Hi! I've made some graphics for web pages with inkscape, but I find hard to export certain areas. For example, I have a Box, a rounded corener one, that should be exported in three vertical slices, the middle one, will be repeated as a background latter. The point is I make a rectagle surrounding the area I want to export, then, I lower transparency to 0%, so the box won't be exported, but the drawing inside its area (this box has no stroke). Then when I want to select this "ghost" box, it's gone! If I select an area that contains the box, there it is, but, no simle way to select just _that_ box. Any suggestion? I think that maybe the search box may help, but I don't undesrtand how it works. Thanks in advance. Nahuel
Put all the ghost boxes in their own layer. This makes it easier to select only one box (assuming you're in their layer).
Also, instead of making all the boxes themselves invisible, you can use the layers opacity control to quickly make them all (in)visible.
Hope this helps.
Cheers -Terry
--- Nahuel Defossé <nahueldefosse@...1286...> wrote:
Hi! I've made some graphics for web pages with inkscape, but I find hard to export certain areas. For example, I have a Box, a rounded corener one, that should be exported in three vertical slices, the middle one, will be repeated as a background latter. The point is I make a rectagle surrounding the area I want to export, then, I lower transparency to 0%, so the box won't be exported, but the drawing inside its area (this box has no stroke). Then when I want to select this "ghost" box, it's gone! If I select an area that contains the box, there it is, but, no simle way to select just _that_ box. Any suggestion? I think that maybe the search box may help, but I don't undesrtand how it works. Thanks in advance. Nahuel
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Also, it helps making the boxes not completely transparent in the "development"-phase . Give them a realy ugly color, -on that you would never seriously use-, and put the transparancy to 10%, 20%. As long as your testing and playing around getting all the boxes in the right DIV's, this makes your work easier. Only when everything is just about perfect, apart from the ugly color ofcourse, you create a series of well-coloured ones...
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Put all the ghost boxes in their own layer. This makes it easier to select only one box (assuming you're in their layer).
Also, instead of making all the boxes themselves invisible, you can use the layers opacity control to quickly make them all (in)visible.
Hope this helps.
Cheers -Terry
--- Nahuel Defossé <nahueldefosse@...1286...> wrote:
Hi! I've made some graphics for web pages with inkscape, but I find hard to export certain areas. For example, I have a Box, a rounded corener one, that should be exported in three vertical slices, the middle one, will be repeated as a background latter. The point is I make a rectagle surrounding the area I want to export, then, I lower transparency to 0%, so the box won't be exported, but the drawing inside its area (this box has no stroke). Then when I want to select this "ghost" box, it's gone! If I select an area that contains the box, there it is, but, no simle way to select just _that_ box. Any suggestion? I think that maybe the search box may help, but I don't undesrtand how it works. Thanks in advance. Nahuel
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On Thursday 16 August 2007 03:36:22 Maarten van der Velde wrote:
Also, it helps making the boxes not completely transparent in the "development"-phase . Give them a realy ugly color, -on that you would never seriously use-, and put the transparancy to 10%, 20%. As long as your testing and playing around getting all the boxes in the right DIV's, this makes your work easier. Only when everything is just about perfect, apart from the ugly color ofcourse, you create a series of well-coloured ones...
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Put all the ghost boxes in their own layer. This makes it easier to select only one box (assuming you're in their layer).
Also, instead of making all the boxes themselves invisible, you can use the layers opacity control to quickly make them all (in)visible.
Hope this helps.
Cheers -Terry
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Hi! I've made some graphics for web pages with inkscape, but I find hard to export certain areas. For example, I have a Box, a rounded corener one, that should be exported in three vertical slices, the middle one, will be repeated as a background latter. The point is I make a rectagle surrounding the area I want to export, then, I lower transparency to 0%, so the box won't be exported, but the drawing inside its area (this box has no stroke). Then when I want to select this "ghost" box, it's gone! If I select an area that contains the box, there it is, but, no simle way to select just _that_ box. Any suggestion? I think that maybe the search box may help, but I don't undesrtand how it works. Thanks in advance. Nahuel
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That would be a good solution, but if you have to change anything later, it's a bit complicated. The layer thing may be the more flexible way, but, I have never used Inkscape layers since there's no key shorcut to go up and down layers :( I came out with this solution: make the transparent boxes, and give them significant ID's like "login_upper", "login_middle", "login_bottom", (poping up the appropiate box with Ctrl+Shift+O) and so on (atually, I write the names down in same clean space on the document), After every ghost box has been set, using Ctrl+F, I look up every ghost box, and export it. Inkscape will remember every name file name associated with a selection, so I can make changes with almost no pain.
Thank for you responses.
Nahuel
On 8/16/07, Nahuel Defossé <nahueldefosse@...1286...> wrote:
I came out with this solution: make the transparent boxes, and give them significant ID's like "login_upper", "login_middle", "login_bottom", (poping up the appropiate box with Ctrl+Shift+O) and so on (atually, I write the names down in same clean space on the document), After every ghost box has been set, using Ctrl+F, I look up every ghost box, and export it. Inkscape will remember every name file name associated with a selection, so I can make changes with almost no pain.
Much easier is to place the slice boxes into a layer, switch to that layer, and use Tab to cycle through them.
This is a very recurring discussion. Can't we turn it into a "feature-request"? What I mean is, [PROPOSAL] can't we (*) make Inkscape threat certain box-objects in a special manner? For example, all boxes in a particular layer or with a particalur id or with a partical color (**), will always be displayed with a dotted border an a slight transparent red filling, regardless of the real color settings. And I can imagine a python script somewhere somehow iterating over all these boxes and export them as slices [/PROPOSAL]
(*) Well, "we" would actually mean somebody out there other then me... As I can't program anything but AS2.0 (**) either user-set or "factory-default"
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Oops, now I come to think of it myself, just a Python script itterating over all objects with a "Slice_bla_bla"-id would already do the job. The script would: -Search for such a box -Take it's x,y, w, h settings -Turn the box off -use the x,y,w,h properties to export it as a slice with the name "Slice_bla_bla.png" -Search again, till everything 's settled
In this way, no adaptions to the main program are needed...
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Maybe it could be useful to allow any type of object as a guide and then allow Inkscape to export the area inside a guide. You can even make a template with the appropiate guides for common designs, draw above them and then export what you need. Just an idea.
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Oops, now I come to think of it myself, just a Python script itterating over all objects with a "Slice_bla_bla"-id would already do the job. The script would: -Search for such a box -Take it's x,y, w, h settings -Turn the box off -use the x,y,w,h properties to export it as a slice with the name "Slice_bla_bla.png" -Search again, till everything 's settled
In this way, no adaptions to the main program are needed...
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On 8/17/07, Facundo Casco <fcasco@...155...> wrote:
Maybe it could be useful to allow any type of object as a guide and then allow Inkscape to export the area inside a guide.
This is already perfectly possible. Select any object, make it transparent and export selection. What are you proposing to change?
But if the object were guides you could see them on the screen with some color/format of choice and they won't appear on exported or printed works. You could also select them all at once, snap only to them and treat them more like what they really are, not part of the drawing itself but a guide. I know you could do most of this with layers and outline mode right now but it could help new users to achieve what they want easier. If this is more than a simple change to the code I think it could benefit some, however if it needs a lot of work to make it happen I'm not so sure it's worth it.
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On 8/17/07, Facundo Casco <fcasco@...155...> wrote:
Maybe it could be useful to allow any type of object as a guide and then allow Inkscape to export the area inside a guide.
This is already perfectly possible. Select any object, make it transparent and export selection. What are you proposing to change?
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On 8/17/07, Facundo Casco <fcasco@...155...> wrote:
But if the object were guides you could see them on the screen with some color/format of choice
Is this worth all the trouble of adding a new object type and making changes in a lot of places to treat it differently?
and they won't appear on exported or printed works.
Neither will transparent boxes.
You could also select them all at once
You can do this with transparent boxes in their own layer, just ctrl+a.
, snap only to them
You can snap to regular objects now.
If this is more than a simple change to the code I think it could benefit some, however if it needs a lot of work to make it happen I'm not so sure it's worth it.
I'm afraid it's indeed a lot of work.
bulia byak wrote:
and they won't appear on exported or printed works.
Neither will transparent boxes.
Transparent boxes cannot be seen by the user. Transparent boxes cannot be selected with a click to the area. There is small but significant effort required to make boxes perfectly aligned and abutted. I do not have a clear picture of a better solution in my head. And I cannot deny that any solution will require a large effort. But I think something so simple, central to graphics work and so often requested may in fact require some special attention. IMHO boxes are a (very useful) work around, but not a solution. Let's discuss how to create the ultimate solution for this problem, listing needs, possibilities, pros and cons on the wiki and perhaps with a clear plan it will interest a new developer sometime in the future.
Aaron Spike
On 8/17/07, Aaron Spike <aaron@...476...> wrote:
Transparent boxes cannot be seen by the user.
They can when you need them. Just select it and it's perfectly visualized.
Transparent boxes cannot be selected with a click to the area.
Yes, but this is just one of the dozens of selection methods available in Inkscape. Most other methods work fine.
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On 8/17/07, Aaron Spike <aaron@...476...> wrote:
Transparent boxes cannot be seen by the user.
They can when you need them. Just select it and it's perfectly visualized.
It would be more convenient and require less mental effort for the user if they could see them. It helps to be able to see all of the boxes, not just the selected box, while creating new boxes. It also helps to see the boxes so you know which to click to select. You will tell me that there is a simple solution. I can select all the boxes and give them color while I am working with them. But again this is only a work around. And it require effort from a user to do something that we should provide a real solution for.
Transparent boxes cannot be selected with a click to the area.
Yes, but this is just one of the dozens of selection methods available in Inkscape. Most other methods work fine.
Could you please list the "dozens" of selection methods? I know we provide quite a number, perhaps even 12 but I think you may be exaggerating. Now, of all of the selection methods that Inkscape provides, what would you say is the simplest, most obvious method for selecting a single object. I argue that it is the single click of the selector tool.
As I said before, I agree that boxes are a work around. But I will not agree that they are a solution. They do not make the job convenient, only possible. This topic has already been debated a few times. There are always two sides. One side argues that boxes are a solution. The other side pleads for Inkscape to directly address the problem and walks away unhappy because we fail to admit that the problem exists. Let's not do it that way again. I'm not asking you or anyone else to code up a solution. I'm asking you to admit that there is an unsolved problem and discuss solutions that would address the problem directly. I'm confident that if you add your positive input to the ideas that our users have suggested, we can develop a plan for something great.
Aaron Spike
On 8/17/07, Aaron Spike <aaron@...476...> wrote:
It would be more convenient and require less mental effort for the user if they could see them. It helps to be able to see all of the boxes, not just the selected box, while creating new boxes.
You can. Just select all and then draw with Rect tool. It will even snap to the existing rects. (It will unselect all but the new one once you finish it, though.)
there is a simple solution. I can select all the boxes and give them color while I am working with them. But again this is only a work around.
Everything can be called workaround for something else. For example, if we implement your "magic slices" and I want to change their color, I will most likely have to go and search for that in prefs. Which, for me, is a poor workaround for just selecting the boxes I need and clicking on the color palette.
And it require effort from a user to do something that we should provide a real solution for.
No solution is "real". One may be better than another but it does not make it more "real" in any sense. A specialized solution may be more convenient, but it may also be more clumsy and getting-in-the-way of those who don't need it.
See, a new specialized feature is worth it if it offers something which is _in principle_ impossible or very hard to do with existing tools. And even if it has some added value, that feature better be very isolated and orthogonal to everything else. Otherwise, if it's instrusive, it must provide some really basic and important facility in order to be considered.
The slicing facility is important for many people, check. But doing it via "magic slices" is very intrusive and non-orthogonal because it involves a whole new kind of objects and/or controls that all tools will need to be aware of - no check. And it also does not offer much added value compared to the naive approach, except some conveniences that may be just as well incorporated into existing tools/templates/dialogs - also no check. That's why it does not pass my filter.
Yes, but this is just one of the dozens of selection methods available in Inkscape. Most other methods work fine.
Could you please list the "dozens" of selection methods? I know we provide quite a number, perhaps even 12 but I think you may be exaggerating.
OK, granted, "dozens" was an exaggeration :) But you can get 12 if you count all the keyboard modifiers in selector :)
Now, of all of the selection methods that Inkscape provides, what would you say is the simplest, most obvious method for selecting a single object. I argue that it is the single click of the selector tool.
Yes, but you forget another proposed method that you can use if you don't like transparent rects: make them blue, but place them in a semitransparent layer. Then when you need to export it, just set its transparency to 0. Minimum clicks to get what you need, and you can still click to select the slices. What's wrong with this?
Difficult to set up? Just provide a template with that semitransparent "slices" layer already present. Difficult to discover? Write and popularize a tutorial. Cannot batch export the slices? Yes you can, in SVN this is added right to the Export dialog (the "export selected objects separately" checkbox). I can even easily add another checkbox there: export all within the object's bbox but not the object itself - and then you will not need to make the boxes transparent, because they will be hidden in the export anyway. Or, we can eventually support per-layer Outline view (this was already requested by other people for other purposes), which, if enabled for the export layer, will solve all of your problems at once: rects will be always visible and clickable even if transparent. And we can even enable per-layer outline color to differentiate them visually. Need more intuitive manipulation of the slices? Excellent suggestion, just implement the rect-specific commands for "subdivide horizontally", "subdivide vertically", and "rectangle union" on the Rect toolbar, and fix the KnotHolder so it can edit more than one selected rect (e.g. by dragging the touching sides of two adjacent rects) - and editing the slices will be a breeze, not to mention all the other benefits you get from these improvements.
See? Every convenience you can think of is easily possible with the simple approach, just by extending the capabilities of existing tools. And the big advantage is that these extensions may be useful in various other situations too. Whereas, if you create a specialized tool just for slicing, it will be useless for anything but slicing.
bulia byak wrote:
Yes, but you forget another proposed method that you can use if you don't like transparent rects: make them blue, but place them in a semitransparent layer. Then when you need to export it, just set its transparency to 0. Minimum clicks to get what you need, and you can still click to select the slices. What's wrong with this?
It becomes a problem in tweaking. Export, evaluate result, change opacity, tweak, change opacity, export...
Difficult to set up? Just provide a template with that semitransparent "slices" layer already present. Difficult to discover? Write and popularize a tutorial. Cannot batch export the slices? Yes you can, in SVN this is added right to the Export dialog (the "export selected objects separately" checkbox). I can even easily add another checkbox there: export all within the object's bbox but not the object itself - and then you will not need to make the boxes transparent, because they will be hidden in the export anyway. Or, we can eventually support per-layer Outline view (this was already requested by other people for other purposes), which, if enabled for the export layer, will solve all of your problems at once: rects will be always visible and clickable even if transparent. And we can even enable per-layer outline color to differentiate them visually. Need more intuitive manipulation of the slices? Excellent suggestion, just implement the rect-specific commands for "subdivide horizontally", "subdivide vertically", and "rectangle union" on the Rect toolbar, and fix the KnotHolder so it can edit more than one selected rect (e.g. by dragging the touching sides of two adjacent rects) - and editing the slices will be a breeze, not to mention all the other benefits you get from these improvements.
See? Every convenience you can think of is easily possible with the simple approach, just by extending the capabilities of existing tools. And the big advantage is that these extensions may be useful in various other situations too. Whereas, if you create a specialized tool just for slicing, it will be useless for anything but slicing.
Thank you for not saying that what we have is good enough. Thank you for providing ideas that address the problems.
Aaron Spike
It must be partly bbecause of discussions like these that Inskape has become such a great program!
I'd love to comment a bit on it as well. (1) Completely disregarding programming effort and such, I would _advocate_ a dedicated slice-functionality with such a name, because that's what a user will be looking for. "huh! I need slices from this drawing in my website... Hey! A slice command!" (2) Would it for a start not be a straightfprward work-around/UI-test to just write a Python filter iterating through a series of objects with "slice_" in their id (the user can enter these id's himself, can't she?) and exporting all these objects to PNG automatically? It would require NO adjustments in the existing infrastructure at all... If I could write Pyhton, I would have made it now... It's only putting existing functionality automatically to use... Bill Gates might almost have called it a "macro"...
PSEUDOCODE:
for (all objects in the file) { if ("slice" is a part of the object-id){ remember old fill- and gradient-settings make object transparent export the object give the objects its old fill and gradient back } }
Well, I know it might sound a bit naieve, but I guess you get the picture anyhow...
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On 8/19/07, Maarten van der Velde <Maarten.van-der-Velde@...2171...> wrote:
(2) Would it for a start not be a straightfprward work-around/UI-test to just write a Python filter iterating through a series of objects with "slice_" in their id (the user can enter these id's himself, can't she?) and exporting all these objects to PNG automatically?
Much easier is to select all slices and batch-export them from Export dialog. The SVN version has the "export selected objects separately" checkbox.
Could you please list the "dozens" of selection methods? I know we provide quite a number, perhaps even 12 but I think you may be exaggerating.
OK, granted, "dozens" was an exaggeration :) But you can get 12 if you count all the keyboard modifiers in selector :)
Last time I wanted select objects by their color. Is it possible somehow?
( Actually I wanted to move to different layers. Im playing with blender's svg renderer: http://shell.studenti.unina.it/~ospite/vrm/ )
Last time I wanted select objects by their color. Is it possible somehow?
( Actually I wanted to move to different layers. Im playing with blender's svg renderer: http://shell.studenti.unina.it/~ospite/vrm/ )
If somebody want to play with, here is the .svg file: http://khiraly.googlepages.com/e-9.svg
The main problem is: there are 1937 object. I want to union all the blue objects for example (or I want to move to a new layer). Simply there are to many objects for the normal selection methods.
Can somebody help me in this? I want to create some technical illustration like this one: http://i17.tinypic.com/6810e51.png or this: http://reprap.org/pub/Main/AssemblingDarwinMachinery/14.JPG
For a simple cube I can achieve the desired effect (I can manually union all the triangles, and its not to much time. But for a more complex object, its a noway)
Thx, Khiraly
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The main problem is: there are 1937 object. I want to union all the blue objects for example (or I want to move to a new layer). Simply there are to many objects for the normal selection methods.
I'd be a piece of cake with an external program written around an XML library.
--D.
On 8/24/07, Khiraly <khiraly123@...961...> wrote:
If somebody want to play with, here is the .svg file: http://khiraly.googlepages.com/e-9.svg
The main problem is: there are 1937 object. I want to union all the blue objects for example (or I want to move to a new layer). Simply there are to many objects for the normal selection methods.
That's what Find is for. Search for Style: fill:#0000FF (you can always look up the exact color by selecting one object and mouseovering the selected style indicator).
Can somebody help me in this? I want to create some technical illustration like this one: http://i17.tinypic.com/6810e51.png or this: http://reprap.org/pub/Main/AssemblingDarwinMachinery/14.JPG
So why do you need many adjacent same-colored objects for these? They should be simple to draw, especially using the new 3D box tool. In your e-9 file, it looks like it was some sort of mesh created in another program and exported to SVG as a scattering of small fragments. If you draw it in Inkscape it would be just 2 blue objects.
Also, if you want to globally replace one color with another, use the new Replace color extension effect.
2007. 08. 24, péntek keltezéssel 12.09-kor bulia byak ezt írta:
On 8/24/07, Khiraly <khiraly123@...961...> wrote:
If somebody want to play with, here is the .svg file: http://khiraly.googlepages.com/e-9.svg
The main problem is: there are 1937 object. I want to union all the blue objects for example (or I want to move to a new layer). Simply there are to many objects for the normal selection methods.
That's what Find is for. Search for Style: fill:#0000FF (you can always look up the exact color by selecting one object and mouseovering the selected style indicator).
Its really helpful, you saved my day!
Just a little concern. The exported .svg define the color with upper case like this: style="fill:#6A0000; stroke:#6A0000;
If I edit it in inkscape (ungroup for example) inkscape define the color lower case, like this: #6a0000
So if I type the style in the fill dialog it is CASE SENSITIVE, so 6A0000 does not match for 6a0000 and vice versa. But its the SAME color.
I think its a small bug in here. Running 0.45.1. Is this bug present in the recent version too?
Can somebody help me in this? I want to create some technical illustration like this one: http://i17.tinypic.com/6810e51.png or this: http://reprap.org/pub/Main/AssemblingDarwinMachinery/14.JPG
So why do you need many adjacent same-colored objects for these? They should be simple to draw, especially using the new 3D box tool. In your e-9 file, it looks like it was some sort of mesh created in another program and exported to SVG as a scattering of small fragments. If you draw it in Inkscape it would be just 2 blue objects.
You just figured out what Im looking for. The object was created in another 3D tool, and exported to .stl. Here is the file: http://khiraly.googlepages.com/poly-holder.stl
I imported to blender and exported via the VRM script: http://shell.studenti.unina.it/~ospite/vrm/
I discovered that if I color the faces of the object, it preserves, and I can work more easily in inkscape (thx again bulia!)
Also, if you want to globally replace one color with another, use the new Replace color extension effect.
The purpose of coloring its just identify the parts of the object.
Best regards, Khiraly
Hi!
Just finished the object in a couple of minute! The final .svg is just 11kB, not 317kB. Its simpler and clean. Im not so far from the final result.
See: http://khiraly.googlepages.com/e-11.svg http://khiraly.googlepages.com/e-11.png
Thx very much for the help bulia!
Khiraly
On 8/24/07, Khiraly <khiraly123@...961...> wrote:
So if I type the style in the fill dialog it is CASE SENSITIVE, so 6A0000 does not match for 6a0000 and vice versa. But its the SAME color.
Yes. If anyone volunteers to add a "case sensitive" checkbox to this dialog it would be great.
On 8/17/07, Maarten van der Velde <Maarten.van-der-Velde@...2171...> wrote:
This is a very recurring discussion. Can't we turn it into a "feature-request"? What I mean is, [PROPOSAL] can't we (*) make Inkscape threat certain box-objects in a special manner? For example, all boxes in a particular layer or with a particalur id or with a partical color (**), will always be displayed with a dotted border an a slight transparent red filling, regardless of the real color settings.
I don't think it's a good idea. Treating some objects in a special way should always be avoided unless absolutely necessary. So far nobody has convinced me that just a bunch of transparent rects in their own layer is not sufficient. When in that layer, you can Ctrl+A to view the overall configuration of slices (each one showing as a dotted selection box), then tab through them to select the one you need.
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Aaron Spike -
bulia byak -
Dan H -
Facundo Casco -
Khiraly -
Maarten van der Velde -
Nahuel Defossé -
Terry Brown