A newbie here trying to understand fonts in Inkscape on Mac OS X (10.4.6):
Basic fonts like Arial, Georgia, and Verdana are not showing up with their entire families in the Text and Font box.
Arial, for example, doesn't show up, but 'Arial Black', 'Arial Hebrew', 'Arial Narrow', and 'Arial Rounded MT Bold' does.
In another example, Georgia does show up, but its other family members, such as italic, bold, and bold italic, are not present.
Anyone have tips on solving this issue?
Thanks.
marc0047 wrote:
Basic fonts like Arial, Georgia, and Verdana are not showing up with
their
entire families in the Text and Font box.
Arial, for example, doesn't show up, but 'Arial Black', 'Arial Hebrew', 'Arial Narrow', and 'Arial Rounded MT Bold' does.
In another example, Georgia does show up, but its other family members, such as italic, bold, and bold italic, are not present.
Similar problems are present in Windows builds (Truetype fonts don't show in the list, Symbol for instance), and have been for a long time. AFAIK, this is a problem with the underlying font handling libraries (Pango), so the current option is to wait until font detection gets fixed over there.
Then again, I don't know too much detail myself, maybe your problem is something more specific than what I'm describing...
Regards, Arnout
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 10:00:13AM +0100, Arnout Standaert wrote:
marc0047 wrote:
Basic fonts like Arial, Georgia, and Verdana are not showing up with
their
entire families in the Text and Font box.
Arial, for example, doesn't show up, but 'Arial Black', 'Arial Hebrew', 'Arial Narrow', and 'Arial Rounded MT Bold' does.
In another example, Georgia does show up, but its other family members, such as italic, bold, and bold italic, are not present.
Similar problems are present in Windows builds (Truetype fonts don't show in the list, Symbol for instance), and have been for a long time. AFAIK, this is a problem with the underlying font handling libraries (Pango), so the current option is to wait until font detection gets fixed over there.
We have a TON of problems like this in the codebase. By and large they're all due to the font selector widget. I think they're probably all fairly straightforward to fix, but no one is looking into them currently. There's a bunch of bugs that could be closed.
Would anyone like to devote a bit of time into investigating them? I don't think it'd take a huge amount of time to investigate, but a few weekends to track it down. I can give some pointers to get you going in the right direction if you're interested.
Bryce
On 2007-February-02 , at 19:40 , marc0047 wrote:
A newbie here trying to understand fonts in Inkscape on Mac OS X (10.4.6):
Basic fonts like Arial, Georgia, and Verdana are not showing up with their entire families in the Text and Font box.
Arial, for example, doesn't show up, but 'Arial Black', 'Arial Hebrew', 'Arial Narrow', and 'Arial Rounded MT Bold' does.
In another example, Georgia does show up, but its other family members, such as italic, bold, and bold italic, are not present.
Anyone have tips on solving this issue?
As mentioned by somebody else, the font management in Inkscape is done by Pango and is not directly controlled by Inkscape. On OS X, part of the problem is that mac fonts are in .dfont or .suit format which is not handled correctly by Pango and the effect is what you see: only part of the family is showing up (eg. you only Arial Regular and not Arial Bold, Arial Italics etc.). The only solution I found to solve part of the problem is converting all those fonts to .ttf format which is well supported by Pango. In fact .dfont and .suit are just some kind of "bags" which contains all variants of a font, in ttf format (eg. Arial.dfont contains ArialRegular.ttf, ArialBold.ttf, ArialItalics.ttf etc.) plus some kerning information I think. To break .dfont and .suit into their .ttf constituents you need to use fondu from the command line. Fondu can be downloaded there: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php? group_id=39411&package_id=31577&release_id=362553 or obtained via fink and darwinports. It's simple to use as long as a terminal does not frighten you. The only thing you must be careful about is that you will end up with two versions of each font (the one in the dfont bundle and the .ttf one) and you should disable or remove one of those. disabling fonts is done via FontManager.app.
Hope that helps.
JiHO --- http://jo.irisson.free.fr/
Thanks again Jiho! I will give that a try!
jiho wrote:
On 2007-February-02 , at 19:40 , marc0047 wrote:
A newbie here trying to understand fonts in Inkscape on Mac OS X (10.4.6):
Basic fonts like Arial, Georgia, and Verdana are not showing up with their entire families in the Text and Font box.
Arial, for example, doesn't show up, but 'Arial Black', 'Arial Hebrew', 'Arial Narrow', and 'Arial Rounded MT Bold' does.
In another example, Georgia does show up, but its other family members, such as italic, bold, and bold italic, are not present.
Anyone have tips on solving this issue?
As mentioned by somebody else, the font management in Inkscape is done by Pango and is not directly controlled by Inkscape. On OS X, part of the problem is that mac fonts are in .dfont or .suit format which is not handled correctly by Pango and the effect is what you see: only part of the family is showing up (eg. you only Arial Regular and not Arial Bold, Arial Italics etc.). The only solution I found to solve part of the problem is converting all those fonts to .ttf format which is well supported by Pango. In fact .dfont and .suit are just some kind of "bags" which contains all variants of a font, in ttf format (eg. Arial.dfont contains ArialRegular.ttf, ArialBold.ttf, ArialItalics.ttf etc.) plus some kerning information I think. To break .dfont and .suit into their .ttf constituents you need to use fondu from the command line. Fondu can be downloaded there: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php? group_id=39411&package_id=31577&release_id=362553 or obtained via fink and darwinports. It's simple to use as long as a terminal does not frighten you. The only thing you must be careful about is that you will end up with two versions of each font (the one in the dfont bundle and the .ttf one) and you should disable or remove one of those. disabling fonts is done via FontManager.app.
Hope that helps.
JiHO
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Finally got around to breaking the suitcase packages into TTFs, and it worked!
I used fontforge (http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/) instead of fondu: for this kind of thing, a GUI is much easier for me to deal with. So I opened them up individually and used the 'Generate fonts' feature to export to TTFs.
Thanks again!
jiho wrote:
On 2007-February-02 , at 19:40 , marc0047 wrote:
A newbie here trying to understand fonts in Inkscape on Mac OS X (10.4.6):
Basic fonts like Arial, Georgia, and Verdana are not showing up with their entire families in the Text and Font box.
Arial, for example, doesn't show up, but 'Arial Black', 'Arial Hebrew', 'Arial Narrow', and 'Arial Rounded MT Bold' does.
In another example, Georgia does show up, but its other family members, such as italic, bold, and bold italic, are not present.
Anyone have tips on solving this issue?
As mentioned by somebody else, the font management in Inkscape is done by Pango and is not directly controlled by Inkscape. On OS X, part of the problem is that mac fonts are in .dfont or .suit format which is not handled correctly by Pango and the effect is what you see: only part of the family is showing up (eg. you only Arial Regular and not Arial Bold, Arial Italics etc.). The only solution I found to solve part of the problem is converting all those fonts to .ttf format which is well supported by Pango. In fact .dfont and .suit are just some kind of "bags" which contains all variants of a font, in ttf format (eg. Arial.dfont contains ArialRegular.ttf, ArialBold.ttf, ArialItalics.ttf etc.) plus some kerning information I think. To break .dfont and .suit into their .ttf constituents you need to use fondu from the command line. Fondu can be downloaded there: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php? group_id=39411&package_id=31577&release_id=362553 or obtained via fink and darwinports. It's simple to use as long as a terminal does not frighten you. The only thing you must be careful about is that you will end up with two versions of each font (the one in the dfont bundle and the .ttf one) and you should disable or remove one of those. disabling fonts is done via FontManager.app.
Hope that helps.
JiHO
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Arrgh, I just encountered a new problem: by creating the new TTFs and turning them on with FontBook, now my other apps, like Firefox, is rendering my fonts in a weird way...!
Is there a fix for this? Or, do I sit tight for the next version? :'(
On 2007-February-06 , at 03:51 , marc0047 wrote:
Arrgh, I just encountered a new problem: by creating the new TTFs and turning them on with FontBook, now my other apps, like Firefox, is rendering my fonts in a weird way...!
what do you see exactly? I have a problem with Firefox too where bold text is overlapping with adjacent text or the underline of an underlined text does not go all the way under the text. Is this the same problem.
Is there a fix for this? Or, do I sit tight for the next version? :'(
If your problem is similar to mine, it is a known issue with Firefox on OS X and seems to appear when some fonts are duplicated (but the issue seems quite complicated and can arise in several contexts). It has been reported already several times on the bugzilla of Firefox but has not received much attention yet. I thinks it's because: - developers think it is a marginal problem - developers cannot reproduce it reliably (as I mentioned above the problem seems complicated) You can add you experience to this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=288047 to get things moving a bit. But I guess meanwhile you will have to choose between Firefox and Inkscape. NB: a workaround I've used in Firefox is to use Lucida Grande which does not create any problem and to force it's use (do not check the "Allow site to choose their own fonts" check button). But know I switched to safari, mainly because of this problem.
If you want to discuss this further I think we should do it personally or via Mozilla bugsystem rather than here.
JiHO --- http://jo.irisson.free.fr/
Hi Jiho,
Thanks for the update, it's helpful to know about the Firefox bug...!
In the meantime, I have a fix: when breaking the suitcase, I now have renamed the fonts so that they have different names. So Arial, for example, will now be 'Arial-ttf', 'Arial-bold-ttf', 'Arial-italic-ttf', and 'Arial-bolditalic-ttf'. This way there is absolutely no substitution and interference when font calling.
So far it works...!
jiho wrote:
On 2007-February-06 , at 03:51 , marc0047 wrote:
Arrgh, I just encountered a new problem: by creating the new TTFs and turning them on with FontBook, now my other apps, like Firefox, is rendering my fonts in a weird way...!
what do you see exactly? I have a problem with Firefox too where bold text is overlapping with adjacent text or the underline of an underlined text does not go all the way under the text. Is this the same problem.
Is there a fix for this? Or, do I sit tight for the next version? :'(
If your problem is similar to mine, it is a known issue with Firefox on OS X and seems to appear when some fonts are duplicated (but the issue seems quite complicated and can arise in several contexts). It has been reported already several times on the bugzilla of Firefox but has not received much attention yet. I thinks it's because:
- developers think it is a marginal problem
- developers cannot reproduce it reliably (as I mentioned above the
problem seems complicated) You can add you experience to this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=288047 to get things moving a bit. But I guess meanwhile you will have to choose between Firefox and Inkscape. NB: a workaround I've used in Firefox is to use Lucida Grande which does not create any problem and to force it's use (do not check the "Allow site to choose their own fonts" check button). But know I switched to safari, mainly because of this problem.
If you want to discuss this further I think we should do it personally or via Mozilla bugsystem rather than here.
JiHO
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