Hello all,
I finally got some these illustrator screenshots off my parents laptop I took in December. I posted to the wiki and they are available here:
http://cabbage.ucsd.edu/~phillipsjd/media/adobeIllustrator10-win32/
I hope these help in comparing our user interface and in planning out new additions.
Jon
Quoth Jon Phillips on or about 2004-06-04:
I finally got some these illustrator screenshots off my parents laptop I took in December. I posted to the wiki and they are available here:
http://cabbage.ucsd.edu/~phillipsjd/media/adobeIllustrator10-win32/
If it's not too much trouble, could you convert them to jpg or png -- something with compression?
If you have ImageMagick, this should work:
for i in *.bmp; do convert $i jpg:`echo $i | sed 's/bmp/jpg/'`; done
FWIW, I think inkscape's UI is already better than AI's.
-trent
done.
Jon
On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 05:29, Trent Buck wrote:
Quoth Jon Phillips on or about 2004-06-04:
I finally got some these illustrator screenshots off my parents laptop I took in December. I posted to the wiki and they are available here:
http://cabbage.ucsd.edu/~phillipsjd/media/adobeIllustrator10-win32/
If it's not too much trouble, could you convert them to jpg or png -- something with compression?
If you have ImageMagick, this should work:
for i in *.bmp; do convert $i jpg:`echo $i | sed 's/bmp/jpg/'`; done
FWIW, I think inkscape's UI is already better than AI's.
-trent
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Trent Buck wrote:
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FWIW, I think inkscape's UI is already better than AI's.
I'm going to be devils advocate here, "FWIW" if you dont back it up with examples it is not worth anything. It is important to manage expectations, it is all to easy to get carried away with enthusiasm but it can backfire badly if (when) users are dissappointed by an interface or are not as impressed by "massive" improvements as we are (particularly improvements to the underlying technology that users wont necessarily appreciate). I think it is important that we make Inkscape look good by keeping the standard of discussion to a high level.
But I can see some of Inkscapes stengths. The wealth of keybindings is a big plus, although I'm not sure about the logic of some of them and there is a risk that having a keybing for almost everything will be confusing and potentially cause problems if users misclick but that is a whole other story but this is a big deal and Bulia has done great work.
That the User Inteface is in GTK and fits in with my Gnome Desktop is a also bonus. I'll try and list some more of Inkscapes strengths later.
Even if we talk only about the User Inteface of Adobe Illustator it still has many tools (to be topical lets say Layers for example) that Inkscape doesnt have (yet ;). You can achieve similar end results without them but Adobe has provide a tool, a better inteface to manage large numbers of objects.
You said Inkscape is better so I make it a challenge to you to list more ways, and maybe we can start a comparision chart in the Wiki which would be useful for promoting Inkscape.
My point is that I would urge caution when claiming Inkscape is better than anything because there is nothing stopping people from using both. Inkscape can complement and become part of a graphic designers toolset, think of the users, comparisons dont really benifit them.
Hopefully I've adequately expressed what I'm trying to say, so ping me back and lets see if we can count the ways we love Inkscape.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/
Quoth Alan Horkan on or about 2004-06-08:
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Trent Buck wrote:
FWIW, I think inkscape's UI is already better than AI's.
You said Inkscape is better so I make it a challenge to you to list more ways, and maybe we can start a comparision chart in the Wiki which would be useful for promoting Inkscape.
OK, I'll confess, I haven't used AI for than about half-an-hour, because I couldn't get the hang of the interface. Let me itemize my reasons for using Inkscape.
Bear in mind that these are my *opinions*, not necessarily *right* in a technical sense. I'll put a '+' in front of things that are actually UI.
Inkscape beats AI
+ As a newbie, I found the Inkscape (well, sodipodi) interface to be pretty self-explanatory. Using AI I get the feeling I should take a 3-day course just to learn how to use it. (Maybe this is just because of all the extra features, I don't know.)
It's free. When something happens I can check the source. It is also far easier to add or request features.
It works on linux. Enough said.
The GTK toolkit is relatively clean, customizable and robust.
Inkscape beats Sodipodi
The larger community results in faster growth in all areas.
Boolean operations. Miscellaneous tweaks make Inkscape more comfortable.
Inkscape beats both of them
+ Buttons are around the edge. It has been shown by HCI folks that this is a far better design than the toolkit approach. I forget the name of the rule, but it states that you can click screen corners and edges far faster than, say, 10px in from the edge.
+ Likewise, this means everthing is in one window, which works much better with my windowmanager (http://ratpoison.sf.net).
+ Keybindings for everything. I don't normally even have a rodent plugged into my system, so being able to stay keyboard-centered is a major advantage.
I should also point out that I'm not really an artistic person, my strengths are more oriented in mathematics, english and science. I am a CS student by profession. I mostly use Inkscape when I need an image and there isn't a specialized tool to draw it.
It could well be that I don't see Inkscape's deficiencies because my drawings aren't complicated enough to need them.
-trent
Quoth Trent Buck on or about 2004-06-08:
- Buttons are around the edge. It has been shown by HCI folks that this is a far better design than the toolkit approach. I forget the name of the rule, but it states that you can click screen corners and edges far faster than, say, 10px in from the edge.
Found it: Fitts' Law. http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Fitts%27%20law
-t
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