Hello -
As a newbie I cannot find how to draw the border or outline of an object such as a rectangle. I would have thought this would be blindingly obvious, but somehow I am missing it. I cannot find anything in the manual.
I would be grateful for advice.
Regards
John Sampson
Can you describe a little more what you want in the end? Right now it sounds like you want the outline of a rectangle with nothing in the inside. That can be achieved by setting the stroke to a colour and the fill to nothing, which can be accomplished in the bottom left corner of the screen (there are a row of squares of different colours plus a white one with a red X through it signaling no colour, which can be clicked on to set the fill of a selected object or shift-clicked to set the stroke, the results of which will be shown on the object and also on two other rectangles in the bottom left) or by using the window brought up by pressing the key combo Control-Shift-F. -Arlo James Barnes
Hello -
What I want is two horizontal parallel lines of the same length, one vertically above the other, connected at the ends with two vertical parallel lines of the same length, thus tracing a rectangle. I would have thought the route to this appearance would be via the rectangle object.
I managed to make the palette appear, but the manoeuvres you recommend have no effect. Thank you for trying to help me, though.
Regards
John S.
On 07/03/2016 18:05, Arlo Barnes wrote:
Can you describe a little more what you want in the end? Right now it sounds like you want the outline of a rectangle with nothing in the inside. That can be achieved by setting the stroke to a colour and the fill to nothing, which can be accomplished in the bottom left corner of the screen (there are a row of squares of different colours plus a white one with a red X through it signaling no colour, which can be clicked on to set the fill of a selected object or shift-clicked to set the stroke, the results of which will be shown on the object and also on two other rectangles in the bottom left) or by using the window brought up by pressing the key combo Control-Shift-F. -Arlo James Barnes
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On Monday, March 7, 2016 8:32:09 PM PST John Sampson wrote:
Hello -
What I want is two horizontal parallel lines of the same length, one vertically above the other, connected at the ends with two vertical parallel lines of the same length, thus tracing a rectangle. I would have thought the route to this appearance would be via the rectangle object.
Draw a rectangle with the rectangle tool open "Fill and Stroke" in the object menu selection (ctrl+shift+F) set fill to none; set stroke to whatever you want for the line appearance
select rectangle with the arrow (left toolbar) in the path menu selection, select object to path
change tool selector to edit paths by node (left toolbar) select all corners of the rectangle click on the icon (below the menu) that shows one node separating into 2 nodes The four corner nodes will change appearance
With the entire rectangle selected in the path menu selection, click on "break apart"
result is four separate lines as you have described
I managed to make the palette appear, but the manoeuvres you recommend have no effect. Thank you for trying to help me, though.
Regards
John S.
On 07/03/2016 18:05, Arlo Barnes wrote:
Can you describe a little more what you want in the end? Right now it sounds like you want the outline of a rectangle with nothing in the inside. That can be achieved by setting the stroke to a colour and the fill to nothing, which can be accomplished in the bottom left corner of the screen (there are a row of squares of different colours plus a white one with a red X through it signaling no colour, which can be clicked on to set the fill of a selected object or shift-clicked to set the stroke, the results of which will be shown on the object and also on two other rectangles in the bottom left) or by using the window brought up by pressing the key combo Control-Shift-F. -Arlo James Barnes
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Hello -
I have been experimenting and finding pretty unpredictable behaviour. At one point I was able to get a rectangle with "stroke" that worked, but mostly making selections in "Fill and stroke", tab "Stroke paint" and "Stroke style", does nothing. When I do get both stroke and fill, it seems that the transparency of one has to be the same transparency as that of the other. They both change together. If I de-select the rectangle so that the dotted lines indicating selection do not obscure the stroke (if any), the rectangle is apt to vanish altogether from the scene never to be found again.
I do not want to separate the lines I described - I was only describing them separately to try to make it clearer what I wanted to see - a rectangle with no, or transparent, fill, and a visible stroke - a line surrounding the rectangle as one would see if drawing on paper with a pencil. Perhaps that is what I should do - doing it on a computer is insane to start with - I will go more insane if I go on with this much longer.
Regards
John S.
On 07/03/2016 21:05, Carl Symons wrote:
On Monday, March 7, 2016 8:32:09 PM PST John Sampson wrote:
Hello -
What I want is two horizontal parallel lines of the same length, one vertically above the other, connected at the ends with two vertical parallel lines of the same length, thus tracing a rectangle. I would have thought the route to this appearance would be via the rectangle object.
Draw a rectangle with the rectangle tool open "Fill and Stroke" in the object menu selection (ctrl+shift+F) set fill to none; set stroke to whatever you want for the line appearance
select rectangle with the arrow (left toolbar) in the path menu selection, select object to path
change tool selector to edit paths by node (left toolbar) select all corners of the rectangle click on the icon (below the menu) that shows one node separating into 2 nodes The four corner nodes will change appearance
With the entire rectangle selected in the path menu selection, click on "break apart"
result is four separate lines as you have described
I managed to make the palette appear, but the manoeuvres you recommend have no effect. Thank you for trying to help me, though.
Regards
John S.
On 07/03/2016 18:05, Arlo Barnes wrote:
Can you describe a little more what you want in the end? Right now it sounds like you want the outline of a rectangle with nothing in the inside. That can be achieved by setting the stroke to a colour and the fill to nothing, which can be accomplished in the bottom left corner of the screen (there are a row of squares of different colours plus a white one with a red X through it signaling no colour, which can be clicked on to set the fill of a selected object or shift-clicked to set the stroke, the results of which will be shown on the object and also on two other rectangles in the bottom left) or by using the window brought up by pressing the key combo Control-Shift-F. -Arlo James Barnes
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Hello -
I do not want to separate the lines I described. What I want is to draw a rectangle.
I think I have found the solution - At the bottom of "Edit" menu there is "Preferences" (? moved from the "File" menu since earlier versions) . Under "Tools" there is "Shapes" and under this, "Rectangle". Radio buttons under "Style of new objects" are "Last used style" and "This tool's own style". The default value is the former. I changed this to the latter, and found that Fill and Stroke now actually work.
I suppose when one starts Inkscape with a new document, "Last used style" will be nil, so logically nothing should happen when one tries to draw a shape. I have never seen this reasoning applied in software before.
This was my last throw before deciding to uninstall Inkscape.
Regards
John Sampson
On 07/03/2016 21:05, Carl Symons wrote:
On Monday, March 7, 2016 8:32:09 PM PST John Sampson wrote:
Hello -
What I want is two horizontal parallel lines of the same length, one vertically above the other, connected at the ends with two vertical parallel lines of the same length, thus tracing a rectangle. I would have thought the route to this appearance would be via the rectangle object.
Draw a rectangle with the rectangle tool open "Fill and Stroke" in the object menu selection (ctrl+shift+F) set fill to none; set stroke to whatever you want for the line appearance
select rectangle with the arrow (left toolbar) in the path menu selection, select object to path
change tool selector to edit paths by node (left toolbar) select all corners of the rectangle click on the icon (below the menu) that shows one node separating into 2 nodes The four corner nodes will change appearance
With the entire rectangle selected in the path menu selection, click on "break apart"
result is four separate lines as you have described
I managed to make the palette appear, but the manoeuvres you recommend have no effect. Thank you for trying to help me, though.
Regards
John S.
On 07/03/2016 18:05, Arlo Barnes wrote:
Can you describe a little more what you want in the end? Right now it sounds like you want the outline of a rectangle with nothing in the inside. That can be achieved by setting the stroke to a colour and the fill to nothing, which can be accomplished in the bottom left corner of the screen (there are a row of squares of different colours plus a white one with a red X through it signaling no colour, which can be clicked on to set the fill of a selected object or shift-clicked to set the stroke, the results of which will be shown on the object and also on two other rectangles in the bottom left) or by using the window brought up by pressing the key combo Control-Shift-F. -Arlo James Barnes
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 8:00 AM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
I suppose when one starts Inkscape with a new document, "Last used style" will be nil, so logically nothing should happen when one tries to draw a shape.
I have never seen this reasoning applied in software before.
This was my last throw before deciding to uninstall Inkscape.
I am sorry you are having trouble. I would encourage you to consider giving it another try, but if that is not in the cards, best of luck with whatever other software you decide to use. I would like to say that what you posited above is *not* the way Inkscape works. "Last used style" is held over from the previous documents unless you change that preference, (and now that you have changed that preference there should be no problem) and the very first time you opened Inkscape it used the default (1px black, miter corners, IIRC) and made that the "last used style" until you changed it to whatever you needed for that document. Indeed, if you gave an object transparent or no fill and stroke, it would not be visible, and that would be the "last used style", but it is easy to change that by restyling. Anyway, if you decide to persist, this list is generally quite helpful.
-Arlo James Barnes
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:03 PM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
If I deselect the rectangle so that the dotted lines indicating selection do not obscure the stroke (if any), the rectangle is apt to vanish altogether from the scene never to be found again.
For objects that are not visible, try either Control-A (if there are only a few objects in the document total, where the others can be individually removed from the selection by shift-clicking them) or Control-F (to "find" the invisible object by classifying it; for example, I believe you can specify that all objects with stroke [or fill] 'none' be selected). -Arlo
*PostScript*: I realise this can be frustrating, because in a sense you are learning a new skill; it is not, as you say, as immediate as drawing on paper (for example). However, once you have gained a certain level of understanding of the software and a base level of proficiency with the skills, it often becomes much easier to make something in Inkscape than to draw it -- gradients, for instance, are considered an intermediate technique in traditional media. Also, Inkscape makes it easy to use visual files without taking up too much disk space or bandwidth when you are using a computer - to send to someone, for instance, or to put on a website (SVG started as a web-native format). I can certainly empathise with your frustration, there are many times where I have cursed Donald Knuth for writing TeX the way he did, although later that particular annoyance would resolve itself. I would caution you not to use hyperbole to expand frustration into mental illness, however.
I meant that I would have decided to uninstall Inkscape if I had not discovered this strange default.
I have never used the "Last used style" option nor loaded any document that would set it. There must be something else that causes it to be set that way.
Regards
John Sampson
On 08/03/2016 16:47, Arlo Barnes wrote:
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 8:00 AM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210... mailto:jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
I suppose when one starts Inkscape with a new document, "Last used style" will be nil, so logically nothing should happen when one tries to draw a shape. I have never seen this reasoning applied in software before. This was my last throw before deciding to uninstall Inkscape.I am sorry you are having trouble. I would encourage you to consider giving it another try, but if that is not in the cards, best of luck with whatever other software you decide to use. I would like to say that what you posited above is /not/ the way Inkscape works. "Last used style" is held over from the previous documents unless you change that preference, (and now that you have changed that preference there should be no problem) and the very first time you opened Inkscape it used the default (1px black, miter corners, IIRC) and made that the "last used style" until you changed it to whatever you needed for that document. Indeed, if you gave an object transparent or no fill and stroke, it would not be visible, and that would be the "last used style", but it is easy to change that by restyling. Anyway, if you decide to persist, this list is generally quite helpful.
-Arlo James Barnes
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 10:10 AM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
I meant that I would have decided to uninstall Inkscape if I had not discovered this strange default.
I see, I misunderstood. Apologies.
I have never used the "Last used style" option nor loaded any document that would set it. There must be something else that causes it to be set that way.
As you said, the option is selected by default; but if this was the first document you had used the Rectangle tool on, this may be unintended behaviour and if it can be replicated, could be reported as a bug. -Arlo James Barnes
Hi John,
I find that having the "Fill and Stroke" panel and "Align and Distribute" panel are my most frequently used panels - I have them therefore "docked" on the right of my inkscape and open all the time:
http://i.imgur.com/UxzFwoB.png
If you don't get them docked (i.e. they are a floating window), you can click on the title "fill and stroke" and drag it to the sidebar.
I also frequently jump back to the "select" tool by pressing "S", which allows me to select and move objects around the "page".
There is an excellent set of tutorials on how to use Inkscape here: https://inkscape.org/en/learn/tutorials/
The tutorials allowed me to really learn Inkscape to the point that I think I am quite capable in using inkscape, and have in fact created some professionally printed certificates for a non-profit I am a member of.
-Chris
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:10 AM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
I meant that I would have decided to uninstall Inkscape if I had not discovered this strange default.
I have never used the "Last used style" option nor loaded any document that would set it. There must be something else that causes it to be set that way.
Regards
John Sampson
On 08/03/2016 16:47, Arlo Barnes wrote:
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 8:00 AM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
I suppose when one starts Inkscape with a new document, "Last used style" will be nil, so logically nothing should happen when one tries to draw a shape.
I have never seen this reasoning applied in software before.
This was my last throw before deciding to uninstall Inkscape.
I am sorry you are having trouble. I would encourage you to consider giving it another try, but if that is not in the cards, best of luck with whatever other software you decide to use. I would like to say that what you posited above is *not* the way Inkscape works. "Last used style" is held over from the previous documents unless you change that preference, (and now that you have changed that preference there should be no problem) and the very first time you opened Inkscape it used the default (1px black, miter corners, IIRC) and made that the "last used style" until you changed it to whatever you needed for that document. Indeed, if you gave an object transparent or no fill and stroke, it would not be visible, and that would be the "last used style", but it is easy to change that by restyling. Anyway, if you decide to persist, this list is generally quite helpful.
-Arlo James Barnes
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Chris,
If you're just quickly switching tools to move something, Spacebar is your friend for the selector tool. If you tap it once it switches from whatever tool to the selector tool, tap it again and it switches back to your previous tool. Just throwing it out there in case you weren't aware.
Cheers, Josh
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Chris Tooley <euxneks@...155...> wrote:
Hi John,
I find that having the "Fill and Stroke" panel and "Align and Distribute" panel are my most frequently used panels - I have them therefore "docked" on the right of my inkscape and open all the time:
http://i.imgur.com/UxzFwoB.png
If you don't get them docked (i.e. they are a floating window), you can click on the title "fill and stroke" and drag it to the sidebar.
I also frequently jump back to the "select" tool by pressing "S", which allows me to select and move objects around the "page".
There is an excellent set of tutorials on how to use Inkscape here: https://inkscape.org/en/learn/tutorials/
The tutorials allowed me to really learn Inkscape to the point that I think I am quite capable in using inkscape, and have in fact created some professionally printed certificates for a non-profit I am a member of.
-Chris
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:10 AM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
I meant that I would have decided to uninstall Inkscape if I had not discovered this strange default.
I have never used the "Last used style" option nor loaded any document that would set it. There must be something else that causes it to be set that way.
Regards
John Sampson
On 08/03/2016 16:47, Arlo Barnes wrote:
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 8:00 AM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
I suppose when one starts Inkscape with a new document, "Last used style" will be nil, so logically nothing should happen when one tries to draw a shape.
I have never seen this reasoning applied in software before.
This was my last throw before deciding to uninstall Inkscape.
I am sorry you are having trouble. I would encourage you to consider giving it another try, but if that is not in the cards, best of luck with whatever other software you decide to use. I would like to say that what you posited above is *not* the way Inkscape works. "Last used style" is held over from the previous documents unless you change that preference, (and now that you have changed that preference there should be no problem) and the very first time you opened Inkscape it used the default (1px black, miter corners, IIRC) and made that the "last used style" until you changed it to whatever you needed for that document. Indeed, if you gave an object transparent or no fill and stroke, it would not be visible, and that would be the "last used style", but it is easy to change that by restyling. Anyway, if you decide to persist, this list is generally quite helpful.
-Arlo James Barnes
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Josh,
Thanks for the tip, I've gotten used to using the letters for each tool but I'll try this out next time I use Inkscape.
-Chris
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Josh Andler <scislac@...155...> wrote:
Chris,
If you're just quickly switching tools to move something, Spacebar is your friend for the selector tool. If you tap it once it switches from whatever tool to the selector tool, tap it again and it switches back to your previous tool. Just throwing it out there in case you weren't aware.
Cheers, Josh
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Chris Tooley <euxneks@...155...> wrote:
Hi John,
I find that having the "Fill and Stroke" panel and "Align and Distribute" panel are my most frequently used panels - I have them therefore "docked" on the right of my inkscape and open all the time:
http://i.imgur.com/UxzFwoB.png
If you don't get them docked (i.e. they are a floating window), you can click on the title "fill and stroke" and drag it to the sidebar.
I also frequently jump back to the "select" tool by pressing "S", which allows me to select and move objects around the "page".
There is an excellent set of tutorials on how to use Inkscape here: https://inkscape.org/en/learn/tutorials/
The tutorials allowed me to really learn Inkscape to the point that I think I am quite capable in using inkscape, and have in fact created some professionally printed certificates for a non-profit I am a member of.
-Chris
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:10 AM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
I meant that I would have decided to uninstall Inkscape if I had not discovered this strange default.
I have never used the "Last used style" option nor loaded any document that would set it. There must be something else that causes it to be set that way.
Regards
John Sampson
On 08/03/2016 16:47, Arlo Barnes wrote:
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 8:00 AM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
I suppose when one starts Inkscape with a new document, "Last used style" will be nil, so logically nothing should happen when one tries to draw a shape.
I have never seen this reasoning applied in software before.
This was my last throw before deciding to uninstall Inkscape.
I am sorry you are having trouble. I would encourage you to consider giving it another try, but if that is not in the cards, best of luck with whatever other software you decide to use. I would like to say that what you posited above is *not* the way Inkscape works. "Last used style" is held over from the previous documents unless you change that preference, (and now that you have changed that preference there should be no problem) and the very first time you opened Inkscape it used the default (1px black, miter corners, IIRC) and made that the "last used style" until you changed it to whatever you needed for that document. Indeed, if you gave an object transparent or no fill and stroke, it would not be visible, and that would be the "last used style", but it is easy to change that by restyling. Anyway, if you decide to persist, this list is generally quite helpful.
-Arlo James Barnes
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When I do get both stroke and fill, it seems that the transparency of one has to be the same transparency as that of the other. They both change together.
It looks like nobody has picked up on this statement, so I'll try to explain what's probably happening:
There are lots of ways to make things invisible in Inkscape. It's one of the most common problems for new users, as it's not always obvious how to make things visible again if you don't really know how you made them invisible in the first place.
One way of losing things is to make them transparent. But there are various ways to make them transparent, depending on what exactly you want to achieve. These are the main ones:
1) You can make whole layers transparent. This isn't a common problem, but can happen. 2) You can make groups of objects transparent by adjusting their opacity setting in the Fill & Stroke dialog, or via the "O:" menu at the left of the status bar below the drawing window. 3) You can make individual objects transparent in the same way. 4) You can make the fill or stroke transparent independently of one another by adjusting the "A" slider ("Alpha") in the Fill & Stroke dialogue.
To answer your problem, they're both changing together because you're adjusting the opacity of the whole object. To adjust the fill or stroke separately, use the "A" slider just below the colour sliders in the Fill & Stroke dialog.
A lot of these sort of issues are covered in the first few instalments of my tutorial series from Full Circle Magazine. They're all free to download, more information here: http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11981
Mark
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:03 PM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
Hello -
I have been experimenting and finding pretty unpredictable behaviour. At one point I was able to get a rectangle with "stroke" that worked, but mostly making selections in "Fill and stroke", tab "Stroke paint" and "Stroke style", does nothing. When I do get both stroke and fill, it seems that the transparency of one has to be the same transparency as that of the other. They both change together. If I de-select the rectangle so that the dotted lines indicating selection do not obscure the stroke (if any), the rectangle is apt to vanish altogether from the scene never to be found again.
I do not want to separate the lines I described - I was only describing them separately to try to make it clearer what I wanted to see - a rectangle with no, or transparent, fill, and a visible stroke - a line surrounding the rectangle as one would see if drawing on paper with a pencil. Perhaps that is what I should do - doing it on a computer is insane to start with - I will go more insane if I go on with this much longer.
Regards
John S.
On 07/03/2016 21:05, Carl Symons wrote:
On Monday, March 7, 2016 8:32:09 PM PST John Sampson wrote:
Hello -
What I want is two horizontal parallel lines of the same length, one vertically above the other, connected at the ends with two vertical parallel lines of the same length, thus tracing a rectangle. I would have thought the route to this appearance would be via the rectangle object.
Draw a rectangle with the rectangle tool open "Fill and Stroke" in the object menu selection (ctrl+shift+F) set fill to none; set stroke to whatever you want for the line appearance
select rectangle with the arrow (left toolbar) in the path menu selection, select object to path
change tool selector to edit paths by node (left toolbar) select all corners of the rectangle click on the icon (below the menu) that shows one node separating into 2
nodes
The four corner nodes will change appearance
With the entire rectangle selected in the path menu selection, click on "break apart"
result is four separate lines as you have described
I managed to make the palette appear, but the manoeuvres you recommend have no effect. Thank you for trying to help me, though.
Regards
John S.
On 07/03/2016 18:05, Arlo Barnes wrote:
Can you describe a little more what you want in the end? Right now it sounds like you want the outline of a rectangle with nothing in the inside. That can be achieved by setting the stroke to a colour and the fill to nothing, which can be accomplished in the bottom left corner of the screen (there are a row of squares of different colours plus a white one with a red X through it signaling no colour, which can be clicked on to set the fill of a selected object or shift-clicked to set the stroke, the results of which will be shown on the object and also on two other rectangles in the bottom left) or by using the window brought up by pressing the key combo Control-Shift-F. -Arlo James Barnes
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On 09/03/2016 14:48, Mark Crutch wrote:
When I do get both stroke and fill, it seems that the transparency of one has to be the same transparency as that of the other. They both change together.It looks like nobody has picked up on this statement, so I'll try to explain what's probably happening:
There are lots of ways to make things invisible in Inkscape. It's one of the most common problems for new users, as it's not always obvious how to make things visible again if you don't really know how you made them invisible in the first place.
One way of losing things is to make them transparent. But there are various ways to make them transparent, depending on what exactly you want to achieve. These are the main ones:
- You can make whole layers transparent. This isn't a common problem,
but can happen. 2) You can make groups of objects transparent by adjusting their opacity setting in the Fill & Stroke dialog, or via the "O:" menu at the left of the status bar below the drawing window. 3) You can make individual objects transparent in the same way. 4) You can make the fill or stroke transparent independently of one another by adjusting the "A" slider ("Alpha") in the Fill & Stroke dialogue.
To answer your problem, they're both changing together because you're adjusting the opacity of the whole object. To adjust the fill or stroke separately, use the "A" slider just below the colour sliders in the Fill & Stroke dialog.
A lot of these sort of issues are covered in the first few instalments of my tutorial series from Full Circle Magazine. They're all free to download, more information here: http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11981
Mark
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:03 PM, John Sampson <jrs.idx@...3210... mailto:jrs.idx@...3210...> wrote:
Hello - I have been experimenting and finding pretty unpredictable behaviour. At one point I was able to get a rectangle with "stroke" that worked, but mostly making selections in "Fill and stroke", tab "Stroke paint" and "Stroke style", does nothing. When I do get both stroke and fill, it seems that the transparency of one has to be the same transparency as that of the other. They both change together. If I de-select the rectangle so that the dotted lines indicating selection do not obscure the stroke (if any), the rectangle is apt to vanish altogether from the scene never to be found again. I do not want to separate the lines I described - I was only describing them separately to try to make it clearer what I wanted to see - a rectangle with no, or transparent, fill, and a visible stroke - a line surrounding the rectangle as one would see if drawing on paper with a pencil. Perhaps that is what I should do - doing it on a computer is insane to start with - I will go more insane if I go on with this much longer. Regards John S. On 07/03/2016 21:05, Carl Symons wrote: > On Monday, March 7, 2016 8:32:09 PM PST John Sampson wrote: >> Hello - >> >> What I want is two horizontal parallel lines of the same length, one >> vertically above the other, connected at the >> ends with two vertical parallel lines of the same length, thus tracing a >> rectangle. I would have thought the route >> to this appearance would be via the rectangle object. > Draw a rectangle with the rectangle tool > open "Fill and Stroke" in the object menu selection (ctrl+shift+F) > set fill to none; set stroke to whatever you want for the line appearance > > select rectangle with the arrow (left toolbar) > in the path menu selection, select object to path > > change tool selector to edit paths by node (left toolbar) > select all corners of the rectangle > click on the icon (below the menu) that shows one node separating into 2 nodes > The four corner nodes will change appearance > > With the entire rectangle selected > in the path menu selection, click on "break apart" > > result is four separate lines as you have described > > > >> I managed to make the palette appear, but the manoeuvres you recommend >> have no effect. Thank you for trying to help me, though. >> >> Regards >> >> John S. >> >> On 07/03/2016 18:05, Arlo Barnes wrote: >>> Can you describe a little more what you want in the end? Right now it >>> sounds like you want the outline of a rectangle with nothing in the >>> inside. That can be achieved by setting the stroke to a colour and the >>> fill to nothing, which can be accomplished in the bottom left corner >>> of the screen (there are a row of squares of different colours plus a >>> white one with a red X through it signaling no colour, which can be >>> clicked on to set the fill of a selected object or shift-clicked to >>> set the stroke, the results of which will be shown on the object and >>> also on two other rectangles in the bottom left) or by using the >>> window brought up by pressing the key combo Control-Shift-F. >>> -Arlo James Barnes >>>
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