Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want to handle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Just care about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:36:48 -0700 "brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want to handle this.When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Just care aboutthe forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
I would suggest using ODT. It may not seem initially any better or more convenient, and although not immune to bugs, at least you can be sure it will never contain any tracking code or third party advertising - both of which which are often vulnerable to injecting exploits on your machine.
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:14:45 +0000 Will Godfrey <willgodfrey@...3032...> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:36:48 -0700 "brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want tohandle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Justcare about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
I would suggest using ODT. It may not seem initially any better or more convenient, and although not immune to bugs, at least you can be sure it will never contain any tracking code or third party advertising - both of which which are often vulnerable to injecting exploits on your machine.
ODT is awful. LibreOffice is pretty bad. Why not plain text, or if that doesn't work for us, HTML?
SteveT
I vote markdown as the "format" or non-format if you like. :) Then export to various other formats if needed.
-C
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:39 AM Steve Litt <slitt@...2357...> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:14:45 +0000 Will Godfrey <willgodfrey@...3032...> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:36:48 -0700 "brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want tohandle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Justcare about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
I would suggest using ODT. It may not seem initially any better or more convenient, and although not immune to bugs, at least you can be sure it will never contain any tracking code or third party advertising - both of which which are often vulnerable to injecting exploits on your machine.
ODT is awful. LibreOffice is pretty bad. Why not plain text, or if that doesn't work for us, HTML?
SteveT
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Here's my crack at a forum code of conduct: "No spam, stay on the forum topic, be excellent to each other."
Additionally, I recommend we have areas of the forum with additional sets of rules, based on the content.
For example: political art, jobs (posting), self-promotion (requests for commissions) in order to keep other areas free from either of those things, but give users the freedom to post what they like elsewhere.
Maybe even a section for (legal) adult/nudity/erotica made with Inkscape, since what counts as offensive varies widely, and there needs to be some specific area to post so sensitive people (or people at work) don't get an eye-full of something they don't like to see.
Thoughts? -C
(by legal, I mean no depictions of ANYTHING illegal in the country where Inkscape's servers are. We can spell that out if we need to, or leave it up to the users to look into it.)
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 3:04 PM C R <cajhne@...155...> wrote:
I vote markdown as the "format" or non-format if you like. :) Then export to various other formats if needed.
-C
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:39 AM Steve Litt <slitt@...2357...> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:14:45 +0000 Will Godfrey <willgodfrey@...3032...> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:36:48 -0700 "brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want tohandle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Justcare about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
I would suggest using ODT. It may not seem initially any better or more convenient, and although not immune to bugs, at least you can be sure it will never contain any tracking code or third party advertising - both of which which are often vulnerable to injecting exploits on your machine.
ODT is awful. LibreOffice is pretty bad. Why not plain text, or if that doesn't work for us, HTML?
SteveT
Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 15:20 +0000, C R wrote:
Here's my crack at a forum code of conduct: "No spam, stay on the forum topic, be excellent to each other."
Spam - Define excellent - Define
Now you know why these things end up thousands of words 😛
Additionally, I recommend we have areas of the forum with additional sets of rules, based on the content.
For example: political art, jobs (posting), self-promotion (requests for commissions) in order to keep other areas free from either of those things, but give users the freedom to post what they like elsewhere.
Jobs is interesting just as a concept. Jobs to do, people who need jobs. that sort of thing.
Maybe even a section for (legal) adult/nudity/erotica made with Inkscape, since what counts as offensive varies widely, and there needs to be some specific area to post so sensitive people (or people at work) don't get an eye-full of something they don't like to see.
One of the reasons we keep the gallery on inkscape.org PC is because we have no adult controls. That is, we have no ability to hide pictures from people who are not adults or who have not agreed to see them. Like deviantArt's or Istagrams adult content warning filters.
Last time we talked about it, I believe only I was half in support of adult images on the basis of being open. But no one else was, and that's fine too. Technically we couldn't support it.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
Spam - Define
Is there anyone on the internet that doesn't know what spam is? :) Also, the longer the COC, the less likely people are to read it.
excellent - Define
Treat everyone as if they were a dear friend. If someone asks you to stop doing something to them, stop.
Now you know why these things end up thousands of words 😛
Yes, and why they generally are not read by anyone, and why some projects get laughed at for disallowing "virtual hugs" (being too specific). More specifics means more things for people to pick apart and fight about. Codes of Conduct are not seen in the best of light at the moment, and it's partially due to them being generally overly restrictive and sometimes divisive. And many times way too specific.
Additionally, I recommend we have areas of the forum with additional sets of rules, based on the content.
For example: political art, jobs (posting), self-promotion (requests for commissions) in order to keep other areas free from either of those things, but give users the freedom to post what they like elsewhere.
Jobs is interesting just as a concept. Jobs to do, people who need jobs. that sort of thing.
Invariably, we will get political art. I highly recommend treating it like adult material and keeping it to one particular section. If there's no where to put it, people will put it everywhere, and cause fights. Conversely if you go wandering into the political art section (past the warning), you know what to expect. People can argue to their hearts content in this area, and maybe just kick back and forth at eachother with art. It's sure to be a battle Royal, which is why it should have it's own section.
Maybe even a section for (legal) adult/nudity/erotica made with
Inkscape, since what counts as offensive varies widely, and there needs to be some specific area to post so sensitive people (or people at work) don't get an eye-full of something they don't like to see.
One of the reasons we keep the gallery on inkscape.org PC is because we have no adult controls. That is, we have no ability to hide pictures from people who are not adults or who have not agreed to see them. Like deviantArt's or Istagrams adult content warning filters.
Yea, I withdraw my suggestion then. Probably worth putting that in the COC. With an explanation that we'd like to, but we're just not set up for it. So what do we say? Swimsuits lingerie okay, no depictions of sexual organs?
-C
Last time we talked about it, I believe only I was half in support of adult images on the basis of being open. But no one else was, and that's fine too. Technically we couldn't support it.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
I've tried out a few different themes as outlined here:
https://medium.com/@ole.ersoy/installing-inkscape-icon-themes-on-ubuntu-af3e...
None of them change the little red X in the color palette that switches off the fill. Is it possible to customize this?
TIA,
Ole
As far as I know, there is no such setting. I suspect it is hardcoded somewhere, but couldn't find with a quick search.
Maren
Am 17.02.19 um 20:35 schrieb Ole Ersoy:
I've tried out a few different themes as outlined here:
https://medium.com/@ole.ersoy/installing-inkscape-icon-themes-on-ubuntu-af3e...
None of them change the little red X in the color palette that switches off the fill. Is it possible to customize this?
TIA,
Ole
Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
Hi C R (and Will and Steve), Thanks for your comments. I made a jobs board in Inkscape Community, because it's a 3rd party forum, and well, because "I can". But setting up something for nudity or politics on the official forum would take a LOT of discussion, not to mention words.
I think the forum, like the rest of the website, needs to be family-friendly, by the US definition of family friendly, because it seems to be the most restrictive (i.e. safe, legally).
Until the website has some way to hide and label images as "nsfw" or something like that, I don't think we could have things like political art or nudity (which are currently excluded by the CoC). As a moderator, I absolutely cringe at the thought of "political art" in today's world. I mean, omg, doesn't facebook do that job well enough for the whole world already?
Plus, I have not been thinking of this new forum as having sections for displaying artwork. Because I mean, we have the gallery for displaying images. People could put links to their galley space. But posting images in the forum, which are also still in the gallery....I don't know, it just seems excessive.
But I don't know. So far, it's only you 3 addressed with this message who have responded. And I think 2 of you just had to speak up about the file formats. And btw, that's just a thought for composing the darn thing. I don't expect it to take more than a couple of hours, so it's really not a big deal how we compose it.
Anyway, this is the general plan. Or at least, no one has spoken against it. After we write the rules about how staff (moderators) are selected, then the staff will be selected. And then the staff would decide about boards and categories. I would think if there are separate rules for separate boards, they will be posted in a sticky message in that board, and not written into the forum rules.
I think a jobs board would be great! And if the staff wants boards for displaying artwork, I wouldn't oppose it.
Do you all really want to help? Or did you just want to make your comments?
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:20 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Here's my crack at a forum code of conduct: "No spam, stay on the forum topic, be excellent to each other."
Additionally, I recommend we have areas of the forum with additional sets of rules, based on the content.
For example: political art, jobs (posting), self-promotion (requests for commissions) in order to keep other areas free from either of those things, but give users the freedom to post what they like elsewhere.
Maybe even a section for (legal) adult/nudity/erotica made with Inkscape, since what counts as offensive varies widely, and there needs to be some specific area to post so sensitive people (or people at work) don't get an eye-full of something they don't like to see.
Thoughts? -C
(by legal, I mean no depictions of ANYTHING illegal in the country where Inkscape's servers are. We can spell that out if we need to, or leave it up to the users to look into it.)
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 3:04 PM C R <cajhne@...155...> wrote:
I vote markdown as the "format" or non-format if you like. :) Then export to various other formats if needed.
-C
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:39 AM Steve Litt <slitt@...2357...> wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:14:45 +0000 Will Godfrey <willgodfrey@...3032...> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:36:48 -0700 "brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want tohandle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Justcare about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
I would suggest using ODT. It may not seem initially any better or more convenient, and although not immune to bugs, at least you can be sure it will never contain any tracking code or third party advertising - both of which which are often vulnerable to injecting exploits on your machine.
ODT is awful. LibreOffice is pretty bad. Why not plain text, or if that doesn't work for us, HTML?
SteveT
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Fair enough. :) We need to spell out in the COC that political art and posts are not allowed if you don't want that stuff anywhere on the site. I was just thinking a place to dump the rubbish would be easier, but maybe not. Lol. I certainly would not go to that section, but I understand someone would still have to moderate it to some degree. What about religious stuff? To me that's political too. Where to draw the line though?
Just a few thoughts. -C
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 03:58 brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote:
Hi C R (and Will and Steve), Thanks for your comments. I made a jobs board in Inkscape Community, because it's a 3rd party forum, and well, because "I can". But setting up something for nudity or politics on the official forum would take a LOT of discussion, not to mention words.
I think the forum, like the rest of the website, needs to befamily-friendly, by the US definition of family friendly, because it seems to be the most restrictive (i.e. safe, legally).
Until the website has some way to hide and label images as "nsfw"or something like that, I don't think we could have things like political art or nudity (which are currently excluded by the CoC). As a moderator, I absolutely cringe at the thought of "political art" in today's world. I mean, omg, doesn't facebook do that job well enough for the whole world already?
Plus, I have not been thinking of this new forum as havingsections for displaying artwork. Because I mean, we have the gallery for displaying images. People could put links to their galley space. But posting images in the forum, which are also still in the gallery....I don't know, it just seems excessive.
But I don't know. So far, it's only you 3 addressed with thismessage who have responded. And I think 2 of you just had to speak up about the file formats. And btw, that's just a thought for composing the darn thing. I don't expect it to take more than a couple of hours, so it's really not a big deal how we compose it.
Anyway, this is the general plan. Or at least, no one has spokenagainst it. After we write the rules about how staff (moderators) are selected, then the staff will be selected. And then the staff would decide about boards and categories. I would think if there are separate rules for separate boards, they will be posted in a sticky message in that board, and not written into the forum rules.
I think a jobs board would be great! And if the staff wantsboards for displaying artwork, I wouldn't oppose it.
Do you all really want to help? Or did you just want to make yourcomments?
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:20 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Here's my crack at a forum code of conduct: "No spam, stay on the forum topic, be excellent to each other."
Additionally, I recommend we have areas of the forum with additional sets of rules, based on the content.
For example: political art, jobs (posting), self-promotion (requests for commissions) in order to keep other areas free from either of those things, but give users the freedom to post what they like elsewhere.
Maybe even a section for (legal) adult/nudity/erotica made with Inkscape, since what counts as offensive varies widely, and there needs to be some specific area to post so sensitive people (or people at work) don't get an eye-full of something they don't like to see.
Thoughts? -C
(by legal, I mean no depictions of ANYTHING illegal in the country where Inkscape's servers are. We can spell that out if we need to, or leave it up to the users to look into it.)
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 3:04 PM C R <cajhne@...155...> wrote:
I vote markdown as the "format" or non-format if you like. :) Then export to various other formats if needed.
-C
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:39 AM Steve Litt <slitt@...2357...> wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:14:45 +0000 Will Godfrey <willgodfrey@...3032...> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:36:48 -0700 "brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want tohandle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Justcare about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
I would suggest using ODT. It may not seem initially any better or more convenient, and although not immune to bugs, at least you can be sure it will never contain any tracking code or third party advertising - both of which which are often vulnerable to injecting exploits on your machine.
ODT is awful. LibreOffice is pretty bad. Why not plain text, or if that doesn't work for us, HTML?
SteveT
Inkscape-user mailing list Inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
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Those things already are disallowed in the CoC. See the Guidelines for User-Submitted Contents section. https://inkscape.org/community/coc/
brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:08 AM To: Brynn Cc: Inkscape User Community ; willgodfrey@...3032... ; slitt@...2357... Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Fair enough. :) We need to spell out in the COC that political art and posts are not allowed if you don't want that stuff anywhere on the site. I was just thinking a place to dump the rubbish would be easier, but maybe not. Lol. I certainly would not go to that section, but I understand someone would still have to moderate it to some degree. What about religious stuff? To me that's political too. Where to draw the line though?
Just a few thoughts. -C
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 03:58 brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote: Hi C R (and Will and Steve), Thanks for your comments. I made a jobs board in Inkscape Community, because it's a 3rd party forum, and well, because "I can". But setting up something for nudity or politics on the official forum would take a LOT of discussion, not to mention words.
I think the forum, like the rest of the website, needs to be family-friendly, by the US definition of family friendly, because it seems to be the most restrictive (i.e. safe, legally).
Until the website has some way to hide and label images as "nsfw" or something like that, I don't think we could have things like political art or nudity (which are currently excluded by the CoC). As a moderator, I absolutely cringe at the thought of "political art" in today's world. I mean, omg, doesn't facebook do that job well enough for the whole world already?
Plus, I have not been thinking of this new forum as having sections for displaying artwork. Because I mean, we have the gallery for displaying images. People could put links to their galley space. But posting images in the forum, which are also still in the gallery....I don't know, it just seems excessive.
But I don't know. So far, it's only you 3 addressed with this message who have responded. And I think 2 of you just had to speak up about the file formats. And btw, that's just a thought for composing the darn thing. I don't expect it to take more than a couple of hours, so it's really not a big deal how we compose it.
Anyway, this is the general plan. Or at least, no one has spoken against it. After we write the rules about how staff (moderators) are selected, then the staff will be selected. And then the staff would decide about boards and categories. I would think if there are separate rules for separate boards, they will be posted in a sticky message in that board, and not written into the forum rules.
I think a jobs board would be great! And if the staff wants boards for displaying artwork, I wouldn't oppose it.
Do you all really want to help? Or did you just want to make your comments?
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:20 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Here's my crack at a forum code of conduct: "No spam, stay on the forum topic, be excellent to each other."
Additionally, I recommend we have areas of the forum with additional sets of rules, based on the content.
For example: political art, jobs (posting), self-promotion (requests for commissions) in order to keep other areas free from either of those things, but give users the freedom to post what they like elsewhere.
Maybe even a section for (legal) adult/nudity/erotica made with Inkscape, since what counts as offensive varies widely, and there needs to be some specific area to post so sensitive people (or people at work) don't get an eye-full of something they don't like to see.
Thoughts? -C
(by legal, I mean no depictions of ANYTHING illegal in the country where Inkscape's servers are. We can spell that out if we need to, or leave it up to the users to look into it.)
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 3:04 PM C R <cajhne@...155...> wrote:
I vote markdown as the "format" or non-format if you like. :) Then export to various other formats if needed.
-C
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:39 AM Steve Litt <slitt@...2357...> wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:14:45 +0000 Will Godfrey <willgodfrey@...3032...> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:36:48 -0700 "brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want tohandle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Justcare about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
I would suggest using ODT. It may not seem initially any better or more convenient, and although not immune to bugs, at least you can be sure it will never contain any tracking code or third party advertising - both of which which are often vulnerable to injecting exploits on your machine.
ODT is awful. LibreOffice is pretty bad. Why not plain text, or if that doesn't work for us, HTML?
SteveT
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Why not just use that for the forums too then? Do we need another coc for the forum?
-C
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019, 14:45 brynn, <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Those things already are disallowed in the CoC. See the Guidelines for User-Submitted Contents section. https://inkscape.org/community/coc/
brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:08 AM To: Brynn Cc: Inkscape User Community ; willgodfrey@...3032... ; slitt@...2357... Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Fair enough. :) We need to spell out in the COC that political art and posts are not allowed if you don't want that stuff anywhere on the site. I was just thinking a place to dump the rubbish would be easier, but maybe not. Lol. I certainly would not go to that section, but I understand someone would still have to moderate it to some degree. What about religious stuff? To me that's political too. Where to draw the line though?
Just a few thoughts. -C
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 03:58 brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote: Hi C R (and Will and Steve), Thanks for your comments. I made a jobs board in Inkscape Community, because it's a 3rd party forum, and well, because "I can". But setting up something for nudity or politics on the official forum would take a LOT of discussion, not to mention words.
I think the forum, like the rest of the website, needs to befamily-friendly, by the US definition of family friendly, because it seems to be the most restrictive (i.e. safe, legally).
Until the website has some way to hide and label images as "nsfw"or something like that, I don't think we could have things like political art or nudity (which are currently excluded by the CoC). As a moderator, I absolutely cringe at the thought of "political art" in today's world. I mean, omg, doesn't facebook do that job well enough for the whole world already?
Plus, I have not been thinking of this new forum as havingsections for displaying artwork. Because I mean, we have the gallery for displaying images. People could put links to their galley space. But posting images in the forum, which are also still in the gallery....I don't know, it just seems excessive.
But I don't know. So far, it's only you 3 addressed with thismessage who have responded. And I think 2 of you just had to speak up about the file formats. And btw, that's just a thought for composing the darn thing. I don't expect it to take more than a couple of hours, so it's really not a big deal how we compose it.
Anyway, this is the general plan. Or at least, no one has spokenagainst it. After we write the rules about how staff (moderators) are selected, then the staff will be selected. And then the staff would decide about boards and categories. I would think if there are separate rules for separate boards, they will be posted in a sticky message in that board, and not written into the forum rules.
I think a jobs board would be great! And if the staff wantsboards for displaying artwork, I wouldn't oppose it.
Do you all really want to help? Or did you just want to make yourcomments?
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:20 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Here's my crack at a forum code of conduct: "No spam, stay on the forum topic, be excellent to each other."
Additionally, I recommend we have areas of the forum with additional sets of rules, based on the content.
For example: political art, jobs (posting), self-promotion (requests for commissions) in order to keep other areas free from either of those things, but give users the freedom to post what they like elsewhere.
Maybe even a section for (legal) adult/nudity/erotica made with Inkscape, since what counts as offensive varies widely, and there needs to be some specific area to post so sensitive people (or people at work) don't get an eye-full of something they don't like to see.
Thoughts? -C
(by legal, I mean no depictions of ANYTHING illegal in the country where Inkscape's servers are. We can spell that out if we need to, or leave it up to the users to look into it.)
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 3:04 PM C R <cajhne@...155...> wrote:
I vote markdown as the "format" or non-format if you like. :) Then export to various other formats if needed.
-C
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:39 AM Steve Litt <slitt@...2357...> wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:14:45 +0000 Will Godfrey <willgodfrey@...3032...> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:36:48 -0700 "brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want tohandle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Justcare about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
I would suggest using ODT. It may not seem initially any better or more convenient, and although not immune to bugs, at least you can be sure it will never contain any tracking code or third party advertising - both of which which are often vulnerable to injecting exploits on your machine.
ODT is awful. LibreOffice is pretty bad. Why not plain text, or if that doesn't work for us, HTML?
SteveT
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Yes, that's part of my proposal, which I've just posted.
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/content/blob/master/articles/Forum%20Rul...
Mihaela posted a proposal first, and then mine's below hers. It looks much better in a word processor and I can never get that gitlab editor to make a good format. But anyway, hopefully you can sort it out.
Please, comments are very, very welcome!
Thanks, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 11:44 AM To: Brynn Cc: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Why not just use that for the forums too then? Do we need another coc for the forum?
-C
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019, 14:45 brynn, <brynn@...3089...> wrote: Those things already are disallowed in the CoC. See the Guidelines for User-Submitted Contents section. https://inkscape.org/community/coc/
brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:08 AM To: Brynn Cc: Inkscape User Community ; willgodfrey@...3032... ; slitt@...2357... Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Fair enough. :) We need to spell out in the COC that political art and posts are not allowed if you don't want that stuff anywhere on the site. I was just thinking a place to dump the rubbish would be easier, but maybe not. Lol. I certainly would not go to that section, but I understand someone would still have to moderate it to some degree. What about religious stuff? To me that's political too. Where to draw the line though?
Just a few thoughts. -C
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 03:58 brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote: Hi C R (and Will and Steve), Thanks for your comments. I made a jobs board in Inkscape Community, because it's a 3rd party forum, and well, because "I can". But setting up something for nudity or politics on the official forum would take a LOT of discussion, not to mention words.
I think the forum, like the rest of the website, needs to be family-friendly, by the US definition of family friendly, because it seems to be the most restrictive (i.e. safe, legally).
Until the website has some way to hide and label images as "nsfw" or something like that, I don't think we could have things like political art or nudity (which are currently excluded by the CoC). As a moderator, I absolutely cringe at the thought of "political art" in today's world. I mean, omg, doesn't facebook do that job well enough for the whole world already?
Plus, I have not been thinking of this new forum as having sections for displaying artwork. Because I mean, we have the gallery for displaying images. People could put links to their galley space. But posting images in the forum, which are also still in the gallery....I don't know, it just seems excessive.
But I don't know. So far, it's only you 3 addressed with this message who have responded. And I think 2 of you just had to speak up about the file formats. And btw, that's just a thought for composing the darn thing. I don't expect it to take more than a couple of hours, so it's really not a big deal how we compose it.
Anyway, this is the general plan. Or at least, no one has spoken against it. After we write the rules about how staff (moderators) are selected, then the staff will be selected. And then the staff would decide about boards and categories. I would think if there are separate rules for separate boards, they will be posted in a sticky message in that board, and not written into the forum rules.
I think a jobs board would be great! And if the staff wants boards for displaying artwork, I wouldn't oppose it.
Do you all really want to help? Or did you just want to make your comments?
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:20 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Here's my crack at a forum code of conduct: "No spam, stay on the forum topic, be excellent to each other."
Additionally, I recommend we have areas of the forum with additional sets of rules, based on the content.
For example: political art, jobs (posting), self-promotion (requests for commissions) in order to keep other areas free from either of those things, but give users the freedom to post what they like elsewhere.
Maybe even a section for (legal) adult/nudity/erotica made with Inkscape, since what counts as offensive varies widely, and there needs to be some specific area to post so sensitive people (or people at work) don't get an eye-full of something they don't like to see.
Thoughts? -C
(by legal, I mean no depictions of ANYTHING illegal in the country where Inkscape's servers are. We can spell that out if we need to, or leave it up to the users to look into it.)
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 3:04 PM C R <cajhne@...155...> wrote:
I vote markdown as the "format" or non-format if you like. :) Then export to various other formats if needed.
-C
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:39 AM Steve Litt <slitt@...2357...> wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:14:45 +0000 Will Godfrey <willgodfrey@...3032...> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:36:48 -0700 "brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want tohandle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Justcare about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
I would suggest using ODT. It may not seem initially any better or more convenient, and although not immune to bugs, at least you can be sure it will never contain any tracking code or third party advertising - both of which which are often vulnerable to injecting exploits on your machine.
ODT is awful. LibreOffice is pretty bad. Why not plain text, or if that doesn't work for us, HTML?
SteveT
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Sorry, I sent the wrong link before. This is better: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/content/issues/45
Comment still welcome!
brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 11:44 AM To: Brynn Cc: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Why not just use that for the forums too then? Do we need another coc for the forum?
-C
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019, 14:45 brynn, <brynn@...3089...> wrote: Those things already are disallowed in the CoC. See the Guidelines for User-Submitted Contents section. https://inkscape.org/community/coc/
brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:08 AM To: Brynn Cc: Inkscape User Community ; willgodfrey@...3032... ; slitt@...2357... Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Fair enough. :) We need to spell out in the COC that political art and posts are not allowed if you don't want that stuff anywhere on the site. I was just thinking a place to dump the rubbish would be easier, but maybe not. Lol. I certainly would not go to that section, but I understand someone would still have to moderate it to some degree. What about religious stuff? To me that's political too. Where to draw the line though?
Just a few thoughts. -C
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 03:58 brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote: Hi C R (and Will and Steve), Thanks for your comments. I made a jobs board in Inkscape Community, because it's a 3rd party forum, and well, because "I can". But setting up something for nudity or politics on the official forum would take a LOT of discussion, not to mention words.
I think the forum, like the rest of the website, needs to be family-friendly, by the US definition of family friendly, because it seems to be the most restrictive (i.e. safe, legally).
Until the website has some way to hide and label images as "nsfw" or something like that, I don't think we could have things like political art or nudity (which are currently excluded by the CoC). As a moderator, I absolutely cringe at the thought of "political art" in today's world. I mean, omg, doesn't facebook do that job well enough for the whole world already?
Plus, I have not been thinking of this new forum as having sections for displaying artwork. Because I mean, we have the gallery for displaying images. People could put links to their galley space. But posting images in the forum, which are also still in the gallery....I don't know, it just seems excessive.
But I don't know. So far, it's only you 3 addressed with this message who have responded. And I think 2 of you just had to speak up about the file formats. And btw, that's just a thought for composing the darn thing. I don't expect it to take more than a couple of hours, so it's really not a big deal how we compose it.
Anyway, this is the general plan. Or at least, no one has spoken against it. After we write the rules about how staff (moderators) are selected, then the staff will be selected. And then the staff would decide about boards and categories. I would think if there are separate rules for separate boards, they will be posted in a sticky message in that board, and not written into the forum rules.
I think a jobs board would be great! And if the staff wants boards for displaying artwork, I wouldn't oppose it.
Do you all really want to help? Or did you just want to make your comments?
All best, brynn
-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:20 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] forum rules and guidelines
Here's my crack at a forum code of conduct: "No spam, stay on the forum topic, be excellent to each other."
Additionally, I recommend we have areas of the forum with additional sets of rules, based on the content.
For example: political art, jobs (posting), self-promotion (requests for commissions) in order to keep other areas free from either of those things, but give users the freedom to post what they like elsewhere.
Maybe even a section for (legal) adult/nudity/erotica made with Inkscape, since what counts as offensive varies widely, and there needs to be some specific area to post so sensitive people (or people at work) don't get an eye-full of something they don't like to see.
Thoughts? -C
(by legal, I mean no depictions of ANYTHING illegal in the country where Inkscape's servers are. We can spell that out if we need to, or leave it up to the users to look into it.)
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 3:04 PM C R <cajhne@...155...> wrote:
I vote markdown as the "format" or non-format if you like. :) Then export to various other formats if needed.
-C
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:39 AM Steve Litt <slitt@...2357...> wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:14:45 +0000 Will Godfrey <willgodfrey@...3032...> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:36:48 -0700 "brynn" <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want tohandle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Justcare about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
I would suggest using ODT. It may not seem initially any better or more convenient, and although not immune to bugs, at least you can be sure it will never contain any tracking code or third party advertising - both of which which are often vulnerable to injecting exploits on your machine.
ODT is awful. LibreOffice is pretty bad. Why not plain text, or if that doesn't work for us, HTML?
SteveT
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On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 20:58 -0700, brynn wrote:
Do you all really want to help? Or did you just want to make your comments?
Sorry Brynn,
I thought this post on the mailing list was part of the drafting process. In the past we've discussed code of conduct and other community documents in this way and I was repeating the mode of writing we did in the past.
I did make the assumption that you would be facilitating the drafting process. So getting in at the top of the thread with the best location for the drafting seemed best.
Sorry again for making so many assumptions.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
I figured also my comments would suffice. This is your show Brynn. I don't have time to help run it, sorry.
-C
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 17:24 , <doctormo@...155...> wrote:
On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 20:58 -0700, brynn wrote:
Do you all really want to help? Or did you just want to make your comments?
Sorry Brynn,
I thought this post on the mailing list was part of the drafting process. In the past we've discussed code of conduct and other community documents in this way and I was repeating the mode of writing we did in the past.
I did make the assumption that you would be facilitating the drafting process. So getting in at the top of the thread with the best location for the drafting seemed best.
Sorry again for making so many assumptions.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
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Hi Brynn,
For a live document, you can use the GitLab issues tracker. Most people will have accounts already and we'll be able to keep track inside the project better.
So long as you're ok drafting in GitLab.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Tue, 2019-02-12 at 10:36 -0700, brynn wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want tohandle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Justcare about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
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Uummm..... Ok, on this page https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/content under Editing Files, I found this tutorial: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/content/wikis/home
Is that what you mean? It's not marketing that we're doing, but I think that might be what you mean.
I don't have time to get into it right now. I have to log off for a prior commitment. But if that's what you mean, I'll study it as soon as I get back online (tomorrow night or Thurs am.
I was hoping to post the request for drafters in forums too, but I've run out of time. But I'll make the posts as soon as I get back.
Thanks! brynn
-----Original Message----- From: doctormo@...155... Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 11:54 AM To: brynn ; Inkscape User Community Cc: Inkscape-Devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] forum rules and guidelines
Hi Brynn,
For a live document, you can use the GitLab issues tracker. Most people will have accounts already and we'll be able to keep track inside the project better.
So long as you're ok drafting in GitLab.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Tue, 2019-02-12 at 10:36 -0700, brynn wrote:
Hi Friends, As the new forum is rapidly being finished, it's probably a good time to formalize the rules and guidelines for it. If anyone is interested in helping to draft this document or documents, please reply here.
Once we have a group, we'll decide exactly how we want tohandle this. When we started on this a couple of years ago, we used FramaPad, which allows users to edit documents live. I found it had the basic features that we needed. Or I think there are other similar types of sites. Although I'd be just as happy to be more old school, and exchange ODT or DOC files. But we can decide as a group.
There aren't really any requirements to participate. Justcare about the forum and how it functions :-)
All best, brynn
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