Selection question
Hi everybody!
Did a drawing with a lot of objects overlapping or covering each other yesterday and I found myself missing a possibility of quickly locking and unlocking an object which is in one's way (like in Illustrator or Scribus), because selecting with [tab] can take a long time when you have many objects in your file.
And for the de luxe-version: AFAIR from my Corel times, they have an [alt] + [click] (or similar) which selects the object underneath the one that is clicked.
Before I file an RFE: Are there such features in Inkscape and I was just too dumb to find them? Maybe they are already planned? Am I the only one to miss them?
Cheerz Lars
Lars Behrens wrote:
Did a drawing with a lot of objects overlapping or covering each other yesterday and I found myself missing a possibility of quickly locking and unlocking an object which is in one's way (like in Illustrator or Scribus), because selecting with [tab] can take a long time when you have many objects in your file.
And for the de luxe-version: AFAIR from my Corel times, they have an [alt] + [click] (or similar) which selects the object underneath the one that is clicked.
Before I file an RFE: Are there such features in Inkscape and I was just too dumb to find them? Maybe they are already planned? Am I the only one to miss them?
Alt+Click just as you say Corel has. Though it seems that my window manager (or something else) grabs this key combo first, probably for the Alt+Drag window movement.
You can find all of the modifier keys listed in the "Keys and Mouse" document located in the help menu.
Aaron Spike
aaron@...476... wrote:
Alt+Click just as you say Corel has. Though it seems that my window manager (or something else) grabs this key combo first, probably for the Alt+Drag window movement.
But it looks like this is old news. :)
http://inkscape.org/archive.php?m=200409&paged=2
Aaron Spike
on Thursday 19 May 2005 14:04 aaron@...476... wrote:
aaron@...476... wrote:
Alt+Click just as you say Corel has. Though it seems that my window manager (or something else) grabs this key combo first, probably for the Alt+Drag window movement.
But it looks like this is old news. :)
Thanks again. Though I think I can live with ctl+alt+click and ctl+shift+click, maybe someone knows how to remap Alt+click, e.g. to ALtGR + click? For I don't want to change the wm's behavior.
I have looked into /usr/local/share/inkscape/ui/keybindings.rc but that is obviously only for keyboard, not for the modifier+mouse keys.
Only found that: "TODO: KeysAndMouse Tutorials About" :-D
Cheerz Lars
Lars Behrens wrote:
Thanks again. Though I think I can live with ctl+alt+click and ctl+shift+click, maybe someone knows how to remap Alt+click, e.g. to ALtGR + click? For I don't want to change the wm's behavior.
I'm using Gnome and Metacity at home. There was a window somewhere in the menu labeled "Windows". With that I was able to change the binding from Alt+Drag to Logo+Drag. That worked for me. But as you said, you don't want to change the wm.
Aaron
on Thursday 19 May 2005 15:30 aaron@...476... wrote:
I'm using Gnome and Metacity at home. There was a window somewhere in the menu labeled "Windows". With that I was able to change the binding from Alt+Drag to Logo+Drag. That worked for me. But as you said, you don't want to change the wm.
Sorry, I meant remapping it in Inkscape. Cheerz Lars
on Thursday 19 May 2005 13:38 aaron@...476... wrote:
Alt+Click just as you say Corel has. Though it seems that my window manager (or something else) grabs this key combo first, probably for the Alt+Drag window movement.
Thank you. Same here with Alt+Drag being reserved for the window manager.
You can find all of the modifier keys listed in the "Keys and Mouse" document located in the help menu.
Thanks. I had looked there but obviously it was too late in the night ;-)
Cheerz Lars
On 5/19/05, Lars Behrens <Lars.Behrens@...544...> wrote:
Thank you. Same here with Alt+Drag being reserved for the window manager.
Just turn it off in the window manager.
Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2005 18:13 schrieb bulia byak:
Thank you. Same here with Alt+Drag being reserved for the window manager.
Just turn it off in the window manager.
Hmm, naw. I don't want to. It's like binding a certain action to ctrl+alt+backspace and telling the user to change the xserver's bindings :-)
Cheerz Lars
On 5/19/05, Lars Behrens <LarsBehrens@...26...> wrote:
Hmm, naw. I don't want to. It's like binding a certain action to ctrl+alt+backspace and telling the user to change the xserver's bindings :-)
No it's not, actually. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace is just one of about 800 possible key combinations (100 keys multiplied by 8 modifier combinations with three modifiers - Ctrl, Alt, Shift), so stealing it by the window manager reduces the pool of keys available to applications by 1/800. With mouse, however, there are only 8 ways to click with 3 modifiers, so stealing one of them leaves me with 1/8 less mouse combinations, which is much worse (plus the stolen combination is a top-level one, using only one modifier, so it can even be argued to be closer to 1/4, not 1/8). So I feel quite justified in taking it back.
It's up to you what to use, of course, but I don't think we must make our editing interface less rich or less convenient in order to accommodate a convetion used on only one of the three platforms that we support. All we can do is use Alt+mouse for as non-essential actions as possible, and this we are trying to do.
By the way, in the original mail it was you who referred to Corel using Alt+click. How did you imagine us implementing it without disabling it in the window manager? This is simply not possible.
bulia byak <buliabyak@...155...> writes:
No it's not, actually. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace is just one of about 800 possible key combinations (100 keys multiplied by 8 modifier combinations with three modifiers - Ctrl, Alt, Shift), so stealing it
A minor correction: There are potentially seven modifiers, not counting (caps) lock: Control, Shift, Mod1 through Mod5.
Typical mice have five buttons (left/middle/right, scroll up/down), although IIRC the protocol supports more.
So in coefficient is potentially ~1/12800 versus 1/640.
by the window manager reduces the pool of keys available to applications by 1/800. With mouse, however, there are only 8 ways to click with 3 modifiers, so stealing one of them leaves me with 1/8 less mouse combinations, which is much worse (plus the stolen combination is a top-level one, using only one modifier, so it can even be argued to be closer to 1/4, not 1/8). So I feel quite justified in taking it back.
Indeed, I have all my WM-level bindings use the Hyper key, which is mapped to the key between Control and Alt on my US/105 keyboard.
It's up to you what to use, of course, but I don't think we must make our editing interface less rich or less convenient in order to accommodate a convetion used on only one of the three platforms that we support.
Oh, sorry, are we speaking of Aqua or Windows? Forget I spoke.
on Thursday 19 May 2005 22:35 bulia byak wrote:
On 5/19/05, Lars Behrens <LarsBehrens@...26...> wrote:
Hmm, naw. I don't want to. It's like binding a certain action to ctrl+alt+backspace and telling the user to change the xserver's bindings :-)
It's up to you what to use, of course, but I don't think we must make our editing interface less rich or less convenient in order to accommodate a convetion used on only one of the three platforms that we support. All we can do is use Alt+mouse for as non-essential actions as possible, and this we are trying to do.
Of course I see the problem with an app for several platforms. And as far as I can see, for me ctrl + alt + click and ctrl + alt + shift + click seem to be sufficient.
I didn't mean you to change anything.
By the way, in the original mail it was you who referred to Corel using Alt+click. How did you imagine us implementing it without disabling it in the window manager? This is simply not possible.
I did not mean to use that special combination (I wrote "or similar" because I even didn't remember the exact combination, didn't use Corel since a long time) or any special one. As I wasn't aware that Inkscape already has that feature, I simply wanted to give an example that there is one application that I know of, which uses it. I simply didn't put a lot of thinking behind it.
Hope I could clarify that :-)
And how about the quick locking/unlocking of objects, do you see a chance for that?
Cheerz Lars
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