Am 30.08.2018 um 23:01 schrieb C R:

>     It can't ever catch all the cases, though. Layers? Groups? Too much
>     blur? A clip or mask? Other objects above in a different layer? There
>     are so many of those that cause drawing invisible objects, and Inkscape
>     doesn't help with determining the cause (btw. opacity at 0 is the most
>     frequent cause, esp. as there is a bug about the opacity indicator field
>     in the current stable version, after that comes 'fill alpha at 0'. 'no
>     stroke, no fill' is a lot rarer, in my experience).
>
>
> I'm sure we can catch some or most of these. I still maintain it's an
> error to draw a shape with no fill and no stroke, regardless of the
> reason ... with the possible exception of masking or clipping. I don't
> see how groups would be a problem unless the group were set to 0%
> opacity...

- Happens, unfortunately. And people don't notice they are in one when
they try to draw something.

> another thing whic is inadvisable for all the same reasons.
> :) Regardless, if the user hits escape twice, it exits out of any groups
> etc. We should make sure that at least in this condition, where nothing
> else is interfering, the user is able to draw visible shapes effectively
> without having to tweak anything to see what they are drawing. :)
>
>  
>
>     - It might be inadvisable, but it's quick and a way that is currently
>     available to change the line width of a line drawing (like a simple
>     cartoon). I wasn't talking about gradients, and also not about shape
>     properties.
>
>
> A better method is to enter the group, select all, and adjust the
> line-width there. Being able to set the stroke, but not stroke gradient,
> or fill but not fill gradient on a group is inconsistent behaviour and
> needs to be fixed one way or the other - either the group is treated
> like selecting all its contents, or the group needs to be treated like a
> separate shape. Right now its both, and is confusing and inconsistent UX.

- I can set the fill and stroke gradient for a group just fine (in both
master and 0.92.x), what are the cases in which this doesn't work?

Your suggested change can make some actions take a lot longer, because
one needs to select only objects that have a stroke in a group, to
change their stroke width.

>  
>
>     I just don't expect Inkscape to add a stroke when I change the line
>     width - I understand that it might help new users, but it's also
>     illogical.
>
>
> Currently, if the user adjusts the line width and there's no stroke, the
> value is thrown away entirely. That's absolutely apalling UX. :)

- It doesn't do that for me in 0.92.x, which I routinely use. But the
behavior is new in master - and I just noticed someone removed the
stroke width indicator in the lower left corner! Why was that removed? I
use it so often for quick adjustments.

I think these are bugs. This can't be intentional...

Maren

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