node sculpting behavior
Hi Friends, When I first started using Inkscape, which was version 0.44, node sculpting had a different behavior than it has now. I want to ask if it would it be possible to provide the previous behavior, as an option, perhaps using key modifier, or option on the control bar? I'll try to describe, with attached screenshot (sculpt2.png). You can see that dragging the right end node, with Alt key results in the nodes wider apart in the middle, and closer together on the ends (no matter whether I dragged from the right or left side, the result is the same). I'm not sure exactly in which version this changed. But previously, dragging the same right end node would result in nodes wider apart, the closer they are to the node being dragged. Since I can't show an example, imagine it's the same right end node, and it would behave much like a rubberband...or elastic string -- stretched more near where the force is applied, and less on the other end. And so the nodes would be progressively closer together, the further they were away from the node being dragged. One thing I used to like to do, was find an end node of a spirogram. Select all nodes except the other end, then Alt + drag the first end, and it would unravel the spirogram from one end to the other. One of the first images I ever made with Inkscape is also attached, the unravelled spirogram. You just can't do that anymore, with Inkscape, afaik. To be honest, I loved that old behavior and used it a lot. I haven't found many uses for the current behavior. I guess it can make a good bell curve. But I think both behaviors are useful. Would it be possible to provide this optionally? If so, I'd like to make that a feature request. (Unless it already is??)
Thank you very much, brynn
Hi Brynn,
I've researched a little now - no guarantees for correctness, though ;)
It seems the current behaviour with the bell curve was the same when the feature was first released in Inkscape 0.44:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Release_notes/0.44#Node_sculpting
In 2006, there was a message by buliabyak on the mailing list, where it seems the linear behaviour you're asking about has been added as a hidden preference, that could be activated by editing the preferences file.
The current preferences.xml file still contains a setting for node sculpting mode (sculpting_profile).
In the current Inkscape version's code, I couldn't find any place where that setting would be used, though (but I might just not have found it).
Tentatively changing the number for the setting in the preferences file didn't change the behaviour, and the code for node sculpting doesn't appear to check for different settings, as far as I'm able to read it, so this (hidden) functionality might have been lost on the way...?
Maybe you had it activated by editing the preferences file in some version where it existed?
Kind regards, Maren
Am 08.12.2015 um 12:34 schrieb Brynn:
Hi Friends, When I first started using Inkscape, which was version 0.44, node sculpting had a different behavior than it has now. I want to ask if it would it be possible to provide the previous behavior, as an option, perhaps using key modifier, or option on the control bar? I'll try to describe, with attached screenshot (sculpt2.png). You can see that dragging the right end node, with Alt key results in the nodes wider apart in the middle, and closer together on the ends (no matter whether I dragged from the right or left side, the result is the same). I'm not sure exactly in which version this changed. But previously, dragging the same right end node would result in nodes wider apart, the closer they are to the node being dragged. Since I can't show an example, imagine it's the same right end node, and it would behave much like a rubberband...or elastic string -- stretched more near where the force is applied, and less on the other end. And so the nodes would be progressively closer together, the further they were away from the node being dragged. One thing I used to like to do, was find an end node of a spirogram. Select all nodes except the other end, then Alt + drag the first end, and it would unravel the spirogram from one end to the other. One of the first images I ever made with Inkscape is also attached, the unravelled spirogram. You just can't do that anymore, with Inkscape, afaik. To be honest, I loved that old behavior and used it a lot. I haven't found many uses for the current behavior. I guess it can make a good bell curve. But I think both behaviors are useful. Would it be possible to provide this optionally? If so, I'd like to make that a feature request. (Unless it already is??)
Thank you very much, brynn
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Hi Maren, Thanks for your research! Actually I might not have figured out node sculpting until I got 0.46. (I think I skipped 0.45) But the behavior did change! I can no longer unravel spirograms with it, for 1 example. Well, you could make bell-ish curves with it, back then, if you made the nodes smooth before you dragged. But stretching 1 end would move the nodes progressively further apart, the closer to the end that was dragged (and closer together towards the other end). It was linear in one direction. ("exponential"?) The way it is now, it goes in both directions. I don't know exactly when it changed? But I've never changed any preferences by editing the file. (I probably didn't even know how to find the preferences file, until 0.47.) Oh! Well the date on the original SVG file is October 2008. I don't suppose there's any easy-to-find dated record of releases? Maybe I could reinstall 0.46, if available? Where did those go, after SF?
Thanks again :-) brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3112...> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 12:27 PM To: inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] node sculpting behavior
Hi Brynn,
I've researched a little now - no guarantees for correctness, though ;)
It seems the current behaviour with the bell curve was the same when the feature was first released in Inkscape 0.44:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Release_notes/0.44#Node_sculpting
In 2006, there was a message by buliabyak on the mailing list, where it seems the linear behaviour you're asking about has been added as a hidden preference, that could be activated by editing the preferences file.
The current preferences.xml file still contains a setting for node sculpting mode (sculpting_profile).
In the current Inkscape version's code, I couldn't find any place where that setting would be used, though (but I might just not have found it).
Tentatively changing the number for the setting in the preferences file didn't change the behaviour, and the code for node sculpting doesn't appear to check for different settings, as far as I'm able to read it, so this (hidden) functionality might have been lost on the way...?
Maybe you had it activated by editing the preferences file in some version where it existed?
Kind regards, Maren
Am 08.12.2015 um 12:34 schrieb Brynn:
Hi Friends, When I first started using Inkscape, which was version 0.44, node sculpting had a different behavior than it has now. I want to ask if it would it be possible to provide the previous behavior, as an option, perhaps using key modifier, or option on the control bar? I'll try to describe, with attached screenshot (sculpt2.png). You can see that dragging the right end node, with Alt key results in the nodes wider apart in the middle, and closer together on the ends (no matter whether I dragged from the right or left side, the result is the same). I'm not sure exactly in which version this changed. But previously, dragging the same right end node would result in nodes wider apart, the closer they are to the node being dragged. Since I can't show an example, imagine it's the same right end node, and it would behave much like a rubberband...or elastic string -- stretched more near where the force is applied, and less on the other end. And so the nodes would be progressively closer together, the further they were away from the node being dragged. One thing I used to like to do, was find an end node of a spirogram. Select all nodes except the other end, then Alt + drag the first end, and it would unravel the spirogram from one end to the other. One of the first images I ever made with Inkscape is also attached, the unravelled spirogram. You just can't do that anymore, with Inkscape, afaik. To be honest, I loved that old behavior and used it a lot. I haven't found many uses for the current behavior. I guess it can make a good bell curve. But I think both behaviors are useful. Would it be possible to provide this optionally? If so, I'd like to make that a feature request. (Unless it already is??)
Thank you very much, brynn
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Inkscape files contain a version number. Open with a text editor, you'll find it close to the top of the document.
For the rest, I can't help :/
Regards, Maren
Am 10.12.2015 um 01:23 schrieb Brynn:
Hi Maren, Thanks for your research! Actually I might not have figured out node sculpting until I got 0.46. (I think I skipped 0.45) But the behavior did change! I can no longer unravel spirograms with it, for 1 example. Well, you could make bell-ish curves with it, back then, if you made the nodes smooth before you dragged. But stretching 1 end would move the nodes progressively further apart, the closer to the end that was dragged (and closer together towards the other end). It was linear in one direction. ("exponential"?) The way it is now, it goes in both directions. I don't know exactly when it changed? But I've never changed any preferences by editing the file. (I probably didn't even know how to find the preferences file, until 0.47.) Oh! Well the date on the original SVG file is October 2008. I don't suppose there's any easy-to-find dated record of releases? Maybe I could reinstall 0.46, if available? Where did those go, after SF?
Thanks again :-) brynn
From: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3112...> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 12:27 PM To: inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] node sculpting behavior
Hi Brynn,
I've researched a little now - no guarantees for correctness, though ;)
It seems the current behaviour with the bell curve was the same when the feature was first released in Inkscape 0.44:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Release_notes/0.44#Node_sculpting
In 2006, there was a message by buliabyak on the mailing list, where it seems the linear behaviour you're asking about has been added as a hidden preference, that could be activated by editing the preferences file.
The current preferences.xml file still contains a setting for node sculpting mode (sculpting_profile).
In the current Inkscape version's code, I couldn't find any place where that setting would be used, though (but I might just not have found it).
Tentatively changing the number for the setting in the preferences file didn't change the behaviour, and the code for node sculpting doesn't appear to check for different settings, as far as I'm able to read it, so this (hidden) functionality might have been lost on the way...?
Maybe you had it activated by editing the preferences file in some version where it existed?
Kind regards, Maren
Am 08.12.2015 um 12:34 schrieb Brynn:
Hi Friends, When I first started using Inkscape, which was version 0.44, node sculpting had a different behavior than it has now. I want to ask if it would it be possible to provide the previous behavior, as an option, perhaps using key modifier, or option on the control bar? I'll try to describe, with attached screenshot (sculpt2.png). You can see that dragging the right end node, with Alt key results in the nodes wider apart in the middle, and closer together on the ends (no matter whether I dragged from the right or left side, the result is the same). I'm not sure exactly in which version this changed. But previously, dragging the same right end node would result in nodes wider apart, the closer they are to the node being dragged. Since I can't show an example, imagine it's the same right end node, and it would behave much like a rubberband...or elastic string -- stretched more near where the force is applied, and less on the other end. And so the nodes would be progressively closer together, the further they were away from the node being dragged. One thing I used to like to do, was find an end node of a spirogram. Select all nodes except the other end, then Alt + drag the first end, and it would unravel the spirogram from one end to the other. One of the first images I ever made with Inkscape is also attached, the unravelled spirogram. You just can't do that anymore, with Inkscape, afaik. To be honest, I loved that old behavior and used it a lot. I haven't found many uses for the current behavior. I guess it can make a good bell curve. But I think both behaviors are useful. Would it be possible to provide this optionally? If so, I'd like to make that a feature request. (Unless it already is??)
Thank you very much, brynn
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It would be a very useful feature to be able to select curve, linear, constant, etc for the sculpt tool. For a nice implementation, check out Blender 3D's version - proportional editing: https://youtu.be/4owQb020kbk?t=1m56s
Their options are:
random constant linear sharp root sphere smooth
Obviously, having the icons as Blender does helps a lot to see what the effect of a mode will be. :)
My 2p.
-C
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3089...> wrote:
Hi Friends, When I first started using Inkscape, which was version 0.44, node sculpting had a different behavior than it has now. I want to ask if it would it be possible to provide the previous behavior, as an option, perhaps using key modifier, or option on the control bar? I'll try to describe, with attached screenshot (sculpt2.png). You can see that dragging the right end node, with Alt key results in the nodes wider apart in the middle, and closer together on the ends (no matter whether I dragged from the right or left side, the result is the same). I'm not sure exactly in which version this changed. But previously, dragging the same right end node would result in nodes wider apart, the closer they are to the node being dragged. Since I can't show an example, imagine it's the same right end node, and it would behave much like a rubberband...or elastic string -- stretched more near where the force is applied, and less on the other end. And so the nodes would be progressively closer together, the further they were away from the node being dragged. One thing I used to like to do, was find an end node of a spirogram. Select all nodes except the other end, then Alt + drag the first end, and it would unravel the spirogram from one end to the other. One of the first images I ever made with Inkscape is also attached, the unravelled spirogram. You just can't do that anymore, with Inkscape, afaik. To be honest, I loved that old behavior and used it a lot. I haven't found many uses for the current behavior. I guess it can make a good bell curve. But I think both behaviors are useful. Would it be possible to provide this optionally? If so, I'd like to make that a feature request. (Unless it already is??)
Thank you very much, brynn
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