On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, bulia byak wrote:
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:30:23 -0500
From: bulia byak <buliabyak@...155...>
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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] [Inkscape-devel] Baffling UI
I think you're becoming (as Bryce said) overly argumentative. I don't
like to start another heated discussion with you, knowing from past
experience it's unlikely to bring fruit, so let's both stop now.
I will try to be more restrained. Some of the mails were sent hastily
when I should have paused and reviewed them further.
I'd just like to point out, for the sake of others who might get
wrong idea from you, that Illustrator has no "warping nodes".
Unfortunately your are not correct.
The best I can manage at the moment is to show you this screenshot and try
to direct your attention to the very hard to find feature (see the hand
with a finger pointing down and beside it a box with a twirl coming out
(found a better link)
From the middle to the left, see warp tool, and twirl
These are taken from Adobe Illustrator CS verison 1
"warp effect" which, like most things in Illustrator, is
a clunky dialog and affects an object as a whole. From the viewpoint
both of which are interative not dialog driven, and admittedly not as good
as the tool in inkscape which I have played around with.
I didn't expect you to know of such an obscure feature in quite a recent
verions of Adobe Illustrator but the audience reading I was very
disappointed when you reverted the Release Notes and insisted this feature
was innovative. The audience reading those notes might very know of the
feature and disagree, and reviewers of non-linux magazines are quite
likely to make more direct comparisions to Illustrator and even wonder why
inkscape developers haven't take a closer look at the competition (despite
it being expensive and impractical). Say it is useful, say it is
powerful, as they are much harder to disagree with but "innovative" can be
contentious and is a word to avoid.
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On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 04:24:00PM +0000, Alan Horkan wrote:
If you are only using it for status and not making much use of the hiding
or locking buttons do you think an indication in the title bar would be
No no no, I do use it for switching, locking and hiding, too.
It give status infomation, and sits in the status bar.
It offers means to change all it informs about with only
taking a tiny bit more space for that.
this started because the status bar messages were unclear and
Hmm. They have tooltips. The only one that made me wonder was the O for
Opacity (I'm looking at a not too recent 0.44+devel version).
Fills, Stroke and Zoom could use icons.
The N/A ... I would just write nothing. no word, empty space.
Note even F: and S: needs to stay there.
The foo "in layer bar" message is really redundant.
The palette bar could hide the scrollbar if it fits in.
You'd think people are only beginners once but unfortunately many
stay there, I for example dont use Blender often enough to retain what
little I have learnt and I'm effectively a beginner everytime. If you
have worked in technical support you find many more users are like this
when it comes to their computer. without really trying inkscape has been
successful in attracting artistic users who want inkscape for their
various kidns of crafts work it will help if things can be kept simple
with one right way to do things and not too many assumptions made about
inkscape users being experts at technical drawing and wanting many
different possibilities to achieve the same end results, as it is the
results that matter.
I still think most users make it to some intermediate level.
If you look at hours spent with a software, users that only
touch it once in a while don't count.