i am running inkscape on windows 7 64bit. no problems.... but iam not sure if its *officially* supported.
tobias
Am 24.01.2010 08:42, schrieb Jerome Gunderson:
Does Inkscape support Windows 7 ? Jerome
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Inkscape is implemented on a very wide collection of platforms -- as it is open source, anyone can download the source and compile it for their own system. A number of people with the skills to do this have prepared compiled versions and made them available. Occasionally, there are some features and/or plugins that require libraries that are not available on all platforms, but the Inkscape open source community almost always moves in to provide substitute code to make them work.
Like Linux, Inkscape has a large community of highly technical users - the good news is they volunteer thousands of hours to improve the program - the bad news is they don't always play well with others who lack their technical backgrounds and skills. In both camps, that situation is improving as volunteers provide more and better documentation and forums like this one become more active.
Jack
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Tobias Schulz <PropperDX@...961...> wrote:
i am running inkscape on windows 7 64bit. no problems.... but iam not sure if its *officially* supported.
tobias
Am 24.01.2010 08:42, schrieb Jerome Gunderson:
Does Inkscape support Windows 7 ?
Jerome
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I do not support Windows or any other proprietary software or system. But that does not mean that my code wont work on these systems or even boycott them. In fact, it works exactly the opposite way: my code often runs well on Windows even if I do not care. And if it breaks something, people come and fix it.
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Jack Armstrong <jackcarmstrong@...155...> wrote:
Inkscape is implemented on a very wide collection of platforms -- as it is open source, anyone can download the source and compile it for their own system. A number of people with the skills to do this have prepared compiled versions and made them available. Occasionally, there are some features and/or plugins that require libraries that are not available on all platforms, but the Inkscape open source community almost always moves in to provide substitute code to make them work.
Like Linux, Inkscape has a large community of highly technical users - the good news is they volunteer thousands of hours to improve the program - the bad news is they don't always play well with others who lack their technical backgrounds and skills. In both camps, that situation is improving as volunteers provide more and better documentation and forums like this one become more active.
Jack
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Tobias Schulz <PropperDX@...961...> wrote:
i am running inkscape on windows 7 64bit. no problems.... but iam not sure if its *officially* supported.
tobias
Am 24.01.2010 08:42, schrieb Jerome Gunderson:
Does Inkscape support Windows 7 ?
Jerome
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On 24/01/2010, Jack Armstrong <jackcarmstrong@...155...> wrote:
Inkscape is implemented on a very wide collection of platforms -- as it is open source, anyone can download the source and compile it for their own system. A number of people with the skills to do this have prepared compiled versions and made them available. Occasionally, there are some features and/or plugins that require libraries that are not available on all platforms, but the Inkscape open source community almost always moves in to provide substitute code to make them work.
Like Linux, Inkscape has a large community of highly technical users - the good news is they volunteer thousands of hours to improve the program - the bad news is they don't always play well with others who lack their technical backgrounds and skills.
Do you have any actual examples of this that as I think we do pretty well at not being 2 camps that dont communicate. The dont play well bit may be true for a lot of linux projects, but we make quite a concerted effort to make it not true for inkscape.
In both camps, that situation is improving as volunteers provide more and better documentation and forums like this one become more active.
Jack
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Tobias Schulz <PropperDX@...961...> wrote:
i am running inkscape on windows 7 64bit. no problems.... but iam not sure if its *officially* supported.
tobias
Am 24.01.2010 08:42, schrieb Jerome Gunderson:
Does Inkscape support Windows 7 ?
Jerome
I use Inkscape to create vector files that ultimately are converted for use with computerized paper cutting machines - these are either converted vinyl cutters or special purpose machines designed for use by home hobbyists to make scrapbook pages, cards, etc. The users are amateur crafts people, not professional artisans nor skilled computer users. Unfortunately, the software they must use to drive their cutters is almost universally Microsoft based. Not to generalize, but most of these users are women, and most are barely comfortable turning a PC on and using it for email.
I participate in several forums for these hobbyists, frequently answering questions about how to use PCs in general. I've recommended Inkscape, but many of them find the learning curve too steep, preferring proprietary software that comes with their machines - very limited in what it can do, but stone simple to operate. Photoshop is a stretch for these people, and things like Illustrator totally beyond what they want to learn (or pay for). I've also recommended Linux distros like Ubuntu, but this is a different audience - if it doesn't turn on and work by itself, they look elsewhere. Like all too many PC users, if their machine gives them any problems, they dump it and buy a new one - with the latest Microsoft disaster. Apple loses out on this market except for those capable of using Boot Camp to run their cutter software - plus their added cost.
I'm a retired computer scientist with 40+ years of experience with dozens of vendors and operating systems. I run multiple machines and like this one, often implement dual-boot Linux/XP (XP is where I draw the line - no VIsta or sons of Vista). Like many, there are a few MS-only applications I need to run, but the primary reason I bother to maintain anything Microslop is to test web sites I develop as a sideline - I develop with Firefox, but have to somehow make them render more or less the same on Internet Exploder. I've given up kludging to make IE6 work, but there are still too many users world wide who think Internet browsing means using the thing that came with their latest PC purchase. As a side note, this means not being able to use svg images on my web sites, since IE chokes on them.
Back to Inkscape - I'd love to see a scaled down version that implements a short list of features sufficient to create line designs (color is immaterial here - cutters only cut, not paint), save files in svg, and perhaps with an optional plugin to allow output to craft cutters. Some of these machines use HPGL, but too many require some variation thereof and would have to be customized for a particular machine. Not a huge audience, and one that would require some initial hand-holding, but once introduced to Inkscape in a gentle way, I predict they would be enthusiastic supporters and want to grow into using more advanced capabilities. I know there has been some interest here in an HPGL output option, but there needs to be a means of specifying additional information - i.e., cutting speed, knife pressure, etc. that are generally unique to the cutter being used. I do correspond with some advanced users who use Inkscape like I do, but they tend to be skilled artists in another life and very skilled in the use of computers in general.
Sorry if I offended any of the Inkscape or Linux community, but I've long held the belief that machines need to accommodate to the user's, not the other way around. Assuming a basic knowledge of Unix skills and vocabulary in order to use a device makes support a lot easier, but severely restricts the user base. Much as I hate Microsoft, if you're willing to pay for the excess hardware and willing to eat anything they but on your plate - they * do* make it easy for machine-phobic users to make simplistic use of their PCs. So does Apple, but it costs more.
</soapbox mode>
Jack
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:19 PM, john cliff <john.cliff@...155...> wrote:
On 24/01/2010, Jack Armstrong <jackcarmstrong@...155...> wrote:
Inkscape is implemented on a very wide collection of platforms -- as it
is
open source, anyone can download the source and compile it for their own system. A number of people with the skills to do this have prepared
compiled
versions and made them available. Occasionally, there are some features and/or plugins that require libraries that are not available on all platforms, but the Inkscape open source community almost always moves in
to
provide substitute code to make them work.
Like Linux, Inkscape has a large community of highly technical users -
the
good news is they volunteer thousands of hours to improve the program -
the
bad news is they don't always play well with others who lack their
technical
backgrounds and skills.
Do you have any actual examples of this that as I think we do pretty well at not being 2 camps that dont communicate. The dont play well bit may be true for a lot of linux projects, but we make quite a concerted effort to make it not true for inkscape.
In both camps, that situation is improving as volunteers provide more and better documentation and forums like this one become more active.
Jack
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Tobias Schulz <PropperDX@...961...>
wrote:
i am running inkscape on windows 7 64bit. no problems.... but iam not sure if its *officially* supported.
tobias
Am 24.01.2010 08:42, schrieb Jerome Gunderson:
Does Inkscape support Windows 7 ?
Jerome
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On Sunday 24 January 2010 03:37:35 pm Jack Armstrong wrote:
I use Inkscape to create vector files that ultimately are converted for use with computerized paper cutting machines - these are either converted vinyl cutters or special purpose machines designed for use by home hobbyists to make scrapbook pages, cards, etc. The users are amateur crafts people, not professional artisans nor skilled computer users. Unfortunately, the software they must use to drive their cutters is almost universally Microsoft based. Not to generalize, but most of these users are women, and most are barely comfortable turning a PC on and using it for email.
We would like the cutter and scrap booking communities to not have to use proprietary software as well. But like you said most of the people in those communities are not skilled computer users. There in lies the rub most non- technical user think the technical user don't care or want about their input.
I participate in several forums for these hobbyists, frequently answering questions about how to use PCs in general. I've recommended Inkscape, but many of them find the learning curve too steep, preferring proprietary software that comes with their machines - very limited in what it can do, but stone simple to operate. Photoshop is a stretch for these people, and things like Illustrator totally beyond what they want to learn (or pay for). I've also recommended Linux distros like Ubuntu, but this is a different audience - if it doesn't turn on and work by itself, they look elsewhere. Like all too many PC users, if their machine gives them any problems, they dump it and buy a new one - with the latest Microsoft disaster. Apple loses out on this market except for those capable of using Boot Camp to run their cutter software - plus their added cost.
What exactly are they having troubles with? Is it have to learn too much at one time. If so the easy solution is to make a tutorial that clearly state these are the only tools and functions you have to know. All the other stuff is extra and can be fun to play with if thing have time, but totally not needed.
A second thing that will help more in the long run is to help us build a user profile that helps us account for this type of user when making design decisions.
Back to Inkscape - I'd love to see a scaled down version that implements a short list of features sufficient to create line designs (color is immaterial here - cutters only cut, not paint), save files in svg, and perhaps with an optional plugin to allow output to craft cutters. Some of these machines use HPGL, but too many require some variation thereof and would have to be customized for a particular machine. Not a huge audience, and one that would require some initial hand-holding, but once introduced to Inkscape in a gentle way, I predict they would be enthusiastic supporters and want to grow into using more advanced capabilities. I know there has been some interest here in an HPGL output option, but there needs to be a means of specifying additional information - i.e., cutting speed, knife pressure, etc. that are generally unique to the cutter being used. I do correspond with some advanced users who use Inkscape like I do, but they tend to be skilled artists in another life and very skilled in the use of computers in general.
This is clearly an area the Inkscape and the FOSS world in general needs help. We were starting to work with a couple of groups to help get this sorted, but the project fell apart. We really just waiting to find a motivated contributor who is interested in this. Since everyone works on the things that interest them. The good news is joining the team is easy. Two patches, translation updates, documentation additions get you commit rights to BZR.
Sorry if I offended any of the Inkscape or Linux community, but I've long held the belief that machines need to accommodate to the user's, not the other way around. Assuming a basic knowledge of Unix skills and vocabulary in order to use a device makes support a lot easier, but severely restricts the user base.
I'm not offended. I'm worried that there is someone in our community that has given you that impression. We are a warm and friendly community and if anyone is not treating you correctly, please let us know so it can be dealt with.
I'm probably very jaded for determining if Inkscape is requires *nix skills and vocabulary since I completely moved away from the windows world 6+ years ago. Please tell us exactly were we are making things overly complex or to unix-y this will help us improve our user experience.
If you have time please relay to us your experiences with the communities you work with this will help us build a better Inkscape.
Joshua L. Blocher verbalshadow
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Joshua L. Blocher <verbalshadow@...155...>wrote:
We would like the cutter and scrap booking communities to not have to use proprietary software as well. But like you said most of the people in those communities are not skilled computer users. There in lies the rub most non- technical user think the technical user don't care or want about their input.
Yes, some non-techies get that impression, but I think it comes about as a result of a response to a question that is couched in terminology they don't understand. Additionally, some people look at groups like this and see very technical questions being asked with very technical responses and they simply slink away without asking... Don't know what to do about that other than occasionally posting a request for any level of question and a promise to answer them all... On the forum there is a sub-group for cutters - note how many requests for cutter support have gone unanswered or simply written off as "not possible".
What exactly are they having troubles with? Is it have to learn too much at
one time. If so the easy solution is to make a tutorial that clearly state these are the only tools and functions you have to know. All the other stuff is extra and can be fun to play with if thing have time, but totally not needed.
There are a few tutorials for how to use Inkscape for these hobby users and they have helped somewhat, but as I stated before, many of these people are intimidated by the tool bars in Photoshop - Inkscape comes with too many features (at least too many turned on?) and they assume it's too complicated for them.
A second thing that will help more in the long run is to help us build a user profile that helps us account for this type of user when making design decisions.
OK... I started on a project to review the hobby cutter software out there and make a list of features: have to have; commonly available and nice to have; competition beater, etc. I got as far as a list of what file formats each would accept & output nad ran out of time. I'm still out of time, but this conversation has me interested again. No promises, but I just added it to my to do list.
This is clearly an area the Inkscape and the FOSS world in general needs
help. We were starting to work with a couple of groups to help get this sorted, but the project fell apart. We really just waiting to find a motivated contributor who is interested in this. Since everyone works on the things that interest them. The good news is joining the team is easy. Two patches, translation updates, documentation additions get you commit rights to BZR.
I'm motivated, but not sure I'm a contributor -- my programming skills other than those use to build web sites are pretty rusty, and I remember all too well how coding can consume you - I *am* trying to retire!
If you have time please relay to us your experiences with the communities you work with this will help us build a better Inkscape.
Excellent idea - unfortunately, one of the most active groups is dedicated to a specific cutter and their proprietary software so I'd have to lure them into helping very tactfully... that said, I think it would be possible -- I have a few friends there and in a couple of other groups. Where is the best place to make any findings or suggestions public?
Jack at HighSierraDesign dot com
Joshua L. Blocher verbalshadow
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On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Joshua L. Blocher wrote:
Back to Inkscape - I'd love to see a scaled down version that implements a short list of features sufficient to create line designs (color is immaterial here - cutters only cut, not paint), save files in svg, and perhaps with an optional plugin to allow output to craft cutters. Some of these machines use HPGL, but too many require some variation thereof and would have to be customized for a particular machine. Not a huge audience, and one that would require some initial hand-holding, but once introduced to Inkscape in a gentle way, I predict they would be enthusiastic supporters and want to grow into using more advanced capabilities. I know there has been some interest here in an HPGL output option, but there needs to be a means of specifying additional information - i.e., cutting speed, knife pressure, etc. that are generally unique to the cutter being used. I do correspond with some advanced users who use Inkscape like I do, but they tend to be skilled artists in another life and very skilled in the use of computers in general.
This is clearly an area the Inkscape and the FOSS world in general needs help. We were starting to work with a couple of groups to help get this sorted, but the project fell apart. We really just waiting to find a motivated contributor who is interested in this. Since everyone works on the things that interest them. The good news is joining the team is easy. Two patches, translation updates, documentation additions get you commit rights to BZR.
Well, I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that a groundswell of users in this area has made this something that will be gaining attention and at least some work to address this year.
First of all, here at linux.conf.au I had a chance to talk with a few guys from Ponoko ( http://www.ponoko.com ). They're very interested in promoting the use of open source to physically make things. As part of that, they too expressed a strong desire for a simplified UI that helps Inkscape support cutter users in getting up to speed more quickly. Given that they are a commercial company, we at least have a strong business reason for them to collect up good UI data for what will benefit people. Then we on our side can implement appropriate things more easily.
Additionally, much of the task-oriented adaptive UI work that I've started should enable just that sort of 'focused' interface that will benefit cutter artists. This also should cover home paper cutters, CNC routers, professional laser cutters, etc.
There was also a good contingent of makers here, with reprap's and other such goodness. Many are using Inkscape now to be able to craft files for driving things, and improving that workflow would benefit many people. So we have end users wanting things improved, commercial companies looking to help that happen, and talented individuals experienced in the making arena who can help make it happen.
There are other forthcoming developments that will be announced next month. The sort of thing that can really help promote the use of Inkscape and other open source projects in the realm of physically making things... so keep you eyes peeled.
Well, I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that a groundswell of users in this area has made this something that will be gaining attention and at least some work to address this year.
First of all, here at linux.conf.au I had a chance to talk with a few guys from Ponoko ( http://www.ponoko.com ). They're very interested in promoting the use of open source to physically make things.
I have been using Inkscape to draw artwork for my homebrew pinball machine project and I am also using it to cut acrylic parts for it. You can see photos, videos and blogposts in these links:
* http://www.flickr.com/photos/felipesanches * http://www.youtube.com/user/felipesanches * http://jucablues.blogspot.com/
I also know that Jeri Ellsworth uses Inkscape to design her pinball stuff:
* http://www.youtube.com/user/jeriellsworth * http://www.fatmanandcircuitgirl.com/live/
Actually, my homebrew pinball project is THE reason why I discovered some years ago the existance of Inkscape (because I was looking for a free software CAD and stumbled upon Inkscape, which is not a CAD tool but got me seduced) and ultimately became an Inkscape developer.
cheers, Felipe Sanches (a.k.a. JucaBlues)
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