Re: [Inkscape-user] I'd prefer guides per layer
IMO a much better improvement of the guides would be colored guides, so they could be distinguishable.
Molumen
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thorsten Wilms" <t_w_@...1631...> To: inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] I'd prefer guides per layer
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 11:05:43PM +0100, Dennis Heuer wrote:
That's it.
I wouldn't. That's it.
No seriously, what's the use case?
I'm rather sure it's common to use guides to align objects across layers.
Guide layers could be a compromise.
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On 2/12/07, Donn <donn.ingle@...155...> wrote:
IMO a much better improvement of the guides would be colored guides, so they could be distinguishable.
And add to that, guide-layers such that shapes draw become guides : any angle and shape.
Any layer can work more or less as a guide layer if you turn on snapping to paths.
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Donn wrote:
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] I'd prefer guides per layer
IMO a much better improvement of the guides would be colored guides, so they could be distinguishable.
And add to that, guide-layers such that shapes draw become guides : any angle and shape.
Making guides that much more complicated and overloaded is not a good idea and I merged or closed various requests of that nature. Guides that complicated would be self defeating and ultimately perspective grids would be much more useful for creating complex techincal drawings. Thankfully our request tracker groups all requests for Guides and Grids together in one category. Corel has some interesting implementations of various kinds of advanced grids. Products such as Microsoft Visio will temporarily show blue lines while drawing to help show things like a 45 degree angle, but these features are quite seperate from Guides which remain as basic and simple as they have always been.
There are so many different ways to do these things it is vitally important to ask why, as Thorsten did (try to be as polite as possible though). With a particular problem in mind it makes it possible to streamline a process and avoid adding yet anothe option. Understanding the underlying problem and being aware of the approaches other projects have taken allows the Inkscape developers to pick and choose from the best ideas already out there and then do things even better, so screenshots and detailed descriptions with bug reports can be very helpful.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan http://www.linkedin.com/in/alanhorkan
Alan Horkan wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Donn wrote:
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] I'd prefer guides per layer
IMO a much better improvement of the guides would be
colored guides,
so they could be distinguishable.
And add to that, guide-layers such that shapes draw become guides : any angle and shape.
Corel has some interesting implementations of various kinds of advanced grids. Products such as Microsoft Visio will temporarily show blue lines while drawing to help show things like a 45 degree angle, but these features are quite seperate from Guides which remain as basic and simple as they have always been. ... Understanding the underlying problem and being aware of the approaches other projects have taken allows the Inkscape developers to pick and choose from the best ideas already out there and then do things even better, so screenshots and detailed descriptions with bug reports can be very helpful.
I would gladly see drawings etc. of what people would like to see and how it is done in other programs; I like the time for an exhaustive research myself. I am working on the grid system at the moment, and it should not take too long before the axonometric (3D) grid becomes fully functional. Right now I am trying to provide an easy way to implement new grids, so although it might take a while for any other advanced grid to be implemented, at least the extra info will help me a lot in deciding what to provide and what not.
More on topic: I am thinking about implementing a guide dialog (where all guides are listed and can be editted) aswell as guide coloring as proposed in this thread.
To repeat: for all feature requests, provide as much information as detailed as possible. It will tremendously speed up the implementation process and it provides a good base for discussion.
Cheers, Johan
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 J.B.C.Engelen@...2072... wrote:
Corel has some interesting implementations of various kinds of advanced grids. Products such as Microsoft Visio will temporarily show blue lines while drawing to help show things like a 45 degree angle, but these features are quite seperate from Guides which remain as basic and simple as they have always been. ... Understanding the underlying problem and being aware of the approaches other projects have taken allows the Inkscape developers to pick and choose from the best ideas already out there and then do things even better, so screenshots and detailed descriptions with bug reports can be very helpful.
I would gladly see drawings etc. of what people would like to see and how it is done in other programs; I like the time for an exhaustive research myself. I am working on the grid system at the moment, and it should not take too long before the axonometric (3D) grid becomes fully functional. Right now I am trying to provide an easy way to implement new grids, so although it might take a while for any other advanced grid to be implemented, at least the extra info will help me a lot in deciding what to provide and what not.
Excellent news, I'll try and rustle up some screenshots of Corel Painter (which is where I saw the feature) but I dont have access to the program myself so if anyone else could provide screenshots it would be a big help.
More on topic: I am thinking about implementing a guide dialog (where all guides are listed and can be editted) aswell as guide coloring as proposed in this thread.
Discoverability of the existing guides functionality sucks rocks, if you click on a guide a little dialog appears allowing you to specify the coordinates. Maybe this existing dialog could be changed to a "New Guide" dialog rather than a move guide dialog, or a combination of both (with a menu item for New Guide)?
1002695 Easy, "New Guide.." and "Clear Guides" https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1002695&gr...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 J.B.C.Engelen@...2072... wrote:
I would gladly see drawings etc. of what people would like to see and how it is done in other programs; I like the time for an exhaustive research myself.
Badly miswritten: I mean I _lack_ the time for an exhaustive research. My apologies.
On 2007-February-13 , at 15:11 , Alan Horkan wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 J.B.C.Engelen@...2072... wrote: [...]
More on topic: I am thinking about implementing a guide dialog (where all guides are listed and can be editted) aswell as guide coloring as proposed in this thread.
Discoverability of the existing guides functionality sucks rocks, if you click on a guide a little dialog appears allowing you to specify the coordinates.
speaking of discoverability, I tried to find a way to position guide precisely and never found this feature (which was exactly what I was looking for). When the mouse is on a guide the status bar message displays its position, maybe this could be added: "double click to edit position". and maybe simple click would be enough: it's difficult to double click on such a thin object (particularly with a pen or a trackpad) and clic+drag or simple clic can be distinguished I think.
[...] 1002695 Easy, "New Guide.." and "Clear Guides" https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func=detail&aid=1002695&group_id=93438&atid=604309
I added this to the RFE
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jiho wrote:
On 2007-February-13 , at 15:11 , Alan Horkan wrote:
Discoverability of the existing guides functionality sucks rocks, if you click on a guide a little dialog appears allowing you to specify the coordinates.
bother. it's taken me this long to realise i can double-click guides......
but hey, now i know!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's fab!
spiffx
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, jiho wrote:
Discoverability of the existing guides functionality sucks rocks, if you click on a guide a little dialog appears allowing you to specify the coordinates.
speaking of discoverability, I tried to find a way to position guide precisely and never found this feature (which was exactly what I was looking for).
Once it is possible to create a new guide I figure most of the rest is moot. not much need to move a guide if you can easily remove one and add a new one where you really want it. far simpler, no?
On 2007-February-13 , at 15:11 , Alan Horkan wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 J.B.C.Engelen@...2072... wrote: [...]
More on topic: I am thinking about implementing a guide dialog (where all guides are listed and can be editted) aswell as guide coloring as proposed in this thread.
Discoverability of the existing guides functionality sucks rocks, if you click on a guide a little dialog appears allowing you to specify the coordinates.
speaking of discoverability, I tried to find a way to position guide precisely and never found this feature (which was exactly what I was looking for). When the mouse is on a guide the status bar message displays its position, maybe this could be added: "double click to edit position". and maybe simple click would be enough: it's difficult to double click on such a thin object (particularly with a pen or a trackpad) and clic+drag or simple clic can be distinguished I think.
IMO all the guide coordinates fields must appear in the dynamic funtion bar (the one that changes depending on the selected tool). Also, a guide must be selectable (a single click is more than enough). Double clicking to edit guides is not the right way to do as it is counterproductive, as mentioned previously.
Molumen
I would gladly see drawings etc. of what people would like to see and how it is done in other programs; I like the time for an exhaustive research myself. I am working on the grid system at the moment, and it should not take too long before the axonometric (3D) grid becomes fully functional. Right now I am trying to provide an easy way to implement new grids, so although it might take a while for any other advanced grid to be implemented, at least the extra info will help me a lot in deciding what to provide and what not.
More on topic: I am thinking about implementing a guide dialog (where all guides are listed and can be edited) aswell as guide coloring as proposed in this thread.
To repeat: for all feature requests, provide as much information as detailed as possible. It will tremendously speed up the implementation process and it provides a good base for discussion.
Cheers, Johan
Hi, I attached a couple of screenshots of guidelines from Corel Draw. The first screenshot (guides1.png) shows the colored and rotated guidelines. The guidelines can be colored directly from the palette (same color selection as for outline color). Also, IMO a good thing is that the guides are drawn with dotted lines, and not full lines. This way they don't distract too much, while staying visible.
The second screenshot (guides2.png) shows the guidelines manager window, where guides can be added/deleted/moved/rotated
Also, Corel has the possibility to move selected guidelines with the keyboard, and guidelines can stick to objects and to other guidelines. It's a VERY useful functionality that I use for example to put guides around an newly created object (yellow guides around a 50x90mm business card in the third example) and then create a 3mm bleed area with other guides (the new green guides are sticked to the yellow ones, then moved with the keyboard that has a 1mm nudge set), to place cut / imposition marks. It's a real time saver since I don't have to fill precise coordinates for every single guide I create, the central object itself is the start point for all the guide positions.
Thanks! Molumen
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, momo wrote:
More on topic: I am thinking about implementing a guide dialog (where all guides are listed and can be edited) aswell as guide coloring as proposed in this thread.
To repeat: for all feature requests, provide as much information as detailed as possible. It will tremendously speed up the implementation process and it provides a good base for discussion.
I attached a couple of screenshots of guidelines from Corel Draw. The first screenshot (guides1.png) shows the colored and rotated guidelines. The guidelines can be colored directly from the palette (same color selection as for outline color). Also, IMO a good thing is that the guides are drawn with dotted lines, and not full lines. This way they don't distract too much, while staying visible.
Dotted lines for guides are a good idea, everyone else does them that why odd that Inkscape doesn't. Colour may not seem like such a great idea but it needs to be configurable to some extent for accessibility reasons.
The second screenshot (guides2.png) shows the guidelines manager window, where guides can be added/deleted/moved/rotated
Hmmm. Seems comlicated. Overkill?
Also, Corel has the possibility to move selected guidelines with the keyboard, and guidelines can stick to objects and to other guidelines. It's a VERY useful functionality that I use for example to put guides around an newly created object (yellow guides around a 50x90mm business card in the
I guess I really should write a script to put guides around the current selection bounding box. The only reason I wrote a guides to selection script for the GNU Image Manipulation program was to make image slicing less cumbersome, I hadn't really considered it would be all that useful for actual artistic purposes so this is interesting to know.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
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