Oh my! I see... so the forum we have today was created by someone outside of the project team and became very popular. I see. Well... in this case never mind. I don't want to disturb everyone with this then... just thought that someone forgot to put the link to the forum since there is so much activity in there.

Let's pray for a peaceful and civilized solution soon then.

Thanks!

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 11:21 AM brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote:

Indeed, InkscapeForum.com is the de facto official forum. It was removed from the links on the Community page (a couple or 3 years ago) because it came to light that except for spam control, there is no other significant management of the forum (just loyal and dedicated members, helping Inkscape users, day in and day out). In my opinion, it screams to be updated. We have no access to its server.

The single owner/admin has twice said he will provide the forum to become community managed. And now that the Inkscape project has it's own server, a new forum has been installed, and is ready and waiting for him to deposit the databases and other files. I guess we've been waiting around 4 or 5 months?

I'm not sure what we're going to do, but I guess it's probably time to address it, and decide what "Plan B" is going to be. Just my opinion though.

Certainly if it's databases are used to start the new official forum, it will be well-linked from the website!

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Victor Westmann Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 10:58 AM To: inkscape-user Subject: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape Forum

Hi Guys,

I am a long time inkscape user but I just recently found the forum. Maybe it is just me but isn't it possible for us to include the forum (www.inkscapeforum.com) in one of the main menus of the Inkscape website? (maybe under the option "community" of under the option "learn"?)

There such a rich wealth of knowledge and so many active discussions that I feel like I have rediscovered this application today altogether!

What do you think?

Regards,

--Victor Westmann

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I'd just let it resolve naturally. Lots of people from our group post to the Inkscape forum. I say we set up our own, start answering frequently asked questions there to start migrating people over without the drama.

My 2p -C

On Fri, 9 Nov 2018, 20:47 Victor Westmann <victor.westmann@...155... wrote:

We can try to talk to the InkscapeForum in the most peaceful and diplomatic way. If he/she does not collaborate with us we can start a new forum and mention in our site that the other one is NOT OFFICIAL forum. It can be used with no further problems but it is not endorsed by the project.

What do you think?

--Victor Westmann

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 12:30 PM Victor Westmann <victor.westmann@...155...> wrote:

...

Oh my! I see... so the forum we have today was created by someone outside of the project team and became very popular. I see. Well... in this case never mind. I don't want to disturb everyone with this then... just thought that someone forgot to put the link to the forum since there is so much activity in there.

Let's pray for a peaceful and civilized solution soon then.

Thanks!

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 11:21 AM brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote:

...

Indeed, InkscapeForum.com is the de facto official forum. It was removed from the links on the Community page (a couple or 3 years ago) because it came to light that except for spam control, there is no other significant management of the forum (just loyal and dedicated members, helping Inkscape users, day in and day out). In my opinion, it screams to be updated. We have no access to its server.

The single owner/admin has twice said he will provide the forum to become community managed. And now that the Inkscape project has it's own server, a new forum has been installed, and is ready and waiting for him to deposit the databases and other files. I guess we've been waiting around 4 or 5 months?

I'm not sure what we're going to do, but I guess it's probably time to address it, and decide what "Plan B" is going to be. Just my opinion though.

Certainly if it's databases are used to start the new official forum, it will be well-linked from the website!

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Victor Westmann Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 10:58 AM To: inkscape-user Subject: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape Forum

Hi Guys,

I am a long time inkscape user but I just recently found the forum. Maybe it is just me but isn't it possible for us to include the forum (www.inkscapeforum.com) in one of the main menus of the Inkscape website? (maybe under the option "community" of under the option "learn"?)

There such a rich wealth of knowledge and so many active discussions that I feel like I have rediscovered this application today altogether!

What do you think?

Regards,

--Victor Westmann

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Excellent. Sorry I missed it! :)

-C

On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 5:45 PM Victor Westmann <victor.westmann@...155...> wrote:

Yes CR. This is what I suggested. We start our own and go from there. Things will slowly fall into place.

Have a great day!

On Sat, Nov 10, 2018, 2:21 AM C R <cajhne@...155... wrote:

...

I'd just let it resolve naturally. Lots of people from our group post to the Inkscape forum. I say we set up our own, start answering frequently asked questions there to start migrating people over without the drama.

My 2p -C

On Fri, 9 Nov 2018, 20:47 Victor Westmann <victor.westmann@...155... wrote:

...

We can try to talk to the InkscapeForum in the most peaceful and diplomatic way. If he/she does not collaborate with us we can start a new forum and mention in our site that the other one is NOT OFFICIAL forum. It can be used with no further problems but it is not endorsed by the project.

What do you think?

--Victor Westmann

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 12:30 PM Victor Westmann < victor.westmann@...155...> wrote:

...

Oh my! I see... so the forum we have today was created by someone outside of the project team and became very popular. I see. Well... in this case never mind. I don't want to disturb everyone with this then... just thought that someone forgot to put the link to the forum since there is so much activity in there.

Let's pray for a peaceful and civilized solution soon then.

Thanks!

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 11:21 AM brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote:

...

Indeed, InkscapeForum.com is the de facto official forum. It was removed from the links on the Community page (a couple or 3 years ago) because it came to light that except for spam control, there is no other significant management of the forum (just loyal and dedicated members, helping Inkscape users, day in and day out). In my opinion, it screams to be updated. We have no access to its server.

The single owner/admin has twice said he will provide the forum to become community managed. And now that the Inkscape project has it's own server, a new forum has been installed, and is ready and waiting for him to deposit the databases and other files. I guess we've been waiting around 4 or 5 months?

I'm not sure what we're going to do, but I guess it's probably time to address it, and decide what "Plan B" is going to be. Just my opinion though.

Certainly if it's databases are used to start the new official forum, it will be well-linked from the website!

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Victor Westmann Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 10:58 AM To: inkscape-user Subject: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape Forum

Hi Guys,

I am a long time inkscape user but I just recently found the forum. Maybe it is just me but isn't it possible for us to include the forum (www.inkscapeforum.com) in one of the main menus of the Inkscape website? (maybe under the option "community" of under the option "learn"?)

There such a rich wealth of knowledge and so many active discussions that I feel like I have rediscovered this application today altogether!

What do you think?

Regards,

--Victor Westmann

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It's my understanding that we always aim for the lightest possible touch, especially with people who have been a part of and supported Inkscape over the years.

The project setting up another forum under direct control of the project should not be seen as competition for the old Inkscape forum, but a necessary step.

This should in no way reduce our sincere gratitude to the hosts of Inkscape forum. And we do hope that they will continue to be a part of Inkscape and the new forum if indeed they have time to continue contributing in the future when it's more convenient for them to do so.

With this in mind, I think 3 months is plenty of notice. I believe any contributor who steps away for that long would not be surprised that the project continues on in their absence, which of course we must do to support our users and community.

So with absolutely no disrespect to the Inkscape forum hosts, I believe we should continue with our plans within the active community.

I will bring it up at the next board meeting if it's determined we need a majority vote on it. In the meantime I'll post the concern to the board mailing list.

Thanks to Brynn for keeping up with it, and keeping us all in the loop with complete transparency and a compassion and patience that is truly motivating and inspiring. :)

My 2p -C

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018, 10:51 brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote:

Just to be clear, there is no adversarial relationship between InkscapeForum and the rest of the community. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I think the owner was once involved with the community. He has continued to host the site for all these years, without complaint. Just also without input.

At this point, I think we are still hoping and waiting. It's just that I'm wondering how long we should wait. Perhaps ironically, I was the one who advocated for waiting longer (few months) rather than shorter (few weeks). But it has been a few months.

I guess I should message the small team who has been working on this, and find out if it's time to take our next steps (after deciding what those steps will be). Your proposed solution is indeed one of those options.

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Victor Westmann Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 1:46 PM To: inkscape-user Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape Forum

We can try to talk to the InkscapeForum in the most peaceful and diplomatic way. If he/she does not collaborate with us we can start a new forum and mention in our site that the other one is NOT OFFICIAL forum. It can be used with no further problems but it is not endorsed by the project.

What do you think?

--Victor Westmann

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 12:30 PM Victor Westmann <victor.westmann@...155...>

wrote:

Oh my! I see... so the forum we have today was created by someone outside of the project team and became very popular. I see. Well... in this case never mind. I don't want to disturb everyone with this then... just thought that someone forgot to put the link to the forum since there is so much activity in there.

Let's pray for a peaceful and civilized solution soon then.

Thanks!

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 11:21 AM brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote: Indeed, InkscapeForum.com is the de facto official forum. It was removed from the links on the Community page (a couple or 3 years ago) because it came to light that except for spam control, there is no other significant management of the forum (just loyal and dedicated members, helping Inkscape users, day in and day out). In my opinion, it screams to be updated. We have no access to its server.

The single owner/admin has twice said he will provide the forum to become community managed. And now that the Inkscape project has it's own server, a new forum has been installed, and is ready and waiting for him to deposit the databases and other files. I guess we've been waiting around 4 or 5 months?

I'm not sure what we're going to do, but I guess it's probably time to address it, and decide what "Plan B" is going to be. Just my opinion though.

Certainly if it's databases are used to start the new official forum, it will be well-linked from the website!

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Victor Westmann Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 10:58 AM To: inkscape-user Subject: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape Forum

Hi Guys,

I am a long time inkscape user but I just recently found the forum. Maybe it is just me but isn't it possible for us to include the forum (www.inkscapeforum.com) in one of the main menus of the Inkscape website? (maybe under the option "community" of under the option "learn"?)

There such a rich wealth of knowledge and so many active discussions that I feel like I have rediscovered this application today altogether!

What do you think?

Regards,

--Victor Westmann

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Oh, I didn't realize the board had been discussing this. I haven't been to any board meetings lately.

I sent that message (which I mentioned I would send) to the small team which I'm aware has been working on it. (no replies yet, but it was just a couple of hours ago or something) I just didn't realize others from the community were interested.

While it's probably better to keep it small at this point, I'd be glad to copy in anyone else who is interested.

fwiw, I agree C R's sentiments about the 3 month thing, and especially since this is our 2nd time around.

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 5:55 AM To: Inkscape User Community Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape Forum

It's my understanding that we always aim for the lightest possible touch, especially with people who have been a part of and supported Inkscape over the years.

The project setting up another forum under direct control of the project should not be seen as competition for the old Inkscape forum, but a necessary step.

This should in no way reduce our sincere gratitude to the hosts of Inkscape forum. And we do hope that they will continue to be a part of Inkscape and the new forum if indeed they have time to continue contributing in the future when it's more convenient for them to do so.

With this in mind, I think 3 months is plenty of notice. I believe any contributor who steps away for that long would not be surprised that the project continues on in their absence, which of course we must do to support our users and community.

So with absolutely no disrespect to the Inkscape forum hosts, I believe we should continue with our plans within the active community.

I will bring it up at the next board meeting if it's determined we need a majority vote on it. In the meantime I'll post the concern to the board mailing list.

Thanks to Brynn for keeping up with it, and keeping us all in the loop with complete transparency and a compassion and patience that is truly motivating and inspiring. :)

My 2p -C

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018, 10:51 brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote: Just to be clear, there is no adversarial relationship between InkscapeForum and the rest of the community. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I think the owner was once involved with the community. He has continued to host the site for all these years, without complaint. Just also without input.

At this point, I think we are still hoping and waiting. It's just that I'm wondering how long we should wait. Perhaps ironically, I was the one who advocated for waiting longer (few months) rather than shorter (few weeks). But it has been a few months.

I guess I should message the small team who has been working on this, and find out if it's time to take our next steps (after deciding what those steps will be). Your proposed solution is indeed one of those options.

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Victor Westmann Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 1:46 PM To: inkscape-user Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape Forum

We can try to talk to the InkscapeForum in the most peaceful and diplomatic way. If he/she does not collaborate with us we can start a new forum and mention in our site that the other one is NOT OFFICIAL forum. It can be used with no further problems but it is not endorsed by the project.

What do you think?

--Victor Westmann

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 12:30 PM Victor Westmann <victor.westmann@...155...> wrote:

Oh my! I see... so the forum we have today was created by someone outside of the project team and became very popular. I see. Well... in this case never mind. I don't want to disturb everyone with this then... just thought that someone forgot to put the link to the forum since there is so much activity in there.

Let's pray for a peaceful and civilized solution soon then.

Thanks!

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 11:21 AM brynn <brynn@...3089... wrote: Indeed, InkscapeForum.com is the de facto official forum. It was removed from the links on the Community page (a couple or 3 years ago) because it came to light that except for spam control, there is no other significant management of the forum (just loyal and dedicated members, helping Inkscape users, day in and day out). In my opinion, it screams to be updated. We have no access to its server.

The single owner/admin has twice said he will provide the forum to become community managed. And now that the Inkscape project has it's own server, a new forum has been installed, and is ready and waiting for him to deposit the databases and other files. I guess we've been waiting around 4 or 5 months?

I'm not sure what we're going to do, but I guess it's probably time to address it, and decide what "Plan B" is going to be. Just my opinion though.

Certainly if it's databases are used to start the new official forum, it will be well-linked from the website!

All best, brynn

-----Original Message----- From: Victor Westmann Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 10:58 AM To: inkscape-user Subject: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape Forum

Hi Guys,

I am a long time inkscape user but I just recently found the forum. Maybe it is just me but isn't it possible for us to include the forum (www.inkscapeforum.com) in one of the main menus of the Inkscape website? (maybe under the option "community" of under the option "learn"?)

There such a rich wealth of knowledge and so many active discussions that I feel like I have rediscovered this application today altogether!

What do you think?

Regards,

--Victor Westmann

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Am 13.11.2018 um 16:53 schrieb doctormo@...155...:

Hi all,

The website is running a bit more quickly than before. I'd like to resubmit the original forum design for consideration:

https://inkscape.org/forums/

It could do with a designer to work on the pages.

Martin,

Hi Martin,

while I really like how it integrates into the website I feel it lacks a few features to be really considered as an alternative.

Some things that seem to be missing in no particular order and certainly not complete:

* Proper search including title/full-text/author search, sorting features, etc. (likely one of the most important if not *the* most important feature of a functional forum!) * Editing posts * Proper text editor with formatting features and stuff like headers, lists, tables, links, etc. * Easy linking / embedding of images into the post * Besides of user-facing features moderation features are vital, too, e.g. moving / renaming / deleting of threads and posts as well as features for blocking and removing SPAM.

Sorry in advance if any of these are available, but the UI does not seem to indicate the availability of such features.

Best Regards, Patrick