Hey, i just want to ask you guyz what's the best solution to convert from SVG (made in inkscape) to WMF (or EMF) - that's 2 of vector formats that my Swish can import. I'm using ubuntu linux as my primary system, but i also have windowz on the other side if that could help me...

thanks! Jacek Brzeski www.numer9.pl

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Lars Behrens wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:14:42 +0200 Jacek Brzeski <jacek@...1687...> wrote:

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i just want to ask you guyz what's the best solution to convert from SVG (made in inkscape) to WMF (or EMF) - that's 2 of vector formats that my Swish can import. I'm using ubuntu linux as my primary system, but i also have windowz on the other side if that could help me...

OpenOffice can export either to EMF and WMF but I have no experience with it.

I coulnd't find that option in my openoffice. And i can't import SVG made in Inkscape into OO, do i need some plugin for that?

regards, #9 www.numer9.pl

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Lars Behrens wrote:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:36:36 +0200 Jacek Brzeski <jacek@...1687...> wrote:

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I coulnd't find that option in my openoffice.

Which version? I have 2.0.1 there it's under "File" > "Export"

...

And i can't import SVG made in Inkscape into OO, do i need some plugin for that?

Hmm, not possible here, too. Sorry had just been looking for the export.

But I tried in KOffice, ist works there with 1.4.1:

You can open eps and then export to "Windows Meta File". As a test, then opening that file with OOo shows a reasonable result.

HTH!

thanks, i'm using gnome, but i guess i'll try kde for a while... :)

i hope svg will raise into strenght and become standard in every vector app...

regards, Jacek Brzeski www.numer9.pl

One problem with importing Inkscape SVG's into OO is that Inkscape SVG's are not standard SVG's. There is an option in Inkscape to save an SVG file as a "plain SVG file". Try doing that. you might be able to import the resulting SVG into OO.

On 4/13/06, Helge Hielscher <hhielscher@...89...> wrote:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:36:36 +0200, Jacek Brzeski wrote:

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Lars Behrens wrote:

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OpenOffice can export either to EMF and WMF but I have no experience with it.

I coulnd't find that option in my openoffice. And i can't import SVG made in Inkscape into OO, do i need some plugin for that?

Are you using OpenOffice Draw? SVG Import is available here: http://www.ipd.uka.de/~hauma/svg-import/

Regards, Helge

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I don't know how to judge between adherence and non-adherence to standards.

It's not me. It's my software. Various apps, from GIMP to Paintshop Pro, take in SVG's made with sodipodi, for example, but choke or make bad images with Inkscape SVG's. I quit outputting SVG's and simply have Inkscape export PNG's to work on in bitmapped image editors now.

After all, Inkscape itself differentiates between Inkscape SVG and "plain" SVG. If there is no difference, why the output option?

I perhaps wrote in error when I distinguished between Inkscape and "standard" SVG's I should have said "plain" SVG's instead. I'm not sure there is a standard SVG yet.

Finally, do recall that I was suggesting a way to make an SVG file that would be accepted by another app. In the past, I have had better success with the plain option than with the Inkscape option.

On 4/14/06, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...983...> wrote:

On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 10:46:29PM -0400, Edward Hume wrote:

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One problem with importing Inkscape SVG's into OO is that Inkscape SVG's are not standard SVG's.

In what way have you found Inkscape's default SVG to not adhere to the SVG standard?

Bryce

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On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 06:28:25PM -0400, Edward Hume wrote:

It's not me. It's my software. Various apps, from GIMP to Paintshop Pro, take in SVG's made with sodipodi, for example, but choke or make bad images with Inkscape SVG's. I quit outputting SVG's and simply have Inkscape export PNG's to work on in bitmapped image editors now.

Yes, it's unfortunate but true that despite SVG being a true standardized format, there are few applications that are 100% compliant. Even Inkscape is not 100% compliant, although it is definitely our goal to become so one day.

As a general rule, Inkscape's SVG is closer to compliance than many other (even commercial) applications, so many times the issues are due to issues with the other program. If you get really curious about the incompatibilities, a good judge is the program Batik. It's probably the most compliant program out there, so if there is a difference between Inkscape and Batik, we generally assume Batik is correct.

Of course, all this is neither here nor there for users, who just want the programs to interoperate...

After all, Inkscape itself differentiates between Inkscape SVG and "plain" SVG. If there is no difference, why the output option?

I think a good way to think about Inkscape SVG and "plain" SVG is like between a color photo and a black and white photo. The B&W photo will display correctly on a printer, its file size will be smaller, and you may have fewer issues using it in various graphics programs. But despite all these benefits, it doesn't have color!

Similarly, "plain" SVG will display correctly in more programs, be smaller in size, and have fewer issues, but it's still "less" than the original Inkscape SVG.

Finally, do recall that I was suggesting a way to make an SVG file that would be accepted by another app. In the past, I have had better success with the plain option than with the Inkscape option.

Yup, that was good advice you gave; this is exactly why the "plain" SVG was included. Hopefully this thread was also useful to help in explaining that the issue isn't due to Inkscape not being sufficiently standard compared with other programs, but in fact the opposite.

Also, if anyone *does* find an area where Inkscape is failing to meet the SVG standard, those are considered very critically important bugs (almost as critical as crashes or data loss), so please make sure they're listed in our bug tracker.

Bryce

On 4/13/06, Edward Hume <edhume@...155...> wrote:

One problem with importing Inkscape SVG's into OO is that Inkscape SVG's are not standard SVG's.

Yes they are. All standard-conforming SVG renderers show them exactly as they are in Inkscape; if they do not, it's a bug and we fix it (usually quite fast).

-- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:11:38 -0700, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...983...> wrote:

To elaborate, the "Save as plain SVG" function doesn't make the SVG "more standard", rather it strips out otherwise valid SVG content from your files that sometimes cause problems in other programs which are less standards conformant than Inkscape.

There are also non-SVG elements used in SVG-conformant ways. Conforming SVG UAs should (generally speaking) ignore the non-SVG elements they don't understand, although not all do.

-mental

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:46:29 +0200, bulia byak <buliabyak@...155...> wrote:

On 4/12/06, Josef Vybiral <newsgroups@...1337...> wrote:

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I am looking to the left bottom corner in the yesterday's SVN build now and there is already an info about the stroke width. It is next to the colour of stroke and is visible if stroke is defined ;-)

Yes, it is displayed there already, but I also want to add a way to _change_ it right there.

Then, wow, that would be nice.