Beims Bob-RWBC70 wrote:

Bill;

You're hitting the same wall that we hit here at my company last year. We run RHEL4 on thousands of workstations, and spent many, many hours trying to get 0.46 to build for our standard image. We also spent many hours trying to find a prebuilt package with no luck.

One of our Linux gurus finally came up with a build script that worked so that we could deploy 0.46. Unfortunately, he has left the company and when I tried using his script to build 0.47 a few days ago, it ran into different dependencies than he'd resolved for 0.46. And I don't have the time to chase those dependencies. Our Linux team is getting ready to upgrade the company to RHEL5 over the next few months, so for now we're on hold with 0.47, hoping it will build with RHEL5 the first time.

Yes.

The Inkscape development community appears to live in a utopian world unbridled by the logistic and economic forces which tend to dominate our decisions in the corporate world.

We all have Linux boxes on our desks because of the scale of processes we run. We can't afford to do our own system administration and our system administrators are not going to install a parallel, virtual operating system (Fedora) so that we can run some obscure vector drawing application (No matter how great it is. :-) )

In closing and speaking to you as a competitor, I suggest you place all integrated circuit development activities on hold and concentrate all corporate resources on this issue for the benefit the greater Inkscape user community.

Bill

Not the message you're looking for, but at least you know you're not alone! ;^)

Regards, Bob

-----Original Message----- From: Donna Benjamin [mailto:donna@...2629...] Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:19 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Need a prebuilt Inkscape for Linux.

On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 09:17 -0500, william.crocker@...2677... wrote:

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Big Inkscape fan, but stuck on 0.44

Does anyone know where I can download prebuilt versions of Inkscape for Linux RedHat #4.

I tried to build my own but very quickly found myself in deep, library

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dependency hell.

Hi William!

I dunno if this is going to help you at all, but I figure it might be worth a try - and someone else might pop up with better advice if it doesn't.

Fedora Inkscape packages are here... and they go back a little while, so might work with your version of Red Hat. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/inkscape

Various RPM binaries are here... http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3?stat=3&search=inkscape&srodzaj=3

But you might find you actually need to upgrade Red Hat to get a newer version of Inkscape that works.

Good Luck!

cheers Donna

-- Donna Benjamin - kattekrab.net

Inkscape: Open Source Scalable Vector Graphics http://www.inkscape.org

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On 02/17/2010 10:58 AM, william.crocker@...2677... wrote:

The Inkscape development community appears to live in a utopian world unbridled by the logistic and economic forces which tend to dominate our decisions in the corporate world.

We all have Linux boxes on our desks because of the scale of processes we run. We can't afford to do our own system administration and our system administrators are not going to install a parallel, virtual operating system (Fedora) so that we can run some obscure vector drawing application (No matter how great it is. :-) )

In closing and speaking to you as a competitor, I suggest you place all integrated circuit development activities on hold and concentrate all corporate resources on this issue for the benefit the greater Inkscape user community.

Bill

Well, apparently the Inkscape devs should not be trying to use newer technology to make and "obscure" Inkscape better (so that it can be even more obscure and outdated).

Yes, the Inkscape (indeed, all open software) development world IS unbridled by the logistic and economic forces of the corporate world. It's that way be design - that's why it can be as great as it is.

So, to state your point precisely, you think that the people who develop Inkscape without pay should be adapting the software with their own unpaid time and unrepaid resources to work on your outdated system (RHEL 4 is in phase 2 - no new software functionality can be expected - it's obviously going to be outdated) for your commercial company, and God forbid that anyone should expect that a company which uses a software for a profit might spend some time and resources making it work for them.

Did I get that right?

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of the hard work and long hours the volunteers of the Inkscape community have put into making Inkscape for us. Even if it's not perfect and can't adapt to every situation. Thank you sincerely - from the thousands of satisfied users from whom you may not hear but are nonetheless appreciative.

JF

On 02/17/2010 01:14 PM, william.crocker@...2677... wrote:

Easy there, big fella'.

I was just sharing my on going frustration at not being able to download and use much of any software these days, including Inkscape (which is fabulous, even at 0.44).

In my mind I was contrasting this with my ability to develop software of some complexity using Qt and with little push back from my outdated system, but I would not want to say that out load for fear of spiraling this thread out of control.

... and when I said 'obscure' obviously I was relaying the response I would get from my sys admins if I asked them to install the latest Inkscape. Their primary goal is to provide software used by IC designers, not software used by in-house software developers who are writing software to be used by IC designers. My frustration mounts.

Bill

While this may have been your intention, you came across as bitterly critical, sarcastic and offensive towards the Inkscape devs - and I certainly didn't take it personally, in that sense, since I'm not one of them!

I know I'm not the only person who took it that way. Please be careful about how you say things. It's one thing to express frustration - it's another to forward undue criticism.

If you want help, just ask for help - it will be given if anyone is able. This list is generally very helpful and amicable to inquirers.

JF

P.S. Thank you for your patronizing "Easy there, big fella'", which I can only assume is meant to make you feel less foolish about my defense of the Inkscape community. I'll refrain from returning the favor.

On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 10:58 -0500, william.crocker@...2677... wrote:

Beims Bob-RWBC70 wrote:

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Bill;

You're hitting the same wall that we hit here at my company last year. We run RHEL4 on thousands of workstations, and spent many, many hours trying to get 0.46 to build for our standard image. We also spent many hours trying to find a prebuilt package with no luck.

The Inkscape development community appears to live in a utopian world unbridled by the logistic and economic forces which tend to dominate our decisions in the corporate world.

Bob - thanks for jumping in and sharing your experience. Bill - I understand your frustration. I once felt much the same stuck on a windows box at a client site unable to access the latest and greatest Inkscape I was used to running at home on Ubuntu.

Here's a thought:

If you guys are still both using RHEL4 - do you have a Red Hat support contract? If yes - maybe you could ask them to backport Inkscape for you? Supporting a distro that old is really beyond the capacity of a volunteer support army like those of us here - but Red Hat should have the internal skills and know how to get it working for you. The catch is you just might have to pay for that expertise...

Red Hat themselves are now onto RH5 and phasing out RH4 - but I'm sure they've still got customers on older versions... it might be worth a try... Hey - I know a few people at Red Hat...

<time passes because I sent this from the wrong email address>

so I called a Red Hat employee who indicated he would be willing to help us out!

So Bill and Bob - can you forward me more specifics off list so I can get my friend to help you both? His first thought is that there must be a YUM repository out there somewhere that has a build you can use, and if not, he'd be willing to help investigate a back port.

And - as part of all this, let's see if we can do something about the documentation at the same time.

cheers Donna