I too have often found that some of the Tango icons are too soft and fail to meet requirements i some applications such as Blender.

However, the current icon-set could without doubt use some improvements. Judging by the screen-shot, the icons for moving objects up and down are clear improvements color-wise, as is the flip and rotate icons. Same with the 4 zoom icons at the right and the lock/unlock-icons. The "Settings" icon is no improvement IMHO. Use the one from GIMP instead. Also, although the colors of the main tool-set icons are fresher I still do not like many of them. Especially the color gradient one which is very non-descriptive to me.

My main point, though is that the available icons should be changable from within the UI since until recently, I didn't even know that the icons could be changed at all.

With regs,

Jimmy.

i'm a user of Inkscape, mainly on Windows and very (very) rarely on Xubuntu and Ubuntu. I checked in SVN for the SVG Tango icons and found the file, which I studied carefully.

N.B.: I'll give here my "user" point of view, which reflects my taste and my rationale. Please, forgive me if this message isn't always "nice"... it's not meant to be aggressive, it's just that tastes in icons/applications is a passionate thing - so I'm allowed to tell my mind with passion on the matter :-)

Well, re. the proposed Tango icon set for Inkscape... I do NOT want to be "forced" to test the Tango icons - let alone to be forced to use them. I hate the Tango icons. :-)

The main reasons are:

- they are unreadable, "undecodable". I do not need to use a magnifying glass to "decode" the current (non Tango) icon set, the icons are "sharp" and "clear". Compared to them, the Tango icons are... "wtf?... which icon is that...?" I do not want to lose time wondering each time I need to click on an icon (and it happens quite a lot in Inkscape, because I don't use the shortcuts or F-keys). Honestly, I hardly *see* the Tango icons.

- they belong to the Linux world. I know they are supposed to be suitable to multi-platform applications, but in the real reality, this isn't the case, and they say "Linux", they say GTK or KDE. As I said before, I use Inkscape on Windows. Why would I need "Linux-like" icons which clash so badly with any Windows (or, I guess, Mac) theme and which I cannot decode anyway?

- I do not use any other "free" software which uses the Tango icon set, such as The Gimp or..., so I don't care about "being used" to seeing such or such icons.

- I believe each application can have its own style, its own icons. I hate the "applications on a platform must all look alike" concept, it's sterile, it's boring, it's dull.

So, my user opinion is: if the Linux users are masochists and want to have Tango style icons for Inkscape, fine, give them a GUI to switch to Tango icons. Me, as a user of Inkscape on Windows, I just want clear, sharp, and decodable icons - just like the current icons! I pray you, Inkscape developers, please, keep the current default set as the default!

Thanks! (and again... no personal attack here :-)

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Plácido Sousa <placidoaps@...155...> wrote:

If I may say so, as one of the contributor for tha actual icon set, they are all platform icons. I am sorry you hate Linux so much!

I don't know if the default icons will be changed to Tango. I've tried them myself because I am a big fan (I use GIMP a lot). I can agree that one or two of them still need some work. Anyway it doesn't matter if the iconset will change. You can allways use the one you preffer. Just change the iconset file.

I am currently working in the update of the current iconset, but the fact that there is a common icon for 16x16 and 22x22 sizes just makes me crazy. There's no way I can make them feel nice and sharp in both size. If there's a way just let me know! Right now I am drawing the "tools options" icons with size 22x22 because it looks nicer in Ubuntu.

I just wish we could draw to sizes icons and also have the possibility to overwrite the system icons like open/save/etc. (as an option) The iconset file would be bigger thow!

I've took some good ideas from the Tango set (import/export) Thanks!

Here's a screenshot. Let me know if I should continue.

Thanks.

http://sites.google.com/site/chezplacide/Home

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:23 PM, worms invasion <wormsxulla@...12...>wrote:

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Hello,

I'm a user of Inkscape, mainly on Windows and very (very) rarely on Xubuntu and Ubuntu. I checked in SVN for the SVG Tango icons and found the file, which I studied carefully.

N.B.: I'll give here my "user" point of view, which reflects my taste and my rationale. Please, forgive me if this message isn't always "nice"... it's not meant to be aggressive, it's just that tastes in icons/applications is a passionate thing - so I'm allowed to tell my mind with passion on the matter :-)

Well, re. the proposed Tango icon set for Inkscape... I do NOT want to be "forced" to test the Tango icons - let alone to be forced to use them. I hate the Tango icons. :-)

The main reasons are:

• they are unreadable, "undecodable".

I do not need to use a magnifying glass to "decode" the current (non Tango) icon set, the icons are "sharp" and "clear". Compared to them, the Tango icons are... "wtf?... which icon is that...?" I do not want to lose time wondering each time I need to click on an icon (and it happens quite a lot in Inkscape, because I don't use the shortcuts or F-keys). Honestly, I hardly *see* the Tango icons.

• they belong to the Linux world.

I know they are supposed to be suitable to multi-platform applications, but in the real reality, this isn't the case, and they say "Linux", they say GTK or KDE. As I said before, I use Inkscape on Windows. Why would I need "Linux-like" icons which clash so badly with any Windows (or, I guess, Mac) theme and which I cannot decode anyway?

• I do not use any other "free" software which uses the Tango icon set,

such as The Gimp or..., so I don't care about "being used" to seeing such or such icons.

• I believe each application can have its own style, its own icons. I hate

the "applications on a platform must all look alike" concept, it's sterile, it's boring, it's dull.

So, my user opinion is: if the Linux users are masochists and want to have Tango style icons for Inkscape, fine, give them a GUI to switch to Tango icons. Me, as a user of Inkscape on Windows, I just want clear, sharp, and decodable icons - just like the current icons! I pray you, Inkscape developers, please, keep the current default set as the default!

Thanks! (and again... no personal attack here :-)

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