User feedback on Inkscape + some requests.
Hi all, I hope this is the right place for this type of post - I noticed some developers are following this list, and I am a user after all. I'd like to offer some feedback about my experience with Inkscape
I'm a professional graphic artist for a small high tech company. I've been using Inkscape for illustration for a few months now. You can see some of the things I've done recently on this link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/18405241@...1706.../sets/72057594086216100/ It's not much, usually I do 3D work and I don't get to do much vector work, but when I do, lately, it's always in Inkscape if I can.
First of all, after using illustrator for a couple of years and butting my head against the wall with frustration on a daily basis, Inkscape is simply a joy to use. I rave about Inkscape to anyone I know in the business.
Now for some comments on what I feel would help users achieve results faster: These are not feature requests, just some interface tweaks I feel would enhance Inkscape.
I use Windows XP at work, and my screen resolution is 1152X864. at this resolution, and on smaller resolutions, Inkscape's dialogs are very large, and take away screen space. On a 1024X768 desktop it's even worse and it's getting difficult to use Inkscape properly. Since currently dialog windows (on Win32) can't stay above the main window, I always try to put them on the right side of the screen and arrange them so they don't overlap the canvas. This way I can work continuously without having to turn dialogs on and off all the time. However, many dialogs are very tall or very wide and there's no good way to arrange them so they are all visible.
What can be done here? I think several windows need to be trimmed down. For example, the icon preview window has a preview for an icon size of 128X128 pixels. At such a large size, a pixel preview is not really needed: I think a maximum size of 48X48, like it was before, is enough. Another example is the gradient editor: it used to be a part of the fill and stroke dialog but now it is seperate and takes up even more space or gets lost under the canvas.
Other dialogs could use a redesign so they have the same width of the narrower dialogs: The font dialog can be rearranged in a more vertical manner, or divided into "font" and "paragraph" tabs. The align and distribute dialog can also be divided into tabs so it isn't so tall.
There is the whole issue of widget size which affects dialog size: Inkscape's widgets seem to be designed for large monitor sizes, while in other graphic applications widgets tend to be smaller and so a lot of dialogs fit in a neat row at the right of the screen. If there is a way to implement something like Gimp's theme chooser which allows you to choose a theme where all the widgets are smaller, it would be great.
This is my 2 cents about dialogs. Something else I think could enhance Inkscape is promoting a couple of effects to a full tool status: envelope and interpolate. Interpolate is important for doing non-standard gradients: mostly done when illustrating shapes with complex curved surfaces, like people or cars. Envelope of course gives you a perspective transform which is important for many effects. I guess it won't happen overnight but consider putting it on some future milestone.
I'd like to finish by saying thanks to all the developers, you've certainly made my work easier and more fun. I can't code (sorry!) but I can create mockups for dialog tweaks, if you'd like.
Michael Grosberg
Michael Grosberg wrote:
This is my 2 cents about dialogs. Something else I think could enhance Inkscape is promoting a couple of effects to a full tool status: envelope and interpolate. Interpolate is important for doing non-standard gradients: mostly done when illustrating shapes with complex curved surfaces, like people or cars. Envelope of course gives you a perspective transform which is important for many effects. I guess it won't happen overnight but consider putting it on some future milestone.
While this isn't on the roadmap, we do have a pretty clear path charted toward implementation and work is just starting. Now all we need is more free time to knock this feature out.
I'd like to finish by saying thanks to all the developers, you've certainly made my work easier and more fun. I can't code (sorry!) but I can create mockups for dialog tweaks, if you'd like.
Mockups are always appreciated.
Aaron
On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:28 AM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
What can be done here? I think several windows need to be trimmed down. For example, the icon preview window has a preview for an icon size of 128X128 pixels. At such a large size, a pixel preview is not really needed: I think a maximum size of 48X48, like it was before, is enough.
Actually.... other uses asked for it to be changed to the way it is.
However, if *you* want to change that, you can just edit the preferences. There's a group "iconpreview" that has a group "sizes" that has a set of groups, one for each size. Just change the appropriate size group's "show" value to 0 (zero) and it will go away next time you start up.
There is the whole issue of widget size which affects dialog size: Inkscape's widgets seem to be designed for large monitor sizes, while in other graphic applications widgets tend to be smaller and so a lot of dialogs fit in a neat row at the right of the screen. If there is a way to implement something like Gimp's theme chooser which allows you to choose a theme where all the widgets are smaller, it would be great.
The sizes in Inkscape follow the stock GTK+ mechanisms, so you should just be able to change things in a gtkrc to get the desired sizes.
Jon A. Cruz wrote:
On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:28 AM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
What can be done here? I think several windows need to be trimmed down. For example, the icon preview window has a preview for an icon size of 128X128 pixels. At such a large size, a pixel preview is not really needed: I think a maximum size of 48X48, like it was before, is enough.
Actually.... other uses asked for it to be changed to the way it is.
However, if *you* want to change that, you can just edit the preferences. There's a group "iconpreview" that has a group "sizes" that has a set of groups, one for each size. Just change the appropriate size group's "show" value to 0 (zero) and it will go away next time you start up.
Michael, I've looked at your situation and any issue goes away using the "standard" graphic design monitor running at 1600 by 1200 pixels. I find no trouble using Inkscape and the drop-down menus, even icon preview... all are as they should be for rapid graphic production. Big monitors aren't too pricey these days, not compared to what they were in 1988, my first-time buy of a Sony 21". <smile>
Frank
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Micheal, I agree, after using Freehand, I can't live with out Inkscape. After spending hundreds of hours with it I feel it is intuitive and fast. I work on an Apple G5 in X11.app and I had to rearrange my python framework and my perl library to get most of the effects to work. I too can't write code, but, I can trace problems and make small adjustments to track changes. I am using 0.43 but am using fink to supply the necessary perl and python. My biggest problem is I can't get the dropshadow to work. Oh well. I hope that Inkscape continues to excite and draw in the necessary experienced people to keep me in business, and the same for fink. Just wanted to add my two cents. Thanks every one. Dan On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:28 AM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
Hi all, I hope this is the right place for this type of post - I noticed some developers are following this list, and I am a user after all. I'd like to offer some feedback about my experience with Inkscape
I'm a professional graphic artist for a small high tech company. I've been using Inkscape for illustration for a few months now. You can see some of the things I've done recently on this link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/18405241@...1706.../sets/72057594086216100/ It's not much, usually I do 3D work and I don't get to do much vector work, but when I do, lately, it's always in Inkscape if I can.
First of all, after using illustrator for a couple of years and butting my head against the wall with frustration on a daily basis, Inkscape is simply a joy to use. I rave about Inkscape to anyone I know in the business.
Now for some comments on what I feel would help users achieve results faster: These are not feature requests, just some interface tweaks I feel would enhance Inkscape.
I use Windows XP at work, and my screen resolution is 1152X864. at this resolution, and on smaller resolutions, Inkscape's dialogs are very large, and take away screen space. On a 1024X768 desktop it's even worse and it's getting difficult to use Inkscape properly. Since currently dialog windows (on Win32) can't stay above the main window, I always try to put them on the right side of the screen and arrange them so they don't overlap the canvas. This way I can work continuously without having to turn dialogs on and off all the time. However, many dialogs are very tall or very wide and there's no good way to arrange them so they are all visible.
What can be done here? I think several windows need to be trimmed down. For example, the icon preview window has a preview for an icon size of 128X128 pixels. At such a large size, a pixel preview is not really needed: I think a maximum size of 48X48, like it was before, is enough. Another example is the gradient editor: it used to be a part of the fill and stroke dialog but now it is seperate and takes up even more space or gets lost under the canvas.
Other dialogs could use a redesign so they have the same width of the narrower dialogs: The font dialog can be rearranged in a more vertical manner, or divided into "font" and "paragraph" tabs. The align and distribute dialog can also be divided into tabs so it isn't so tall.
There is the whole issue of widget size which affects dialog size: Inkscape's widgets seem to be designed for large monitor sizes, while in other graphic applications widgets tend to be smaller and so a lot of dialogs fit in a neat row at the right of the screen. If there is a way to implement something like Gimp's theme chooser which allows you to choose a theme where all the widgets are smaller, it would be great.
This is my 2 cents about dialogs. Something else I think could enhance Inkscape is promoting a couple of effects to a full tool status: envelope and interpolate. Interpolate is important for doing non-standard gradients: mostly done when illustrating shapes with complex curved surfaces, like people or cars. Envelope of course gives you a perspective transform which is important for many effects. I guess it won't happen overnight but consider putting it on some future milestone.
I'd like to finish by saying thanks to all the developers, you've certainly made my work easier and more fun. I can't code (sorry!) but I can create mockups for dialog tweaks, if you'd like.
Michael Grosberg
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On 3/22/06, Michael Grosberg <preacher_public@...9...> wrote:
Another example is the gradient editor: it used to be a part of the fill and stroke dialog but now it is seperate and takes up even more space or gets lost under the canvas.
Quite the contrary - before, you had to open fill&stroke. Now you can do all this right on the canvas without any dialog. The only case when you need a dialog is if you want multistop gradients.
Other dialogs could use a redesign so they have the same width of the narrower dialogs: The font dialog can be rearranged in a more vertical manner, or divided into "font" and "paragraph" tabs.
This one is going to eventually be duplicated in the more powerful Text tool controls bar. (I know I'm way overdue with that...)
The align and distribute dialog can also be
divided into tabs so it isn't so tall.
This might be a good thing to do. Then again, when we have easy toolbars, align&distribute buttons may get a toolbar of their own, in addition to the dialog.
-- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org
bulia byak wrote:
On 3/22/06, Michael Grosberg <preacher_public@...9...> wrote:
The align and distribute dialog can also be
divided into tabs so it isn't so tall.
This might be a good thing to do. Then again, when we have easy toolbars, align&distribute buttons may get a toolbar of their own, in addition to the dialog.
I have that on my list of mini-toolbars. :) So far I have the following toolbars planned:
Align Distribute Inset/Outset with Amount Field Offsets Break Apart/Combine Boolean Ops clipPath Mask Display mode Next/Previous/Duplicate Window
Clippath and mask would be separate provided they get more options, otherwise I'd opt for one if that would be okay. Also, Align and Distribute would get either a right-click menu or combobox for the "relative to" aspect depending on what people think.
I know that we'll need a few new icons for some that don't currently have one, but these are the things that it seems would be nice to have as optional toolbars. I'd personally probably have most of them always turned on too. Does anyone have anything to add or comment on?
-Josh
Josh, Excellent Dan On Mar 23, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Joshua A. Andler wrote:
bulia byak wrote:
On 3/22/06, Michael Grosberg <preacher_public@...9...> wrote: The align and distribute dialog can also be
divided into tabs so it isn't so tall.
This might be a good thing to do. Then again, when we have easy toolbars, align&distribute buttons may get a toolbar of their own, in addition to the dialog.
I have that on my list of mini-toolbars. :) So far I have the following toolbars planned:
Align Distribute Inset/Outset with Amount Field Offsets Break Apart/Combine Boolean Ops clipPath Mask Display mode Next/Previous/Duplicate Window
Clippath and mask would be separate provided they get more options, otherwise I'd opt for one if that would be okay. Also, Align and Distribute would get either a right-click menu or combobox for the "relative to" aspect depending on what people think.
I know that we'll need a few new icons for some that don't currently have one, but these are the things that it seems would be nice to have as optional toolbars. I'd personally probably have most of them always turned on too. Does anyone have anything to add or comment on?
-Josh
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bulia byak <buliabyak@...125...> writes:
This might be a good thing to do. Then again, when we have easy toolbars, align&distribute buttons may get a toolbar of their own, in addition to the dialog.
Thanks for your responses and suggestions everyone, I just switched to a flat 19" panel and the higher resolution solves most of my issues. I'll try and fiddle with the icon preview and will wait for future Inkscape developments on the UI front - you're doing a great job (the mask and clip rules!)
Michael
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Aaron Spike
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bulia byak
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Daniel Culver
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frank gaude'
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Jon A. Cruz
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Joshua A. Andler
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Michael Grosberg