I realise Inkscape inherited a lot of code from Sodipodi and Sodipodi was using SVG as a means to an end rather than trying to produce clean markup that could be easily edited manually but what I would like to know is if there are any plans or exisiting request for Inkscape to use the standard ellipse rect and polygon tags? (If I could think of something to search for I might stand I better chance of finding an existing RFE but a quick skim of the first few pages didn't turn up much).
I grabbed a nightly build and produce a simple file with a Rectangle, an Ellipse and a Star but when I inspected the markup all were represented in the file using Paths. (From a techincal point of View it is interesting that Convert Object to Path doesn't actually convert anything.) I realise the Inkscape ellipse supports more functionality than can be represented by an ellipse but I think using the tags where possible would produce much cleaner markup which is very useful to people like me who like to obsessively tweak their images and carefully hand edit the markup.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/
On 6/24/05, Alan Horkan <horkana@...3...> wrote:
that Convert Object to Path doesn't actually convert anything.) I realise the Inkscape ellipse supports more functionality than can be represented by an ellipse
Not only that. At least two more reasons:
- <ellipse> etc. can't have markers, only <path> can
- you can't attach text to <ellipse> etc, only to <path>
So using these tags internally by Inkscape is really out of the question. These functionality limitations are quite serious and, what's especially bad, would look arbitrary to users. Besides, switching between a shape tag and <path> would make the shapes code significantly more complex. Currently the only shape that still uses a "native" tag is rectange that uses <rect>, but I plan to switch it to <path> when I have some free time.
However if you need these tags in your SVG, it's a good idea for an extension. Writing a script that would convert, where possible, Inkscape shapes to SVG shape tags should not be too difficult. You can file a RFE for it.
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, bulia byak wrote:
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:43:41 -0300 From: bulia byak <buliabyak@...155...> Reply-To: inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net To: inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] cleaner markup SVG ellipse rect polygon?
On 6/24/05, Alan Horkan <horkana@...3...> wrote:
that Convert Object to Path doesn't actually convert anything.) I realise the Inkscape ellipse supports more functionality than can be represented by an ellipse
Cleaner markup is simply easier to work with in other tools, and given my limited programming skills and the dearth of tools out there my primary tools is a text editor.
Not only that. At least two more reasons:
- <ellipse> etc. can't have markers, only <path> can
(markers are arrowheads and other line decorations right?)
I already acknowledged there would be some limitations but I was hoping things could be changed so that Inkscape would only step up from ellipse to path when necessary.
A single ellipse to represent a circle produces much smaller cleaner and more efficient markup than trying to represent it inaccurately as a series of points on a path.
I dont believe it is impossible but are you sure is it really as widly impractical as you are suggesting it would be?
- you can't attach text to <ellipse> etc, only to <path>
(grouping as a workaround? I'll have to take a look at how this works and see if there is a plausible way it could be faked)
So using these tags internally by Inkscape is really out of the question. These functionality limitations are quite serious and, what's especially bad, would look arbitrary to users.
I'm not advocating any user visible changes but rather that Inkscape only steps up to paths when needed by those features rather than using Paths everywhere which seems rather out of step with Inkscapes goal of fully supporting SVG. (I'll have to look closer and see if Inkscape is any good at roundtripping documents. If I can create the clean markup I want and not have Inkscape obliterate it that might be enough).
Besides, switching between a shape tag and <path> would make the shapes code significantly more complex. Currently the only shape that still uses a "native" tag is rectange that uses <rect>, but I plan to switch it to <path> when I have some free time.
It didn't in my sample document. Rect can do rounded rectangles so I would be interested to know why you feel it is necessary, I would have thought it would be the ideal candidate for using the standard SVG markup.
However if you need these tags in your SVG, it's a good idea for an extension.
"Need" is negotiable. I prefer to have markup I can keep clean and edit in a text editor occasionally (final touchups) without wanting to tear my hair out.
I am used to another SVG application one of the few upsides of which is the clean SVG it produces. This is one factor keeping me from using Inkscape more often.
If there exists an "SVG Tidy" program I'd love to know about it.
Writing a script that would convert, where possible, Inkscape shapes to SVG shape tags should not be too difficult. You can file a RFE for it.
Sound difficult for me to do ... I'll see about filing that RFE anyway though.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
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On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 17:06 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote:
I dont believe it is impossible but are you sure is it really as widly impractical as you are suggesting it would be?
It's seriously not easy right now. We're just not set up for renaming XML elements attached to live objects.
Basically the way it would have to be done currently is to delete the existing XML node and recreate it from scratch with the new element name. Which would result in the SPItem getting torn down and rebuilt too. It'd be hard to maintain the current selection everywhere, etc, etc...
I've been working out how to permit renaming elements without tearing down SPItems, but there are a lot of subtle gotchas that I've not managed to solve yet.
(Most notably, it opens the door to needing to effectively change the class of an SPItem on the fly. Particularly in the ellipse <-> path[sodipodi:type="arc"] case. C++ doesn't really do that though.)
-mental
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, MenTaLguY wrote:
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:01:23 -0400 From: MenTaLguY <mental@...32...> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...3...> Cc: Inkscape Users List inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] cleaner markup SVG ellipse rect polygon?
On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 17:06 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote:
I dont believe it is impossible but are you sure is it really as widly impractical as you are suggesting it would be?
It's seriously not easy right now. We're just not set up for renaming XML elements attached to live objects.
Basically the way it would have to be done currently is to delete the existing XML node and recreate it from scratch with the new element name. Which would result in the SPItem getting torn down and rebuilt too. It'd be hard to maintain the current selection everywhere, etc, etc...
Okay clearly that is nasty.
I've been working out how to permit renaming elements without tearing down SPItems, but there are a lot of subtle gotchas that I've not managed to solve yet.
(Most notably, it opens the door to needing to effectively change the class of an SPItem on the fly. Particularly in the ellipse <-> path[sodipodi:type="arc"] case. C++ doesn't really do that though.)
One last try, would it be any less nasty to try and get the Plain SVG exporter to recognise when rect, ellipse, etc could be used and output cleaner markup as appropriate?
Thanks for making the effort to explain things.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
Inkscape http://inkscape.org Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org
Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/
Hi,
On 6/25/05, MenTaLguY <mental@...32...> wrote:
On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 17:06 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote:
(snip)
(Most notably, it opens the door to needing to effectively change the class of an SPItem on the fly. Particularly in the ellipse <-> path[sodipodi:type="arc"] case. C++ doesn't really do that though.)
-mental
I am an semi-intermediate level C++ user. Could you please elaborate as what C++ does not really do? I would certainly appreciate your reply in this respect.
TIA
Asif
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On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 17:41 -0700, Asif Lodhi wrote:
I am an semi-intermediate level C++ user. Could you please elaborate as what C++ does not really do? I would certainly appreciate your reply in this respect.
You can't take an object of class A and simply modify it into an object of class B.
I'm not refering to references, pointers, or copies, but an actual singular object.
In this specific case, it would be an issue of changing an SPEllipse into an SPArc. To replace a <path> with an <ellipse> or vice-versa transparently on the fly as Alan had requested, we'd need to take the overlying SPArc and make it into an SPEllipse without disturbing its identity. Otherwise it won't be transparent (e.g. it would disrupt the current selection and tool state).
Of course just because C++ doesn't directly support something doesn't mean you can't do it with a suitable abstraction; we could:
1. go ahead and replace the SPEllipse with a new SPArc based on it, and use SPObject::successor() to repoint all references (theoretically doable, but very, very messy... it'd destroy the codebase architecturally)
2. Introduce opaque handles or facades which can be repointed behind the scenes instead of using SPObject * directly (feasible, but probably not worth the overhead, and would require major surgery throughout the codebase)
I don't think either of those two approaches are acceptable.
Ideally what we'd want to do instead would be to get rid of e.g. SPEllipse and roll _all_ the ellipse/circle stuff under SPArc. So no "class change" would be necessary. Then we can be free to rename the element as needed.
But we will still need a lot of other infrastructure in place to permit renaming existing XML nodes, because allowing them to be renamed in general still means that a different SPObject subclass may be required in the overlying layer after the rename.
It needn't be seamless in the case of blatantly differing element types, but it would still need to be done. And the code to do it has proven difficult design-wise.
So Alan's request isn't doable in the short-term. It's not necessarily a bad one in the future when we have more infrastructure to do it with.
-mental
On 6/25/05, Alan Horkan <horkana@...3...> wrote:
Cleaner markup is simply easier to work with in other tools, and given my limited programming skills and the dearth of tools out there my primary tools is a text editor.
Clean markup is nice, but it's far from being a top priority with Inkscape. Other things are usually more important.
(markers are arrowheads and other line decorations right?)
Yes.
I already acknowledged there would be some limitations but I was hoping things could be changed so that Inkscape would only step up from ellipse to path when necessary.
Too many times when this is "necessary". Changing shapes, adding markers, attaching text... Much simpler to just always keep it in <path>.
A single ellipse to represent a circle produces much smaller cleaner and more efficient markup than trying to represent it inaccurately as a series of points on a path.
No loss of accuracy happens for ellipse. The ellipse path uses elliptic arcs which are precise. There's also no difference in performance (at least in Inkscape).
- you can't attach text to <ellipse> etc, only to <path>
(grouping as a workaround? I'll have to take a look at how this works and see if there is a plausible way it could be faked)
No way. Group is no better. The only thing you can attach text to is path, period. That's a limitation of SVG spec.
It didn't in my sample document. Rect can do rounded rectangles so I would be interested to know why you feel it is necessary,
See reasons above: markers and text on path. We even have a bug on that.
I would have thought it would be the ideal candidate for using the standard SVG markup.
Standard SVG markup is just a shortcut for human authors. We don't need shortcuts. They add no unique functionality, yet they add limitations.
I am used to another SVG application one of the few upsides of which is the clean SVG it produces.
Clean SVG is nice for teaching and for simple demos. We are an application for powerful real-world vector graphics. These two goals are sometimes conflicting.
bulia byak wrote:
On 6/25/05, Alan Horkan <horkana@...3...> wrote:
A single ellipse to represent a circle produces much smaller cleaner and more efficient markup than trying to represent it inaccurately as a series of points on a path.
No loss of accuracy happens for ellipse. The ellipse path uses elliptic arcs which are precise. There's also no difference in performance (at least in Inkscape).
Whoa! When did that happen? I thought Inkscape automatically converted any "A" path segments into a series of "C" segments.
Aaron Spike
On 6/25/05, aaron@...476... <aaron@...476...> wrote:
Whoa! When did that happen? I thought Inkscape automatically converted any "A" path segments into a series of "C" segments.
When you convert it to path, yes. But so long as it remains an ellipse object (i.e. <path sodipodi:type="arc">), its d= attribute uses A.
On Jun 25, 2005, at 3:55 PM, bulia byak wrote:
On 6/25/05, Alan Horkan <horkana@...3...> wrote:
Cleaner markup is simply easier to work with in other tools, and given my limited programming skills and the dearth of tools out there my primary tools is a text editor.
Clean markup is nice, but it's far from being a top priority with Inkscape. Other things are usually more important.
Well...
First I'd like to be on the record as of the opinion that the ideals Alan is indicating here are probably ones that are worth it. Especially given my long history with orphan platforms and hopping boxes, I'm well up on the benefits of standards and portability.
On the other hand, Bulia is good with pointing out the pragmatics of where we are, and the most important goal of getting the job done.
My professional instincts tell me that the more we can manage both of those, especially in this area, the better things will be. I still have to delve more into this specific issue, but I think that eventually simplifying things with the proper insight can make both very doable.
And though I don't think we can refactor things enough to hit both in the immediate term, I do think it's important in the long run. I think that perhaps a lot of the 'cleanliness' aspect will actually be part of making things work for different target profiles and platforms (SVG Basic, SVG Tiny, different target display types, etc). So... it's covered in the roadmap somewhat, and probably can get some decent compromises in place once it's going. Guess that means, 'be patient, we would like to get that'. :-) Hmm.... Of course, that's more me personally, but I'm fairly confident that eventually we can have things much better in that regard.
On 6/26/05, Jon A. Cruz <jon@...204...> wrote:
First I'd like to be on the record as of the opinion that the ideals Alan is indicating here are probably ones that are worth it. Especially given my long history with orphan platforms and hopping boxes, I'm well up on the benefits of standards and portability.
We're not breaking any standards. An <ellipse> is just syntactic sugar over <path>, and this specific kind of sugar has its price (namely the feature limitations).
think that perhaps a lot of the 'cleanliness' aspect will actually be part of making things work for different target profiles and platforms (SVG Basic, SVG Tiny, different target display types, etc).
And using <path> will not limit us in any way with regard to platforms and profiles. It's a basic element that everyone must support.
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