespace we like (and/or the client supports) > --- > It works in FF 3.6 WITHOUT any SVG namespace additions. > The namespace is already there. That's the point. I knew about the > previous workings with use of the hybrid namespaces, this is in plain > HTML namespace. > > > works in chrome and opera too... > --- > Just reading the blog -- when 3.6 came out....it's been out for > a few months now, so it could be dated news. > > > > > and you can also open the SVG directly in "any" browsers for a long time > > now... (and animate/modify with javascript, etc...) > --- > Now without hybrid options in the HTML or embedding it as an > object. Now it's part of HTML in w/html5 turned on. > > > > if i didn't miss something, it's been here for years ;) > --- > Not in this form. Look at the code --- now there's no special > namespace for SVG, no special code. That's the point. could you send a link to the blog post you found this ? or better, the part in X/HTML5 specification ? i must have completely missed the news that SVG is now part of the HTML namespace in the XHTML5 specification :/ is this only in XHTML5 or also in HTML5 ? (as the example link you gave was in XHTML5) can we at last do: ? cheers .andre --===============9177014113254193842==-- From Alvin Penner Sun Feb 14 18:20:27 2010 From: Alvin Penner To: inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:20:20 -0800 Message-ID: <27585536.post@...1283...> In-Reply-To: <1266157388.3498.66.camel@...2688...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3989760061452810594==" --===============3989760061452810594== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check out the original post, which contained the reference : http://burningbird.net/svg/example4.html This does not work on Windows using IE8 (obviously), even though I have Adobe SVG Viewer installed and can view svg files using it. However, it _does_ work on Windows using Seamonkey 2.0.1! Good old Netscape technology comes through once again... --=20 View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/SVG-support-now-embeddabl= e-in-Firefox-3.6-tp27510769p27585536.html Sent from the Inkscape - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --===============3989760061452810594==-- From Linda A. Walsh Wed Feb 17 05:07:27 2010 From: Linda A. Walsh To: inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org Subject: [Inkscape-user] Color profiles, html5 svg suppt in brwsrs (was Re: SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:06:59 -0800 Message-ID: <4B7B7973.9040406@...2679...> In-Reply-To: <27585536.post@...1283...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3476909040962539275==" --===============3476909040962539275== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alvin Penner wrote: > check out the original post, which contained the reference : > http://burningbird.net/svg/example4.htm --- Thank you. Some people get all defensive about how their favorite browsers can do the old functionality that they don't understand I'm talking about something new that as of a month ago, wasn't in any browser except Firefox 3.6. It didn't sound like Chrome or Opera had anything close or out at the time. I tried to look at Opera's latest beta, as it supposedly has some adva= nced tech in it, but had WAY many problems -- first downloading the beta -- their download page was all messed up, with the beta pointing to a deleted version = (x.50b replaced with x.50b1), and when not working kept defaulting back to re= leased x.10 version...had to look at their source code to get a valid download link. Then upon downloading, they didn't have a exe install -- it was an exe->.msi that wouldn't execute "can't find .msi file"...even though it would extract i= t -- so having it open, I copied the .msi file to another location to execute it. Then it wouldn't install due to some incompatibility with my version of the w= indows installer. At that point I gave up. Never got to try Chrome -- no knowledge= of an advanced SVG version nor anything with color management int it. I also read that none of the other browsers even attempt to deal with color r= eproduction of tagged images on the web. Unforunately FF took a step backwards there in = 3.5 when they went from lcms to qcms and broke icc-v4 support -- but they still h= ave icc-v2 support -- better than nothing, but sadly lower than v4.=20 Color management does apply to SVG images as well, BTW. Does inkscape use lc= ms? or rather does it handle v4 profiles. (See http://www.color.org/version4html.xalter for test images). --===============3476909040962539275==-- From Jon Cruz Wed Feb 17 05:14:33 2010 From: Jon Cruz To: inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Color profiles, html5 svg suppt in brwsrs (was Re: SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:14:26 -0800 Message-ID: <62E480D1-71AE-4A8D-90AF-7FF74A2E0C2D@...204...> In-Reply-To: <4B7B7973.9040406@...2679...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6718277317999441845==" --===============6718277317999441845== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Linda A. Walsh wrote: > Color management does apply to SVG images as well, BTW. Does inkscape use = lcms? or > rather does it handle v4 profiles. Inkscape uses lcms. Since it is lcms1 (lcms2 is not quite released yet) Inksc= ape has a CMM that is "a v2 CMM which can deal with (some) V4 profiles." --===============6718277317999441845==-- From Chris Lilley Wed Mar 3 13:01:22 2010 From: Chris Lilley To: inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] SVG support now embeddable in Firefox 3.6 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:43:33 +0100 Message-ID: <96400490.20100303014333@...214...> In-Reply-To: <1266157388.3498.66.camel@...2688...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3858882121846947408==" --===============3858882121846947408== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, February 14, 2010, 3:23:08 PM, Andre wrote: AOS> On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 05:45 -0800, Linda A. Walsh wrote: >> Not in this form. Look at the code --- now there's no special >> namespace for SVG, no special code. That's the point. =20 AOS> could you send a link to the blog post you found this ? AOS> or better, the part in X/HTML5 specification ? AOS> i must have completely missed the news that SVG is now part of the HTML AOS> namespace in the XHTML5 specification :/ It isn't part of the HTML namespace. However, HTML5 does (in its HTML seriali= sation) allow namespace declarations to be omitted for 'well known' namespace= s. When you look in the DOM, the elements are automagically in the namespace you= would expect. AOS> is this only in XHTML5 or also in HTML5 ? Its only in HTML5; XHTML5 requires the namespaces to be declared (otherwise i= ts not ns-wellformed). --=20 Chris Lilley mailto:chris(a)...214... Technical Director, Interaction Domain W3C Graphics Activity Lead Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG --===============3858882121846947408==--