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2019-12-08 22-00-23 PST Victor Westmann So after I move the bugs from inbox/issues to (for example) inkscape/inkscape I should relabel them? got it. Makes sense! (am I able to create labels in inskcape/inkscape project? :question: So bugs that are confirmed will move to the pertaining project. Got it. (we have the website, forum, application itself, lib2geom, and extensions, do we have this in a menu somewhere listed or should I search for them in gitlab) ? 2019-12-08 23-03-33 PST Victor Westmann Aboslutely. I am here to add. To help. I don't want to disturb you guys. I am really happy to be part of the project now in the backstage, assisting! 2019-12-07 23-17-51 PST Victor Westmann 35 years! 2019-12-09 15-41-37 PST Victor Westmann Just want to help the project move forward. That's all 2019-12-08 22-02-08 PST Victor Westmann (Be right back! 20-30mins) 2019-12-08 18-21-02 PST Victor Westmann :smile: 2019-12-09 15-33-31 PST Victor Westmann Interesting. 2019-12-07 23-19-34 PST Victor Westmann Sorry to flood your feed. I hope I have not done anything crazy or wrong. I am doing the best I can with the best possible spirit I can too! 2019-12-09 16-02-16 PST Victor Westmann nathan, sorry to bother you, but when I go to the item panel, at the right, and at the left, in the MOVE ISSUE button 2019-12-09 15-33-29 PST Victor Westmann do we have a milestone for 1.xx series then? 2019-12-07 23-18-09 PST Victor Westmann No. no one instructed me on what it is needed for me to do as a top priority. Would you like to give me some instructions? 2019-12-08 10-23-06 PST Victor Westmann If you guys are ok I can continue asking questions, clarifying tickets asking for more details and steps, and doing my best to label tickets in relevant colors and names so developers (and even other bug triagers) would be able to easily identify if it is a bug or a feature request 2019-12-08 23-26-22 PST Victor Westmann Thank you for the link. Will read it tomorrow. Have a good start of your week @nathanal 2019-12-09 15-49-53 PST Victor Westmann Haven't read the ticket yet. 2019-12-10 08-29-51 PST Victor Westmann Hopefully my work is being useful to all the team 2019-12-08 23-26-02 PST Victor Westmann I have been involved with inskcape since 2007. Mainly as an end user. And then I got interested in the mailing lists. I left because, in the beginning, it was a high volume of emails. After a while I realized I really enjoyed the program so I decided to get involved. Mainly I helped translate the pt_BR language. And Now I am trying to get more involved with the bugs... which I believe I will be able to help a lot more than the translations.... 2019-12-07 23-17-48 PST Victor Westmann in 1h it will be my birthday! Do you believe this!? :slight_smile: 2019-12-09 15-33-24 PST Victor Westmann Hey nathan 2019-12-09 15-41-17 PST Victor Westmann No worries. I will not touch this. 2019-12-08 22-01-58 PST Victor Westmann Feature requests normally I just tag them to make sure they are easily identified by developers and team members. It is hard to know how they decide to implement this. Maybe looking at the chat? Not sure. 2020-01-04 10-36-52 PST Victor Westmann HI my friend. How are you doing today? Happy new year! (While it is still new!!) I will for sure come back to help you with bug triage but will be able to only dedicate 1h per weekend after JAN 20 2020. I am moving houses right now and I have to return my apartment, super clean, tomorrow! So things are rushed in here! hehe We really need to make a strategy to be able to attract and onboard more volunteers for our project. I am not going away but I am just pausing my contributions for now. Patrick pointed a couple of things he noticed in my last Merge Requests so I need to also fix them to make sure they get merged before the 1.x release is out! Thank you for all your guidance. Really appreciate it. 2019-12-08 22-00-59 PST Victor Westmann For crashes I don't know how to replicate the issues. Normally I wait for another user to confirm before labelling the issues as bugs. 2019-12-09 15-41-26 PST Victor Westmann I don't people to get angry at me. 2019-12-08 10-17-53 PST Victor Westmann HI @nathanal I just woke up 30 mins ago. Sure. let's discuss things so I can understand how I can better help you and the team 2019-12-10 08-29-41 PST Victor Westmann Not a problem. I will stay in my current function then. I don't want to disturb anyone. 2019-12-07 23-17-23 PST Victor Westmann Hi @nathanal. How are you doing today? 2019-12-07 23-23-00 PST Victor Westmann Go on your event. We will talk more later. It was a pleasure serving you and the team! :smile: 2019-12-09 16-02-39 PST Victor Westmann I don't see the option inkscape/inkscape. :confused: 2019-12-08 18-20-55 PST Victor Westmann Thanks @nathanal . Appreciate your best wishes for me! And no worries. It was a pleasure assisting with the bug triage. I will do my best to take a look at the inbox/issues during the week but I believe I will be able to be more active on the weekends for sure. 2019-12-10 08-29-23 PST Victor Westmann Hi nathan. Thank you for your help I appreciate all your instructions and guidance. 2019-12-07 23-22-29 PST Victor Westmann I loved helping you and the team. I would like to continue next weekend. During weekdays is complicated but on the weekends I will have more time. 2019-12-08 21-11-36 PST Victor Westmann Hi @nathanal How should I move bugs from inbox to inkscape/inkscape or to inkscape/extensions ? Is there anything special I should do? 2019-12-07 23-18-39 PST Victor Westmann I thought I was only going to help by answering tickets, testing the issues described in them, and tagging them with relevant information. 2019-12-10 08-29-55 PST Victor Westmann have a great day! 2019-12-09 15-49-47 PST Victor Westmann Sure thing! Should I move it to inkscape/inkscape ? 2019-12-08 22-24-33 PST Victor Westmann I see. So most likely I will assist in **categorizing** and **labelling** items (`bugs` or `feature requests`) and when bugs are confirmed move them to the corresponding projects (website, inkscape, filters, extensions, lib2geom) 2019-12-10 07-58-40 PST Nathan Lee Geez, I was hoping you could help with this (since as I mentioned in team_vectors, I don't recall many issues being moved by non-developers). Anyway, this means you're already doing everything you can do to help out. From here, its just becoming familiar with Inkscape and the recent changes to it. Honestly, I've been rushing to get help with moving issues in preparation for the 1.0 launch. I personally spent much longer "triaging" in gitlab before gaining access. I can't remember how long, because it was ages ago, but it was probably closer to a month than a week! Which reminds me, I've basically ignored your reply from yesterday :cold_sweat: Thanks you for telling me about your experience with inkscape! That's a long time before returning to Inkscape! Hope to see you stay around this time :) 2019-12-09 15-34-03 PST Nathan Lee Please don't add any extra milestones. I assume the developers will add them as necessary. 2019-12-07 22-51-28 PST Nathan Lee Could you start moving relevant bugs to inkscape/inkscape or inkscape/extensions, particularly if they are recent regressions. Issues tend to get lost in the inbox (and inkscape/inkscape too I guess) otherwise. Not required of course, but if you're interested, this would be another top priority for triaging. Has anyone PMed you with details regarding this? 2019-12-07 23-20-16 PST Nathan Lee Alright, flooding my feed: no that's totally good, absolutely nothing bad :sweat_smile: 2019-12-08 05-34-05 PST Nathan Lee I'll prepare some information for you tomorrow, though you've already been doing a great job triaging. No rush for you to read it. 2019-12-08 05-32-56 PST Nathan Lee O 2019-12-10 01-01-13 PST Nathan Lee Sorry for wasting your time by pushing moving issues so much :frowning2: 2019-12-08 22-07-08 PST Nathan Lee moveissues.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/EwXQPM54y7xhdeT9Z/moveissues.png) 2019-12-08 05-32-55 PST Nathan Lee Apologies for the rush job. As per the meeting yesterday in team_vectors, its my job to welcome you to the bug reporter role (oh dear!). 2019-12-10 01-00-13 PST Nathan Lee Hey, I've talked to the a developer/maintainer and they think its better if to wait till you're more familiar with the gitlab/inkscape triaging workflow before you get access (I think it may give you more permissions than ideal). 2019-12-08 22-12-51 PST Nathan Lee For replicating crashes, if it crashes when you follow instructions, its replicated. There's a short set of instructions for collecting backtraces, but I don't want to stuff you with too much info. I just wanted to let you know to look for a backtrace before moving crash reports. 2020-01-04 06-04-00 PST Nathan Lee Thanks for the kind words in the issue re: MR https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/1462 I noticed that you mostly stopped triaging after our last conversation. I just want to affirm that you've helped out heaps and were doing great (and the decision was based on waiting till you were comfortable with the new roles). I've been a bit cautious about commenting because if you've got competing interests, or just aren't that interested in triaging, that is perfectly fine (certainly, your recent translations are appreciated). Also I had loads on my plate myself so I certainly understand :sweat: Oh, and hope you had a great New Years! 2019-12-08 22-02-41 PST Nathan Lee Labels are lost on moving, hence the need to relabel. I'd prefer if you're conservative with the labels, and stick to the ones available. Perhaps ask on bug_migration if you'd like to add a new one, and someone will complain if they don't like it :stuck_out_tongue: 2019-12-08 05-36-52 PST Nathan Lee Since not many people move issues (mainly its the developers and me), many issues that belong in inkscape/inkscape are getting lost in inbox. 2019-12-07 23-19-54 PST Nathan Lee Happy birthday! I was hoping you were offline honestly :laugh: I've got to head off now, I've been on and off inkscape today. I'll give you some quick info first but really in a rush! 2019-12-07 23-26-20 PST Nathan Lee One additional job you should be able to do now is moving confirmed bugs from https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox to a more suitable sub-project tracker (e.g https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape). The idea is that only confirmed bugs with reliable steps to reproduce end up in the sub-project trackers. Also you can assign labels now - we've not decided on final labeling yet (any help in that regard is welcome, too!), but you're welcome to use what's already there. 2019-12-08 14-04-38 PST Nathan Lee Thanks again for helping out (when we need it most too). And happy birthday :) 2019-12-07 23-02-47 PST Nathan Lee Aside from that, it probably doesn't need saying, but thanks for going through so many issues. I've been reading over them (they show up in https://gitlab.com/groups/inkscape/-/activity) and they've flooded my feed :sweat_smile: :laughing: The inbox might actually be tamed before 1.0 release! 2019-12-08 21-55-37 PST Nathan Lee Just relabel them after you move them. Its important to give them a priority label (if in inkscape/inkscape). The main thing is to move them when they are a) replicable, b) confirmed, and c) have all relevant info (i.e. OS/inkscape version) For crashes, this means a full backtrace should be obtained*. For feature requests, this means the team has decided to implement it, and the feature is mainly agreed upon. Most feature requests will stay in inbox. Also, be aware that inkscape/lib2geom, and other projects exist (i.e. inkscape/website). I haven't had to move any issues there yet. That's it :) *you can leave crash issues in inbox if you want, but backtraces are quite easy to generate. 2019-12-07 23-23-11 PST Nathan Lee For bugs that are comfirmed, and replicable, the next step is to move them to a suitable bug-tracker https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape or https://gitlab.com/inkscape/extensions . This is ideally a narrow trove for developers to find issues to work on, without going through incomplete issues. 2019-12-08 05-35-08 PST Nathan Lee It mainly concerns extra powers/roles you have with the Reporter status (i.e. moving issues I mentioned earlier) 2019-12-08 01-52-57 PST Nathan Lee :wave: I'm back. If you're still here, and available to discuss triaging, I have time to talk. Your timezone info on rocketchat says its 2AM for you though. 2019-12-09 16-07-03 PST Nathan Lee Odd, I'll investigate. Don't worry about it now. 2019-12-08 22-04-14 PST Nathan Lee https://gitlab.com/inkscape lists the projects you should move them to. inkscape, extensions and lib2geom are really the only ones you need. 2019-12-09 15-48-08 PST Nathan Lee No one will be angry at you :) Everyone makes mistakes, especially when no one told them about it before. For the most part, we can undo issues like this (e.g. we can delete extra labels). By the way, would you like to try moving an issue? https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/914 looks ready to move (perhaps mention a font that replicates the issue - not sans-serif or serif since these aren't actual fonts) 2019-12-07 23-24-56 PST Nathan Lee Right now, only the core developers (and me) have actually been moving issues (and I'm not moving them too fast), so issues have begun rotting a bit. Anyway, if you could move issues across too that would be great. I'm not sure about the timezones, but hope to see you again next week. If you're interested in moving the issues, I'd be glad to help you with any questions 2019-12-09 15-52-53 PST Nathan Lee Yes, that's the right place. Also I think you have read it :wink: I recall being very uncertain about when to move an issue when I started, so I thought I'd give you nudge. 2019-12-07 23-25-31 PST Nathan Lee ciao and enjoy your birthday :fireworks: 2020-01-05 06-25-02 PST Nathan Lee Great, how about you? Thanks for sharing, I was afraid I had scared you off from triaging and been too much of a put-down. Just wanted to re-affirm that your work is appreciated. Please take your time and don't feel obligated to triage. Re: strategy. Yes, we should :sweat: I hope the move is a positive one, quite the way to start the year! 2019-12-07 23-21-07 PST Nathan Lee Answering tickets: you've done a lot with this, and if you'd like to continue doing that, its totally fine (and a major help/top priority for triaging). 2019-12-08 22-27-35 PST Nathan Lee I think so. What you've been doing previously (collecting info from the users, testing, etc.) is great. If you feel comfortable doing so, categorizing and labelling would help tremendously too! 2019-12-08 14-03-17 PST Nathan Lee Yes, of course. As I hopefully mentioned earlier, unfortunately this will mean that some issues may get lost till someone gets to moving them (I'll try to catch the issues I can). 2019-12-08 22-14-18 PST Nathan Lee (its likely that a developer will move the issue themselves) 2019-12-08 23-12-15 PST Nathan Lee If you don't mind answering, haven't you been involved with inkscape before? I've got to go for an hour or so, but I noticed you asking about onboarding in bug_migration. I haven't written the material yet, but I thought you might be interested in the (early) draft. It doesn't contain much help to you, but it basically lists all the tasks that count as triaging (mostly copy-paste from the meeting in team_devel). https://gitlab.com/snippets/1920728 I don't expect you to do all these things (especially without any help) but I thought you might be interested in it. 2019-12-08 22-07-00 PST Nathan Lee If you're moving issues using the right hand pane, it should list the ones you are involved in: 2019-12-09 15-33-43 PST Nathan Lee Yes, 1.0, 1.1, and 0.92.x 2019-12-08 22-13-52 PST Nathan Lee For feature requests in the next month, unlikely to move any of them. I think maybe 1 or 2 feature requests have actually been moved to inbox ever., so nothing to worry about. 2019-12-07 23-26-19 PST Nathan Lee oh and here's what Patrick told me when he added me as a Reporter. I don't think I really answered your question otherwise :stuck_out_tongue: 2019-12-08 05-38-57 PST Nathan Lee Thus why I consider it high priority. However, if this isn't something you want to do, there's certainly no pressure.

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2020-02-10 16-04-29 PST Victor Westmann All is well when it ends well. If it is not well yet it is because it didn't end it yet. Thank you for being fair. Sometimes I feel I am the only person in this project that gets offended or that seems to be concerned to remind people that you can't put politeness and good manners aside just because you contribute to the project for X amount of years. But people seem to be receiving this more or less well I would say. So we are making progress. 2020-02-10 15-37-05 PST Victor Westmann HI René. Thank you for your comment in the survey earlier. If I did any comment that was aggressive or distasteful I would like to apologize. 2020-02-10 17-04-07 PST Victor Westmann Yeah. It makes sense. I have a part on this as well. I am trying to improve both my tolerance and my wording. Thank you for being light in the chat rooms. Helps things get solved quicker. I am looking to improve my communication for sure. 2020-02-10 15-41-47 PST René de Hesselle I wasn't sure if I could manage (or it'd be wise) to say something without escalating and without being a passive-agressive a*hole (damn that sounds like a pun at someone's expense but it is not meant that way), but I take offense with "who the heck cares why?" - the simple "I can't think of any use for this question" would have been sufficient. 2020-02-10 15-38-33 PST René de Hesselle You're welcome. 2020-02-10 16-15-36 PST René de Hesselle Not to drag this here too long, but I feel the need to say it (and at some point I'll need to say it publicly): I miss that people seem to have lost the skill to argue and exchange opinions and thoughts in a way without feeling the need to discredit the other one's. Or simply put: if I don't like your music, I can say "sorry, that's not for me, I really don't like it" instead of "piece of shit music, only idiots are listening to this, why are you?". 2020-02-10 16-09-57 PST René de Hesselle It is a difficult topic. And I consider written communication tricky if you don't know someone in person - usually every snarky comment leads to people getting into each other's hair. I will not exempt myself from this, but I'm trying to improve on that regard. 2020-02-10 15-44-48 PST René de Hesselle So, all is well. I hope I didn't piss off Brynn. She apologized, I acknowledged, let's hope that's the end of it. 2020-02-10 15-43-35 PST René de Hesselle People are allowed to be impulsive, have a bad day, lash out, etc. - but also sometimes we are allowed to not just swallow it.

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2019-12-13 12-23-41 PST Victor Westmann Qual é a sua dúvida? Como fazer designs em preto e branco? é isso? 2019-12-13 12-23-52 PST Victor Westmann Qual o seu sistema operacional? Qual a sua versão do Inkscape? 2019-12-13 12-23-31 PST Victor Westmann Oi William, tudo bem?

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2020-05-30 02-22-53 PDT Linda Heather- Noon Hi there, it's version 1.0 ... seems to want to shut down when I use bezier tool. Throws up image that no longer exists on my computer !

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2020-02-07 13-14-40 PST Martin Owens This sound be parked in inkscape as it's a regression. Thanks for testing. 2020-02-12 00-08-37 PST Martin Owens They may have been voted on my multiple people, or it may have looked like it wasn't reproduced when I checked. 2020-02-24 17-24-52 PST Martin Owens I'm imagining sinarios of things being broken in 0.48 and people re-opening bugs ;-) because we haven't back ported the fix :-P 2020-04-16 07-08-10 PDT Martin Owens Also it could just be me ;-) 2020-09-24 07-43-36 PDT Martin Owens I won't be able to tell you about what happens, but hopefully we can resolve the agressiveness. 2020-02-24 17-24-01 PST Martin Owens I think the right thing is a) request the fix be back-ported via chat, the if no response or no one can get to it right away b) create a new issue to pack-port the fix. 2020-01-24 05-28-47 PST Martin Owens That is not something I can answer 2020-04-30 13-19-12 PDT Martin Owens finite_exit_dock_headroom_wistful_zealous 2020-09-24 07-43-16 PDT Martin Owens OK I've kicked off a mediation ticket between Chris Rodgers, Grey, Myself and Bryce Harrington 2020-02-12 00-08-53 PST Martin Owens It's a bit discretionary. So there may be no reason. 2020-02-12 00-38-13 PST Martin Owens Software freedom isn't without sacrifice or generosity. As Mako would say. 2020-09-24 07-32-31 PDT Martin Owens I've deleted his comment, but I'm going to need to have words 2020-01-24 12-18-10 PST Martin Owens We actually had to do a specific recruitment drive for mac developers. 2020-10-06 04-21-23 PDT Martin Owens The actual bulk of the code looks good. It needs more spacing out and it's a bit cramped. But it's good stuff. 2020-09-24 07-37-12 PDT Martin Owens Thanks 2020-02-12 00-06-13 PST Martin Owens So it'll have to wait for the next list. 2020-01-24 12-18-31 PST Martin Owens 90% of our users are windows users, 90% of our developers are Linux developers ;-) 2020-01-24 05-26-46 PST Martin Owens It means just like flowRoot text in 0.92, text with shapes wouldn't be visible in firefox and other svg viewers 2020-02-12 00-13-52 PST Martin Owens I've basically quit my contracting (paid) work to get this Inkscape 1.0 release done. So it's super important to me that we prioritise (because I can't keep up this level of investment for very long) 2020-02-24 17-28-48 PST Martin Owens As soon as we branched, we created this process. (or lack of process). Part of the job I'm going to be doing is reviewing the bugs and commits to master not in 1.0.x 2020-02-24 17-24-23 PST Martin Owens But I'm not sure, as there isn't a process for backporting. 2020-02-12 00-13-07 PST Martin Owens Ah time. 2020-09-24 07-36-00 PDT Martin Owens Did you get it in an email? 2020-03-11 15-49-44 PDT Martin Owens I think you are right and any help with extensions is very useful. 2020-02-12 00-10-00 PST Martin Owens I mean take the one I'm currently looking at, 847, that's very likely not fixable. 2020-10-06 04-20-12 PDT Martin Owens I'm not as keen on staticmethods, when I see isgradient I have trouble with the variable name `x` (what is x?) If it's a style attribute check, this is likely something that should be inside style.py rather than the elements even though it needs the svg to do the check. 2020-01-24 12-18-57 PST Martin Owens We're asymmetric. It's a miricle Inkscape works on those platforms. 2020-10-06 04-22-26 PDT Martin Owens Would the xaml extensions be a candidate for pushing towards pypi instead? 2020-09-24 07-31-55 PDT Martin Owens @jhofinger Having a look now 2020-02-24 17-22-34 PST Martin Owens This is a hole in how we handle bugs and certainly depends on the people looking after the bug. 2020-10-06 04-28-42 PDT Martin Owens Good to know, this is going to be an interesting process of splitting things out onto pypi but having a list of things to include in Inkscape ;-) 2020-02-08 05-32-09 PST Martin Owens :thumbsup: 2020-10-06 04-28-49 PDT Martin Owens requirements.txt I see thee 2020-02-24 17-22-07 PST Martin Owens Yes, but I don't think we have a process for bugs in 1.0.x vs. master. 2020-04-15 14-10-12 PDT Martin Owens Just to moan about issue 2307 a little. Chris was bad mouthing Inkscape on ycombinator as well as being an utter jerk. Now I fear the issue will become a swamp of bitter nasty bastards trying to make general and unproductive complaints about Inkscape and pointing out how bad we are because we don't slave away at their issues specifically. 2020-09-24 07-35-49 PDT Martin Owens Ah I forgot to screenshot the comment before I deleted it. 2020-09-24 07-44-02 PDT Martin Owens :thumbsup: 2020-02-12 00-06-02 PST Martin Owens We can't fix EVERYTHING (otherwise inkscape will never be released) 2020-01-11 13-15-12 PST Martin Owens It could be, although whenever I've tried to use swatched they've never worked. But I just assumed that was because I was dumb. 2020-01-11 13-09-57 PST Martin Owens Thanks for brining this up. How many of these are regressions between 0.92 and 1.0 (if you know) I want to make a case for removing swatchs for 1.0, but regressions are harder to agrue because we'd be removing functionality we had in 0.92 2020-03-11 10-58-06 PDT Martin Owens I was hoping for an svg file in the report. 2020-01-24 05-32-37 PST Martin Owens You should add your thoughts to the public channel. 2020-10-06 04-22-13 PDT Martin Owens The other issue is one of modules. The xamllib will be a new module which at some point should be it's own pypi install depedency instead of something we ship with Inkscape 2020-02-12 00-05-48 PST Martin Owens No, there's just a limit to how many items I'm willing to put on the list. 2020-01-24 12-15-17 PST Martin Owens ede123 is (Patrick), there are a few others. Although non-linux platforms always need community management and encouragement. Developers usually end up installing Linux in the end. 2020-03-11 11-24-14 PDT Martin Owens ok, no problem 2020-02-07 13-17-52 PST Martin Owens Thanks! 2020-01-24 05-27-07 PST Martin Owens But editing in inkscape would be much better 2020-09-24 07-29-13 PDT jhofinger Hi, I believe we have a situation here. https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/-/issues/3701#note_418171636 Should I try to deal with this or would you consider this your job? 2020-09-24 07-36-32 PDT jhofinger Clipboard - September 24, 2020 4:36 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/Kw8hf8gFx3fosHLmB/Clipboard%20-%20Sep…) 2020-10-06 04-30-03 PDT jhofinger If everything is installed via pip, then it shouldn't be different than installing other python dependencies into the inkscape package, right? It probably simplifies it even, since the subpackages just define their own dependencies 2020-01-24 12-22-16 PST jhofinger Yeah, C++ development is just more comfortable on Linux, as far as I can see. I'll ask Patrick for some guidance 2020-10-06 04-16-13 PDT jhofinger I'm making good progress with the new XAML export (started over yesterday basically), but I could need a design review until it's too late to refactor everything again. So if you have time, I'd appreciate you having a look: https://gitlab.com/jhofinger/extensions/-/compare/master...new-xaml-export The code is working, it ignores transforms for now (that comes next), also it doesn't support gradients, filters and texts yet. But the overall design has converged by now. Unit tests will be basically the entire (applicable) SVG test suite The general idea is to mirror the class structure of Inkex in the *Parser classes, traversing the SVG. These create XAML-like objects (everything inheriting from XAMLObject), which manage their XML representation themselves. For the backwards conversion, I'll fill these via lxml.objectify, essentially the same way as the Inkex document structure is created, then traverse them and construct the SVG backwards. 2020-02-24 17-24-50 PST jhofinger Okay, maybe this should be discussed in one of the group chats. 2020-02-24 17-29-43 PST jhofinger That's a good idea. I will start a discussion on the process in the dev chat tomorrow. 2020-03-11 13-25-33 PDT jhofinger I don't want to steal this from you if you want to do it. It's just that I can take over tasks that I'm able to do, to free your resources so you can fix the important issues in the C++ code, so 1.0 can be released as soon as possible 😉 2020-10-06 04-27-36 PDT jhofinger There are a few SVG->XAML conversion programs already: Svg2XAML, SharpVectors, ab4d. The main benefits of Inkscape having its own is the following: - Easy to use from the place where people create their icons (most of the time on StackOverflow, Inkscape is recommended for converting) - *Editing* XAML files. None of the above libraries have a backwards conversion. By the way, since in XAML it's typical to store multiple designs in a single file, this library could benefit a lot from multipage editing :D 2020-03-11 10-57-36 PDT jhofinger Mwe for the extrude bug: draw circle - convert to path - duplicate - extrude 2020-04-15 23-10-27 PDT jhofinger Thanks for the warning. I'll keep it in mind when I deal with the issue the next time. 2020-01-24 05-28-18 PST jhofinger Okay. Why is there a fallback that doesn't work? 2020-10-11 06-28-20 PDT jhofinger (the change in _base.py is a hackfix for now, just to demonstrate the principle) 2020-02-12 00-12-55 PST jhofinger Yes that looks like a difficult one. But I think you're doing a great job! (Looking forward to helping more in the code, but I don't have the time atm) 2020-01-11 13-24-07 PST jhofinger So did I, until I saw all these issues - and if you also don't understand it, then it's probably just buggy 2020-10-06 04-21-20 PDT jhofinger Oh that... s is a string. It's copied from the interpolations rewrite 2020-02-08 04-08-12 PST jhofinger Reverting the changes to selcue has fixed the issue (y) Thanks! 2020-10-06 04-33-00 PDT jhofinger Thanks for having a look. 2020-10-06 04-34-14 PDT jhofinger [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/doctormo?msg=fW8dJq8ti6yRFZpMp) Also I want to add support for another FOSS project (Avalonia.ui) which is basically Microsoft WPF supercharged, and none of the libraries support that ;) () 2020-10-10 22-32-29 PDT jhofinger Would it be acceptable to add another dependency to inkex for proper css parsing? Such as tinycss 2020-01-24 05-28-46 PST jhofinger btw I solved the compiling problem. Stupid me looked in build/bin, not build/inkscape/bin 2020-01-24 05-33-37 PST jhofinger Ok will do 2020-01-11 13-12-01 PST jhofinger I can test that tomorrow, I have never used swatches before, but I guess it's a standard work flow for designer people (which I'm not). Will tell you. Interestingly there are very few issues on swatches on Launchpad, so probably a few regressions? 2020-02-12 00-07-54 PST jhofinger It was in my comment of the vectors list. You added 776 and 703 from the same line, but I'd say that 782 is far more important. I'm not asking to reopen the discussion. 2020-10-06 04-23-37 PDT jhofinger Definitely! It's absolutely something which people would use from out of Inkscape as well, maybe even as a standalone library. So as long as it can be still shipped with Inkscape, I'm open for it. 2020-09-24 07-43-54 PDT jhofinger I fully understand. Thanks for your quick action! 2020-09-24 07-32-57 PDT jhofinger Alright. He is always a bit flippant, but that's crossed a line for me 2020-02-24 16-23-55 PST jhofinger It's fixed in Master (well except the undo problem which Maren reported). I only reopened because the fix is not in 1.0.x, and I'd say pretty much everyone would agree that tutorials looking like this is a big no-no for 1.0. 2020-02-07 12-26-40 PST jhofinger Got some bad news, your fix for the bounding box trails introduced another regression :/ https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/1458#note_284511359 2020-02-12 00-36-55 PST jhofinger Wow, I already wondered how you have so much time 2020-02-12 00-09-11 PST jhofinger They both were only mentioned by me. 2020-01-11 13-03-20 PST jhofinger Hi Martin, yes, such a level of detail is not necessary there, I just wanted to write *how* broken the swatches tool is. I just added the issue numbers where available, most of them are already there. Do whatever you want with it; I would be fine with it if Inkscape ships without swatches. 2020-02-24 17-23-40 PST jhofinger Absolutely. Reopening was my way to state "we might have forgotten something there". 2020-03-11 11-23-51 PDT jhofinger But I also wanted to investigate that myself, maybe tomorrow 2020-02-12 00-46-36 PST jhofinger Absolutely. 2020-01-24 11-02-08 PST jhofinger Too bad if VS code doesn't work. Do you know anyone who is currently developing on windows? Especially debugging 2020-01-24 05-21-17 PST jhofinger Not sure if I understood that message. What kind of fallback is there at the moment, and what consequences woud its removal have? Does this mean to definitely make SVG2 text the default for 1.0? 2020-01-24 12-17-43 PST jhofinger Developers usually end up installing Linux in the end. That's out of the question for now, but I guess it's handy to have some devs at hand who can debug Windows- or mac specific issues 2020-10-06 04-27-53 PDT jhofinger So I'd definitely want to keep the functionality with vanilla Inkscape 2020-02-24 17-27-26 PST jhofinger This is something totally different. I wouldn't exactly call this process backporting even, since 1.0 isn't even out yet. There are very few bugfixes where there is a good reason not to have them in 1.0, if they are in 1.1.x at the moment. 2020-03-11 11-21-51 PDT jhofinger The first file of the „further investigation“ comment 2020-02-07 13-17-35 PST jhofinger Yeah will open one tomorrow 2020-02-12 00-02-50 PST jhofinger Hi, I just noticed that you missed https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues/782 in the Vector's blockers list! Was that on purpose? 2020-01-11 13-05-45 PST jhofinger (Sorry, didn't add the numbers immediately, I was in a train today and only had very slow internet) 2020-10-11 06-26-39 PDT jhofinger This would be a way to parse CSS in a relatively easy way without XPath at all. https://gitlab.com/jhofinger/extensions/-/compare/master...css-style-parsing It might be possible to call matcher.match directly on a BaseElement, if we add a few things (e.g. an id attribute), leaving the wrapper out. The wrapper is just there because the library is _designed_ for ElementTree, which has no notion of a parent element. 2020-09-24 07-42-04 PDT jhofinger Thank you :) 2020-03-11 11-09-24 PDT jhofinger There is one 2020-04-30 13-28-14 PDT jhofinger works like a charm, thanks!

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2019-07-17 13-24-30 PDT Martin Owens Hello 2019-07-17 13-24-36 PDT Martin Owens Finally. 2019-07-17 13-40-45 PDT Martin Owens But the website has a more generic moderation platform. It's used by the galleries and allows objects under moderation to be deleted. But it requires more than one vote. It used to take three votes, but we reduced it to two. 2019-07-17 13-55-54 PDT Martin Owens Brynn wishes to be able to do the same things in the same ways as she does on her php forum. I.e. delete users. But I can't have single moderators able to delete users, the website as a whole need to be protected. 2019-07-17 13-39-32 PDT Martin Owens That user can then not post or reply. 2019-07-17 14-03-51 PDT Martin Owens Well yes. I have no real issues with letting Brynn be an admin. But the request was to allow forum moderators, not just site moderators, have those powers. That's a big escalation. 2019-07-17 14-47-09 PDT Martin Owens Do you need me to add you as a moderator so you can see all the tools? 2019-07-17 15-20-17 PDT Martin Owens Check the admin interface and see if users is in there 2019-07-17 13-41-44 PDT Martin Owens Users themselves can be flagged for moderation by the generic system, on top of being moderated by the forum permissions system. 2019-07-17 13-39-09 PDT Martin Owens That's kind of right. The website has users, users have permissions. Some of these permissions are from group membership, while others are direct. Users can have a permission called banned from forum posting and banned from replying. Two permissions are added by a single moderator when they see spam. 2019-07-17 13-54-40 PDT Martin Owens With one flag it goes into the moderation queue. It's weighted so each moderator vote counts for 7 normal user votes. 14 points are required to act on a thing. 2019-07-17 15-20-01 PDT Martin Owens You should be good 2019-07-17 14-36-48 PDT Martin Owens Yes 2019-07-17 15-20-34 PDT Martin Owens I think the idea was that all board members would be super users. 2019-07-17 13-24-43 PDT Martin Owens 🦖 2019-07-17 14-31-19 PDT Martin Owens Part of the frustration on my side is that this is not the first time we've had a disagreement on security. There was an issue with linking to external images and other times where it's taken a lot of explaining. 2019-07-17 14-04-35 PDT Martin Owens And moderators can be anyone. I wanted us to be able to recruit new contributors for moderating without making it dangerous to have those powers. 2019-07-17 14-38-44 PDT Martin Owens It's an interesting one. Maybe I should try a document the moderation. 2019-07-17 14-43-21 PDT ScislaC Well, just so you're aware, I did offer to help with moderating the forums, but let's just say it came across that she didn't care for my offer to help. I should probably poke around and see how it feels before I suggest too many possible "fixes" for something I'm not personally very familiar with. 2019-07-17 14-32-13 PDT ScislaC Was the external images issue a separate issue from links in the gallery descriptions? 2019-07-17 14-36-48 PDT ScislaC Ahhh, I wasn't aware that there was frustration from your side, but I can definitely understand it. When it comes down to it, I trust your ability to assess our security needs. I know that in my trying to talk to her about things, it seems like it has taken numerous approaches to feel like she was actually understanding... and there are still other things I just feel she's not willing to try and see from a different perspective. 2019-07-17 13-23-19 PDT ScislaC now it shows you online... 2019-07-17 13-24-37 PDT ScislaC there we go! 2019-07-17 14-53-44 PDT ScislaC I'm honestly not sure, I have "Administration" as a menu option under my name when I log into the website... do you need to change anything or should I be good to go? 2019-07-17 13-48-55 PDT ScislaC Another side Q, when a mod flags a gallery item, what happens to it with one flag? 2019-07-17 14-12-27 PDT ScislaC Ok... so I guess the Q is if would Brynn receive it as a massive compliment if we explained that she can be a site admin because we trust her with that (knowing that realistically, she wouldn't abuse it). But people who are only forum mods can't be given that level of control for obvious reasons, including her rationale of assuming all new mods might be inexperienced n00bs. 2019-07-17 14-17-07 PDT ScislaC I will say, this is NOT an ideal solution in my mind... I don't believe we should normally make exceptions to people who complain loudly, but I do think making her life easier on this will probably make all of our lives a bit easier in the long run. 2019-07-17 13-27-00 PDT ScislaC inkscape.org is the platform and the forums are a feature/area/"group"... much like Facebook or Reddit, you can get banned from groups, but mods can't remove you from the platform, or is this a bad analogy? 2019-07-17 13-47-59 PDT ScislaC Ok, so where is Brynn's point of contention? It came across to me like she wants to be able to ban/delete users that are deemed as Spammers, not just from the forum section. Am I misunderstanding? 2019-07-17 14-37-48 PDT ScislaC While I appreciate everything that you do for the project, I do not envy your position :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: 2019-07-17 14-14-34 PDT ScislaC Her language with bryce and myself is sounding incredibly ... frustrated. I think we'd be at a loss to not have her continue in the role she has been doing for quite a while now (granted at a 3rd party site). 2019-07-17 13-25-02 PDT ScislaC Ok... so I just want to make sure my understanding is correct... 2019-07-17 14-02-06 PDT ScislaC So she is a site moderator (not just forum moderator) that thinks she should have site admin powers (even if her intentions are to be reserved in using them)? Realistically, we want those powers in as few hands as is reasonable, right? Basically, we need to protect against rogue actors. 2019-07-17 13-20-56 PDT ScislaC Hello? 2019-07-17 13-49-05 PDT ScislaC flag/vote

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2020-04-25 14-07-30 PDT Moini Hi Kirstie! The Vectors team is looking for some Inkscape contributor stories. If you're up to it, I'd like to invite you for our Contributors' interview at https://framaforms.org/inkscape-contributor-interview-1587833730

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2019-12-19 08-00-00 PST Martin Owens If you'd like to work on documentation or answering questions in the mean time, that would help the project. 2019-12-19 11-21-30 PST Martin Owens You're not being reprimanded. I think we realises now that there are different levels of ability and we gave too many tools, too complex and too much to everyone thinking it would sort of work out. While your good self is very keen, you've struggled with the tools in a way that suggests that we need to be more careful to have friendlier and easier to use moderation tools. For example, not being able to delete your own account. 2019-12-19 11-22-10 PST Martin Owens I'm not involved in the docs, you will need to go into the main chat channels and ask about for further guidence. 2019-12-19 11-19-36 PST Martin Owens Yes please and thanks for all your help. 2019-12-19 07-59-41 PST Martin Owens Hi there, sorry for the late reply, very busy this end. The website isn't fixed yet, so I've kept the moderation recruitment closed for now. 2019-12-19 11-13-31 PST Martin Owens Just generically docs for Inkscape 2019-12-19 19-09-41 PST Martin Owens No one is allowed to take away your power to modify the software, or share it. You are legally empowered by right to become maker, sharer, seller and owner. The only thing you can't do is force anyone else to work with you if you annoy them. In open source projects we consider personal reputation and relationships to be the critical value and building that relationship over time with others is what being a great contributor entails. 2019-12-18 07-37-49 PST Martin Owens Thanks for letting me know! 2019-12-19 11-28-07 PST Martin Owens Yes, there is nothing to demote you to anyway. ;-) there is "contributing" and "not-contributing" 2019-12-18 05-59-35 PST Sydno I will be using this account from now on. I would still like to be apart of the Inkscape Moderation team, as I have not left, but I have created a new account. Thank you for understanding. ~Sydno (Beta). Just call me Sydno for now on. :slight_smile: 2019-12-19 11-20-26 PST Sydno Also, how do you want me to help with the docs? In the chat? 2019-12-19 07-31-02 PST Sydno Hi, did you get my message? 2019-12-19 11-12-08 PST Sydno Ok sure no problem. 2019-12-19 11-23-51 PST Sydno Oh ok. So I haven't been demoted or anything, correct. You're just making changes for now, correct? 2019-12-18 06-04-31 PST Sydno I've informed Brynn of this change as well. 2019-12-19 11-13-03 PST Sydno Are you talking about the doc for Moderation I read before joining the team? 2019-12-18 05-56-42 PST Sydno Hello, it's Beta. I've created a new account because I accidentally locked myself out of the Inkscape Chat. Unfortunately I didn't save the backup codes for two factor authentication. Iv'e remembered to do so now, to prevent any future mistakes. 2019-12-19 17-52-52 PST Sydno Well, a user. 2019-12-19 11-19-39 PST Sydno Thanks for informing me. I thought I was being reprimanded. I'm glad everything is ok. I'd appreciate if you'd let me know when the moderation is opened again. I'd like to join again when given the opportunity. Thank you. 2019-12-19 11-14-56 PST Sydno Ah ok. No problem. I'll help out with that until the moderation is finished or until you're ready to have me join the team again. Does that work? 2019-12-18 10-56-10 PST Sydno No worries. I'd like to still be apart of the Inkscape Moderation team if that's ok?

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2020-06-03 15-03-50 PDT Martin Owens You need to ask questions in the #inkscape_user channel. 2020-06-03 10-19-31 PDT LUCY hello, I'm new to Inkscape was hoping you could answer this question for me please, when I import a photo on to inscape it comes up with a Red Cross how do I change that?

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