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2020-05-01 14-30-43 PDT Nathan Johansen (The compressed 7z is also a 404.) 2020-05-01 14-28-45 PDT Nathan Johansen Should I wait a minute? 2019-11-26 13-38-29 PST Nathan Johansen Just an FYI. =) 2020-05-01 14-28-37 PDT Nathan Johansen (Ditto for the .msi option.) 2020-05-01 14-31-19 PDT Nathan Johansen Of course, that is for the 32-bit ... 2020-05-01 14-17-14 PDT Nathan Johansen Yep, I can see that ... has an orange banner saying: "This release for this platform is in draft mode. It is not visible to the public yet." 2020-05-01 14-17-45 PDT Nathan Johansen Thank you! Let me give that a try on the ThinkPad. 2020-05-01 14-15-53 PDT Nathan Johansen In particular, which one would you recommend trying first? 2019-11-26 13-36-10 PST Nathan Johansen I had just made a guess that perhaps the code did not have the proper methods (upon application exit) to clear out any listeners for those shortcuts? 2020-05-01 14-27-56 PDT Nathan Johansen (The .exe option gives a 404 when loaded to: [ https://inkscape.org/release/inkscape-1.0/windows/32-bit/exe/dl/ ] at the moment ...) 2020-05-01 14-32-31 PDT Nathan Johansen The 64-bit has similar responses for all three presently. I'll be patient and try later. 2020-05-01 14-18-23 PDT Nathan Johansen Awww! 2020-05-01 14-15-33 PDT Nathan Johansen [ https://inkscape.org/release/1.0rc1/platforms/ ] 2019-11-26 10-49-22 PST Nathan Johansen When Inkscape exits, I always get a set of these Gtk-WARNING messages, they vary with respect to the particulars, but always include the following "letters" in place of where I've just put the double quotes with a single space: ```Gtk-WARNING **: mnemonic " " wasn't removed for widget "e, f, h, l, n, o, p, s, t, v"``` 2020-05-01 14-13-33 PDT Nathan Johansen What's the URL for your uploaded Windows build, if it's available yet? =) 2019-11-26 13-37-36 PST Nathan Johansen Or maybe they were defined in duplicate, or not at all ... I have no idea. Aside from those ten warnings, the only other type that I frequently see are are Gtk-CRITICAL like this: ```Gtk-CRITICAL **: 13:37:00.149: gtk_box_gadget_distribute: assertion 'size >= 0' failed in GdlSwitcher``` 2019-11-26 13-38-17 PST Nathan Johansen If both of those were eliminated, there wouldn't be much written to the terminal output that I can see. 2019-11-26 10-50-02 PST Nathan Johansen Where in the code or to what might those warnings refer and how can they be fixed? 2020-05-01 15-50-23 PDT Patrick From the gallery link I sent you should be able to download the files. 2020-05-01 14-18-17 PDT Patrick Haha, it was built on one, so it will feel at home ;-) 2020-05-01 14-16-12 PDT Patrick https://inkscape.org/release/1.0/windows/ (if you can see that) 2020-05-01 15-50-07 PDT Patrick It's possible you don't have the proper permission levels to the site (the release is in draft mode, so not visible for most users) 2020-05-01 14-16-29 PDT Patrick Otherwise https://inkscape.org/~Ede_123/galleries/inkscape-10/ 2019-11-26 10-57-00 PST Patrick "Mnemonics" refer to the shortcuts you can use to activate menu items (see underlined letters, possibly you have to press "Alt" first to see them). No idea what triggers those warnings, though.

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2019-06-07 10-24-12 PDT Nathan Johansen (I'm not following the conversation, I just noticed that particular exchange and appreciated your response as it is in the style of one who wants the best.) 2019-08-19 20-30-17 PDT Nathan Johansen Thank you for the inspiration to see true works of art, Moini! :hearts: 2019-06-07 10-57-38 PDT Nathan Johansen Take Heart. These things take time. :hearts: 2019-06-07 10-34-04 PDT Nathan Johansen _Merci!_ 2019-06-07 10-32-19 PDT Nathan Johansen True. However, it is easy to learn when paying attention. 2019-04-19 15-26-32 PDT Nathan Johansen So I just go with the flow anymore and try to focus on being understood. I even knew sign language once. 2019-06-07 10-22-03 PDT Nathan Johansen Intent. The ability to do good and achieve it should not frustrate one (or others) from succeeding. 2019-04-19 16-11-28 PDT Nathan Johansen Well, once we get this 1.0alpha version working, I think there will be a lot of fun things to contemplate next. 2019-04-19 13-37-52 PDT Nathan Johansen Aber natürlich. ;) 2019-11-23 14-23-27 PST Nathan Johansen :sunglasses: 2019-06-07 10-16-15 PDT Nathan Johansen :wink: 2019-04-19 14-10-56 PDT Nathan Johansen There's the telephone and a handful of friends. =) (Sorry, on the phone with a colleague in Colorado.) 2019-04-19 13-40-56 PDT Nathan Johansen Ich habe vergessen. =) 2019-04-19 15-25-11 PDT Nathan Johansen Yep. 2019-04-19 15-26-55 PDT Nathan Johansen Hahaha. 2019-04-19 15-25-43 PDT Nathan Johansen When I speak English, they think I'm German. 2019-04-19 13-45-58 PDT Nathan Johansen Thank goodness American's never try to speak English. =) 2019-04-19 14-42-53 PDT Nathan Johansen (The Germans always got upset with me for not using the informal Du, but always sticking with the Sie.) 2019-06-07 10-47-03 PDT Nathan Johansen That's the reason for being able to engage in vast forms of conversation by saying and doing little, in subtle fashion, yet still be understood. 2019-06-07 11-03-35 PDT Nathan Johansen Certainly. Beep twice and back up a step or so to pay attention. 2019-06-07 10-34-14 PDT Nathan Johansen Oops. 2019-06-07 10-32-47 PDT Nathan Johansen Then, should I be confused, I can ask. 2019-04-19 14-42-30 PDT Nathan Johansen Ich danke Ihnen. 2019-06-07 10-17-38 PDT Nathan Johansen https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/team_devel?msg=zfkBdgMEKWEtF24DM () 2019-04-19 13-49-58 PDT Nathan Johansen I have to remember to use simple words, smile a lot, and be patient. If I use more than a few syllables at a time, they get confused. 2019-04-19 13-45-14 PDT Nathan Johansen It confuses people over here too much when I get too many languages coming out of my mouth at once. 2019-04-19 13-40-44 PDT Nathan Johansen I think it's Danish. 2019-06-07 10-59-47 PDT Nathan Johansen "Yeah uh-huh, yep. What we do next will make what we do after that easy. Here we go! Try that?" 2019-06-07 11-02-13 PDT Nathan Johansen There are so many loose ends and incorrect notions apparent that it's a bit of effort to remedy. 2019-06-07 10-39-05 PDT Nathan Johansen I do my best in multiple languages daily, but it takes me a moment to shift properly in to the ... "Geist" of mind appropriate to the circumstance. Thank goodness people manage my scheduling so I can do that. 2019-04-19 13-47-41 PDT Nathan Johansen Spek 'Merican ... damnit! 2019-11-23 14-23-22 PST Nathan Johansen Do you know of or follow Laetitla Vitaud (@vitolae on Twitter)? I was just listening to this podcast and looking at her work (but that was mostly in French) but anyway: [ https://hbr.org/podcast/2019/11/technology-and-the-new-world-of-work ] 2019-04-19 13-47-00 PDT Nathan Johansen I was born in Wyoming/Colorado. Spent about two decades in Frankfurt (mostly because Lufthansa can get you almost anywhere quickly). 2019-04-19 14-40-26 PDT Nathan Johansen I can appreciate that - it's useful to have simple explanations and patience with beginners. 2019-04-19 14-43-18 PDT Nathan Johansen (Nat-Han! We are your friends. You can use "Du" with us, you know that, right!?) 2019-04-19 14-46-03 PDT Nathan Johansen I get to listen to people being informal enough of the time, so a language like German (or Japanese is another good one) that still retains a formal form of address is almost like a sanctuary. 2019-06-07 10-40-27 PDT Nathan Johansen Patience, I'm told, is a virtue. 2019-04-19 13-42-41 PDT Nathan Johansen The thought crossed my mind. But I'm swamped with work over here in America at the moment. 2019-06-07 10-35-21 PDT Nathan Johansen Ja, wirklich. 2019-06-07 10-44-53 PDT Nathan Johansen Yes, well ... there's also the consequence subsequent. When one has such, there is little further to add. 2019-04-19 14-44-01 PDT Nathan Johansen "Oh, yes." I'd say. "I just can't bring myself to conjugate the rest of the verbs to match ... and still enjoy the sound of it." 2019-04-19 14-33-54 PDT Nathan Johansen (But I get to do that in my free time now, anyway, so it's all good.) 2019-04-19 14-41-57 PDT Nathan Johansen And you're welcome to practice your German on me whenever you'd like. I could use the practice again. 2019-06-07 10-43-01 PDT Nathan Johansen (Secretly, I'm a fan of Japanese as it is more simple than the rest. Sanskrit isn't so sensible socially.) 2019-04-19 13-47-21 PDT Nathan Johansen They talk 'Merican, of course. 2019-04-19 14-44-37 PDT Nathan Johansen I eventually got that figured out though. With enough beer, many things become possible. 2019-04-19 16-11-33 PDT Nathan Johansen I have notions ... =) 2019-06-07 10-26-00 PDT Nathan Johansen Yep. I merely wanted to emphasize his gesture to your attention. I'll shut up and watch. ;) 2019-04-19 14-42-15 PDT Nathan Johansen Listening to the news isn't the same as having to respond. 2019-11-23 14-56-39 PST Nathan Johansen She made mention of the favorable benefits of open source software tools. 2019-04-19 15-26-09 PDT Nathan Johansen When I talk like an American, people feel I'm being condescending. 2019-06-07 11-01-31 PDT Nathan Johansen (I believe I indicated previously that - while in America - it takes extra effort for me to think correctly.) 2020-09-26 08-35-13 PDT Nathan Johansen With reference to the planting of bulbs - my mother got me hooked on occasionally watching this YouTube channel. Thought you might enjoy this one - in the first few minutes she uses balls of "soil" that have been turned into little seed starters. [ https://youtu.be/kgEgOi32CE0 ] 2019-04-19 14-31-23 PDT Nathan Johansen Thank you for creating my account - I just got that logged in and setup. =) 2019-08-19 20-30-27 PDT Nathan Johansen This belongs to you. 2019-06-07 10-46-08 PDT Nathan Johansen (But look! Still, we can.) 2019-04-19 15-26-51 PDT Nathan Johansen Thank goodness for telepathy ... 2019-04-19 15-25-51 PDT Nathan Johansen When I speak German, they think I'm English. 2019-04-19 13-43-31 PDT Nathan Johansen Maybe I'll ask at the office in Frankfurt and see if anyone wants to hop over there so I don't have to cross an ocean. 2019-06-07 11-02-38 PDT Nathan Johansen Of course, you just let the flow be. 2019-04-19 13-47-46 PDT Nathan Johansen ;) 2019-06-07 10-35-01 PDT Nathan Johansen Warum? 2019-06-07 10-40-06 PDT Nathan Johansen At the moment, I blink a lot and stare. 2019-04-19 13-29-45 PDT Nathan Johansen Nathan P. Johansen nathan(a)npj.com NPJ2000 2019-08-19 20-32-02 PDT Nathan Johansen path454.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/WwC28AA7jZ6rv9pyZ/path454.png) 2019-04-19 13-44-57 PDT Nathan Johansen I just haven't written in German in a while. I still watch Tagesschau on my AppleTV at 20:00 Uhr so I can keep up with Central Europe. =) 2019-04-19 14-33-32 PDT Nathan Johansen Went to college for Aerospace Engineering. Should have studied Quantum Computing. 2019-04-19 13-49-08 PDT Nathan Johansen I have no idea. People here don't tend to get out of their own back yard over the course of life. 2019-04-19 14-32-25 PDT Nathan Johansen I used to write technical documentation and manuals. 2019-04-19 13-47-33 PDT Nathan Johansen This is 'Merica. 2019-04-19 14-40-41 PDT Nathan Johansen Plus being able to quickly understand something complex and address it in a blink with a grin. 2019-04-19 15-25-27 PDT Nathan Johansen Whenever I try to speak Spanish anymore, people think I'm German. 2019-04-19 14-40-08 PDT Moini For newcomers, the basic parts should probably be. 2019-04-19 13-41-40 PDT Moini Denn wir haben ein Limit, wieviele Leute wir dort ins Büro von k8 mitbringen dürfen. 2019-04-19 13-41-12 PDT Moini Noch mal zum Hackfest (Du liest das vielleicht sogar grade): Komm gern vorbei! Wenn Du Unterstützung für die Reisekosten brauchst, müsstest Du beim Vorstand anklopfen. Wenn Du kommen möchtest, trag Dich bitte auf der Wiki-Seite ein. 2019-06-07 10-34-54 PDT Moini Ah. Just the bolding. And I thought you planned to use German :) 2019-06-07 10-24-34 PDT Moini But it was Chris who wrote that... 2019-06-07 10-49-07 PDT Moini I must admit that I can't follow. If you want to be understood, you'll need to elaborate for me. Your jumps are two wide. 2019-04-19 14-38-25 PDT Moini If you ever meet Bryce, you'll have something to talk about :) He's an aeronautics engineer, so you both share some interest in rocket science. 2019-06-07 10-49-13 PDT Moini too 2019-06-07 10-23-06 PDT Moini Mmmh. Yes, that's what's behind it, I assume... Just not sure why you're pinging me about it. 2019-06-07 10-39-45 PDT Moini Sounds like fun :) What other languages do you need to communicate in? 2019-06-07 11-02-01 PDT Moini You did - although, I think, there's no way to think correctly or not. 2019-04-19 14-44-32 PDT Moini Ich schätze, man kann sich an den Klang gewöhnen ;-) 2019-06-07 10-43-45 PDT Moini There's also the issue with finding someone to speak it with to think of. 2019-06-07 10-32-59 PDT Moini Any time. 2019-06-07 10-26-59 PDT Moini :) No need to shut up, though. 2019-06-07 10-34-26 PDT Moini Confusion already started :) 2019-04-19 14-31-51 PDT Moini You're welcome - I'm glad someone cares about documentation :) 2019-04-19 13-43-08 PDT Moini Ah, :) I guess you still prefer English? 2019-06-07 10-16-30 PDT Moini Mmh? 2019-04-19 13-52-27 PDT Moini I hope there are some that you can talk with, too - they can't all be like that, hopefully? 2019-04-19 15-08-46 PDT Moini Spanish, too, although I read they only use it with older people anymore. 2019-04-19 14-43-58 PDT Moini It's like putting up a small wall. 2019-06-07 10-19-37 PDT Moini Almost like the oath you take when you start out as a politician. Not sure what *you* mean, though? 2019-04-19 14-43-43 PDT Moini But when you're asked to, they'll feel rejected if you don't do it. 2019-04-19 15-07-58 PDT Moini English had this, too, long ago... we didn't do enough Shakespeare at school for me to remember, though... 2019-04-19 14-40-54 PDT Moini Definitely a plus :) 2019-04-19 13-38-31 PDT Moini Mit dem Namen könntest Du auch aus Schweden kommen :) 2019-04-19 13-45-50 PDT Moini lol, yes. What's your native language, then? 2019-04-19 13-46-30 PDT Moini What do they speak instead? 2019-04-19 15-45-09 PDT Moini If you ever want to join Inkscape's translators team you know where to find us ;-) - and yes, it makes sense to focus on getting your message across to whomever you're talking with. 2019-06-07 11-03-00 PDT Moini And others making an effort, and saying when it goes beyond what they can follow. 2019-06-07 10-34-19 PDT Moini haha :) 2019-06-07 10-37-11 PDT Moini Du meinst, warum ich dachte Du wolltest auf Deutsch schreiben? 2019-04-19 14-42-14 PDT Moini Gern doch :) 2019-04-19 13-47-50 PDT Moini Oh, of course... I need to brush up on my slang :) 2019-04-19 13-33-35 PDT Moini Password (temporary, please change as soon as you can: Yahquo4eij ) Ich kann wahrscheinlich auch Deutsch schreiben? 2019-04-19 13-44-26 PDT Moini Why not - if anyone is interested, they're welcome to say hello or help, of course :) 2019-04-19 13-48-07 PDT Moini So, Cosmopolitan would be a fitting description. 2019-06-07 10-35-11 PDT Moini Gute Frage :) 2019-06-07 11-02-26 PDT Moini It's more a matter of adjusting speech. 2019-04-19 14-43-11 PDT Moini Nothing bad about being polite. 2019-04-19 14-39-26 PDT Moini Skills with tech documentation are very welcome here - people complain all the time that the code isn't documented. 2019-04-19 14-42-40 PDT Moini Sag ruhig Du :) 2019-06-07 10-25-41 PDT Moini I don't mind being confused, though :)

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2020-07-27 09-33-51 PDT Robert Leifer In Inkscape 1.0 the font displays too big even the font points set to 4

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2019-11-21 08-26-12 PST Nathan Johansen Be playful. Be you. Excel at what you revel in. It's okay. You're welcome to be safe here. 2019-11-16 10-40-30 PST Nathan Johansen One of my philanthropic meetings yesterday was about reminding people on the short but messy history of computing and the recent Internet, with emphasis on arcane notions like RFC 5545 and RFC 7986 as still unrealized design principles which, if anyone ever succeeded at fully implementing them with compliance with UTF8 and ISO standards for character sets, could pretty much shut down (or shut up) huge swaths of "Internet Innovators" that have sprung up over the past few decades. 2019-11-21 08-17-32 PST Nathan Johansen Don't feel maligned by differences. Just be confident in your own courageous acts. =) 2019-11-21 09-34-48 PST Nathan Johansen (Just for clarity so as to allay guessing from the outset.) 2019-11-21 08-18-34 PST Nathan Johansen More eyes and attitudes and abilities bring greater resources than trivial uniformity. 2019-11-16 10-32-00 PST Nathan Johansen Hmm. Now I'm curious ... what WAS that first spreadsheet program .... I can't remember. 2019-11-21 08-25-38 PST Nathan Johansen With vigor. And skill. =) 2019-11-16 10-25-19 PST Nathan Johansen =) 2019-11-16 10-29-45 PST Nathan Johansen Sshhh. 2019-11-21 06-24-03 PST Nathan Johansen +001 (720) 273 2063 2019-11-21 06-58-05 PST Nathan Johansen Up here in Idaho, we're playing with the native Indians and to a limited extent, the Canadians ... the people from Mexico and southern American countries already being represented in the four-corners regions previously ... 2019-11-21 08-32-44 PST Nathan Johansen Kind of like being given the duty of keeping the kids busy before luncheon is served. 2019-11-21 09-34-22 PST Nathan Johansen Could you provide URLs or links to the interface where these points are to be found? 2019-11-16 10-28-19 PST Nathan Johansen Besides, it's helpful to keep certain things close at hand as reference when you may or may not have access to the digital ~nemesis~ memesis (for whatever reason) but DO have paper. 2019-11-21 08-31-34 PST Nathan Johansen Where should I be loading up pages in my web browser and what should I be looking at to "moderate" in accordance with being a good member of the community with a badge? 2019-11-21 06-51-19 PST Nathan Johansen (but I'm adverse to travel back and forth much at the moment.) 2019-11-21 06-56-28 PST Nathan Johansen For what it's worth, I've served in roles appointed by the state governor down to county commissioners and real land use from people on property granted from the late 1800's. 2019-11-21 08-19-09 PST Nathan Johansen The people who run this place understand this implicitly, even if they do not express it explicitly with tact or skill. 2019-11-21 08-19-24 PST Nathan Johansen (We know it when we see it and that's all good!) 2019-11-16 10-37-32 PST Nathan Johansen Although I don't tend to read books anymore. They just sit on shelves or are in storage. 2019-11-16 09-30-23 PST Nathan Johansen Here? 2019-11-16 10-35-24 PST Nathan Johansen I still have friends at NASA that use Fortran. We grew up with LISP and FORTH. 2019-11-16 10-31-26 PST Nathan Johansen But yea, been at this a minute. =) 2019-11-21 06-54-07 PST Nathan Johansen The danger in being good at something is forgetting what it took to get there and how to train/tell/express that to those who haven't followed along in class like you may have. 2019-11-21 08-32-13 PST Nathan Johansen And how often or with what frequency do I usually need to devote my attention there? 2019-11-16 10-29-39 PST Nathan Johansen (Also, it's a good reason to test other networking issues I've been fiddling with today ...) 2019-11-21 06-50-12 PST Nathan Johansen I have property there and was born in the state, but am presently in the Pacific time zone. 2019-11-21 08-33-06 PST Nathan Johansen And we're out of crayons or paper while the electricity is out but we have rain ... ;) 2019-11-21 09-36-26 PST Nathan Johansen (There seem to be "levels" and "zones" and areas spread all over the place where these interactions can and do take place with regularity.) 2019-11-16 10-28-29 PST Nathan Johansen memesis 2019-11-16 10-33-23 PST Nathan Johansen I left for college to study Aerospace Engineering in 1993. Grew up in a small town with a good education system. 2019-11-21 06-52-59 PST Nathan Johansen If you would like, I can make introductions at a future point. You might enjoy being a champion of the open source "Here's how we do this effectively ..." education that is sorely needed over there at the moment from those who scratch their heads too often. 2019-11-21 08-25-04 PST Nathan Johansen Removing uncertainty, so to speak. 2019-11-16 11-06-20 PST Nathan Johansen That's still a lot to keep in your mind. I'm really happy with how HTML and CSS have grown. 2019-11-16 10-31-18 PST Nathan Johansen I used to setup 8086 IBM AT / XT computers at the library in the early 80's for college students to learn WordPerfect and Basic and DOS and ... goodnesses, I forgot what we called spreadsheets before Microsoft decided to hijack that code ... 2019-11-21 06-56-46 PST Nathan Johansen Gives me a headache. =) 2019-11-21 08-16-50 PST Nathan Johansen First off, I see that you care. That tells me a lot. It takes heart to invest yourself in what you are passionate about or have an attraction to because ... like all such notions .. it is nurturing to your being and you want to not only promote that but preserve and share. 2019-11-16 10-37-02 PST Nathan Johansen Hahaha. Yes, I still have some of those that I use as bookmarks. 2019-11-16 10-25-15 PST Nathan Johansen Got it. Looking at the Moderators Area and reading the full version of the Rules and Guidelines. (I should have waited to print all these and put ONE staple in the whole set.) 2019-11-21 09-40-36 PST Nathan Johansen Thank you. 2019-11-16 10-27-29 PST Nathan Johansen I like paper and reading things in a way that I can take an inky pen to them along with throwing a date and my initials on certain sheets is just an old habit of diligence. =) 2019-11-16 10-34-40 PST Nathan Johansen I use the 2000 because I bought myself a platinum ring on my 25th birthday and had it engraved with my initials and the year. So that's been a simple "token" of identity ever since 2019-11-16 10-32-45 PST Nathan Johansen I still preferred a typewriter, because those were ... well, you could be precise with where the letters were placed on the paper if you WANTED ... 2019-11-21 09-35-40 PST Nathan Johansen I thought I had them but maybe I'm missing something? 2019-11-16 10-06-06 PST Nathan Johansen Yep, that knocked me off a while back, also. 2019-11-21 08-24-44 PST Nathan Johansen Beyond compromise there is constitution and fitness and sturdy reliability. 2019-11-16 10-43-18 PST Nathan Johansen Whenever I need to remind myself of just how much work there still is to do, I read that. 2019-11-21 06-51-01 PST Nathan Johansen That said, you might be an ideal resource for my colleagues who WANT me to be in Colorado so they can get more out of my activities ... 2019-11-21 06-40-00 PST brynn I live in CO. 2019-11-16 10-44-59 PST brynn Aah, well you kind of lost me there. PL1 was my one an only contact to programming. I've taught myself some simple html, and can run a simple website. I thought I might dip into javascript and higher levels of html/css. But it's starting to get harder to learn new things anymore. My poor old brain, I say a lot lately. 2019-11-16 10-22-38 PST brynn @NPJ2000 Ok, I have you approved as a moderator. Now you need to look in the menu under your name, in the upper right corner, and click on Moderation. At the top of that page is a link to Moderation Page Instructions. It tells you how to use that page. And there is a good deal of reading to do to learn how to moderate in the forum as well. This message gives a link to the full version of the Rules and Guidelines https://inkscape.org/forums/forum-news/forum-rules/ And then find the Moderation board, and there are 2 sticky topics there with instructions for using the forum moderation tools. Just let me know if you have any questions. 2019-11-16 10-01-38 PST brynn Sorry, I was locked out by Bad Gateway. Back now. 2019-11-21 06-39-05 PST brynn You live in CO, or you just have a phone number here? Are you asking me to call? Or just sharing? 2019-11-16 10-26-28 PST brynn Why do you print things out? Not a problem, just curious. 2019-11-21 08-21-00 PST brynn Thanks. Yes, I know they understand about differences. That's fine. 2019-11-16 10-34-25 PST brynn For my degree, I was required to take one computer programming class, because "computers are the future". It was PL1. 2019-11-21 09-26-15 PST brynn Hhmm... Maybe you can help me to write better instructions? It seems like they might not be clear enough. Typically, to start moderating, I visit the gallery, using the Last Uploaded viewing order (in the right column). That way, you see the newest images, as they are uploaded. One drawback is that whenever someone edits an image or resource (especially extensions are edited quite often) it shows back up as a new image. But it's a minor distraction. I hope someday we will switch to a system where images must be approved before they "go live". But for now, sometimes spam goes live for a while, before someone sees it. I look at each new image, since the last time I visited. If it needs to be flagged or curated, I do that. (I'm skipping over WHY images might be flagged or curated because I think it might be easier for you to just watch on the Moderation Page, to see why we flag images. It's on-the-job training!) That's partly why leaving notes about why you flag an image is so important. But I could go into detail, if you like. Then I move on to the Moderation Page, and check to make sure nothing has been wrongly handled by other moderators. (We currently have a problematic moderator, which is a long story, and I can explain all about that, if you decide to take on the leader role.) If a member needs to be contacted about something, I do that (photos, and images with unviewable formats). I keep a sort of form letter, that I just copy/paste into the website PM system, and change the details. (Some moderators prefer to use the image Comment system for moderating. But I think members are generally embarrassed when they are moderated, so I almost always do it privately.) And then I vote as needed. You can visit as often as you like. We appreciate however much time you can spare. Right now, I think Maren and I are the only ones who watch the gallery. 2 of the other moderators only work in the forum. And the other one mostly votes on the moderation page, but sometimes flags images too. I think he visits the forum too, but I don't think he understands everything. This is something that I would change, if I could dictate the policy. I would require that all moderators participate in all parts of moderation. Obviously there's a lot I would change. But this is the system we have to work with. Then I go to the forum and read all the new messages. I answer those I can answer, and handle various moderation issues as I go. Personally, I guess I'm online 3 to 5 days per week. I keep strange hours though. The chatrooms are not integrated into the rest of website moderation. So if you want to moderate in the chatroom, contact jabiertxof. I'm not totally confortable moderating in the chat, since I don't use it very often. It seems like I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, one day, haha. But if I happen to be around when needed, I'm glad to help. 2019-11-16 10-32-41 PST brynn Sounds like you might be about my same age. I graduated with BS in Forestry in 1980. 2019-11-21 09-41-31 PST brynn Anytime! 2019-11-21 08-28-40 PST brynn Thanks. I'm not sure exactly what info you asked about (in the other channel). So just ask whatever you want to know. 2019-11-16 10-31-26 PST brynn Well, I should say that all that stuff I wrote is not really very professional, or professionally written. Very ordinary, very factual. 2019-11-16 10-33-32 PST brynn omg, I hear that!! I still can't stop typing the double space at the end of sentences! 2019-11-16 10-36-41 PST brynn And it was the punch cards and the computer lab. No PCs y et. 2019-11-21 07-47-09 PST brynn @NPJ2000 I'm probably not a good representative for open source. Inkscape is my first experience in any kind of development community, and I'm still very much a student. Plus, Martin and I are more at odds over pushing the website to be 100% open source, to the exclusion of any proprieatary product. I might be more of a head-scratcher, like your collegues. From your comments, I can't quite infer what you or your collegues do. Something about land use or inheritance? I'll tell you a little about myself. I'm not entirely healthy. I first found Inkscape when I got my first PC....probably in the late 90's because it was Windows 95, shortly after my medical disability claim was awarded. I find creativity is a healing kind of energy. I'm not even much of an artist. I just enjoy playing with Inkscape. I got involved with the first forum to learn how to use Inkscape. And I stuck around as a way of giving back. That forum owner looked like was about to disappear, a couple of years later. I always thought it might be interesting to run a forum, so I started another forum, just in case that one failed. Also, there were things I wanted for the Inkscape community, which were non-existant at the time (a gallery, tutorials, and centralized resources). A year later, Martin started to develop the Inkscape website, and invited me to help. He started to develop most of the things that I thought were missing. I volunteered to moderate on the website, and later the new forum, because I assumed it would be like moderating on any other website. But it has turned out to be a system which I dislike and can't work with. Also, this community asks more than twice as much time as most websites ask of moderators. I'll be resigning from moderation at the end of this year. I think it will take Martin seeing firsthand what all he's asking of moderators, before he realizes how much work it is. He has virtually ignored every comment I've made on the amount of work being too much. I suspect he's never had any expereince with moderation before, based on what I see as naive ideas. Oh, I just saw your message in the Website channel. We can continue to chat, or PM or email. The project will need a new team leader for moderators. So if you're interested, I haven't heard of anyone else who is interested.@ 2019-11-16 10-29-42 PST brynn You must have a background with higher education? It's hard to image the social media crowd using the old sort of analog methods. 2019-11-21 08-24-21 PST brynn I know that the goal is compromise. But the moderation system is too far for me to compromise. I would do all the the work, and not complain, if I it was a system I could work with. 2019-11-21 09-39-42 PST brynn Oh sorry. For the gallery, I click on Community menu > Gallery, then switch to Last Updated (https://inkscape.org/gallery/?order=-edited) Then if you go to the little black tab in the top-right corner, with your name, and choose Moderation, that's the Moderation page (https://inkscape.org/moderation/) The forum is https://inkscape.org/forums/

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2019-09-20 21-25-35 PDT Nathan Johansen I'd like to create a more open market for this kind of work to provide people with solutions ... much of it is simple enough and can enable some income flow. 2019-09-20 20-34-14 PDT Nathan Johansen (Sadly, there is no NATO flag emoji, yet ...) 2019-09-20 20-22-15 PDT Nathan Johansen [ https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/inkscape_user?msg=Jx8ApDLyxiiuCJ9DQ ] () 2019-09-20 20-27-36 PDT Nathan Johansen If people cannot address postcards and envelopes, then let's craft a solution. ;) 2020-05-04 09-32-20 PDT Nathan Johansen Certainly, There are two, the first has a screen shot, the second does not: [ https://inkscape.org/forums/questions/cant-draw-circles/ ] [ https://inkscape.org/forums/questions/object-with-gradient-is-transparent/ ] 2019-09-20 21-31-18 PDT Nathan Johansen =) 2019-09-21 09-35-28 PDT Nathan Johansen Oh, did those not link to the specific sections? On the first: `codesign`, `productbuild`, and `xcrun altool`. On the second: `pkgbuild` and `productsign` steps. (Sorry, that was probably too vague to convey any message the first time...) ;) 2020-05-04 09-38-47 PDT Nathan Johansen Like if you're typing in a text box, and are making corrections after trying to place a special character that requires holding down an odd key combination, then backspacing ... 2019-06-17 00-39-30 PDT Nathan Johansen Also, despite there being notes on this in the team_devel_mac (if you search for: "iconv") we removed it from the notes on the website (Issue #84 and I think on another issue where it came up as a "fix") and as far as I know, we're keeping that under our hat so that others do not go around fiddling with creating circular symbolic links to "nothing" on their files system. ;) 2019-09-20 21-26-30 PDT Nathan Johansen Although I hesitate to get involved to any deliberate degree. People who do not have a clue can be a pain in the ass, and it often is not worth a nickel to try. ;) 2019-09-07 14-22-48 PDT Nathan Johansen Cisco does this with some of the deprecated hardware and software on certain systems. This ought to be no different in approach (in so far as we can recognize that hardware is fixed and software is mutable (but cardinal)). 2019-09-20 20-21-32 PDT Nathan Johansen I saw the "envelope" question ... 2019-09-20 20-44-09 PDT Nathan Johansen But there is one for the U.S. Mission to NATO ... =) 2019-09-20 21-30-25 PDT Nathan Johansen Providing a remedy to stupidity and lack of initiative is a daunting task in any realm of activity. 2020-05-04 09-39-16 PDT Nathan Johansen In that instant, they could inadvertently invoke the "Opacity" value and set it to null. 2020-05-04 09-25-03 PDT Nathan Johansen So maybe they just got their settings off and it needs to be restored, I'm thinking. 2020-05-04 09-14-21 PDT Nathan Johansen May I bother you for a moment? I just saw two new separate posts on the forums indicating the same behavior I mentioned several days ago regarding objects not appearing on canvas after they are drawn and given fill with outline. When you shift the Display Mode to "Outline" you can see the objects outline, but when you switch to any other mode (like "Normal"), it isn't visible (but you can still select it). I was just drawing a box or a circle to test this. Any ideas? 2019-09-07 14-17-36 PDT Nathan Johansen René and I (as well as many others) have proved that there are limits to backward compatibility - however we also have seen that by moving forward enough, we can bridge to the prior. Kind of an interesting: "Hey, everyone! We can preserve this and still be innovative!" example of consistent cooperation sends the right word for history. 2019-07-09 16-34-18 PDT Nathan Johansen What version of macOS was it that we were trying to get a target for ? 10.10 or 10.11 ? 2020-05-04 09-39-41 PDT Nathan Johansen Then notice that their text isn't changing, and deliberately return their cursor position and focus to the edit point. 2019-09-20 20-29-31 PDT Nathan Johansen Clipboard - September 20, 2019 8:29 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/WR9eR7wZCs92E9BSZ/Clipboard%20-%20Sep…) 2020-05-04 09-37-51 PDT Nathan Johansen I'm guessing that there is a keyboard shortcut to focus on the opacity box and it gets clobbered without them noticing, perhaps. Or they're intentionally changing it without noticing ... who knows. It may seem like a bug, but it's probably just sloppy technique and easy to set to zero without always being aware of that. 2020-05-04 09-24-13 PDT Nathan Johansen When I draw the first object, the opacity is set to 100, but when I release the mouse, the opacity goes to zero. It stays at zero until you change it back to 100, then stays there. 2019-09-20 20-43-44 PDT Nathan Johansen gNF1wLoY_400x400.jpg (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/LSw5vQrrW4iHgstdj/gNF1wLoY_400x400.jpg) 2019-06-16 23-28-47 PDT Nathan Johansen René and I have gone back and forth on how to avoid doing that, but for now, it works. 2019-09-21 09-45-14 PDT Nathan Johansen René has a different method that produces a signed DMG, it just is not easy to reproduce, IMHO. I had hoped to keep the macOS build process simple ... 2020-05-04 09-43-51 PDT Nathan Johansen I have no idea - I am an idiot and do that to myself on occasion, also - however I seldom play with the opacity, which makes me wonder how it's going to zero without my noticing. 2020-05-04 09-40-10 PDT Nathan Johansen I'll leave you alone - thanks for taking a moment to look. ;) 2019-09-20 21-31-16 PDT Nathan Johansen However, I am interested in causing good (or as René can appreciate: BON) in the World. 2019-09-07 14-13-47 PDT Nathan Johansen Knowing that there are older and newer versions possible, but providing that which works. 2020-05-04 09-19-25 PDT Nathan Johansen (Or did I get those backwards ... probably need to go make my coffee first.) 2019-09-20 23-37-10 PDT Nathan Johansen • [ https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues/84#note_156179108 ] 2020-05-04 09-18-58 PDT Nathan Johansen The suggestion that the opacity is set to zero is the usual theory - but by default at launch isn't opacity set to some positive value (like 100%)? 2019-09-07 14-13-16 PDT Nathan Johansen As a strategy for performance across multiple instances, I would like to know if there would be some consensus on providing target versions (specific to platforms) for download, 2019-09-21 11-09-40 PDT Nathan Johansen Installing the latest version from here ... https://inkscape.org/release/inkscape-1.0beta1/macos/1010-1015/dl/ 2019-09-20 21-27-42 PDT Nathan Johansen But, I've been asked to try to contemplate the creation of such a thing. Honestly, I'm not utterly interested in saving everyone's ass anymore. Including my own, but we still do ... 2019-09-21 09-40-45 PDT Nathan Johansen I once had it going through and individually signing and packaging all of the code into a complete package (sans the requisite Inkscape logo), then abandoned ~the~ them because of that (being the lack of logo). =) 2019-06-16 22-58-36 PDT Nathan Johansen DO NOT DO THIS: (But use “sudo” when you do …) ln -sf /usr/include/iconv.h /usr/local/include/iconv.h 2019-09-20 20-24-47 PDT Nathan Johansen Just read this nonsense from ~Bloomberg Markets~ today: ```The retreat is beginning with tiny steps, like taxpayer buyouts for homeowners in flood-prone areas from New Orleans to New York City and Texas to Florida. As people marched all over the world on Friday, furious at how their fellow humans have despoiled the planet and poisoned its atmosphere, the planet is pushing back. —David E. Rovella``` 2019-09-20 20-21-01 PDT Nathan Johansen Let's talk over the weekend? =) 2019-09-20 23-34-34 PDT Nathan Johansen I'd like to revisit your notes on Issue #84 • [ https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues/84#note_141444713 ] also. 2019-09-20 20-25-46 PDT Nathan Johansen I have been attempting to coordinate the utility of simplifying certain UN and NATO activities globally. 2019-06-16 22-58-43 PDT Nathan Johansen ;) 2020-05-04 09-45-06 PDT Nathan Johansen Probably another one of those little elements that can be vexing - like not choosing the correct page size for your project and then the output is different than you expected ... 2020-05-04 09-18-16 PDT Windell Oskay Let me take a look. 2019-06-16 23-51-42 PDT Windell Oskay Thank you, but I'm just testing with daily builds from CI, plus the extensions -- it works well enough, and helps out with testing for "real world" issues like this. :) 2019-07-09 16-40-52 PDT Windell Oskay I don't know if any hard target was ever set. Either of those is far enough back IMO; it should be limited by what's possible. 10.10 was released in 2014, 10.11 in 2015, as points of reference. 2019-09-20 21-16-15 PDT Windell Oskay That was one of our users that I've been talking to by email-- wouldn't do that much good to have her asking plotter-specific questions here instead. 2020-05-04 09-42-21 PDT Windell Oskay Is there a straightforward way to return settings to draw things with a fill or stroke and opacity? I've been bitten by this a few times over the years as well. 2020-05-04 09-49-41 PDT Windell Oskay Well, something to keep an eye on... 2019-09-21 09-27-57 PDT Windell Oskay Is there something in particular about it that you'd like to revisit? 2020-05-04 09-35-24 PDT Windell Oskay I've seen settings like this quite a few times, drawing with 0 opacity or no fill/stroke. The first one seems to have resolved itself (yes, opacity). 2020-05-04 09-30-50 PDT Windell Oskay Can you send me a link to the particular posts? I haven't found them on my own

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2020-01-13 17-17-28 PST Nathan Johansen (but still give attribution to the typefaces that you're using to form the glyphs.) 2020-01-13 17-19-04 PST Nathan Johansen The SVG file otherwise has to depend on the display system to which you've provided the file to have the exact same font and family of that font installed to display it properly. 2020-01-13 17-10-40 PST Nathan Johansen a.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/g6RPHEQJ4RXJrEPBP/a.png) 2020-01-13 17-23-07 PST Nathan Johansen Yet it retained the glimpse of the layout. 2020-01-13 17-20-05 PST Nathan Johansen So once you've confidently executed the design, you must "break" it into paths, and then convert those if necessary into objects, then export the visual object as an SVG. 2020-01-13 17-22-50 PST Nathan Johansen (I don't have those fonts installed here, so it would look different than the example I posted previously.) 2020-01-13 17-15-25 PST Nathan Johansen This seems to be an issue of the font inclusion at first glance. 2020-01-13 17-13-38 PST Nathan Johansen What operating system are you using? 2020-01-13 17-22-22 PST Nathan Johansen Give that a try and post the result here if you'd like. 2020-01-13 17-12-58 PST Nathan Johansen When I save it as an SVG the font fails also. 2020-01-13 17-24-02 PST Nathan Johansen You're certainly welcome, let's join the ordinary channel again and share your output as evidence of success? =) 2020-01-13 17-25-21 PST Nathan Johansen So preface it with the steps you took, and show the result, when you're ready. ;) 2020-01-13 17-14-10 PST Nathan Johansen And do you have your fonts enabled to be accessible to Inkscape? 2020-01-13 17-16-55 PST Nathan Johansen A simple workaround is to follow the rules we use for the "About Screen" contest, and to break apart the fonts and objects into outlines in your interface and then export that data. 2020-01-13 17-24-51 PST Nathan Johansen It's helpful to inspire people, and whenever we can share out techniques it's inspiring. 2020-01-13 17-10-22 PST Nathan Johansen This is what I get: 2020-01-13 17-15-59 PST Nathan Johansen Yes, however certain font's may not render in all output without rendering them. 2020-01-13 17-14-45 PST Nathan Johansen (Nice logo, by the way!) =) 2020-01-13 17-18-04 PST Nathan Johansen Select the objects and convert them to paths. 2020-01-13 17-06-56 PST Nathan Johansen At the bottom of your screen is a plus sign ( + ) where you type. You can upload the item with that here, or do so in the #inkscape_user channel as you wish. 2020-01-13 17-23-49 PST mrmcq2u and had lots of variations which showed as black boxes in thumbnails which just put me off working on it 2020-01-13 17-05-48 PST mrmcq2u hey, can I send one of the files that im having issues with? 2020-01-13 17-13-19 PST mrmcq2u a.svg.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/HKdfRafE2aEN8sKyZ/a.svg.png) 2020-01-13 17-14-05 PST mrmcq2u clearlinux, but had the same issue with fedora when i started this particular project couple of months ago 2020-01-13 17-15-35 PST mrmcq2u so inskape has access to the fonts that are installed on the system 2020-01-13 17-13-32 PST mrmcq2u thats what it looks like in inkscape 2020-01-13 17-22-43 PST mrmcq2u ah, just tested and it works 2020-01-13 17-15-14 PST mrmcq2u yeah, i mean that .png is the same one exported from the inkscape svg 2020-01-13 17-11-20 PST mrmcq2u yeah, I am using a custom font as well that doesnt seem to get baked into the svg itself 2020-01-13 17-23-17 PST mrmcq2u thanks so much 2020-01-13 17-23-21 PST mrmcq2u hit a brick wall 2020-01-13 17-15-59 PST mrmcq2u [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/NPJ2000?msg=QPbS8D2h2g7qg73iR) thanks :) still working on it () 2020-01-13 17-07-26 PST mrmcq2u a.svg (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/EBmiPYTSDWcqzcuYF/a.svg)

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2019-05-15 14-39-24 PDT Nathan Johansen Just configuring a version for 10.13.6 now. 2019-03-27 16-44-54 PDT Nathan Johansen And worth being diligent to check for periodically. 2019-03-27 17-11-58 PDT Nathan Johansen Or, alternatively, poke them in as often as we can. 2019-05-14 14-54-08 PDT Nathan Johansen That's both build products. ~158MB 2019-03-27 16-58-00 PDT Nathan Johansen Well, my concern is that things like this may have been created as a consequence of the code, so it would be good to be mindful of these possibilities so they may be avoided. 2019-05-15 13-46-22 PDT Nathan Johansen I just deleted it. 2019-05-01 09-00-33 PDT Nathan Johansen Then I can start fresh with everything and use that list to start ... it should be small and optimized for each individual port. 2019-05-01 09-32-35 PDT Nathan Johansen THEN, I can use that list (depending on what I enable with the ``` -DWITH_DBUS=ON```switch, say) to further narrow down the range of possibilities. 2019-05-01 08-49-28 PDT Nathan Johansen Ah. Here it is: 2019-05-15 14-35-35 PDT Nathan Johansen Or old IBM PCs in Morocco. 2019-10-07 15-29-05 PDT Nathan Johansen Well, not sloppy, umm ... out of place when it should be in order? 2019-12-04 15-51-59 PST Nathan Johansen Can I paste a typical warning that I'm receiving from the DMG here? Seems to deal with how things are signed and offers guidance on how to resolve it, unless you've already seen them. 2019-06-16 16-23-23 PDT Nathan Johansen Oh, I guess you're correct. It is there! Thank you! 2019-10-07 15-07-59 PDT Nathan Johansen Send a request. 2019-05-15 14-34-52 PDT Nathan Johansen I was imagining the better route would be to make versions that WILL work for those older systems, but might not be the full package. 2019-09-05 14-22-50 PDT Nathan Johansen [ https://www.greatamericanink.com ] 2019-04-18 06-57-27 PDT Nathan Johansen They seem centered on the GLib and Gtk but may just be a parsing error on a few files. 2019-07-05 16-32-55 PDT Nathan Johansen Nice work! 2019-06-08 11-36-45 PDT Nathan Johansen I'll try that. Are there current instructions being kept somewhere that I can follow? 2019-05-15 13-50-28 PDT Nathan Johansen I appreciated the wisdom of the suggestion to "move" the /opt/local to something else, like /opt/xlocal/ then test. 2019-05-15 14-35-15 PDT Nathan Johansen Think about, oh, Siemens' textile machines in Asia? 2019-09-09 09-19-25 PDT Nathan Johansen Nope. Just gave me two numbers that we can call to have a further conversation. (800) 633-2152 Apple Developer  (408) 974-4897 Developer Support 2019-06-13 09-31-26 PDT Nathan Johansen I feel like I'm doing something wrong every time I have to put back that silly whirlwind of links to get something pointed at the "correct" ` iconv.h ` and ... also, ` ranlib ` ... which one of those it looks for is always a mess, too. 2019-04-14 10-26-10 PDT Nathan Johansen Sounds like fun. I think I'm about to the point where I may have success with the extensions today. 2019-05-15 14-15-58 PDT Nathan Johansen ('Da 'toolz) 2019-03-27 16-32-34 PDT Nathan Johansen Good point. 2019-05-14 14-07-52 PDT Nathan Johansen I can start another. 10.13 perhaps? 2019-05-14 13-59-10 PDT Nathan Johansen I thought so. 2019-07-05 16-44-39 PDT Nathan Johansen Ebenso! 2019-05-01 09-29-39 PDT Nathan Johansen My strategy was to do one run at building then installing the needed dependency list with +quartz alone enabled, then do it again with +x11 alone enabled, then do it again with both enabled, then remove it entirely and do it with an empty default file. 2019-10-07 15-13-11 PDT Nathan Johansen You contributions to this project are appreciated by me, if they are not by the anti-Mac crowd. But I knew this would not be easy to achieve, and yet ... you've succeeded. 2019-07-05 16-57-46 PDT Nathan Johansen After this, I'm not certain what it does ... 2019-03-27 16-58-29 PDT Nathan Johansen https://csrc.nist.gov/projects/usable-cybersecurity 2019-05-14 14-15-11 PDT Nathan Johansen M src/3rdparty/autotrace/exception.h M src/3rdparty/autotrace/pxl-outline.c 2019-04-18 06-55-59 PDT Nathan Johansen I have three critical failures and one message (from the latest of code). It compiles nicely, but when I run it, it throws errors and quits. 2019-05-15 13-47-53 PDT Nathan Johansen ;) 2019-05-15 12-47-18 PDT Nathan Johansen ? 2019-10-07 15-18-13 PDT Nathan Johansen Ahh, they had it once and got silly. 2019-05-14 13-55-52 PDT Nathan Johansen You're using OSX 10_13_6 ? 2019-05-01 09-22-59 PDT Nathan Johansen ``` $ pwd ``` 2019-11-23 07-13-17 PST Nathan Johansen How's your new build machine coming together? Seems like the updates today work well (in so far as I can tell) and are a good candidate for a "new" signed DMG soon? 2019-10-07 15-15-33 PDT Nathan Johansen Keep it up. Change takes time. =) 2019-07-02 13-20-04 PDT Nathan Johansen Sorry, I just noticed the clock. You probably want to have your evening. =) 2019-12-04 15-53-03 PST Nathan Johansen Let me see if I can produce it again. Hahaha. 2019-10-07 15-30-53 PDT Nathan Johansen Yes, but in whole, the work itself is really working well. 2019-10-07 15-17-49 PDT Nathan Johansen (I don't like doing that and will pretend to be stupid, but am happy to help.) 2019-05-15 13-47-05 PDT Nathan Johansen Let me try again. 2019-09-08 12-24-45 PDT Nathan Johansen Good. I still have the iPad(s) for the local library that I'd look to put Inkscape on. They have 3D printers and other tech to offer patrons, and I've been excited to include Inkscape. 2019-04-22 12-13-44 PDT Nathan Johansen So, that's good. =) 2019-05-01 08-52-34 PDT Nathan Johansen What do you get back from a ` port echo leaves ` 2019-07-05 16-35-12 PDT Nathan Johansen I'm also mid-way through trying to get MacPorts back in working condition, and that is running in the background, so perhaps I should stop that and give it a fresh try after a restart? 2019-07-02 13-13-53 PDT Nathan Johansen Clipboard - July 2, 2019 1:13 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/ekdqtFPxr2MKNkudx/Clipboard%20-%20Jul…) 2019-05-01 09-45-51 PDT Nathan Johansen I cheat. I cut and and paste them to the command line from my notes. 2019-04-23 11-06-03 PDT Nathan Johansen The .inx files for Windows could be causing an issue for macOS. 2019-08-08 12-45-11 PDT Nathan Johansen René? I've been focused on work and not checking in here. 2019-10-07 15-14-35 PDT Nathan Johansen But know that you're the best. =) 2019-05-01 09-37-56 PDT Nathan Johansen Oh, whoops. That has duplicates. Anyway, I have different versions on different lines of my notes. 2019-10-07 15-40-56 PDT Nathan Johansen They did not let me have the A8 that weekend ... 2019-10-07 15-31-07 PDT Nathan Johansen So, no worries, we've got this. 2019-03-27 17-09-58 PDT Nathan Johansen Sounds good. Have a nice evening. Night nite! 2019-05-15 14-36-21 PDT Nathan Johansen I mean, the world is a big place and the stuff that is kind of like slow junk to us could be really useful to others. 2019-06-16 11-13-24 PDT Nathan Johansen When you have a moment, would you be kind enough to remind me of that hack for linking the iconv files (or whatever that non-standard trick was to get past the dylib deprecation issue I had documented then deleted over concern that it would encourage others to follow the same remedy). I haven't been able to build any of the branches since that last one a about three weeks ago now. Although, I've been bust at work and may not be up to date anymore with where everything is at and how to ensure I'm fetching the alpha2 build now. =). Danke! 2019-05-15 13-47-37 PDT Nathan Johansen Oh, yes. I'm using it. I read the documentation over the past few days. 2019-08-08 12-46-54 PDT Nathan Johansen I looked for the latest build artifact: which would you like me to try out? I still have (I think) the latest build at: [Inkscape 1.0alpha2 (2b5d32c80b, 2019-08-07)] 2019-10-07 15-11-51 PDT Nathan Johansen It (for you to know) EXTREMELY upsets me that they'll spend money on stickers, booths, postage, and trivial nonsense .. yet not pay for this. I know what you've done, and for that you have my confidence and support. Just ask and I'll do my best. :bow: 2019-05-01 09-13-03 PDT Nathan Johansen ```# -*- coding: utf-8; mode: tcl; tab-width: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil; c-basic-offset: 4 -*- vim:fenc=utf-8:ft=tcl:et:sw=4:ts=4:sts=4 PortSystem 1.0 PortGroup gobject_introspection 1.0 name gdk-pixbuf2 set my_name gdk-pixbuf epoch 2 version 2.36.12 license LGPL set branch [join [lrange [split ${version} .] 0 1] .] categories graphics maintainers {devans @dbevans} openmaintainer homepage http://www.gtk.org/ platforms darwin distname ${my_name}-${version} use_xz yes description The gdk-pixbuf-2.0 library long_description ${description} master_sites gnome:sources/${my_name}/${branch}/ checksums rmd160 283963dfc2e04e7f51a3b195afb514379ecfda7b \ sha256 fff85cf48223ab60e3c3c8318e2087131b590fd6f1737e42cb3759a3b427a334 \ size 5675768 depends_build port:pkgconfig depends_lib path:lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc:glib2 \ port:shared-mime-info \ port:libpng \ port:jasper \ port:jpeg \ port:tiff gobject_introspection yes license_noconflict gobject-introspection configure.args --with-libjasper \ --disable-silent-rules test.run yes test.target check post-activate { system "${prefix}/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache" } variant bundle description {Enable application bundle relocation support} { configure.args-append --enable-relocations } variant x11 { depends_lib-append port:xorg-libX11 configure.args-append --with-x11 } if {![variant_isset quartz]} { default_variants +x11 } livecheck.type gnome livecheck.name ${my_name} ``` 2019-05-14 23-08-48 PDT Nathan Johansen [ https:// www . npj . com / inkscape / RdH / ] 2019-05-01 08-56-05 PDT Nathan Johansen I had my settings with an insistence on forcing +quartz in ALL instances. 2019-05-18 11-19-39 PDT Nathan Johansen Anywho, trying to totally get rid of X11 is a bit more of a challenge than I like. 2019-05-14 13-57-19 PDT Nathan Johansen I did. 2019-09-08 12-22-20 PDT Nathan Johansen So we can skip the Apple signing headache crap for those? 2019-07-06 09-35-17 PDT Nathan Johansen I wonder if that is just a difference in the web browser? Mine is from Safari Technology Preview, Release 86 (Safari 13.0). And I think on mine, it may have performed the malware/sanity checks upon download but prior to launch? I'll have to look more carefully at this. But in all other respects (save one) it worked. 2019-07-02 12-59-15 PDT Nathan Johansen Hahaha, naa. ;) 2019-05-15 14-17-03 PDT Nathan Johansen I had someone bring me a MacBook once that was so horribly corrupted it took me almost ... well, six solid days of unbroken time ... to recover everything except for about five or six files. That was a test of patience. 2019-05-18 11-01-13 PDT Nathan Johansen So, 10.10.x through 10.13.x (with or without X11, GraphicsMagick, ImageMagick, in combinations) all work, but the GTK throws issues. I think that the 10.14.x so far seems the most "stable" and works well, but that is a tad higher in the target range than what you wanted. I've gone at it from both the "pure" Apple library side and the "pure" MacPorts side with varying results. Going to leave it alone for the rest of the weekend. ;) 2019-07-02 12-57-29 PDT Nathan Johansen And every time I change to a new directory in `Terminal` it seems to prompt me in a separate dialogue window to provide authorization. Just switching to ~/Documents required permission ... Hahaha. 2019-05-15 14-22-45 PDT Nathan Johansen But I think that's a little silly ... 2019-09-09 09-19-58 PDT Nathan Johansen At this point, I'd say whatever works, works ... =) 2019-04-18 07-05-56 PDT Nathan Johansen ```$ /usr/local/bin/inkscape ; exit; Entity: line 1146: parser error : error parsing attribute name # /opt/local/bin/python2.7 ^ Entity: line 1146: parser error : attributes construct error # /opt/local/bin/python2.7 ^ Entity: line 1146: parser error : Couldn't find end of Start Tag group line 1143 # /opt/local/bin/python2.7 ^ Pango version: 1.42.4 ( :18832): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 06:51:12.092: gtk_combo_box_set_active: assertion 'index_ >= -1' failed ( :18832): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 06:51:12.159: gtk_combo_box_set_active: assertion 'index_ >= -1' failed Warning: Font face with same CSS values already added: Avenir Oblique (Book Oblique, Oblique) Warning: Font face with same CSS values already added: Avenir Normal (Book, Roman) ** Gtk:ERROR:gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon: assertion failed (error == NULL): Icon 'image-missing' not present in theme Adwaita (gtk-icon-theme-error-quark, 0) Emergency save activated! ( :18832): GLib-CRITICAL **: 06:51:12.420: g_path_get_dirname: assertion 'file_name != NULL' failed Emergency save completed. Inkscape will close now. If you can reproduce this crash, please file a bug at www.inkscape.org with a detailed description of the steps leading to the crash, so we can fix it. Gtk-Message: 06:51:12.442: GtkDialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged. Entity: line 1146: parser error : error parsing attribute name # /opt/local/bin/python2.7 ^ Entity: line 1146: parser error : attributes construct error # /opt/local/bin/python2.7 ^ Entity: line 1146: parser error : Couldn't find end of Start Tag group line 1143 # /opt/local/bin/python2.7 ^ Abort trap: 6 logout Saving session... ...copying shared history... ...saving history...truncating history files... ...completed. [Process completed] ``` 2019-08-08 12-51-44 PDT Nathan Johansen If I switch to actually ANY other open window, then back to the Inkscape GUI, then the menu bar works again. 2019-07-02 13-00-13 PDT Nathan Johansen Umm ... 2019-12-04 16-02-23 PST Nathan Johansen Does not even write junk to the terminal on exit or window resizing or opening files. 2019-10-07 15-29-37 PDT Nathan Johansen It does not go together with the rest of the appearance enough to be noticed. 2019-04-14 10-23-00 PDT Nathan Johansen How's your packaging pipeline working? I've been trying to get the extensions to compile properly again. =) 2019-05-15 14-23-01 PDT Nathan Johansen (And no, they don't.) 2019-03-27 16-40-17 PDT Nathan Johansen Because that `* -> *` is not owned by root in your example ... 2019-10-07 15-32-53 PDT Nathan Johansen I got a speeding blitz on the autobahn once ... still have the photograph. =) 2019-03-27 17-11-25 PDT Nathan Johansen Always wanting to poke our heads in where they do not belong ... =) 2019-04-14 10-27-00 PDT Nathan Johansen This would be fun to go rewrite from scratch ... as a learning to code experience. =) 2019-05-15 14-35-55 PDT Nathan Johansen (They must have some, given all of the ancient Mercedes that go there to die ...) 2019-05-01 10-07-33 PDT Nathan Johansen Having a file handy or some "correct" way of doing that "turn 'em all on!" strategy would be super-helpful for testing. 2019-05-01 08-49-32 PDT Nathan Johansen ```---> Computing dependencies for gdk-pixbuf2 Error: Failed to deactivate gdk-pixbuf2: Active version of gdk-pixbuf2 is not 2.36.12_0+x11 but 2.36.12_0. Error: See /opt/local/var/macports/logs/_opt_local_var_macports_registry_portfiles_gdk-pixbuf2-2.36.12_0_9808bd846ca86e27720609b3f1fd06365e0550c7390b07d0a758a636f7c4fd09-1878/gdk-pixbuf2/main.log for details. Warning: Failed to execute portfile from registry for gdk-pixbuf2 @2.36.12_0 ---> Deactivating gdk-pixbuf2 @2.36.12_0 ---> Activating gdk-pixbuf2 @2.36.12_0+x11``` 2019-09-09 09-20-50 PDT Nathan Johansen The iPad I see is going to become something like "iPadOS" ... 2019-10-07 15-15-45 PDT Nathan Johansen :joy: 2019-05-01 09-14-37 PDT Nathan Johansen Your paths may vary, but hopefully that helps? 2019-06-16 16-21-43 PDT Nathan Johansen Anyway, I came across it once. I 2019-10-07 15-07-55 PDT Nathan Johansen +001 (720) 273-2063 2019-05-14 23-14-49 PDT Nathan Johansen The lxml seems missing. I just tried to build it "AS IS" without modifications. It builds and runs, but there are extensions that fail. But see if it will work for your OSX version 10.13 - if you'd like. I'll explore how to package these up better over my free time in the next few days. =) 2019-07-02 13-09-40 PDT Nathan Johansen Or was it Mexico? It won't give me the German version over here today, but: [ https://www.dw.com/en/hail-storm-buries-parts-of-mexican-city-of-guadalajar… ] 2019-05-15 13-56-05 PDT Nathan Johansen Hmm. PacketLogger (one of the Xcode Tools) can also do that type of analysis, or? 2019-04-20 10-38-44 PDT Nathan Johansen What's your schedule like this weekend? 2019-10-07 15-10-22 PDT Nathan Johansen I'm not allowed to do much without getting screamed at, also, but yet I do. =) 2019-07-05 16-36-44 PDT Nathan Johansen I'll let you know if this version does work. 2019-05-01 09-36-41 PDT Nathan Johansen The full range to test is something like this list at the end of a `cmake ..`: ```-DWITH_GRAPHICS_MAGICK=ON -DWITH_OPENMP=ON -DWITH_PROFILING=ON -DWITH_JEMALLOC=ON -DWITH_GRAPHICS_MAGICK=ON -DWITH_DBUS=ON -DWITH_JEMALLOC=ON -L``` 2019-06-13 10-23-59 PDT Nathan Johansen Okay. I have those in a loose order already. I just tried replacing the "iconv.h" fix, and it's failing ... so perhaps it has moved on to some new secret hack. This machine is now on macOS 10.14.6 Beta, FYI. 2019-07-02 13-04-49 PDT Nathan Johansen The solar eclipse in Peru is about to happen, that should be pretty. I got to see one in Frankfurt once. Well, I was in Offenbach at the time, but it was right around mid-day. I remember how dark and cold it became for a duration; and the pattern of the shadow cast on the ground through the leaves of trees. 2019-09-08 12-26-40 PDT Nathan Johansen Since it was 10.11 (maybe 10.10 ?) as a version to support, I'd say you've got it! =) 2019-05-01 09-02-07 PDT Nathan Johansen That will spit out all manner of binaries for us in a jiffy, which would be helpful to increase the base of people able to offer their time for testing other features out. 2019-05-02 14-22-18 PDT Nathan Johansen Did he already try following this preliminary checklist for a fresh MacPorts? 2019-05-01 09-38-03 PDT Nathan Johansen I'll sort it out, eventually. =) 2019-04-22 11-53-21 PDT Nathan Johansen I only have piles of these (nothing else, incredibly): 2019-05-01 09-40-25 PDT Nathan Johansen And then be like, "WHaat!t?? No way. Really? There's a compiler flag to do that??" 2019-07-02 12-53-11 PDT Nathan Johansen I would like to see how that works - people have their favorites, but I think this interface is nice for keeping things organized when you're developing projects than scattering stuff everywhere. 2019-07-05 18-36-48 PDT Nathan Johansen Screen Shot 2019-07-05 at 6.35.41 PM.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/cz3rfFk4YW7WQhsmD/Screen%20Shot%20201…) 2019-03-27 17-06-41 PDT Nathan Johansen Does it also work with ``find . -type l -name '\*'` 2019-12-04 16-03-23 PST Nathan Johansen Well, at least for the first couple of times you open it anyway. 2019-06-16 16-28-40 PDT Nathan Johansen (Just needed to scroll back a bit further.) 2019-07-05 16-58-04 PDT Nathan Johansen isa10.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/kJHaNjqPxaxKWyEvv/isa10.png) 2019-04-27 07-59-23 PDT Nathan Johansen It's F*GH@ing FAST when you get it to do a full compile as a pure 64-bit application. About knocked me over with wind. 2019-04-22 12-13-15 PDT Nathan Johansen Hmm. I just rebuild everything with the latest from a `git pull` and now I only get one (and only one) message: 2019-10-07 15-19-38 PDT Nathan Johansen Sort of makes it difficult to wake up and participate some days, but I do. I care, and love what we're able to do together, although it may be kept hidden. 2019-05-02 14-22-52 PDT Nathan Johansen I'm trying to make that nonsense more streamlined, slowy. 2019-09-08 12-21-08 PDT Nathan Johansen Amazing! 2019-05-15 14-09-47 PDT Nathan Johansen and dtools 2019-03-27 17-08-09 PDT Nathan Johansen No worries. =) 2019-06-08 11-31-24 PDT Nathan Johansen Okay ... hmm *shrug* 2019-04-22 11-53-58 PDT Nathan Johansen So, that's about the only type of error I'm seeing. 2019-07-05 18-36-13 PDT Nathan Johansen It works: 2019-06-08 11-33-15 PDT Nathan Johansen (And if it's too late for you, just say so.) 2019-07-06 09-35-55 PDT Nathan Johansen The extensions still want Python3.6 ... so I need to put that back real quick and test those out. I only launched the application and looked at the About box once. 2019-05-01 08-46-34 PDT Nathan Johansen Afternoon, René! I'm slowly building up a proper dependency list. I already made one post of those so far which blend GTK and quartz/x11 in their builds. I've got a few more variants which have "requirements" that BOTH quartz AND x11 be available, and I notice others (older code perhaps needed for certain Extensions? Not certain on those, yet.) There were a couple of what I will only call "compiler traps" which allowed the thing to whirl away at high speed for ... port -ftpsqR install *xcode* ... nope ... ```port -ftpsqR install jbigkit``` that stopped it dead for 132m24.144s before I killed it off and restarted. 2019-05-15 14-09-40 PDT Nathan Johansen I love dtrace! 2019-04-22 11-53-45 PDT Nathan Johansen ```( :36398): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 11:50:29.201: gtk_box_gadget_distribute: assertion 'size >= 0' failed in GdlSwitcher``` 2019-06-08 11-57-44 PDT Nathan Johansen (And it does build / work - with the current master - from your last try?) 2019-09-09 09-25-23 PDT Nathan Johansen [ https://developer.apple.com/ipad/ ] 2019-04-18 06-59-26 PDT Nathan Johansen Let me try and you can correct me. =) 2019-04-22 11-53-26 PDT Nathan Johansen ```Pango version: 1.42.4 ( :36398): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 10:44:47.950: gtk_combo_box_set_active: assertion 'index_ >= -1' failed ( :36398): Gtk-WARNING **: 10:44:48.761: Drawing a gadget with negative dimensions. Did you forget to allocate a size? (node notebook owner GdlSwitcher)``` 2019-05-01 09-22-43 PDT Nathan Johansen I was trying to find that file .. okay. Here they are: 2019-10-07 15-26-59 PDT Nathan Johansen Me whining about the color of the menu bar is just Nathan being a wise ass. ;) 2019-03-27 16-44-20 PDT Nathan Johansen Hmm. I wonder - how would one go about looking for any other instances of these zombie files on a Mac/Unix system? 2019-09-08 12-21-20 PDT Nathan Johansen That's Ganz Tolle! (sp?). =) 2019-12-04 15-52-47 PST Nathan Johansen Baaah ! It won't let me copy the text ... 2019-03-27 17-04-33 PDT Nathan Johansen So, what has ``find . -type f -name '\*'`` turned up so far? Anything scary? 2019-07-05 16-32-53 PDT Nathan Johansen Having these finishing touches done properly really go a long way to make it a professional package. 2019-09-09 09-18-35 PDT Nathan Johansen *shrug* :shrug: 2019-06-08 11-55-40 PDT Nathan Johansen Thank you, René. 2019-05-14 14-23-57 PDT Nathan Johansen bbiab 2019-06-08 11-32-58 PDT Nathan Johansen I've been trying to tuck it inside a Workspace folder from my home directory. 2019-03-28 06-45-41 PDT Nathan Johansen We can chat about it here, instead. 2019-05-01 09-31-22 PDT Nathan Johansen And then I was going to proceed with the `cmake ...` in the build directory and see what it actually is picking up and using from using the `-L` flag to see them listed. 2019-04-18 07-05-58 PDT Nathan Johansen Ah. 2021-02-06 08-30-58 PST Nathan Johansen Does the Extensions > Extension Manager... work with your packaged builds lately? In particular for 1.1? I'm not certain what it should do, but I get an error: "The Inkscape profile directory isn't set!" 2021-02-12 11-17-24 PST Nathan Johansen How's your icon coming along? I see Doc already put up the yellow hat on #team_devel ... 2019-07-05 16-20-15 PDT Nathan Johansen Yep. It's downloaded. I'll follow your instructions. 2019-07-05 16-29-32 PDT Nathan Johansen So, after opening the DMG and double-clicking on the Inkscape logo icon, it started running ... but not doing much other than watching the Inkscape icon bounce up and down ... 2019-05-14 14-15-10 PDT Nathan Johansen These two recent updates just broke the build" 2019-05-14 14-05-07 PDT Nathan Johansen I'll leave that folder there. Just touched an empty index file there to hold. 2019-10-07 15-06-37 PDT Nathan Johansen Do you use Apple Cash? Or have the Apple Card? 2019-05-15 13-45-20 PDT Nathan Johansen Nope, still linking to the other libraries. 2019-05-15 14-08-16 PDT Nathan Johansen Maybe it's another one. I haven't played with them in ages. 2019-05-01 09-28-04 PDT Nathan Johansen Do you want to see their contents? 2019-05-01 09-45-22 PDT Nathan Johansen I wish. 2019-05-15 14-22-32 PDT Nathan Johansen What do you want as a minimum OS target? 2019-05-01 08-47-54 PDT Nathan Johansen But that seems to be due to something else it was trying to install that needed BOTH +quartz and +x11 to work. I kept notes of it some place, I think. Let me go look ... 2019-04-18 06-59-13 PDT Nathan Johansen What's the best way to paste these ~30 lines or so? Just place them inside back `tick` marks? 2019-05-01 08-58-00 PDT Nathan Johansen So, it seems that In these instances, I need three or four "versions" present and active - with or without: quartz x11 ... ( + + ) ( + - ) ( - + ) ( - - ) ... so to speak. 2019-05-14 13-46-49 PDT Nathan Johansen (omit the spaces to form a correct URI) 2019-07-02 13-05-38 PDT Nathan Johansen Hope you're all staying cooled off over there - I do not like how hot it is getting in India and elsewhere. 2019-09-08 12-19-03 PDT Nathan Johansen 10.9.5 ? ( ! ) :wink: 2019-06-16 16-21-06 PDT Nathan Johansen (I did that ... I don't think we ever typed it down there - I just had it on the Issue #84 page as part of another note that I edited.) 2019-05-14 13-45-49 PDT Nathan Johansen See if this works for you: 2019-05-02 14-33-02 PDT Nathan Johansen I've got a list, I should have it ready soon. There are over 800 ports and dependency packs to filter through to get all the right ones on the latest macOS ... 2019-06-08 11-37-22 PDT Nathan Johansen And do you use the LDFLAGS or LIBRARIES for the GTKSPELL3_FOUND block? 2019-03-27 17-10-51 PDT Nathan Johansen Well, you know how we `*` -holes are. 2019-05-15 13-57-17 PDT Nathan Johansen They got most of the *@&$ing trees taken out today, so that's been a chore. I could use a nap and a sandwich. 2019-04-27 07-55-32 PDT Nathan Johansen This branch has a lot to sort out. I have yet to get it to build properly yet. FYI. =) 2019-04-18 07-05-36 PDT Nathan Johansen Hm. The backticks did not seem to format the type in monospace. 2020-04-03 10-00-08 PDT Nathan Johansen Know that I give you credit for all aspects of the MacOS development and release. 2019-09-05 14-07-09 PDT Nathan Johansen What is this built with? Looks a little like RocketChat, but knowing them, it may be custom designed? [ https://www.theinnovators.community ] 2019-04-27 08-00-39 PDT Nathan Johansen And that's with all the buggy code and extensions clobbering it up, still. I have build multiple versions of code into MacPorts like Thomas suggested, so that makes it easier, bit it still takes time. 2019-05-01 09-39-33 PDT Nathan Johansen "Well, Nat-Han! You're a jackass ... the simplest way, with the `cmake` utility is to just use the ` . • * • . ` switch at the end of the command to get it to do them all!" 2019-10-07 15-24-51 PDT Nathan Johansen Du canst auf Deutsche scriben, wenn du willst ... 2019-05-01 09-41-00 PDT Nathan Johansen And then be like, "Hmm... Thanks, René!" I'll let you know which ones ultimately pan out. =) 2019-05-01 09-12-58 PDT Nathan Johansen Here's mine: Took a minute to find it. 2019-05-01 09-14-13 PDT Nathan Johansen Macintosh HD⁩ ▸ ⁨opt⁩ ▸ ⁨local⁩ ▸ ⁨var⁩ ▸ ⁨macports⁩ ▸ ⁨registry⁩ ▸ ⁨portfiles⁩ ▸ ⁨gdk-pixbuf2-2.36.12_0⁩ ▸ ⁨9808bd846ca86e27720609b3f1fd06365e0550c7390b07d0a758a636f7c4fd09-1878⁩ 2019-07-02 12-55-42 PDT Nathan Johansen Oh, yes. The first thing to go was Cisco's AnyConnect so the VPN to my corporate servers fails now. 2019-07-02 12-48-59 PDT Nathan Johansen I had once wanted to play around with RocketChat on my Mac - is this the spot to follow how to install/configure that along the lines of how it exists here for Inkscape? [ https://gitlab.com/inkscape/infra/services ] 2019-05-15 14-28-35 PDT Nathan Johansen (Ja, ja, toll, ... Punkt sechs.) 2019-07-02 13-11-56 PDT Nathan Johansen I saw some of that this last winter in the Pacific Northwest. This combination of hail, with soft rain, and freezing temperatures, and then more snow/hail/rain - it piles up FAST and is ... well, it's like everything is smoothly coated over with glass. 2019-05-01 09-52-32 PDT Nathan Johansen Hahaha. Whatever. I keep it all in my head and just type incredibly fast until someone wants to know what's going through all that so I go make a record of it and hand that over and go back to work and keep that target updated periodically to guess at where I'm at in all of this further. =) 2019-04-22 12-13-27 PDT Nathan Johansen ```$ inkscape Pango version: 1.42.4 Gtk-Message: 12:06:18.266: GtkDialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged. ``` 2019-10-07 15-28-44 PDT Nathan Johansen It really is SO MINOR and TRIVIAL ... but .. appearance wise, when you have to LOOK at it for HOURS in the other "dark" theme, it becomes extremely distracting and ... sloppy. 2019-05-01 08-55-46 PDT Nathan Johansen Yep. but pixvuf2 is a gdk-* that needs x11 ... 2019-05-01 08-59-30 PDT Nathan Johansen Then with all of those ... I can try the build again. I can check to see which it actually uses to work right. Then I can "prune out" all of that unused code and variants and get rid of it further and further until we'll be left with a clean list of what is needed and in what "flavor" ... anyway, that's my hope! Hahahah ... =) ;) 2019-07-05 16-34-11 PDT Nathan Johansen But it just says: "Application Not Responding." 2019-09-05 14-22-45 PDT Nathan Johansen I'm not certain how to go about doing this, but what do you think about letting certain creative-types aware of the macOS release? 2019-06-13 10-24-39 PDT Nathan Johansen So it is more likely to be an issue with the development version of the OS that I'm using at the moment. 2019-10-07 15-14-58 PDT Nathan Johansen Okay, so do what you want. Blame Nathan. I'll be around. 2019-05-15 14-27-47 PDT Nathan Johansen Yep, yep, okay. .6 2020-04-03 09-58-49 PDT Nathan Johansen Whatever it takes to get this going forward is now in all of our best interests ... we've held them up long enough, now they can have the proper tools to do real work next. 2019-06-16 16-21-52 PDT Nathan Johansen can look for it once again. ;) 2019-05-01 09-15-08 PDT Nathan Johansen That's the Portfile, anyway. 2019-05-14 14-13-46 PDT Nathan Johansen Okay, I just started another one with 10.13 as the target. 2019-05-18 17-52-52 PDT Nathan Johansen Well, this is a new one: ```Scanning dependencies of target inkview [ 87%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/inkview.dir/inkview-main.cpp.o [ 87%] Linking CXX executable ../bin/inkview ld: warning: object file (/opt/local/lib/libpotrace.a(potracelib.o)) was built for newer OSX version (10.14) than being linked (10.13) ld: warning: object file (/opt/local/lib/libpotrace.a(decompose.o)) was built for newer OSX version (10.14) than being linked (10.13) ld: warning: object file (/opt/local/lib/libpotrace.a(curve.o)) was built for newer OSX version (10.14) than being linked (10.13) ld: warning: object file (/opt/local/lib/libpotrace.a(trace.o)) was built for newer OSX version (10.14) than being linked (10.13) Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:``` 2019-05-02 14-32-26 PDT Nathan Johansen Since then, I've tried to simplify. Only place +quartz where it is needed, and likewise +x11 where it is needed, and +quartz and +x11 on some instances ... 2019-05-01 09-30-15 PDT Nathan Johansen Ah, so that's good, then? 2019-03-27 16-43-15 PDT Nathan Johansen So, if the file was owned by `root` and group `wheel` and has the bits `lrwxr-xr-x` set ... you can just do a `sudo rm -i '*'` and it'll work? 2019-05-01 09-23-08 PDT Nathan Johansen ```/opt/local/lib``` 2019-07-02 13-21-20 PDT Nathan Johansen Hahaha, what bliss! (There should be a special button you can press to "activate" that feature.) 2019-05-14 13-58-55 PDT Nathan Johansen I'll build another one later that uses 10.13 as a target. I forget, but I think I left that open. 2019-05-15 14-27-13 PDT Nathan Johansen 10.13 was it? 2019-05-18 17-53-15 PDT Nathan Johansen *sigh* Easy to fix. Shouldn't be much longer. ;) 2019-05-14 14-18-30 PDT Nathan Johansen So ... this is the last one I had working properly. 2019-08-11 07-25-37 PDT Nathan Johansen Naa? ;) 2019-03-27 17-08-02 PDT Nathan Johansen Oh, I was just curious to know since you had run it already. 2019-05-15 13-47-46 PDT Nathan Johansen Super simple once you get the hang of it. 2019-05-14 14-15-27 PDT Nathan Johansen Baah! 2019-05-02 14-34-53 PDT Nathan Johansen I get that. But if he's updated his Mac (which it looks like he has) then it will take a moment to put back all the quartz and x11 stuff ... 2019-09-05 14-09-54 PDT Nathan Johansen True. 2019-07-02 12-51-19 PDT Nathan Johansen MacPorts won't even install `wget` ... yet. ;) 2019-10-07 15-20-00 PDT Nathan Johansen As a learning experience, we're certainly pivotal. =) 2019-10-07 15-27-35 PDT Nathan Johansen English is a Germanic language. 2019-05-14 14-53-09 PDT Nathan Johansen https://www.npj.com/inkscape/inkscape-eakvzojnpykumzdwwthvllmxdvsv.zip 2019-07-05 16-36-25 PDT Nathan Johansen I'll keep fiddling with it, though. This last update ran for over 9 hours then failed, so I could use a change of pace for a minute. =) 2019-10-07 15-18-42 PDT Nathan Johansen The tension is nice. It shows me how stupid people are yet how easy this can be. 2019-05-14 13-53-05 PDT Nathan Johansen Yay! 2019-03-27 16-39-15 PDT Nathan Johansen And that is running it as root or with sudo - given that the file permissions were set the way they were? 2019-10-07 15-13-57 PDT Nathan Johansen :beers: :dark_sunglasses: :wink: 2019-10-07 15-15-14 PDT Nathan Johansen (And being good.) 2019-05-01 09-03-05 PDT Nathan Johansen BUT ... I also have my build scripts locally configured to spit out binaries customized for multiple specific architectures which are NOT macOS. I have yet to test them anywhere yet, though. It's just a compiler option that is easy to set and run. 2020-04-03 09-56-46 PDT Nathan Johansen Ready to sign a 1.0 release? Let me know how to help, I can throw away $200 toward a developer account in a relative jiffy, but I'd rather have your name emblazoned on this. 2019-04-22 11-33-28 PDT Nathan Johansen Screen Shot 2019-04-22 at 10.57.30 AM.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/tWH7f3RtqxJ6eobQu/Screen%20Shot%20201…) 2019-12-04 16-01-51 PST Nathan Johansen BTW: the [ 1.0beta2 (a805cf9dd5, 2019-12-04) ] seems to work without error so far. 2019-08-08 13-03-26 PDT Nathan Johansen Building: Revision is 62cc95fa7e, 2019-08-07. 2019-05-14 13-55-16 PDT Nathan Johansen Well,, I just started looking at that last night. =) 2019-10-07 15-17-53 PDT Nathan Johansen =) 2019-05-15 14-34-14 PDT Nathan Johansen If a useful tool like inkscape (and the fun stuff that can go along with it) can be made (even if reduced to a simpler set of "tools") to work on things that are 30 years old, then that will help to redeem the usefulness of computers that are still able to be useful rather than junked. 2019-06-08 11-19-45 PDT Nathan Johansen Okay, so I have yet to get any of this to build in more than a week after the macOS update on my computer (~10.14.6 Beta at the moment). I also removed the iconv.h symbolic link, and feel that needs to be put back in place, but I wanted to ask if you could remind me which to place where before I try it again. Here is where it fails in the build from this morning: 2019-10-07 15-15-19 PDT Nathan Johansen (and Having Fun!) 2019-07-02 14-34-49 PDT Nathan Johansen One thing from the notes on zsh : `It does not provide compatibility with POSIX or other shells in its default operating mode` ... is that a potential issue for compiling anything Inkscape relies upon? 2019-05-14 13-58-28 PDT Nathan Johansen (Let me know when I can delete that so it doesn't go out into the wild.) 2019-05-02 14-31-47 PDT Nathan Johansen Yes, but that's using x11 still, even if the port uses quartz, so that is where I was at a couple weeks ago. Sort of a frustrating mess. 2019-10-07 15-08-36 PDT Nathan Johansen (Or at least buy a beer, or two.) 2019-05-02 14-35-57 PDT Nathan Johansen "Now how do I make an icon? So I can just click it" 2019-04-23 11-03-38 PDT Nathan Johansen https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues/84#note_163499602 2019-04-22 11-53-08 PDT Nathan Johansen Umm, haven't seen that one any further. 2019-04-23 11-05-26 PDT Nathan Johansen Did you read each one? 2019-03-27 16-44-37 PDT Nathan Johansen Those could be really malicious. 2019-05-15 13-50-47 PDT Nathan Johansen (nice to see that it breaks, which means that I did not build the whole thing as a single file.) 2019-05-15 14-24-32 PDT Nathan Johansen If there is some simple way to change the icon on the "zipped" Inkscape binary from the "terminal window" that would be neat. Just leave it like an old-school single application before linked libraries. 2019-07-02 13-14-54 PDT Nathan Johansen ```'Never-before-seen natural phenomena' in Guadalajara, Mexico due to a freak hail storm that has buried the city in ice.``` 2019-07-05 16-31-12 PDT Nathan Johansen Okay. Well, it's just bouncing up and down in the icon tray. So far so good. 2019-07-05 16-36-55 PDT Nathan Johansen (Seems like it should, to me, anyway.) 2019-07-02 13-00-43 PDT Nathan Johansen ```% python --version Python 2.7.16 ``` 2019-07-02 13-06-37 PDT Nathan Johansen Did you see the DW photos of the hail storm in Peru yesterday or so? 2019-03-27 16-58-59 PDT Nathan Johansen https://csrc.nist.gov/CSRC/media/Projects/Usable-Cybersecurity/images-media… 2019-05-15 14-32-51 PDT Nathan Johansen The only reason I was interested in attempting to produce builds that reach into the past is for certain kinds of older equipment - like that you would find in industry or manufacturing or offices in distant foreign countries. 2019-10-07 15-14-29 PDT Nathan Johansen Sounds good. I'll support you (and periodically whine like a swine from time to time). 2019-10-07 15-26-04 PDT Nathan Johansen Exciting times. Nothing to feel other than good about. 2019-06-08 11-32-32 PDT Nathan Johansen Is that /work/opt in the top level of the build machine? Like, seriously in the / root ? 2019-04-22 11-39-00 PDT Nathan Johansen I'm still getting piles of these errors in my Terminal window: ```( :36398): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 11:29:20.608: gtk_box_gadget_distribute: assertion 'size >= 0' failed in GdlSwitcher``` 2019-10-02 04-51-33 PDT Nathan Johansen Got this in my email today: a new series of publications and discussions that you may also like reading. [ https://www.nist.gov/blogs/cybersecurity-insights/introducing-cybersecurity… ] 2019-05-15 14-28-48 PDT Nathan Johansen Genau. 2019-05-14 13-46-22 PDT Nathan Johansen [ https:// www.npj.com / inkscape / ] 2019-05-01 09-01-21 PDT Nathan Johansen Ought to make placing a port of inkscape back on MacPorts easier to update using their new internal build system. 2019-07-05 16-20-28 PDT Nathan Johansen Want me to do a screen-shot/video thingy as I go? 2019-10-07 15-41-31 PDT Nathan Johansen Gerhard was just getting his in the armored version, I believe. 2019-05-14 14-23-09 PDT Nathan Johansen For 10.13 2019-03-27 16-58-09 PDT Nathan Johansen Like the guidance that NIST offers us: 2019-07-02 12-50-50 PDT Nathan Johansen The latest macOS update to Catalina (10.15 Beta) knocks me out of the game for awhile here. =) 2019-05-14 14-23-02 PDT Nathan Johansen It's building. 2020-04-03 10-03-48 PDT Nathan Johansen People have tablets and cellular telephone and laptops - and are mostly stupid when it comes to design - but Inkscape can fill a huge gap for them to be successful - in the background, when their deliverables are well composed and deterministic. 2019-05-14 13-57-17 PDT Nathan Johansen When you open it, can't you run it in place? 2019-07-05 16-31-30 PDT Nathan Johansen I like your icon theme with the logo, though. =) 2019-09-05 14-24-29 PDT Nathan Johansen I also have public/community libraries in mind. 2019-05-01 08-56-38 PDT Nathan Johansen That left a place that had no way to proceed as it needed both. I expect the sane dependency may exist for other platforms? 2019-10-07 15-17-28 PDT Nathan Johansen Want me to suck up the open clip art thingy and place it some where private for a moment? Just send me something that will work as a script and I can run out out of two facilities to ensure that it is preserved. 2019-07-05 16-37-08 PDT Nathan Johansen Tschuss! Schön nacht. 2019-05-01 09-54-02 PDT Nathan Johansen And I think there is a way to turn them all on at once. I read it once in the documentation that there were certain things that could be more globally applicable, so perhaps that is one of them provided as a switch. 2019-10-07 15-37-31 PDT Nathan Johansen Clipboard - October 7, 2019 3:37 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/iJr5wrs5jCAS3wB6o/Clipboard%20-%20Oct…) 2019-10-07 15-32-21 PDT Nathan Johansen I love to drive fast! =) 2019-07-02 12-55-03 PDT Nathan Johansen I have a couple of old laptops (Windoze) and wanted to place some Unix variant on it (no idea which, you recommended Ubuntu once, I believe?) and another part of me wants to test running a MacOS like you have done for your virtual development environment, but I haven't done that in several years ... 2019-05-14 14-07-45 PDT Nathan Johansen Yep, that one was set for 10.14 - how low do you want me to go? 10.10 ? 2020-04-03 10-01-38 PDT Nathan Johansen Not simply due to my decades living in Frankfurt and being "German", but moreover to your dedication to keeping the project accessible to all - no matter what they have as a computing device to work with - but let's let that go and continue with a fresh breath. 2019-07-02 12-56-23 PDT Nathan Johansen The handful of other software wasn't too bad - only about eight or nine things which mostly deal with printing and document creation that I seldom have need to keep around anymore. 2019-10-07 15-07-43 PDT Nathan Johansen If so, let me know your number and I'll send you $100. Not that I have that to send, but I don't want you being left alone in all that you've done ... I love what you've achieved. =) 2019-05-15 14-27-26 PDT Nathan Johansen Or down to 10.10 ... ? 2019-09-09 09-17-10 PDT Nathan Johansen Just got off the telephone with Apple. 2019-05-14 14-08-02 PDT Nathan Johansen One step down. 2019-09-05 14-35-02 PDT Nathan Johansen Makes sense. 2019-06-08 11-19-48 PDT Nathan Johansen ```[ 88%] Generating inkscape-version.cpp revision is 3ee898118e, 2019-06-08 [ 88%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/inkscape_base.dir/inkscape-version.cpp.o [ 89%] Linking CXX shared library ../lib/libinkscape_base.dylib ld: framework not found -lCocoa clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) make[2]: *** [lib/libinkscape_base.dylib] Error 1 make[1]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/inkscape_base.dir/all] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 ``` 2019-10-07 15-25-36 PDT Nathan Johansen Oder auch auf English 2019-05-01 09-29-52 PDT Nathan Johansen After that, my Portfiles list will be a hairy mess. 2019-08-08 12-49-39 PDT Nathan Johansen It continues to exhibit the strange GUI focus-shifting behavior upon launch that seems to not enable the menu bar (File, Edit, View, etc.) to be touched and activated with the pointer or keyboard-combinations. But if I switch focus to the launching "Terminal" window, then back to the GUI window, it resets somehow and those pull-downs and menus work once further. 2019-05-14 14-18-33 PDT Nathan Johansen ```commit 74287e0f0f2ed09c57e969c396fa59b1986ad3f4 Author: Tavmjong Bah Date: Tue May 14 13:59:03 2019 +0200``` 2019-04-18 07-05-50 PDT Nathan Johansen Hm. 2019-05-01 09-23-36 PDT Nathan Johansen ```$ ls -la libgdk_pixbuf* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 128072 May 1 05:41 libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.0.dylib lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 25 May 1 05:41 libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.dylib -> libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.0.dylib -rwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 73604 May 1 05:41 libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.0.dylib lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 30 May 1 05:41 libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.dylib -> libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.0.dylib``` 2019-03-27 16-33-44 PDT Nathan Johansen But it was an instructive point that could have benefit for others. I think that the Inkscape development was looking for a file iconv.h that was in that directory which contained the orphaned `*` thing from an older version of MySQL. So it does have applicability. 2019-05-14 13-56-35 PDT Nathan Johansen I believe that one may have been made for 10.14 ... I don't recall. It was HOURS ago ... Hahaha. 2019-07-02 12-58-56 PDT Nathan Johansen It is pretty, and wonderfully fast. The `Terminal` now uses `zsh` as the default shell, so that has some neat new features. 2019-07-02 12-51-55 PDT Nathan Johansen And if there's anything useful I can do for you, just let me know. I'm just reading standards documentation this week. 2019-06-08 11-19-54 PDT Nathan Johansen ;) 2019-07-05 16-33-31 PDT Nathan Johansen It quit bouncing up and down ... 2019-09-05 14-08-06 PDT Nathan Johansen Just got back. I have a few hours before my next appointment. 2019-10-07 15-15-06 PDT Nathan Johansen (You're doing good.) 2019-05-15 14-22-39 PDT Nathan Johansen I had it at 10.8 and it works. 2019-10-07 15-31-33 PDT Nathan Johansen It is not like they are paying us a fortune to do what is best. 2019-05-01 09-39-56 PDT Nathan Johansen And I'll be here like, "Oh? Well, that's useful to know. Where is that documented?" 2019-05-15 13-47-50 PDT Nathan Johansen (mostly.) 2019-04-18 07-05-48 PDT Nathan Johansen Three?! 2019-05-15 12-47-02 PDT Nathan Johansen [ https://npj.com/inkscape/x8/ ] 2019-05-14 14-15-21 PDT Nathan Johansen How do I roll it back one version? 2019-05-18 11-02-21 PDT Nathan Johansen Going to watch the drama with Kurz resigning - little prick. 2019-05-02 14-22-34 PDT Nathan Johansen https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues/84#note_165963901 2019-06-13 10-28-36 PDT René de Hesselle (My build machine is 10.13.6 and will stay that way.) 2019-10-07 15-26-08 PDT René de Hesselle I need to keep flexing the English-muscle ;-) 2019-05-01 09-15-52 PDT René de Hesselle I'm interested in the linked-in libraries. Can you do `otool -L` on the `libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.0.dylib` file? 2019-03-27 16-34-08 PDT René de Hesselle Once we have the result, we post it back there. 2019-05-14 13-54-43 PDT René de Hesselle I see it did not create an app yet, but it's a start! And all the "fun" with relocating libs and stuff... I understand the cpack thing is a module/extension to cmake? 2019-09-08 12-23-57 PDT René de Hesselle Let's hope there's at least one guy out there who uses 10.9 so all the work isn't for nothing ;-) 2019-05-01 08-54-12 PDT René de Hesselle Oh... I'm sensing a big misunderstanding... I am not using MacPorts to build Inkscape. 2019-05-01 08-56-01 PDT René de Hesselle I'm checking my `config.log` right now 2019-05-01 08-56-26 PDT René de Hesselle I find things like this confusing: ``` USE_X11_FALSE='' USE_X11_TRUE='#' VERSION='2.36.12' ``` 2019-03-27 17-07-52 PDT René de Hesselle Result of the scan: No files named `*` in the filesystem. 2019-07-02 12-52-41 PDT René de Hesselle I think I followed RocketChat's documentation, but the website looks a bit different than I remember: https://rocket.chat/docs/installation/manual-installation/centos/ 2019-03-27 16-47-28 PDT René de Hesselle 6.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/SzP6GBTywoc4TEfYk/6.png) 2019-03-27 16-34-43 PDT René de Hesselle I just did this. 2019-05-14 13-49-27 PDT René de Hesselle Downloading... 2019-07-05 16-19-54 PDT René de Hesselle (I'm posting this here to not have it "in the wild" since it looks official) 2019-10-07 15-25-24 PDT René de Hesselle So many things going through my mind right now... hard to put it all into words. Probably time to slowly bring this day to an end 2019-04-14 10-29-58 PDT René de Hesselle I'll keep my fingers crossed, success is a good reward and motivator 2019-07-02 12-54-40 PDT René de Hesselle You're running Catalina? How is Gatekeeper doing? Are there scary warnings for non-notarized apps yet? 2019-09-08 12-22-03 PDT René de Hesselle Ganz Toll! :-) 2019-09-05 14-09-32 PDT René de Hesselle I don't know that site. But RocketChat, Mattermost, Slack, Discord, ... there are a lot of tools out there built on top of the same stack, so they look alike. 2019-05-15 13-59-39 PDT René de Hesselle I haven't dwelled into all the available tools yet, so "maybe". But "PacketLogger" sounds a lot like network-only stuff. 2019-07-05 16-32-31 PDT René de Hesselle And I do have an app that puts a logo onto a "disk image"-looking template. 2019-05-14 14-14-39 PDT René de Hesselle I wished Apple/Microsoft/... would stop doing major releases so often. 2019-03-27 16-50-34 PDT René de Hesselle And if you're still scared, download the trial version of [SuperDuper!](https://shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html), clone your disk to another one and try it with clone first. 2019-05-01 08-58-38 PDT René de Hesselle Can you do a `otool -L` on your `libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.0.dylib` to check if there is a really a X11 lib in there? 2019-05-14 13-59-34 PDT René de Hesselle But that's just a step along the way. 2019-04-18 06-58-41 PDT René de Hesselle Feel free to post them into #team_devel_mac , I'll try to reproduce and create issues for them. 2019-09-05 14-29-45 PDT René de Hesselle I think you should discuss that with the Vectors team, because that is exactly what they do concern themselves with: community outreach etc. 2019-03-28 06-46-44 PDT René de Hesselle You'll have to excuse me, I'm not _really here_. I'm still at work, between meetings, I cannot engage in longer conversations just yet. 2019-03-27 16-42-26 PDT René de Hesselle 4.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/xNBys2tpxA8hc949m/4.png) 2019-05-02 14-41-09 PDT René de Hesselle I thought he had that covered since he answered your question about `port selfupdate` that it's all up to date... maybe next time ;-) 2019-07-02 13-09-26 PDT René de Hesselle No, what is DW? 2019-10-07 15-35-00 PDT René de Hesselle Keep it! Usually priceless because of the facial expression or the bad quality of the photo or both :D 2019-04-23 11-06-06 PDT René de Hesselle I noticed some of them were win32 specific, the rest of them either depend on some package or library 2019-07-05 16-25-12 PDT René de Hesselle (If it doesn't work, I won't be doing anything about it today anyway, it's time to go to sleep. Maybe with a smile. ;-)) 2019-05-15 13-47-15 PDT René de Hesselle If you keep at it, the interesting thing to find out is if cmake/cpack/... can take of this for you (I think you mentioned an option name like "movable ... something") or if you have to do it on your own. 2019-09-08 12-21-55 PDT René de Hesselle So all the hours I tried going for 10.9 are not in vain... although I didn't do it right the first time 2019-09-08 12-23-23 PDT René de Hesselle Technically we could, but then we would need to make different releases for different OS versions, and we don't want that. Luckily signing doesn't hurt on older OSes. 2019-05-14 13-58-37 PDT René de Hesselle You can delete it. 2019-06-16 13-58-33 PDT René de Hesselle That's easy to do: go to #team_devel_mac channel, open search and type `iconv` there. It'll show you all the messages. (I just did it, but you'll know best the one that you're looking for.) There are messages with symlinking something, with using `iconv.h` from MacPorts but the `.dylib` from macOS ... I'm pretty sure you'll find what you're looking for. 2019-04-18 07-00-05 PDT René de Hesselle If it's a lot of text, maybe use something like pastebin. But, yes, use the block tick marks (three backticks). 2019-07-06 01-49-07 PDT René de Hesselle This is what I get on Mojave. Notice the difference in the icon, also the last message says "Apple scanned this for malware and didn't find any". 2019-07-02 12-58-57 PDT René de Hesselle Maybe once allow it full disc access and than it's not supposed to bother you anymore. 2019-05-02 14-31-11 PDT René de Hesselle His last screenshot showed that MacPorts installation was successfull and `/opt/local/bin/inkscape` is there, so I'm working with that for now. 2019-05-01 09-50-06 PDT René de Hesselle You are ~~cheating~~ working efficiently. There you go ;-) 2019-06-08 11-59-10 PDT René de Hesselle It last ran an hour ago, see https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/pipelines/65327907 2019-07-05 16-30-59 PDT René de Hesselle My guess was "won't be that slow when moved to the app folder". Because the dmg uses strong compression. (I've only glanced over this, I might be wrong.) 2019-09-09 09-18-52 PDT René de Hesselle Any mind-blowing news? ;-) 2019-05-01 09-00-26 PDT René de Hesselle Don't mind the weird paths, I used the one from the bundle 2019-05-01 09-26-51 PDT René de Hesselle Ok, that's what the variants look like. I'm guessing `libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.0.dylib` is the one with linked-in dependency to X11, the other one is clean of X11. 2019-03-27 16-35-34 PDT René de Hesselle Which results in this 2019-11-23 09-50-21 PST René de Hesselle I'm working on the Catalina permission issue (removal of launch script). As soon as that is done - I'm targeting this evening to create a MR - I'll make a new release. 2019-03-27 17-10-33 PDT René de Hesselle Thanks! Go take care of that `*` ;-) 2019-05-14 14-17-38 PDT René de Hesselle do a `git log`, pick a hash from a commit you like and then `git checkout COMMITHASH` 2019-03-27 16-37-57 PDT René de Hesselle You could try the `rm -i '*'` and answer `n` so you can check that it identifies the file and to make it less scary for you. 2019-07-02 12-57-56 PDT René de Hesselle Linux: I have run Debian for many years and at some point switched to Arch. - Depending on your existing knowledge, Ubuntu is a good choice and no advanced knowledge required. 2019-10-07 15-17-58 PDT René de Hesselle Believe me, I know... When I started working on this, I knew it would take more time than I was imagining. I probably misjudged it by one or two years or so :laughing: 2019-04-18 07-06-01 PDT René de Hesselle Yes, exactly :-) 2019-03-27 16-45-50 PDT René de Hesselle Yeah once I finished typing it, I saw the mistake... give me a second 2019-04-27 07-58-38 PDT René de Hesselle A lot to sort out - that goes for me as well. The fight is not over, we're not done yet. ;-) 2019-03-27 17-09-00 PDT René de Hesselle FYI I'll be off in a few minutes. 2019-07-02 13-06-14 PDT René de Hesselle This week is better, around 20-25 ° C max. Last week was pretty much > 30. 2019-10-07 15-13-04 PDT René de Hesselle To be fair, I haven't asked for a refund for the dev account and don't intend to do so. It was intended as a gift. 2019-05-15 13-52-37 PDT René de Hesselle If you run `sudo opensnoop` (it's likely you have to allow this first by booting into Recovery Mode to enable/exclude it from SIP), every file access happening in the system will be printed to the terminal. Also very useful! 2019-10-07 15-30-15 PDT René de Hesselle Although, in all honesty, I have to admit that I don't like side effects (as in: they piss me off a little) like that. We have quite a few of them and they are all signs of the many things in between that we don't have under control yet. 2019-07-06 01-48-05 PDT René de Hesselle Clipboard - July 6, 2019 10:48 AM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/Zjk9LwsdK6QjR3n6M/Clipboard%20-%20Jul…) 2019-05-01 09-30-51 PDT René de Hesselle "Good" is if you want an X11-free Inkscape and you do not find the `xlib`-pixbuf linked in somewhere. 2019-05-14 13-56-42 PDT René de Hesselle No worries, I would have been shocked if cpack would automagically do everything that we need it to do. 2019-07-05 16-18-47 PDT René de Hesselle https://www.dropbox.com/s/mguj5wl4q8r7c3m/Inkscape.dmg?dl=0 2019-03-27 16-40-44 PDT René de Hesselle I can do it with `sudo` as well if it makes you feel better. 2019-03-27 16-34-37 PDT René de Hesselle 1.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/Lw6hPsnFToRGdh9e3/1.png) 2019-03-27 16-32-19 PDT René de Hesselle Let's use a direct channel so we don't pollute the official one 2019-07-06 01-23-07 PDT René de Hesselle Interesting. I would have expected a message like this: 2019-03-27 16-48-00 PDT René de Hesselle My first attempt was missing the "escape". So it's `find . -type f -name '\*'` 2019-12-04 15-52-37 PST René de Hesselle Let's have a look then. 2019-05-15 13-51-16 PDT René de Hesselle Let me give you the other 50% to that strategy. 2019-04-23 11-04-41 PDT René de Hesselle I'm actually aware of those since Moini told me about that error log. Haven't done anything about them (yet). 2019-04-22 11-40-11 PDT René de Hesselle Also: do you reproducibly get the error when maximizing the Inkscape window? 2019-05-15 14-28-36 PDT René de Hesselle I'm saying .6 only because of the tooling-support for notarization. It will surely run with <10.13.6, but why would someone run not the latest patch of his/her OS? 2019-07-02 12-58-30 PDT René de Hesselle That Terminal: lol! That has to be a bug. (I hope!) 2019-07-05 16-35-53 PDT René de Hesselle Don't stop what you're doing because of me, I'll be off in a few minutes. 2019-05-14 13-58-53 PDT René de Hesselle No, it does not run. All binaries have hard-coded paths to libraries that are not there. 2019-06-13 10-21-15 PDT René de Hesselle In order to really help you, I need to repeat the steps and build process that you are using. If you haven't already, focus on putting all your build commands into a shellscript that can take you from zero to your current state. "From zero" is a clean macOS installation with only Xcode CLI and e.g. MacPorts, but nothing else. Start using that shellscript yourself for everything you do (that'll also take care of the testing) and if it runs fine, give it to me. (GitHub or GitLab would be a good place if we end up working on it.) 2019-10-07 15-14-09 PDT René de Hesselle Thank you for your kind words. 2019-05-02 14-32-53 PDT René de Hesselle Hm since he didn't ask for a specific way (with/without X11) my first try is to do it the easiest. And that is sticking with the instructions. 2019-05-14 14-11-53 PDT René de Hesselle My thinking was: we'll be very close to 10.15 when Inkscape 1.0 will be released. Although there will always be people who cannot run newer OSes, I'm not going to support anything below 10.13 - that still covers 3 releases. (Also: I'm not going to support an OS that Apple themselves doesn't support. Like Windows: I wouldn't build anything for XP anymore.) The reasons are that I don't have older OS releases available to test and I need at least 10.13 to build and have the tools for signing an notarization. So 10.13 will be my baseline. 2019-07-02 13-20-52 PDT René de Hesselle It's rather quiet when the IRC-RocketChat bridge is not working ;-) 2021-02-12 11-26-41 PST René de Hesselle I've messed around a little, but to no avail. It will take me a lot of time which I don't have right now. 2019-03-27 16-40-30 PDT René de Hesselle Even better. If the file is owned by `root`, you can safely try to delete it with the command above and it will fail because your user does not have permission. 2019-10-07 15-27-41 PDT René de Hesselle We (I) need to know about things like that. 2019-05-01 08-59-17 PDT René de Hesselle Having multiple "versions" or "flavours" of the same thing around is definitely something we want to avoid. 2019-10-07 15-10-28 PDT René de Hesselle Thank you for offering, that is very generous. But I cannot accept it in good conscience. When my dev account runs out next year, I'll apply for one that the Inkscape project pays for. 2019-06-08 11-45-49 PDT René de Hesselle I'm not setting flags or variables myself. Running `cmake` and telling it the path like mentioned above is sufficient. 2019-04-20 10-41-13 PDT René de Hesselle I'm trying to finish up to get a testable release ready that will fix the crash and localization issue. And I'll probably have Python and extensions ready as well. Today I still got 4-5 hours left, tomorrow is family day. 2019-05-15 14-27-33 PDT René de Hesselle I want to start with 10.13.6 being the baseline. Mainly because that's what I use and am comfortable supporting. (As explained yesterday, it's the first release to bring everything we need to support the newest ones.) I want to keep using that as long as possible. 2019-03-27 16-37-12 PDT René de Hesselle A symbolic link is like an ordinary file in regards to this situation. 2019-05-15 14-20-50 PDT René de Hesselle That makes me remember my times of fixing other people's computers. Often not that fun. And they don't really grasp how much love and effort and time one has to put into fixing things. 2019-10-07 15-31-42 PDT René de Hesselle Yes, we have progress after all. And still some road ahead. 2019-05-14 13-58-14 PDT René de Hesselle My build machine is 10.13.6, right. I will keep it at this version for as long as possible, hoping to provide at least a bit of support for older operating systems. 2019-07-02 13-20-39 PDT René de Hesselle No worries, I'm chilling. 2019-07-05 16-30-04 PDT René de Hesselle Running from the dmg on my test machine, it took quite some time until it launched. 2019-03-27 16-36-27 PDT René de Hesselle And remove like this 2019-07-05 16-35-10 PDT René de Hesselle Ok. Thank you for trying though. I'll set up Catalina on an external HDD sometime soon to check things out. 2019-05-15 14-38-39 PDT René de Hesselle For me, it comes down to a matter of time and resources. Since I've started weeks ago, I've been putting 100% of my spare time into Inkscape. If it wasn't fun, it would be more like a second job than a hobby. - So I have to prioritize. And yes, I do want to (have the power) decide a few things as well. I'm trying to use it wisely by not ruling out everything I don't like or can't do right form the start, but it has to wait. 2019-09-08 12-20-52 PDT René de Hesselle I got in contact with GIMP's mac guy and got some valuable tips ;-). 2019-05-15 13-46-08 PDT René de Hesselle Sorry, haven't checked yet 2019-07-02 12-59-54 PDT René de Hesselle What does `python -version` give you? I know they're sticking with Python 2 (now marked as deprecated), but have they updated it to 2.7.16 or something? 2019-10-07 15-14-01 PDT René de Hesselle If there comes a time that I can't or don't want to invest time and/or money any more, I will be upfront about it. 2019-05-01 09-42-05 PDT René de Hesselle You lost me there. You mean you can switch on all the `DWITH` settings at once? 2019-04-14 10-24-50 PDT René de Hesselle I'm currently investigating which files are missing from the bundle that cause Inkscape to crash when opening/closing files (also: missing localization). It's stuff that usually resides in `/var/share`. I haven't looked into extensions (and the Python they require) yet. 2019-05-15 13-58-37 PDT René de Hesselle Hm... napping... :-) 2019-07-05 16-32-13 PDT René de Hesselle Yeah I've seen similar things with other apps, so I wanted that as well. 2019-03-27 16-44-55 PDT René de Hesselle Oh wait, let me try that first... 2019-07-05 16-41-11 PDT René de Hesselle Thank you! Gute Nacht! :crescent_moon: 2019-06-08 11-46-40 PDT René de Hesselle The exception being `MAKEFLAGS`, I'm setting that to use all available cores to compile. But not `CFLAGS`, `LDFLAGS` or the likes. 2019-05-01 09-29-41 PDT René de Hesselle No longer necessary. When we were talking earlier about which version is used, I thought it came down to looking inside the library. But MacPorts builds different libraries, so if your Inkscape uses the `xlib`-pixbuf, that's the way to tell. 2019-05-15 14-09-30 PDT René de Hesselle Things like `strace` or `dtrace` (well, where available) are on the todo-list as well... We won't run out of todos for the foreseeable future. 2019-06-08 11-28-06 PDT René de Hesselle I have not encountered that error. When my build environment is set up (in `/work/opt`), I specify it as `CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH` and that's it. 2019-06-08 11-35-49 PDT René de Hesselle Yes, it is - by choice (it is configurable). I need a fixed path that is not user-dependent so the build toolset can be zipped and extracted. 2019-10-07 15-15-03 PDT René de Hesselle And yelling. Don't forget the yelling :D (I do... computers are so mean...) 2019-06-08 11-28-40 PDT René de Hesselle Also, did you play around or something? I don't believe Inkscape builds against Cocoa at all. 2019-03-27 17-13-10 PDT René de Hesselle ...yeah that's how it works. ;-) 2019-06-08 11-44-41 PDT René de Hesselle You can read the readme here: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/tree/master/packaging/macos If you want to try it, do it step by step (despite the readme saying to use `build_all.sh`) by running the scripts with a prefix > 100 in order, one after another. I haven't written a more user-friendly documentation yet. 2019-10-07 15-27-31 PDT René de Hesselle Don't be hard on yourself, that's not whining. 2019-04-22 11-39-53 PDT René de Hesselle I'm getting various warnings/errors as well. I'll check if they are the same as the ones you're getting. 2019-03-27 17-07-01 PDT René de Hesselle Yes, it does. 2019-03-27 16-36-35 PDT René de Hesselle 3.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/ASMfcEZrD2aJssfPv/3.png) 2019-03-27 16-35-29 PDT René de Hesselle 2.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/jWtNit4iCPaTke34Y/2.png) 2019-03-27 17-08-45 PDT René de Hesselle No symlinks either. 2019-07-02 12-51-37 PDT René de Hesselle You want to run your own RocketChat server? - I have done this once at work, but on Linux. I haven't read Inkscape's documentation 2019-05-01 09-16-12 PDT René de Hesselle That (always) tells you the truth 2019-03-27 17-06-41 PDT René de Hesselle Sorry I did not get that you wanted me to run that across the whole filesystem. Running now. I expect zero results. 2019-03-27 16-44-18 PDT René de Hesselle Quotes are the (most important!) key here. 2019-06-17 10-28-42 PDT René de Hesselle Glad you found it. 2019-10-07 15-30-23 PDT René de Hesselle It'll be a slow uphill battle to get it all sorted. 2019-05-15 14-31-50 PDT René de Hesselle Maybe we can start supporting even older releases like 10.12 ... at a later point, I won't rule that out just yet. But I definitely don't want to look / invest time in that now. Because that is - I'm sorry to say - catering to a ~~very~~ small group of people and they do not come first on the priority list. 2019-07-05 16-23-47 PDT René de Hesselle Maybe later if you encounter issues. For now, just have fun, I don't want to cause you too much trouble 2019-05-01 09-00-15 PDT René de Hesselle Mine is ``` libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.0.dylib: @executable_path/../Resources//lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 3613.0.0, current version 3613.0.0) @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libgmodule-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 5801.0.0, current version 5801.3.0) @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libgio-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 5801.0.0, current version 5801.3.0) @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libgobject-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 5801.0.0, current version 5801.3.0) @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libglib-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version 5801.0.0, current version 5801.3.0) @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libintl.9.dylib (compatibility version 11.0.0, current version 11.4.0) @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libpng16.16.dylib (compatibility version 51.0.0, current version 51.0.0) @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libz.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.2.11) /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation (compatibility version 150.0.0, current version 1560.12.0) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1252.200.5) ``` 2019-04-18 07-06-16 PDT René de Hesselle multi-line code block 2019-03-27 17-07-17 PDT René de Hesselle Finding those files or links is not a harmful operation, try it yourself. 2019-05-15 13-48-15 PDT René de Hesselle Yeah I see it coming that at some point I'll have to learn (at least a bit of) cmake :smile: 2019-05-01 08-57-16 PDT René de Hesselle I have no x11 libs in the build system. 2019-03-27 16-44-02 PDT René de Hesselle Since root is allowed to do anything, yes that works exactly like that. 2019-05-01 08-50-07 PDT René de Hesselle Interesting. Let me check my gdk-pixbuf 2019-03-27 16-43-12 PDT René de Hesselle 5.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/Z7zDxJ6vBAPtHSEyB/5.png) 2019-12-04 15-52-48 PST René de Hesselle If it's a bug, we put it into an issue 2019-05-15 14-34-06 PDT René de Hesselle You are not wrong doing so. If it is easily doable, keeping legacy support (without hindering new developments) is a good thing. 2019-07-02 13-10-36 PDT René de Hesselle WOW - I'm reading news everyday, how did that *not* make it to the headlines? 2019-07-03 05-10-41 PDT René de Hesselle Not for compiling since I won't be using 10.15 to build - but I need to check the gtk launch script. Can you check: `bash` is still available on Catalina, but no longer the default shell - or have they completely removed it? (Is `/bin/sh` still there?)

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2021-02-14 13-36-58 PST Martin Owens Yes 2021-02-14 13-07-01 PST Martin Owens :laughing: 2021-02-14 12-54-07 PST Martin Owens I can talk here about my work with some other small companies who have made the switch. 2021-02-14 12-54-45 PST Martin Owens I'm a contractor, and I modify Inkscape for businesses that want to use Inkscape in their workplaces. Different industries, different features or fixes needed. 2021-02-14 13-00-50 PST Martin Owens It depends what you need. Developers like myself have patreons for generic help like mine here https://patreon.com/doctormo but if you want someonthing specific, then working with me could help you get tools that work for your business. 2021-02-14 13-04-33 PST Martin Owens I see, do you have the Illustrator keyboard shortcuts? 2021-02-14 13-04-45 PST Martin Owens For the 1.1 release. 2021-02-14 13-06-31 PST Martin Owens You can support my work via paypal if you have that, doctormo(a)geek-2.com if that's what you want to do. 2021-02-14 13-08-03 PST Martin Owens Ah! you are a wise investor in open source. :-) 2021-02-14 13-09-44 PST Martin Owens In English "what comes around, goes around" 2021-02-14 13-10-22 PST Martin Owens That's true, I wish we had a better organised developer pool to be honest. 2021-02-14 13-11-22 PST Martin Owens Not supporting your suppliers is not wise. This is called "The tragedy of the commons" 2021-02-14 13-12-49 PST Martin Owens It is also culture. 2021-02-14 13-18-08 PST Martin Owens Sure, you can send me a file, please explain how you'd like me to help you. 2021-02-14 13-22-15 PST Martin Owens I believe you can do this with the spacebar in Inkscape. 2021-02-14 13-22-47 PST Martin Owens Do you need training for Inkscape to see if it will work for you? 2021-02-14 13-28-20 PST Martin Owens These tutorials are good https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w 2021-02-14 13-37-08 PST Martin Owens I'm programming Inkscape, sorry for the delay getting back to you. 2021-02-14 13-37-58 PST Martin Owens The welcome screen has the keyboard shortcuts selection, and you can also set modifier keys to be more like Illustrator too. Although this work isn't completed yet, it should make it easier for a transition. 2021-02-14 13-40-09 PST Martin Owens So you want a duplicate instead of a stamper, Ctrl+D will duplicate. 2021-02-14 13-41-17 PST Martin Owens Duplicate is a copy, it's just a different workflow. 2021-02-14 13-43-27 PST Martin Owens There's no automatic tool for that yet, you can align the objects after they've been created, but it's less quick. 2021-02-14 13-46-31 PST Martin Owens Small screen, if you have 1.1 you can try the compact theme I included called "Minwaita" 2021-02-14 13-49-18 PST Martin Owens Edit > Preferences > Interface > Themeing > Change GTK Theme 2021-02-14 13-52-37 PST Martin Owens Ah, then it looks like you have an older version without the theme, perhaps the alpha0 2021-02-14 13-54-11 PST Martin Owens Yes, you are going to the releases website page right, this is older version 2021-02-14 13-54-22 PST Martin Owens what operating system? 2021-02-14 13-55-12 PST Martin Owens Does this one work? https://inkscape.org/release/inkscape-master/mac-os-x/dmg/dl/ 2021-02-14 13-56-15 PST Martin Owens Overright I think, although macOS isn't my os 2021-02-14 14-07-54 PST Martin Owens OK, so that's an older release, not up to date. 2021-02-14 14-09-16 PST Martin Owens Try this one https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/jobs/1028304779/artifacts/browse/art… 2021-02-14 14-49-15 PST Martin Owens OK, thanks for letting me know, this feature is very new. 2021-02-16 04-03-21 PST Martin Owens Have you joined the macOs developer channel or the testing channels? 2021-02-16 04-03-32 PST Martin Owens I think those are the two best places for test results on macOS 2021-02-14 12-59-02 PST aleksandar :) 2021-02-14 13-36-25 PST aleksandar _ 2021-02-14 13-48-37 PST aleksandar btw 2021-02-14 13-30-32 PST aleksandar ago 2021-02-14 13-56-14 PST aleksandar let's try 2021-02-16 03-00-33 PST aleksandar hi 2021-02-14 13-29-46 PST aleksandar thanks 2021-02-14 13-40-40 PST aleksandar no no 2021-02-14 13-04-48 PST aleksandar no 2021-02-14 14-00-43 PST aleksandar file 2021-02-14 13-54-27 PST aleksandar bigSur 2021-02-14 13-39-05 PST aleksandar for example 2021-02-14 13-26-04 PST aleksandar anything 2021-02-14 12-59-16 PST aleksandar thanks 2021-02-14 14-11-50 PST aleksandar installing 2021-02-14 14-08-06 PST aleksandar never mind 2021-02-14 13-44-19 PST aleksandar mastering 2021-02-14 13-46-54 PST aleksandar i have 2021-02-14 13-03-25 PST aleksandar of course 2021-02-14 13-39-19 PST aleksandar using space 2021-02-14 13-51-42 PST aleksandar and win32 2021-02-14 13-42-06 PST aleksandar but 2021-02-14 13-43-44 PST aleksandar i see 2021-02-14 13-48-40 PST aleksandar :) 2021-02-14 13-36-32 PST aleksandar ? 2021-02-14 12-59-36 PST aleksandar so what you have in mind 2021-02-14 12-59-48 PST aleksandar see i tried to draw something 2021-02-14 13-00-08 PST aleksandar in latest develepment version of ink 2021-02-14 13-00-16 PST aleksandar and it is damned good 2021-02-14 13-01-03 PST aleksandar the fact that i cannot use it is problem of my brain wired to different 15 years practice 2021-02-14 13-02-39 PST aleksandar i actually do have a illustrator 2021-02-14 13-02-47 PST aleksandar but i want to change it 2021-02-14 13-02-55 PST aleksandar i shall support your work 2021-02-14 13-03-13 PST aleksandar i cannot wire my CC to monthly support 2021-02-14 13-03-22 PST aleksandar but you'll get some support 2021-02-14 13-04-54 PST aleksandar just a question 2021-02-14 13-05-01 PST aleksandar on your web site 2021-02-14 13-05-13 PST aleksandar you have support fee 2021-02-14 13-05-24 PST aleksandar i'd like to help now with 50$ 2021-02-14 13-05-29 PST aleksandar but just once 2021-02-14 13-06-05 PST aleksandar i do not buy on credit :) 2021-02-14 13-06-46 PST aleksandar (this will be silliest spent money in my life) 2021-02-14 13-26-59 PST aleksandar but macBook Pro's superb touchpad and sophisticated 2021-02-14 13-07-42 PST aleksandar but i supported firefox in 2008 and Ubuntu in 2011 2021-02-14 13-08-03 PST aleksandar and i did not regret 2021-02-14 13-08-43 PST aleksandar no i just admired them in their understand of the life 2021-02-14 13-09-28 PST aleksandar do good and uncertain future will reward gooness 2021-02-14 13-09-50 PST aleksandar you might be fraud .. but who cares 2021-02-14 13-10-18 PST aleksandar i know more than 50 owners of the software companies 2021-02-14 13-10-29 PST aleksandar bigger than me 2021-02-14 13-10-49 PST aleksandar but no of them ever suported any community 2021-02-14 13-11-37 PST aleksandar but usage is important 2021-02-14 13-11-57 PST aleksandar my brother is superb programmer in dassault 2021-02-14 13-12-31 PST aleksandar and he needed 3 yeas to be convinced to use thunderbird instead of outlook 2021-02-14 13-13-15 PST aleksandar no - he wants to pay 2021-02-14 13-13-46 PST aleksandar and it is good, but as soon as i explained the essence of office 365 2021-02-14 13-14-00 PST aleksandar he had switched 2021-02-14 13-14-07 PST aleksandar this is what i want to try 2021-02-14 13-14-11 PST aleksandar the problem is 2021-02-14 13-14-22 PST aleksandar my money is cheap 2021-02-14 13-14-31 PST aleksandar but my time is expensive 2021-02-14 13-15-02 PST aleksandar can i send here a file 2021-02-14 13-15-23 PST aleksandar to explain what should be done in 60 minutes 2021-02-14 13-16-25 PST aleksandar not this 60 minutes 2021-02-14 13-16-37 PST aleksandar but from start to end 2021-02-14 13-20-16 PST aleksandar this is for example scenario that had to be completed in an hour 2021-02-14 13-19-38 PST aleksandar https://daikin-hce.com/cms_upload/uploads/dsapp_scenario.pdf 2021-02-14 13-20-35 PST aleksandar (of course far right illustration is 3d model) 2021-02-14 13-21-46 PST aleksandar very important is option(alt) + drag duplicate 2021-02-14 13-22-05 PST aleksandar and control of the radius 2021-02-14 13-22-49 PST aleksandar so i did this real-time on the meeting 2021-02-14 13-23-09 PST aleksandar in 50 minutes with all details 2021-02-14 13-23-22 PST aleksandar so my question 2021-02-14 13-24-01 PST aleksandar is how to practice line control, object control 2021-02-14 13-24-16 PST aleksandar do you have some refenence guides 2021-02-14 13-26-00 PST aleksandar i need a book, a reference guide, a tutorial 2021-02-14 13-26-17 PST aleksandar i do not use a mouse 2021-02-14 13-27-19 PST aleksandar touch controls 2021-02-14 13-28-00 PST aleksandar for example corel's magnificent right click while drag to copy cannot work 2021-02-14 13-28-22 PST aleksandar but illustrators option+drag works perfectly 2021-02-14 13-30-08 PST aleksandar i shall do my best to learn this 2021-02-14 13-30-29 PST aleksandar i'm 45 so it is not so fast as it was 25 years age 2021-02-14 13-30-58 PST aleksandar but my next work will be i inkscape 2021-02-14 13-34-10 PST aleksandar how can i load illustrators shortcuts (i have an option on startup) 2021-02-14 13-36-24 PST aleksandar аре зоу хере 2021-02-14 13-36-38 PST aleksandar are you here 2021-02-14 13-38-58 PST aleksandar i can provide you feedback 2021-02-14 13-39-15 PST aleksandar i tried right now to copy object 2021-02-14 13-39-44 PST aleksandar but it is not clear how to keep original in place 2021-02-14 13-40-50 PST aleksandar i want to copy object 2021-02-14 13-42-00 PST aleksandar i understand 2021-02-14 13-42-42 PST aleksandar if i need quickly 5 equidistant copies inline 2021-02-14 13-43-57 PST aleksandar this reuires matering of the distribute command 2021-02-14 13-44-15 PST aleksandar this requires ... 2021-02-14 13-44-45 PST aleksandar i have swithced to another computer with different keyboard 2021-02-14 13-45-28 PST aleksandar and ... how to get interface as on the tutorial? 2021-02-14 13-46-02 PST aleksandar i have some default very hard to fit in screen 2021-02-14 13-47-18 PST aleksandar 1.1-dev (9017afb, 2021-01-01) 2021-02-14 13-48-07 PST aleksandar where to find Minwaita 2021-02-14 13-48-18 PST aleksandar of course i shall use it 2021-02-14 13-48-33 PST aleksandar i started to like the ink 2021-02-14 13-49-50 PST aleksandar i dont have it 2021-02-14 13-50-08 PST aleksandar i have an option but not yours 2021-02-14 13-51-19 PST aleksandar There is default Adwalta 2021-02-14 13-51-28 PST aleksandar HighContrast 2021-02-14 13-51-37 PST aleksandar HighContrast something 2021-02-14 13-52-58 PST aleksandar i'll install newer 2021-02-14 13-53-04 PST aleksandar this ws available today 2021-02-14 13-53-14 PST aleksandar see version upthere 2021-02-14 13-54-34 PST aleksandar from yesterday :) 2021-02-14 13-54-58 PST aleksandar 11.2 (20D64) 2021-02-14 13-55-45 PST aleksandar do i need to uninstal 2021-02-14 13-55-55 PST aleksandar or just overwrite 2021-02-14 13-56-47 PST aleksandar i am installing 2021-02-14 13-56-53 PST aleksandar but it appears as the same file 2021-02-14 14-00-38 PST aleksandar here it is .. 2021-02-14 14-00-41 PST aleksandar it is the same 2021-02-14 14-01-23 PST aleksandar 1.1-dev (9017afb, 2021-01-01) 2021-02-14 14-08-18 PST aleksandar so at he end of the day 2021-02-14 14-08-33 PST aleksandar 1. i shall try to use ink 2021-02-14 14-08-48 PST aleksandar 2. i shall contribute sybolical 50$ 2021-02-14 14-09-15 PST aleksandar 3. i'll try not to use illustrator 1 month 2021-02-14 14-12-06 PST aleksandar why the files replication is so slow 2021-02-14 14-13-37 PST aleksandar btw ... you are cool guy 2021-02-14 14-18-05 PST aleksandar the same themes inside 2021-02-16 03-01-16 PST aleksandar does somebody of developers need feedback from macOS 10.15.7

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2019-05-01 09-48-57 PDT Nathan Johansen But I might know what to recommend considering further. 2019-05-01 09-47-54 PDT Nathan Johansen I just read the man pages and try to solve simple problems. 2019-05-01 09-58-02 PDT Nathan Johansen Perhaps at a cost of wisdom ... but, go on. I'm listening. =) 2019-05-01 09-47-27 PDT Nathan Johansen If I were skillful at it I would charge for my time. 2019-04-19 06-08-10 PDT Nathan Johansen I've got a conference call between London and New York City, so I'm busy with that. As for your design, and other issues, there are ways of learning how to use Inkscape and asking for general help available, if you're patient or want to take time to figure out a few tasks by watching some YouTube tutorials - if you'd like a link to that? 2019-05-01 09-57-42 PDT Nathan Johansen I must do it for the love of knowledge. 2019-05-01 09-57-17 PDT Nathan Johansen Because I cannot plausibly have anything better to do than engage in whatever it is for the hope of earring a nickel. 2019-04-19 06-12-54 PDT Nathan Johansen Just watching how they work and use various tools should help give you an idea of how to begin. I'll be back in several hours ... =) 2019-04-19 06-11-30 PDT Nathan Johansen https://youtu.be/VdPTYMuR_r4 2019-05-01 09-55-35 PDT Nathan Johansen That sounds fun. I have not made one yet. It looks complicated toward the end where you want to deploy it for customers. 2019-04-19 06-16-06 PDT Nathan Johansen (You can subscribe to or look through both of those links at some of their further tutorials and presentations.) 2019-04-19 06-11-45 PDT Nathan Johansen https://youtu.be/hmaYeZ5iDPo 2019-04-19 06-01-32 PDT Nathan Johansen Oui? =) 2019-05-01 10-12-12 PDT Nathan Johansen Did you think of that on your own!? 2019-05-01 09-56-12 PDT Nathan Johansen There are a lot of good tutorials and resources (and man pages on the command line) to help guide anyone along. 2019-04-19 06-11-28 PDT Nathan Johansen great - give these two a whirl and let me know: 2019-04-19 06-15-01 PDT Nathan Johansen Certainly. Enjoy! 2019-05-01 09-56-45 PDT Nathan Johansen Hahaha. You mean that you want to interrupt me from my ordinary work? 2019-05-01 09-51-15 PDT Ayo It's normal to charge because it is business, i need someone to help develop an App 2019-05-01 09-46-05 PDT Ayo Hello, i'd like to ask you if you are skillful at mobile app development? 2019-05-01 09-58-41 PDT Ayo it is a two way thing, you learn from the process and you earn again and again from the process 2019-04-19 06-11-07 PDT Ayo No problem 2019-04-19 05-50-16 PDT Ayo hello 2019-05-01 10-30-38 PDT Ayo I dont know where you but i am quite sure that ecommerce is the future of trade. You can as well tap into my idea and also implement the scope in your location... 2019-04-19 06-05-11 PDT Ayo can i send it to you? 2019-05-01 09-56-25 PDT Ayo You want to try? 2019-05-01 09-59-17 PDT Ayo This is the scope of the app 2019-05-01 09-56-53 PDT Ayo smiles 2019-05-01 10-29-10 PDT Ayo I need someone on the IT side to work with 2019-05-01 10-00-20 PDT Ayo What i require is more like an ecommerce App. 2019-04-19 06-07-43 PDT Ayo i am still a novice 2019-05-01 09-57-05 PDT Ayo You are surely gonna learn from it 2019-05-01 10-27-44 PDT Ayo Yes... It was my idea 2019-04-19 06-04-57 PDT Ayo can you help me with design? 2019-05-01 10-01-15 PDT Ayo It enables you to place a order for a particular service; with the options of accessing the gps so as to select your location 2019-04-19 06-14-46 PDT Ayo Thanks 2019-05-01 09-46-15 PDT Ayo Good day to you 2019-05-01 10-28-54 PDT Ayo I am not very IT savvy but i have an excellent business acumen

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2020-02-15 14-28-25 PST Nathan Johansen That whole issue is an exercise in how to "follow along" for anyone who notices. =) 2020-02-15 14-25-23 PST Nathan Johansen Sounds like a better use of energy than pressing buttons! ;) 2020-02-13 20-57-24 PST Nathan Johansen To some extent, sure. You're bringing up an important topic, though, so it might be fun to do it in the open for others to see and follow along with when you're ready. 2020-02-15 14-16-31 PST Nathan Johansen Usually it's a few days to a couple weeks behind, given that it needs to be signed. 2020-02-15 14-29-04 PST Nathan Johansen No worries, enjoy your weekend. 2020-02-15 14-20-15 PST Nathan Johansen That's what I just built, anyway ... hahaha. 2020-02-15 14-10-07 PST Nathan Johansen But sure! Let me know where you're at and how to get you where you'd like to be. 2020-02-15 14-28-46 PST Nathan Johansen But it's about nine months old. Mostly still the same notion, though. 2020-02-15 14-27-02 PST Nathan Johansen https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues/84#note_162773683 2020-02-15 15-48-36 PST Nathan Johansen Hmm. Maybe this part of that discussion is closer to having steps you can follow: [ https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues/84#note_165963901 ] 2020-02-15 14-21-17 PST Nathan Johansen Periodically when the master branch is mostly "stable" we'll produce a signed copy for testing so people who aren't building it from scratch can give it a go - been a rough few weeks for major bugs, though. 2020-02-15 14-18-59 PST Nathan Johansen Yep, that one is also: [ 1.1-dev (ddb55ca, 2020-02-02) ] 2020-02-15 14-11-52 PST Nathan Johansen If it's the former, then you'll need to open up "Terminal" and we'll create a "Workspace" folder to grab a copy of the repository, then work on setting up MacPorts with the required dependencies. 2020-02-15 14-20-08 PST Nathan Johansen The one from the git repository today is at: [ revision is c6194022f4, 2020-02-15 ] 2020-02-15 14-15-14 PST Nathan Johansen Umm ... no, that looks like the one. To view that directory listing (from before) just remove the trailing filename and look at the folder, like so: [ https://alpha.inkscape.org/prereleases/ ] 2020-02-15 14-16-44 PST Nathan Johansen I'm download it now to look for you ... 2020-02-13 20-58-26 PST Nathan Johansen Night nite! 2020-02-15 14-25-53 PST Nathan Johansen I think I had instructions on the issue 84 posting I shared earlier, if you read through it. 2020-02-15 14-13-16 PST Nathan Johansen You could also try this one, maybe it has a more recent snapshot: [ https://inkscape.org/release/inkscape-master/mac-os-x/dmg/dl/ ] 2020-02-15 14-15-37 PST Nathan Johansen I don't know what the other link gives you, maybe it is newer. 2020-02-15 14-09-37 PST Nathan Johansen If you want to setup a build environment using MacPorts, that will take time (hours, perhaps), but if you'd like to try a recent (maybe a week or so old) snapshot of the latest development version, you can try this: [ https://alpha.inkscape.org/prereleases/Inkscape-latest.dmg ] 2020-02-15 14-22-44 PST Nathan Johansen I've been doing this for decades, and I like Inkscape, so it's a fun way to keep pace with the cool kids. ;) 2020-02-13 20-57-32 PST Nathan Johansen The learning experience is best when it is shared. 2020-02-15 14-27-15 PST Nathan Johansen That might put you in about the right position of that monster issue. 2020-02-15 14-21-56 PST Nathan Johansen That means building it, sending it off to Apple, having them code sign it, and getting it back, then placing it on the web site. So it takes extra steps to do "properly" ... 2020-02-15 14-25-28 PST Brandon Sandall Haha true! 2020-02-15 14-25-23 PST Brandon Sandall When we get do the MacPorts thing, should we do it in the inkscape_user channel so that others can follow along? 2020-02-15 14-24-59 PST Brandon Sandall That's awesome. I wish I knew more about coding and all that so I could jump in on a project, too. I want to be one of the cool kids, too! haha. Well, one of these days I may want to do the MacPorts thing and get the nightly build on my Mac. My wife just got home, so we are going to go out and have some fun.. maybe play some racquetball. 2020-02-15 14-06-56 PST Brandon Sandall You wouldn't happen to be up for helping me get the latest of the late on my computer, would ya? 2020-02-15 14-26-42 PST Brandon Sandall Oh, gotcha. I hadn't read it in depth. I will try that before bugging you more :smiley: 2020-02-13 20-58-09 PST Brandon Sandall True true. I will keep it over there tomorrow, then. Thanks! G'night! 2020-02-15 14-25-43 PST Brandon Sandall Though, I am a slight nerd.. so I enjoy pressing buttons hehe 2020-02-15 14-11-59 PST Brandon Sandall Let me try that dmg you just shared and see how it is. 2020-02-15 14-20-23 PST Brandon Sandall So, I have the latest without going in and creating a workspace like you were talking about? 2020-02-15 14-13-12 PST Brandon Sandall Is that dmg that you just shared more recent than this - 1.1-dev (ddb55ca, 2020-02-02)? 2020-02-15 14-30-05 PST Brandon Sandall Oh cool. I enjoy doing these kinds of things as I feel I learn some things through it. If I get stuck anywhere, or have questions, I may chat at ya again. Thanks for being so willing to help! 2020-02-15 14-20-39 PST Brandon Sandall Oh goodness... you're making me want to just do it today... haha 2020-02-15 14-18-02 PST Brandon Sandall Maybe a nightly build would be better...? Or maybe I should just be patient and wait for the next signed one haha. I just struggle in the patience arena haha 2020-02-15 14-21-51 PST Brandon Sandall Gotcha. So, who are you and how do you have so much time to help out with this project? The open source world is amazing to me. 2020-02-15 14-30-09 PST Brandon Sandall You too! 2020-02-15 14-16-56 PST Brandon Sandall Oh yeah.. I have been to that site. That's where I got the one that I have now, I believe. 2020-02-15 14-11-46 PST Brandon Sandall Gotcha. Don't know if I have time to setup a build environment today, though that sounds pretty fun. Let me try this latest build here. I am mainly just trying to get Inkscape to function like my Windows 7 PC at work that I put Inkscape on. It is buttery smooth there. I have a Mac and it struggles on here. 2020-02-13 20-56-35 PST Brandon Sandall Would it be better to have a conversation here? That way we aren't bugging others? haha 2020-02-15 14-27-44 PST Brandon Sandall You're awesome! Thanks!

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2021-03-08 17-40-42 PST Lazur ah that one 2021-03-08 17-40-50 PST Lazur which got into the thumbnail 2021-03-08 17-41-29 PST Lazur could've illustrated a camel instead 2021-03-08 17-42-07 PST Lazur so should ve just label a new folder as riskey? 2021-03-08 17-43-28 PST Lazur that could be either the quality or the object so it'd be derogatory if someone's work appeared in such a folder 2021-03-08 17-46-20 PST Lazur one line was the fan art so that we can have the content with unmanageable copyright claims separated 2021-03-08 17-46-36 PST Lazur the other is quality wise 2021-03-08 17-46-48 PST Lazur third one is being it safe for work or not 2021-03-08 17-46-54 PST Lazur and these three are crossing 2021-03-08 17-48-36 PST Lazur not sure if that would work by connecting the artists 2021-03-08 17-48-52 PST Lazur some of those images are close to a decade old 2021-03-08 17-49-19 PST Lazur artists may not care or may not access their profiles anymore 2021-03-08 17-51-11 PST Lazur I'm not sure if that's a good idea changing the artwork/artist of the content 2021-03-08 17-51-31 PST Lazur imho it's better not to accept such images then entirely 2021-03-08 17-51-48 PST Lazur if we accept we shouldn't complain how they are not welcomed 2021-03-08 17-52-19 PST Lazur just keep the other folders safe from skipping through the fancy stuff 2021-03-08 17-53-02 PST Lazur I agree, we can emphasize on which folder to usse for such content 2021-03-08 17-54-19 PST Lazur one can argue if guns should also be handled separately 2021-03-08 17-55-15 PST Lazur one shooting through the head of a Teddy-bear? 2021-03-08 17-55-19 PST Lazur https://www.deviantart.com/jankycc/art/art-and-murder-330076243?q=Inkscaper… 2021-03-08 17-56-28 PST Lazur or a knife with dripping blood 2021-03-08 17-56-43 PST Lazur ok 2021-03-08 17-56-30 PST Lazur https://www.deviantart.com/pdictusmagister/art/Hunting-knife-530782280 2021-03-08 17-56-50 PST Lazur then it's decided 2021-03-08 18-00-56 PST Lazur Does mom want her kids crossing this? https://www.deviantart.com/microugly/art/Emerald-Eyes-44982459?q=Inkscapers… 2021-03-08 18-22-16 PST Lazur ok 2021-03-08 18-22-37 PST Lazur can mom check this folder again if the filter is all right? 2021-03-08 18-23-27 PST Lazur personally I'd hide all of the furry stuff and maybe the mlp doesn't help kids growing up either 2021-03-08 18-22-39 PST Lazur https://www.deviantart.com/inkscapers/gallery/77521754/mature 2021-03-08 18-38-01 PST Lazur ok, now the fan art is filtered too 2021-03-08 18-38-18 PST Lazur only cartoon characters remain 2021-03-08 18-38-45 PST Lazur after that, sorting the "other" category is a big one 2021-03-08 18-39-58 PST Lazur interesting family 2021-03-08 18-40-12 PST Lazur just make sure mom doesn't cross uncle Jim 2021-03-08 18-42-05 PST Lazur I was fortunate enough internet was rising 2021-03-08 17-40-55 PST C.Rogers From my perspective, if the garment is so snug it caves inwards, it's mature. lol 2021-03-08 17-41-25 PST C.Rogers If I can see a bellend on a guy, It's also mature. 2021-03-08 17-41-34 PST C.Rogers Haha 2021-03-08 17-42-27 PST C.Rogers "Questionable" maybe. lol 2021-03-08 17-43-26 PST C.Rogers Seems like a nitpick though. If the primary purpose of the picture is to titillate, it should be mature. 2021-03-08 17-54-03 PST C.Rogers Just a few. 2021-03-08 17-40-19 PST C.Rogers https://www.deviantart.com/dillerkind/art/Sitting-pretty-4-VECTOR-245881476 2021-03-08 17-44-32 PST C.Rogers Well so is "riskey" maybe that would be seen as one worse than mature. Lord knows what people would take that as an invitation to create with Inkscape. 2021-03-08 17-45-00 PST C.Rogers I'd say we just draw a line somewhere. 2021-03-08 17-45-17 PST C.Rogers Though I guess the extra line is the problem here. ;P 2021-03-08 17-46-44 PST C.Rogers Heh, bin them all at the first sign of trouble? lol 2021-03-08 17-47-39 PST C.Rogers Yea. Do we have the ability to mark deviations as mature ourselves? 2021-03-08 17-47-54 PST C.Rogers Or do we need to ask the artists? 2021-03-08 17-49-10 PST C.Rogers Well, old porn is still porn. :) 2021-03-08 17-49-30 PST C.Rogers Sven is pretty active. 2021-03-08 17-49-43 PST C.Rogers posts all the time on facebook. 2021-03-08 17-49-57 PST C.Rogers So that's one of three I could probably influence. 2021-03-08 17-51-06 PST C.Rogers I guess my question is: is it worth it when no one's complained? 2021-03-08 17-52-15 PST C.Rogers Well, I think we can require that potentially mature stuff is tagged correctly. 2021-03-08 17-53-59 PST C.Rogers Most of it seems to be tagged okay. 2021-03-08 17-54-12 PST C.Rogers camels. lol 2021-03-08 17-54-36 PST C.Rogers Depends on the kind of gun. 2021-03-08 17-55-03 PST C.Rogers Well, and if not guns, why swords, or arrows. 2021-03-08 17-55-09 PST C.Rogers Nah. 2021-03-08 17-55-23 PST C.Rogers Too much moderation is bad moderation. :) 2021-03-08 17-55-30 PST C.Rogers Mature content. 2021-03-08 17-56-25 PST C.Rogers Violence, blood, sex, or implied sex, nudity, all mature content. 2021-03-08 17-56-34 PST C.Rogers mature. 2021-03-08 17-57-08 PST C.Rogers Anything mom's not gonna want her kids happening across. 2021-03-08 18-06-13 PST C.Rogers Mom's not worried about that. 2021-03-08 18-07-31 PST C.Rogers Regular clothing = okay. Lingerie, or presenting females (clothed or unclothed) should be considered mature. 2021-03-08 18-32-48 PST C.Rogers Hahaha 2021-03-08 18-38-01 PST C.Rogers Yea, I agree with most of these. 2021-03-08 18-39-27 PST C.Rogers It's looking like uncle Jim's random porno box, which I think is a good sign. 2021-03-08 18-40-36 PST C.Rogers Haha. Or the dumpster out behind an adult magazine shop. 2021-03-08 18-41-12 PST C.Rogers That was my favourite place to acquire forbidden material when I was 12 lol 2021-03-08 18-41-27 PST C.Rogers Before all this internet stuff came around. 2021-03-08 18-44-17 PST C.Rogers Back when a BAUD rate was how fast you could see her bod?

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2021-03-28 07-29-09 PDT sejalkore Hey, I guess you arent working on the dpi changes in export naa? 2021-03-28 07-29-24 PDT sejalkore I was thinking if I could take that up 2021-03-28 07-29-41 PDT sejalkore https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/issues/1274 2021-03-28 09-46-53 PDT sejalkore Alright👐 2021-03-28 07-35-06 PDT SlayerAnsh Yeah sure. I am working on refactoring adding new features in export dialog

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2019-04-19 10-21-50 PDT Nathan Johansen Here are a couple of links to YouTube tutorials that will give you an introduction to Inkscape. Each channel has further videos worth exploring, also: https://youtu.be/VdPTYMuR_r4 and https://youtu.be/hmaYeZ5iDPo

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2021-03-04 06-08-42 PST Anja Andres i am done

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2021-02-13 13-16-58 PST inklinea okay 2021-02-13 13-17-35 PST inklinea :) 2021-02-10 10-36-10 PST inklinea Hello Pink 2021-02-10 10-36-26 PST inklinea Okay 2021-02-13 13-17-20 PST Pinklove24 stay safe 2021-02-14 01-52-15 PST Pinklove24 im back 2021-02-10 10-36-22 PST Pinklove24 hru 2021-02-10 10-36-41 PST Pinklove24 that good 2021-02-13 13-16-44 PST Pinklove24 im not going to to be on today just to let u know 2021-02-10 10-35-24 PST Pinklove24 hey inklinea

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2019-12-19 14-29-03 PST Victor Westmann ? 2019-12-19 14-29-02 PST Victor Westmann Hi Maren, how are you doing today? is there any other material or guide I should read or pay attention to besides what is written in https://inkscape.org/contribute/translations/ 2019-12-19 14-32-17 PST Victor Westmann It is tiring, for everyone I believe, to always have something NEW incorrect done on translation file. So, so far, the things Patrick told me I should pay attention in po files are: 1. Dont translate commands 2. Try to translate to 100% whenever possible 3. Remove sha1/sha2 (checksums) in general from translations 4. Translator credits string is only meant to add your name, email and year of contribution 5. Run a fine comb in your translation file for inconsistencies 6. Make sure spacing is preserved as close as possible to the original strings being translated 7. I am currently using POedit 2.2.4. Is this the best tool? Is there anything special translators using this tool do that I don't? Am I missing any steps here? Let me know. Have a great day! Auf wiedersehen.

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2020-08-11 01-55-15 PDT Significantcell Hello

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2021-01-11 05-19-51 PST Adrienne Hello new here

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2019-12-21 18-47-27 PST Victor Westmann Whatever the resolution you printed the material it was amzaing. 2020-01-03 10-36-27 PST Victor Westmann I will be at work for the next 6 hours. And I am moving houses this weekend... but maybe we can talk later! Let me know how can I help you help me. :smiley: 2019-12-21 18-24-11 PST Victor Westmann I remember that when this survey was publicized it was on the forums of the inkscape project (at that time it was another forum, an older one) 2019-12-22 13-13-08 PST Victor Westmann Oh ok Maybe I can ask Matin then! 2019-12-21 13-42-20 PST Victor Westmann Hi Michele, aboslutely! The link to the answers of the first inkscape survey I ran (independently) can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_CAa-tTwTEDhyD4d6ZBTZsU8PHJ_vKS8gER… 2019-12-21 18-52-27 PST Victor Westmann Were you born here? It is a beautiful country you have 2019-12-21 18-44-51 PST Victor Westmann Sweet! Everyone matters in the team and everyone's contribution makes a difference. I am a strong believer of this thought 2019-12-21 17-07-32 PST Victor Westmann Sounds good Michele. Thank you for taking your time to work on this. Thanks! 2019-12-21 18-42-38 PST Victor Westmann I use Inkscape since 2007 but I am not sure I am an advanced user... but I can always lean 2019-12-21 18-26-56 PST Victor Westmann I would love to help recruit more volunteers to help translate the official tutorials of the project. 2019-12-21 18-47-50 PST Victor Westmann What is it that you do on your work? 2019-12-21 18-36-46 PST Victor Westmann I would love to make a survey more focused in the usability of the application and how people use inkscape. What they like about it, what they love about it, and what they don't like and what they hate. 2019-12-21 18-47-12 PST Victor Westmann I replaced all of the raster graphics for EMF and WMF graphics (sadly the only vector formats accepted by MS Powerpoint 2016) in their material 2019-12-21 18-51-41 PST Victor Westmann Are you also in Canada? No way. I am in Vancouver 2019-12-21 18-59-08 PST Victor Westmann sound like a good plan! Will ping him for sure. :upside_down: 2019-12-21 18-54-47 PST Victor Westmann People forget French is Latin based / latin rooted lol 2019-12-21 18-27-18 PST Victor Westmann No problem. Feel free to share. Not a problem. 2019-12-21 18-53-54 PST Victor Westmann We have been living in your beautiful country for almost 4 years now. 2019-12-21 18-27-05 PST Victor Westmann And more people to help code and to triage bugs... 2019-12-21 18-23-39 PST Victor Westmann Yeah, MS Excel is a little bit easier to use and polished... but proprietary, sadly. 2019-12-21 13-42-26 PST Victor Westmann Let me know if you need anything else! 2019-12-21 18-49-21 PST Victor Westmann Only one company. What is economic development? 2019-12-21 18-25-14 PST Victor Westmann Because inkscape folks were not in the mood to publicize anything they kindly asked me to state that it was an independent survey. So I did! 2019-12-21 18-40-37 PST Victor Westmann We could even try to do a simple and small survey to ask users if they think the next version is better of worse than the before, and why. (next = 1.0) 2019-12-21 18-46-43 PST Victor Westmann I did this when I was working for a company that used this system 2020-01-01 20-27-17 PST Victor Westmann Hi Michele, happy new year! 2019-12-21 18-46-32 PST Victor Westmann About the articles you mentioned (in the beginning of the year I think) to write different material I remember I said I could help write an article about how to mimic (or recreate) an interface of an insurance system (Duck Creek). It is very used in US and Canada. 2019-12-21 18-49-53 PST Victor Westmann Maybe we can think of something for next year... 2019-12-21 18-40-06 PST Victor Westmann Yes! Absolutely. Onboarding survey would be superb. We need to make sure to have new users learning and sticking with the application and with the community. 2020-12-05 17-14-47 PST Victor Westmann Hi Michele, thank you very much for your time and honesty (which to me is the purest form of affection). I am now with my family in São Paulo, (which is both the name of the city and the state I am in right now) in Brazil, my home country. After spending 4 years in Canada without leaving the country I got absolutely homesick and could not avoid any longer to come visit my family. 2019-12-21 18-36-12 PST Victor Westmann I guess with this new survey, now backed by the people of the project, we could try to identify if we could get more people to translate the program to another languages (maybe the ones that we have more users and are not fully translated yet) And also try to understand how we can get more people to collaborate with trnanslations, onboarding new users. triaging bugs, spreading the word or with money. 2019-12-21 18-24-39 PST Victor Westmann I believe that we publicized the survey for, 7 to 10 days. Something like that. 2019-12-21 18-37-35 PST Victor Westmann And this is not necessarily true! hehe 2019-12-21 18-38-25 PST Victor Westmann I would love to pay for features in this app. And one I would particularly pay for would be to be compatible with printing, especially CMYK 2019-12-21 18-57-20 PST Victor Westmann Let me know what articles/tutorials/manuals you are thinking and we can work to make them happen. What would be priority. 2019-12-22 13-13-14 PST Victor Westmann Thanks for the directions. :thumbsup: 2019-12-22 11-49-37 PST Victor Westmann Hi my friend, I tried to reach Bryce but I could not find him in this chat. I am not too sure how to go into the IRC chat (which is the one I believe he is). So I am not sure how I can share your nice charts with him! 2020-01-01 20-27-28 PST Victor Westmann I wish you have a very positive, healthy and energetic year! 2019-12-21 18-37-19 PST Victor Westmann But it seems that the project, with some reason I admit, is cautious to go this direction beacuse a lot of users might understand action will be done in this direction. 2019-12-21 18-41-27 PST Victor Westmann I got absolutely thrilled when I got to know that themes was going to be implemented in inkscape project. I was the one that vocalized this need and I was so glad and happy when I realized that they listened to me! 2019-12-21 18-25-46 PST Victor Westmann Yeah. Me too... I use MS Office when it is available and LibreOffice when there is no other option. 2019-12-21 18-49-36 PST Victor Westmann What would be the language of the articles? And what kind of articles? 2019-12-21 18-42-18 PST Victor Westmann Really? I am also a Windows user. Let me know if you need help to test anything. 2019-12-21 18-56-48 PST Victor Westmann I will have to go soon... 2019-12-21 18-47-17 PST Victor Westmann it became super great! 2019-12-21 18-43-16 PST Victor Westmann :slight_smile: 2019-12-21 18-47-42 PST Victor Westmann (But the final size of the files were ridiculous I must confess.... 54 MB per file) 2020-12-10 07-12-18 PST Victor Westmann You are such a sweetheart. The world needs more pacific and diplomatic people like yourself Michele. Thank you for your assistance, kindness, and help with the Inkscape project! 2019-12-21 13-43-58 PST Victor Westmann You too! Take care. 2019-12-21 18-53-37 PST Victor Westmann I am a Brazilian. 2019-12-21 18-53-43 PST Victor Westmann My wife and I are Brazilians. 2019-12-21 18-41-40 PST Victor Westmann (themes = dark theme, light theme... symbolic icons) 2019-12-21 18-26-36 PST Victor Westmann It just seems that inkscape folks are now eager to take this initiative forward. So I am very happy to be involved in all this. 2019-12-21 18-45-20 PST Victor Westmann This is the type of thing that truly changes the world. 2019-12-21 18-56-56 PST Victor Westmann but it was really good talking a little bit more with you Michele. 2020-01-01 20-28-09 PST Victor Westmann Let me know what is it that you need from me to make the survey available in the Inkscape website. 2020-07-30 16-20-47 PDT Victor Westmann Hello my dear friend! How are you doing these days? It is this Saturday, eh? At what time will the event start? Are you going? :-) 2019-12-21 18-33-58 PST Victor Westmann Woa! Looks really nice. Thank you for this. 2019-12-21 18-28-24 PST Victor Westmann Yay! great. Thank you for this. Merci 2019-12-21 18-53-34 PST Victor Westmann I can still help with the manual/tutorial to help recreate a duck creek screen in inkscape and show the ins and outs of how to use it inside MS Powerpoint. Or even in LibreOffice Impress 2019-12-21 18-55-00 PST Victor Westmann French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian 2019-12-21 18-45-04 PST Victor Westmann Thank you for caring for this project. I love it very much. 2019-12-21 18-26-05 PST Victor Westmann Absolutely! 2020-12-05 17-16-00 PST Victor Westmann I will be back to Canada next year around March 2021. I love this project but don't have time to contribute to it at the moment but I got super glad that the translation I did for the PT-BR language around DEC/2020 and JAN/2021 got accepted and merged for the 1.0 release. 2019-12-21 18-54-26 PST Victor Westmann Latin roots. 2019-12-21 18-48-18 PST Michèle Thibeau Wow, sounds like your work helped lots of people and companies! 2019-12-21 18-54-17 PST Michèle Thibeau Awesome! I have some Brazilian friends here in Quebec, too. There's a Latin connection with the language afterall! 2019-12-22 12-01-30 PST Michèle Thibeau Did you have his email address? If not, I am sure if you message Martin in private he'd be able to assist you. 2020-07-30 15-07-25 PDT Michèle Thibeau Hi Victor, I hope you're well! Are you going to come to the Team Vectors Day Hackfest on Saturday? It would be great to see you there! Take care. 2019-12-21 18-24-26 PST Michèle Thibeau I use a bit of both at home and work - proprietary at work 2019-12-21 18-48-55 PST Michèle Thibeau I'm in economic development and I have a small sideline in digital design work - that's where I use Inkscape and Gimp. Also write. 2020-01-03 00-32-07 PST Michèle Thibeau Perhaps we can touch base today - Friday - and I can show you how I add a document to the repository. There are instructions, however, I am not likely the best at explaining them to you. I can assure you that it's easier that making changes to an issue to update your survey. 'Been there, done that, asked for a repository!' 8-)) 2019-12-21 18-44-07 PST Michèle Thibeau But let me at the task of writing an article, data wrangling, chairing a meeting, cheerleading the team or making a repeat pattern. I'm all over those tasks! 2019-12-21 18-58-41 PST Michèle Thibeau Have an awesome evening and weekend! Share those results with Bryce if you wish - if he's interested in sharing the data I can keep working on it. 2019-12-21 16-28-31 PST Michèle Thibeau Hi Victor, I've been playing with the data to pull out some bar charts - simple and quick - to look at the information we have on a high level. Will send them to you in a bit in an open office doc. 2019-12-21 18-29-17 PST Michèle Thibeau Victor W Inkscape survey data basic charts.pdf (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/k9KMaM4zFeupwvetn/Victor%20W%20Inksca…) 2019-12-21 18-28-02 PST Michèle Thibeau Let me send you the open source presentation document for your feedback. I am now trying to see if I can filter better, since the data is set up to be able to see across the variables - questions. 2019-12-21 18-38-36 PST Michèle Thibeau We might want to look at a strategy behind our potential for surveys... think about the broad picture. This would enable us to have some discussions and perhaps look at how we could roll out some standard surveys and perhaps other ones for those who were interested. Onboarding survey is needed. Someone had worked on one last year, but she has since moved on... I think part of it was that the survey did not move forward. 2019-12-21 18-43-01 PST Michèle Thibeau Thanks! I know Jabier was hoping to be able to have some testers as he tweaks stuff. You could let him know in a private message. He'd probably be happy! 2019-12-21 18-47-58 PST Michèle Thibeau That would be great! I've had less time over the past year. If you'd like to help with that project and organize folks to write articles or do tutorials, I'd be thrilled. 2019-12-21 18-45-52 PST Michèle Thibeau Thanks, Victor! You too! I agree with you and that's why I hang out here. It's a great community and one that makes me think about other things I do in my work life. 2020-12-05 17-55-51 PST Michèle Thibeau Congratulations on having your translation accepted for the 1.0 release. It was a big step and your help makes it even more international an enables more people to access a free tool to help them express their creativity. Looking forward to hearing from you again when you have a chance to say hello! Wishing you all the best this season and for 2021. Hope to collaborate once more when you find time in the future. Take care, and safe travels until next year. 2019-12-21 18-36-37 PST Michèle Thibeau Yes! 2019-12-21 18-43-21 PST Michèle Thibeau I am not an advanced learner! And realize that I am not that good with betas. 8-) 2019-12-21 18-58-10 PST Michèle Thibeau Okay, I'll dig up the issue that we had started around that to see where we're landed and we could look at working on proposing it at a future Vectors team meeting to get people thinking about it. 2019-12-21 18-51-34 PST Michèle Thibeau We have to wait till the new version of stuff gets released, but that means we can round up people who want to participate and then they can also help develop content with version 1.0 at the same time! 2019-12-21 18-29-06 PST Michèle Thibeau My pleasure. It will only let me add a PDF here, so just send me your comments, corrections, suggestions! 2019-12-22 12-00-56 PST Michèle Thibeau Oh, if you go to the top-left side of this page and use the magnifying glass - search - you should be able to find him as a user and connect. If not, perhaps he's changed a setting. 2019-12-21 18-55-40 PST Michèle Thibeau I'm Acadian, so French-Canadian, but brought up mostly in English. I moved here and went back to school to improve my French. Now I live and work in both languages. 2019-12-21 18-51-02 PST Michèle Thibeau Yep, next year sounds good! 2019-12-21 18-27-20 PST Michèle Thibeau I could do a bit from French to English, but that's where my expertise would end. 2019-12-21 18-38-48 PST Michèle Thibeau Oh, my, CMYK printing is on my wish list as a digital artist! 2019-12-21 18-52-09 PST Michèle Thibeau Yes! I am in Quebec City! Cool, I've been to Vancouver only once. 2019-12-21 18-41-53 PST Michèle Thibeau There's a lot of listening! I am curious to try out a dark format with 1.0 2019-12-21 18-26-59 PST Michèle Thibeau Yes! And I am willing to look at the data, though perhaps others are too. 2019-12-22 13-25-04 PST Michèle Thibeau You're welcome! 2019-12-21 18-07-20 PST Michèle Thibeau Hi Victor, I have a couple of other questions for you... how was this survey shared with the public? More than one way? Also, what was the time frame? Thanks! 2019-12-21 18-54-25 PST Michèle Thibeau Glad to have you here! 2019-12-21 18-59-17 PST Michèle Thibeau 8-) 2019-12-21 18-34-54 PST Michèle Thibeau You're welcome, Victor! 2019-12-21 18-53-06 PST Michèle Thibeau Yes, in Nova Scotia! I've been in Quebec over 20 years. It is beautiful indeed. Where are you originally from, Victor? 2019-12-21 18-25-56 PST Michèle Thibeau That's terrific of you! Though we have to get more professional and make use of data to help us get organized and grow! 2019-12-21 18-57-16 PST Michèle Thibeau We'll chat again! 2019-12-21 17-58-23 PST Michèle Thibeau My pleasure! I'm learning how to do this better, and so it's terrific to practice on new data sets, though Open docs' tool is not as refined as Excel. 8-(( 2020-01-03 11-25-42 PST Michèle Thibeau Will do! Good luck with your move. I hope it went well! 2020-12-05 17-53-52 PST Michèle Thibeau Dear Victor, it is so good to have your news and to know you are well. I understand completely what it is like to be far away from family. Glad to know you're in your home country during this time and will be for the Holidays. Four years is a long time! You did it! 2020-01-03 00-30-46 PST Michèle Thibeau Hi Victor, Happy New Year to you, too! Wishing you much energy and continued enthusiasm for Inkscape and our team all together here! So glad you're here. 2019-12-21 13-43-48 PST Michèle Thibeau Awesome. Thanks, Victor! I am into looking at data. Have a great day@ 2020-07-30 17-37-19 PDT Michèle Thibeau Hi Victor, nice to hear from you. I'm doing well in my corner of the world. Wearing a mask when I step out for the few errands that are essential. This Saturday's session will start, as they all have and will, at 16:00 UTC, so 9 am your time in BC. I'll be there with bells on, as they say. We'll be talking about some data, too. I shared the results of your data with the members of the team working on the Website Next project and they found it helpful. Not sure if we'll share it more broadly, but I want you to know that it's helping us to gain insight into audiences and users. That said, we'll be talking about content, so if you're interested in writing or translating, drop by! Looking forward to "seeing" you there. Take care. 2019-12-21 18-50-53 PST Michèle Thibeau Working with communities, mostly in Quebec, Canada, to enhance their economic activity. Big for being on a team that works to help with revitalization, entrepreneurship and connecting employers with skilled workers. We work in English and French. 2019-12-21 18-41-36 PST Michèle Thibeau Yes, though that suvey will need to wait until the final version 1 is out and has been tweaked. I am trying to help Jabier with testing for Windows, but there are too many crashes to be able to do my art. 2019-12-21 18-57-05 PST Michèle Thibeau You, too, Victor!

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2020-12-14 01-51-52 PST Martin Owens If you can talk about your experimentations here, we can keep the devel channel to just practical and boring day to day stuff. 2020-12-14 06-31-27 PST Martin Owens Sounds good 2020-12-14 01-51-20 PST Martin Owens @oliverthered I've created a new chat for experimental inkscape programming. 2020-12-14 16-09-32 PST Martin Owens Chinese hypothesis? 2020-12-14 06-04-18 PST Oliver Stieber i'm currently hoping to get Visual Studio Code working with mysys2 on Windows because Visual Studio's support for gbd too slow to work with and ontop of that, actually importing the project into visual studio and configuring it is a nightmare. 2020-12-14 10-32-51 PST Oliver Stieber so, long as I don't start mirroring binaries I now have a reasonable solution for backing up work and related files. I couldn't find anything to do a real-time sync between two directories monitoring for file changes. So I ended up writing something in powerscript with async even based fs monitoring and then firing off the file copy etc.. Operations in a pool of threads, firing off a lazy thread that only calls git to push the acclimated changes.. I'm seeing if it;s robust enough to manage important documents, but it will give me a real time local mirror or my work in progress with git-hub only a minute or two behind.. If it's up to the job, I'll write a Linux inotify version. 2020-12-15 02-25-45 PST Oliver Stieber I can always use Princeton if it's and emergency, capital investment situation we are under. 2020-12-15 02-30-35 PST Oliver Stieber oh, they all left liverpool and went to work elsewhere. 2020-12-15 00-50-30 PST Oliver Stieber you never full. 2020-12-14 14-38-14 PST Oliver Stieber The Chinese hypothesis provides for an asymmetric encryption where one party gets one part of the message, without being any the wiser and the other party can get the full message. It should be possible to figure print the software being used to run the code in a way as to provide an advantage to one party. The decryption key can be randomly generated by the person wanting to decrypt, but the result depends upon their signature. 2020-12-15 02-23-49 PST Oliver Stieber ah, the bloody open university has gone down the jkhon, just when i neededd them... 2020-12-14 06-00-24 PST Oliver Stieber ok, seems sensible. 2020-12-14 14-51-30 PST Oliver Stieber I have to keep the ratios for the Chinese hypothesis whist simultaneously sticking to Fermont little therom, which means I can calculate the multiplicative inverse and use prime modulus on my exponentially steeped noise collection. That basically make the noise functions Ballance themselves out, so the result is within an error of the function it encapsulates without exposing the underlying function. 2020-12-14 06-00-08 PST Oliver Stieber ah yeah.. 2020-12-15 02-29-12 PST Oliver Stieber liver pool are still playin g the Beatles white albums, so they are bloody useless. Even if a few of them know me well, and reading is full of cyborgs, though they did host the wine project.. so that's another lead i could follow. 2020-12-14 14-41-31 PST Oliver Stieber Because there is an element of noise in many applications, anyway, the noise introduce to encrypt can be made to balance it out when combined with the noise of the fingerprint. Functions where there is no noise are pretty near instantaneous to resolve, so they wouldn't be optimum with the introduction of noise. But i don't think it would notice. 2021-04-08 20-59-03 PDT Virendra Carpenter Has joined the channel. 2021-02-01 00-46-38 PST harshil007 Has joined the channel. 2021-03-12 10-09-06 PST Aryan Has joined the channel.

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2020-01-06 20-14-12 PST Victor Westmann Opa. Tudo bem Renan? Feliz 2020! Com certeza.. .me conta quais são as suas ideias e a gente vai discutindo. Abraço. 2020-01-06 19-00-07 PST Renan Mayrinck Hello dude, hope we can use this chat to talk a bit more about the project :)

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2020-01-01 13-38-26 PST Erik Thanks for your help I really appreciate it. Some of this is still foreign to me though. I’m sorry to ask but I am getting a bit frustrated by myself doing this. Would you be interested in perhaps connecting with me via video etc and I could show u what I am doing so that I am articulating my problem correctly? 2020-01-01 13-59-51 PST Moini I think this is a topic that others may benefit from, too. Would you be comfortable asking your question in a forum? Inkscape's official one is at https://inkscape.org/forums - it has a section for plotting / cutting, too.

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2021-01-08 18-32-40 PST simone [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/inkscape_user?msg=G4krBodMtoN4M44yL) Sorry to message! I’m having this exact issue just wondering if you managed to sort it because I really can’t figure it out? my Inkscape works fine and the minute I put the pen down it comes up error and closes itself. Not sure if it’s the new 1.0.1 version?? ()

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2020-02-24 10-47-40 PST Victor Westmann And I was the person that went into a meeting and said it was URGENT to have a dark theme. Thank god they listened to me. 2020-02-24 10-47-21 PST Victor Westmann I am heading out as well. I want to be where I am accepted and appreciated. Sadly this is not the place to me even though, as a user, I use Inkscape since 2007. 2020-02-24 10-45-28 PST Victor Westmann It seems there is strong resistance to whatever I say just because I said it. 2020-02-19 21-05-52 PST Victor Westmann Now to the file formats! 2020-02-19 20-53-12 PST Victor Westmann In the CorelDRAW price you can put CAD$ 599 (CAD = Canadian Dollars). I am not sure how to verify this for other currencies since the website gets my region/country. And I am indeed in Canada, right now. 2020-02-19 21-44-21 PST Victor Westmann I really hope to have helped a little bit at least by pointing all the places all the file formats are in each of the programs. 2020-02-20 13-34-48 PST Victor Westmann SO much resistance on new idesas 2020-02-19 14-44-42 PST Victor Westmann hmmmmmmm... I see. 2020-02-19 14-38-11 PST Victor Westmann that is insane! 😱 2020-02-20 13-34-44 PST Victor Westmann Dear lord 2020-02-17 15-26-05 PST Victor Westmann I am not sure if anything will ever be perfect 2020-02-20 14-16-28 PST Victor Westmann so hard to do anything new on this project... 2020-02-20 10-43-58 PST Victor Westmann It is so cool to see this comparison table gradually take shape! 2020-02-13 16-58-00 PST Victor Westmann 'Just asked the company of the assets I bought if it is ok to reuse them in our website 2020-02-17 15-23-51 PST Victor Westmann Or at least, the requirements, could go with the ABOUT > ABOUT section since it is very short. 2020-02-19 21-58-38 PST Victor Westmann Or we need to make very clear that the currency to buy the licenses are in USD. 2020-02-20 00-36-11 PST Victor Westmann REQUIREMENTS FOR INKSCAPE 2020-02-20 13-34-56 PST Victor Westmann :grin: 2020-02-18 10-20-42 PST Victor Westmann And thank you for finally accepting to do a first attempt at the features page. Lets see how things unfold. 2020-02-19 21-22-48 PST Victor Westmann but the link fits only 5 competitors. So one product of the list is not there. 2020-02-18 10-20-15 PST Victor Westmann It is good to have you on the team 2020-02-24 10-48-25 PST Victor Westmann So at least I feel I gave some small contribution to this project. Even though I did not coded any of this. 2020-02-24 21-14-12 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=fwCXkKEq9KDpiXYMs) Which pages are you talking about? I can always publish them under my own inkscape wiki profile. No one should touch it since it is my own profile. I have put other things in there as well both to practice using wikipedia platform a bit better and to save the ideas I had at the time no to lose them. () 2020-02-17 15-45-31 PST Victor Westmann Less stress and pain for everyone. What do you think? :) 2020-02-20 00-36-04 PST Victor Westmann Hey Brynn... look how funny this thing that I found! I just found Windows S Store... and what did I find in there? 2020-02-20 13-34-53 PST Victor Westmann it is tiring!!! 2020-02-18 10-19-34 PST Victor Westmann Hi Brynn. Thank you for your help. I would not be able to move this forward without your help. 2020-02-19 14-45-03 PST Victor Westmann Does it look too ugly without column width? :sweat_smile: 2020-02-24 10-46-43 PST Victor Westmann We brag to be an open source software project but we can't put a simple table comparing basic aspects of different programs, all in the same category, god knows why. 2020-02-19 21-50-17 PST Victor Westmann or 24.0.2 2020-02-17 15-36-40 PST Victor Westmann Affinity Design is a better product to compare Inkscape to. It has nice features and it is easier to understand and compare to. My vote is to replace Xara with Affinity Designer. 2020-02-19 21-10-19 PST Victor Westmann that is odd! 2020-02-17 15-34-07 PST Victor Westmann For Waterfall and Agile I mean... Waterfall is an old way of working on projects where they need heavy list of requirements and things are monolithic. 2020-02-20 00-36-58 PST Victor Westmann I am not back. I am still going to sleep! lol 2020-02-19 22-15-13 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=YhTqKEnBWX6tnQnp6) You can leave them blank. They don't run on Linux / FreeBSD. () 2020-02-20 11-48-20 PST Victor Westmann approx 50 == ~50? 2020-02-20 11-49-02 PST Victor Westmann this is what matters most! 2020-02-14 11-59-21 PST Victor Westmann Here is the answer. 2020-02-19 21-54-05 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=Hk5n8GXnofqo6zX74) But on my Windows machine it says a version slightly bigger. () 2020-02-17 15-19-41 PST Victor Westmann Maybe we can make a short version of the features page and a longer version. How does that sound? In my opinion requirements deserved a whole new section inside of the ABOUT section of the inkscape.org website. 2020-02-20 12-01-18 PST Victor Westmann Yes. Better. Thank you. 2020-02-17 15-37-10 PST Victor Westmann Any questions? :) 2020-02-19 20-57-27 PST Victor Westmann CorelDRAW = https://www.coreldraw.com/ (CAD$ 599.00 once / CAD$ 219.00 /year) Affinity Designer = https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/ ( CAD$ 69.00 once (perpetual license) Adobe Illustrator = https://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator.html (US$ 29.99 / month) 2020-02-18 10-20-08 PST Victor Westmann And congratulations on the massive effort to help with the extensions authors. It sounds like a big big effort to get in touch with everyone and ask them to update their work so it will work on the 1.0 release. 2020-02-19 21-14-19 PST Victor Westmann do you live in US by any chance? 2020-02-19 20-53-54 PST Victor Westmann For *Affinity Designer* price you can put CAD$ 69.00 (perpetual license) / or paid only once. 2020-02-20 11-47-52 PST Victor Westmann Looking good. Maybe a little too small? But it is better than before 2020-02-19 21-48-54 PST Victor Westmann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Illustrator release December 2019. 2020-02-20 11-48-12 PST Victor Westmann very very small suggestion... instead of writing "approximate" / "approx" can we use ~? 2020-02-19 20-34-57 PST Victor Westmann You missed a couple of things. Let me get out of my phone and get my laptop. 1 sec 2020-02-20 11-45-09 PST Victor Westmann I don't know. I cannot see it! How can I see it? 2020-02-19 20-34-22 PST Victor Westmann There is no need to talk to anyone for this. I can help you with the file formats supported 2020-02-20 13-34-49 PST Victor Westmann right? 2020-02-19 20-33-48 PST Victor Westmann I was the one that put featutes in there 2020-02-19 21-05-57 PST Victor Westmann No no. You don't. 2020-02-16 10-21-22 PST Victor Westmann Hi Brynn. I think you already got the general idea of how I would like to use images (/icons) in the features page. It would be something similar to this one https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/designer/ . Is there any reason for our limitation? Is it because we don't know how to do it or limitation from the technology we are using? Do you know if maybe we are able to do this then? https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/designer/full-feature-list/ 2020-02-14 11-59-16 PST Victor Westmann https://twitter.com/graphicpear/status/1228351461924507649 2020-02-17 15-40-21 PST Victor Westmann Yes. If we could use and showcase a couple of SVG icons that would be superb. If this looks ugly we can always fallback and revert to the previous state. 2020-02-19 14-42-36 PST Victor Westmann Month Savings January $100 February $80 2020-02-20 14-16-42 PST Victor Westmann no worries. thank you for your help so far., really appreciate it! 2020-02-24 10-20-24 PST Victor Westmann Again, we all know we need planning, we need discussions, we need different points of views, always, in all initiatives. But sometimes it is too much. 2020-02-19 21-57-58 PST Victor Westmann Affinity Designer prices are wrong Brynn. From the website it says: 2020-02-20 10-43-40 PST Victor Westmann Yes. Smaller is more elegant. 2020-02-13 19-50-39 PST Victor Westmann I will post the answer to you when they give me one. Normally this take a day or two. If you have an account you can also see it but you don't have to have an account if you have the link to the answer. 2020-02-24 10-48-00 PST Victor Westmann I was the one that asked for floating panels, dockable panels, and about layers panel. 2020-02-19 21-45-00 PST Victor Westmann At least all the references are solid since they are all official documentation/manuals from the respective companies that created them. 2020-02-19 21-11-13 PST Victor Westmann what happens when you click on the SUBSCRIPTION tab? 2020-02-17 15-44-12 PST Victor Westmann Is it ok If I polish a little bit more the competitor analysis and then we can send it to other team members to review? 2020-02-20 00-49-22 PST Victor Westmann Windows S S Windows 10 S is a feature-limited edition of Windows 10 designed primarily for low-end devices in the education market (Pretty much a Windows 10 starter but way more limited). It has a faster initial setup and login process, and allows devices to be provisioned using a USB drive with the "Set Up School PCs" app. Windows 10 S only allows the installation of software (both Universal Windows Platform and Windows API apps) from Microsoft Store, although command line programs or shells (even from Microsoft Store) are not allowed.[7][8] System settings are locked to allow only Microsoft Edge as the default web browser with Bing as its search engine.[9] The operating system may be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro for a fee, to enable unrestricted software installation.[10][11] All Windows 10 S devices include a free one-year subscription to Minecraft: Education Edition. Critics have compared the edition to Windows RT, and have considered it to be a competitor to Chrome OS.[10][12][13][14][15] In March 2018, Microsoft announced that it would be phasing out Windows 10 S, citing confusion among manufacturers and end-users. Microsoft stated that it would replace this edition with the ability for vendors to ship their Windows 10 Home or Pro devices in "S Mode", wherein Windows defaults to only allowing applications to be installed from Microsoft Store. S Mode does not require payment in order to disable these restrictions.[16][17] Switching out of S mode is permanent, and even after switching out it is not possible to run 64-bit apps.[18] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions 2020-02-17 15-33-17 PST Victor Westmann Yes. Everything that we agreed is ok. All stands the same. I was just concerned that you said that putting the table of requirements in the features, according to what you said earlier, would make it too much information at the same place. I am fine with that. For the features page we can try to have a short version of it, with the most important features, and then, maybe, work on a long and detailed version of the features page. Not being able to use icons is sad... but thats fine! As long as the info is there. 2020-02-20 11-45-34 PST Victor Westmann Where are you editing all this info? 2020-02-13 17-00-16 PST Victor Westmann The collection I would love to buy is this one https://streamlineicons.com/ but it costs expensive US$ 274. 2020-02-26 08-59-30 PST Victor Westmann You know what? I will do the same. What's the point in collaborating to a project we are not understood and not appreciated? None 2020-02-19 21-08-07 PST Victor Westmann oh boy. And what are you seeing in it? 2020-02-20 11-48-53 PST Victor Westmann it is ok my friend. the content is all there. and it looks nice. 2020-02-25 10-28-32 PST Victor Westmann If you give up on moving the comparison table forward you can send it to me and I will finish what you have started. Will publish this somewhere else since Inkscape project is way too special to publish this anywhere. 2020-02-17 17-21-38 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=b2mWgHD4bda7qh8XH) Sounds great to me! () 2020-02-19 14-38-55 PST Victor Westmann Oh so this is inside of a forum post? 2020-02-19 21-04-02 PST Victor Westmann Do you think it is interesting to put the full name of the programs? With their versions? Instead of CorelDRAW we can put CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 2019? 2020-02-17 13-56-11 PST Victor Westmann Do you agree with this? 2020-02-24 10-46-01 PST Victor Westmann It is tiring to be fought and not comprehend , like you said, why such a small and simple table would violate anything in the project. 2020-02-19 21-09-38 PST Victor Westmann From the top navigation you can try to go to the path: Products > Illustration & Design >CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 2019 (Windows) 2019-12-10 14-24-18 PST Victor Westmann Hi Brynn 2020-02-17 13-55-15 PST Victor Westmann Hi Brynn. I see. If having a more modern looking website is out of question -- at least for now -- this is fine. We will focus then in making the features page more long in text descriptions and in length.what do you say to that? 2020-02-17 17-22-19 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=JxaTC5sA5wpzbfeTa) I think for a very first draft it is decent. () 2020-02-19 21-59-07 PST Victor Westmann What do you think? 2020-02-24 10-45-13 PST Victor Westmann I love it very very much. But I also want to be in a place where my contributions are accepted and appreciated. 2020-02-19 14-36-33 PST Victor Westmann You did? Wow! Congrats! How many authors were there? 2020-02-25 23-21-55 PST Victor Westmann look at this quote from this book: *Prevent Territoriality* _Watch out for participants who try to stake out exclusive ownership of certain areas of the project, and who seem to want to do all the work in those areas, to the extent of aggressively taking over work that others start. Such behavior may even seem healthy at first. After all, on the surface it looks like the person is taking on more responsibility, and showing increased activity within a given area. But in the long run, it is destructive. When people sense a "no trespassing" sign, they stay away. This results in reduced review in that area, and greater fragility, because the lone developer becomes a single point of failure. Worse, it fractures the cooperative, egalitarian spirit of the project. The theory should always be that any developer is welcome to help out on any task at any time. Of course, in practice things work a bit differently: people do have areas where they are more and less influential, and non-experts frequently defer to experts in certain domains of the project. But the key is that this is all voluntary: informal authority is granted based on competence and proven judgement, but it should never be actively taken. Even if the person desiring the authority really is competent, it is still crucial that she hold that authority informally, through the consensus of the group, that the exact boundaries of the authority remain fuzzy and subjective, and that the authority never cause her to exclude others from working in that area._ _Rejecting or editing someone's work for technical reasons is an entirely different matter, of course. There, the decisive factor is the content of the work, not who happened to act as gatekeeper. It may be that the same person happens to do most of the reviewing for a given area, but as long as he never tries to prevent someone else from doing that work too, things are probably okay._ Source: https://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html#praise-and-criticism 2020-02-17 15-39-50 PST Victor Westmann Waterfall VS Agile are different ways projects are managed, in general. 2020-02-19 21-10-16 PST Victor Westmann Or black? Mixed with the same color of the background? 2020-02-20 11-48-36 PST Victor Westmann or is it too hard for other people to grasp this? :thinking: 2020-02-24 17-01-20 PST Victor Westmann I hope they give you a good explanation as well. This project is incredible and it has an enormous potential... but if team members are not open to allow things to happen... things will either not happen or take a long time to happen. Sadly. Things could be done so much faster here. 2020-02-19 21-37-54 PST Victor Westmann File formats (import and export) for *Affinity Designer* https://affinity.help/designer/en-US.lproj/index.html?page=/Appendix/filefo… *Adobe Illustrator* https://helpx.adobe.com/in/illustrator/kb/supported-file-formats-illustrato… *CorelDRAW Graphics Suite* (Import files page 775, export files, 778) http://product.corel.com/help/CorelDRAW/540111130/Main/EN/User-Guide/CorelD… 2020-02-19 21-47-15 PST Victor Westmann In the wikipedia article about it, which seems to be current, says CC2020. 2020-02-19 21-22-30 PST Victor Westmann Just out of curiosity, I just got to know that, overall, Inkscape is searched in 2nd (in volumes of searches done using Google search engine) if you compare: Adobe Illustrator CorelDRAW Graphics Suite Affinity Designer Inkscape Vectornator Gravit Designer https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=Adobe%20Illustrator,Inksc… 2020-02-13 16-58-02 PST Victor Westmann and 2020-02-17 15-34-36 PST Victor Westmann Agile is a way of working that allows people to work a little bit faster because things are incremented in small chunks. But revised more often. 2020-02-19 21-01-44 PST Victor Westmann Also, in the platforms offered, it is worth to mention that there is a version of Affinity Designer for iPad. 2020-02-19 21-48-33 PST Victor Westmann *CC2020* should be *24.0.2* 2020-02-19 20-34-27 PST Victor Westmann Absolutely 2020-02-19 14-40-24 PST Victor Westmann hmmmm 2020-02-17 15-43-18 PST Victor Westmann I don't think it is worth to mention other/minor "competitors" like Vectornator and/or Gravit Designer. 2020-02-17 15-43-29 PST Victor Westmann they are very new and have yet to prove their value, in my opinion. 2020-02-24 21-14-54 PST Victor Westmann Feel free to provide comments/feedback https://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Victorwestmann 2020-02-19 21-08-14 PST Victor Westmann In my side I can see the price. 2020-02-20 14-14-37 PST Victor Westmann were we able to communicate our point? 2020-02-17 15-23-57 PST Victor Westmann Maybe it could use some more content in there. 2020-02-17 15-36-07 PST Victor Westmann https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=xara%20xtreme,af… 2020-02-19 21-59-02 PST Victor Westmann Maybe you could remove the version numbers from the programs and put them that the last version of this table was done on FEBRUARY/2020. 2020-02-17 13-56-03 PST Victor Westmann I will focus in getting more information on the "competitors" of inkscape. I think Xara could e out and Affinity Design could be in 2020-02-19 22-47-29 PST Victor Westmann Going to bed now. Have a good night! 2020-02-17 16-36-50 PST Victor Westmann Tab Inkscape features VC competitors 2020-02-19 21-03-50 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=NG6iQucRpfzcKKDKW) Only Affinity Designer. None of the others work for iPad (as far as I know). () 2020-02-19 21-20-31 PST Victor Westmann oh my. 2020-02-24 10-21-12 PST Victor Westmann I am thinking of pausing my activities for Inkscape and come back after 1 year? 2 years? idk. 2020-02-17 16-36-57 PST Victor Westmann https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hqrIu87M-LiVjgGRoTLAELy-DWmZbVuKooh… 2020-02-19 21-51-33 PST Victor Westmann Affinity designer 1.7.1.404 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_Designer 2020-02-13 16-57-42 PST Victor Westmann Hey Brynn 2020-02-19 22-14-37 PST Victor Westmann Maybe for 2021, for the 2nd version of this table, I can help adding the *Gravit Designer* in the table. Gravit designer has a reasonably decent manual and it is also available in a couple of OSes as well. 2020-02-20 13-34-42 PST Victor Westmann Ok 2020-02-24 10-01-44 PST Victor Westmann I feel so demotivated by all that happened last week. 2020-02-24 10-01-31 PST Victor Westmann Hi Brynn. How are you? How are things going? 2020-02-17 15-45-22 PST Victor Westmann If it is accepted in general, we will continue working on it. If Inkscape team members complain/scream about this table we shot it down quickly. 2020-02-19 21-04-40 PST Victor Westmann Instead of Adobe Illustrator, we can put Adobe Illustrator CC 2020? 2020-02-19 20-58-04 PST Victor Westmann Adobe Illustrator price I was able to get in USD. So this one is fine. But for CorelDRAW and Affinity Designer maybe I will need your help to get the prices in USD. 2020-02-19 21-00-10 PST Victor Westmann [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/brynn?msg=g5RhLYgLf4Nj5nFAE) In the platforms offered it would only run on a pendrive it the OS is Windows. It is worth to make this a tiny bit clearer. () 2020-02-19 21-01-22 PST Victor Westmann Sure! Good idea. 2020-02-17 15-36-05 PST Victor Westmann I would like to remove Xara from the comparison table because it lost relevance in 2015 Here is a google trend chart the shows it Observe the year of 2015 and how things dramatically change. 2020-02-19 14-37-06 PST Victor Westmann Let me know if I can help you with anything on the HTML side. I do know some of it, 2020-02-17 16-36-34 PST Victor Westmann Do you think we can publish a first draft of the comparison table we already have? 2020-02-17 15-44-58 PST Victor Westmann Will try to get a max of 10 to 15 features to put in the table and then you can review it and send it to other people from the team to check it as well. 2020-02-20 14-14-29 PST Victor Westmann did we get anywhere? 2020-02-19 14-42-12 PST Victor Westmann it seems to me that using a table width is HTML4 and not HTML 5. Do we really need to have table width? 2019-12-10 14-24-24 PST Victor Westmann How are you doing today? 2020-02-19 21-06-42 PST Victor Westmann Try this link Brynn: https://www.coreldraw.com/en/product/coreldraw/?topNav=en 2020-02-13 16-58-30 PST Victor Westmann https://www.graphicpear.com/edge/ (this is the bundle I bought). Amazing 5k icons. It is just outstanding collection of icons. 2020-02-17 15-25-50 PST Victor Westmann We publish the table small and grow from there? It seems we are constantly waiting for things to get perfect. 2019-12-10 14-24-44 PST Victor Westmann Thank you! 2020-02-19 21-11-21 PST Victor Westmann they need to show you some price. 2020-02-17 15-26-39 PST Victor Westmann Let me know your thoughts in this 2020-02-17 15-42-31 PST Victor Westmann One more thing, having only really famous and popular vector editors in our comparison study, or whatever you want to call it, is great. You know why? Because it is implicit we compete with these other programs. In the same level. And this is not an exaggeration by any means. 2020-02-24 10-44-52 PST Victor Westmann Yeah. I am sorry to hear you are planning to go as well... you seem to be a very valued and valuable contributor to this project. 2020-02-17 16-36-40 PST Victor Westmann From lines 2 to 20? 2020-02-19 21-51-44 PST Victor Westmann I have this product in my computer as well so I can confirm this is true and accurate. 2020-02-17 15-25-14 PST Victor Westmann Also, one question about the requirements table. Is it ok if we take an Agile approach instead of a Waterfall approach? 2019-12-10 14-24-39 PST Victor Westmann Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help with the bug triage. 2020-02-19 21-50-04 PST Victor Westmann I would assume so! 2020-02-13 16-58-01 PST Victor Westmann https://twitter.com/vwestmann/status/1228120982507806720 2020-02-19 21-10-05 PST Victor Westmann have you tried selecting above the blue button to see if by some random/weird chance of destiny the price is there but hidden? 2020-02-19 21-08-28 PST Victor Westmann feel free to send me a printscreen/screenshot... 2020-02-24 21-12-58 PST Victor Westmann :pensive: 2020-02-19 21-58-03 PST Victor Westmann Clipboard - February 19, 2020 9:57 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/Cqe88js8ZDPFPMDZf/Clipboard%20-%20Feb…) 2020-02-20 00-37-02 PST Victor Westmann good night! lol 2020-02-20 00-36-12 PST Victor Westmann https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/p/inkscape/9pd9bhglfc7h?rtc=1&activetab=piv… 2020-02-19 21-52-01 PST Victor Westmann But for CorelDRAW we might be in trouble in case they don't have anything in Wikipedia. 2020-02-19 21-55-45 PST Victor Westmann Clipboard - February 19, 2020 9:55 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/9DmMPAhWxtkQdeWRd/Clipboard%20-%20Feb…) 2020-02-19 21-05-08 PST Victor Westmann It will be more current... but it will be easily be NOT up to date when these companies release new versions of their products. It is your call! 2020-02-20 14-14-59 PST Victor Westmann I don't want to fight with project folks... but we should be at least able to try a couple of new things from time to time right? 2020-02-19 21-06-47 PST Victor Westmann let me know if it works for you or not, please. 2020-02-20 14-15-42 PST Victor Westmann at tag? 2020-02-24 10-19-41 PST Victor Westmann People just resist new ideas. Just because they are new. They do not have any empathy to explain things in a reasonable manner... 2020-02-17 15-42-48 PST Victor Westmann We are as good as CorelDraw, Adobe Illustrator, and Affinity Designer in different areas. 2020-02-20 14-14-25 PST Victor Westmann oh my 2020-02-17 15-37-06 PST Victor Westmann About the requirement table all remains the same. About the competitor analysis I will brush it a little bit more today. 2020-02-19 14-39-08 PST Victor Westmann I can try to help find a way to find this if you would need/like my help. 2020-02-24 10-42-02 PST brynn No, it's not that they're resistant to new ideas. I haven't figured out exactly what it is yet though. But it would help if someone would answer my question in the website chatroom, about what is this value that they want to uphold. I suspect that certain people (Martin the ring leader) want the website to be this shining example of a free software utopia. And somehow (I don't know how yet) this table would violate that. I'm also about ready to take a break. I keep trying to make the website more friendly to users, but for some reason, they don't like it. I have not figured out exactly why yet. I really don't get the resistance to this table. The reaction is totally out of proportion. It's a complete mystery to me. And I don't know what to do, until someone explains why. If no one answers at all this week, I'll probably drop out. But I hope they care enough to answer. 2020-02-19 14-38-32 PST brynn I'm in a forum right now trying to find code to set a column width. I have a bunch of code from a long time ago, but I can't find the column width. 2020-02-20 12-00-36 PST brynn bettetr, right? 2020-02-20 00-40-28 PST brynn Wow, that must be something from the MS store! whoever put Inkscape in the MS store must have filled that out. I'm juat guessing. This is the first time I've ever been to MS sstore. 2020-02-17 15-38-55 PST brynn There might be some way to use them. I'm just not sure exactly what you had in mind. On the Affinity page, I only saw one section that had a similar kind of icons. So we can't use them like that....well.....possibly, I guess. Is that what you meant, in the Built For Your Workflow section of the page? I can think of some ways to use them. Re Waterfall and Agile, you mean ways of editing, rather than formats for the tables? 2020-02-19 20-53-59 PST brynn If you give me the links, I can probably get them in US $ 2020-02-20 00-36-48 PST brynn Wow that was a short night's sleep! 2020-02-19 21-09-22 PST brynn x.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/MQcznCtqNbCuy8ENg/x.png) 2020-02-24 17-23-17 PST brynn I just wish I knew what the problem is. 2020-02-17 17-05-41 PST brynn We can still work on it. But just don't ask for reviews until after 1.0 goes out 2020-02-20 08-18-25 PST brynn comptable4.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/B6a9vQynWkm6GAABc/comptable4.png) 2020-02-15 19-49-32 PST brynn Ok, just show me a mockup of the table and where you want the icons. I don't know for a fact if we can use them in the way that you might be thinking. For example, the table would probably look something like this one, on the website. https://inkscape.org/contribute/to-do-list/ We could put some icons in there, but there's not a lot of flexibility. 2020-02-19 17-03-03 PST brynn Could you give me an icon that might work for Price and another that might work for License, and I can play with how we can use them. The size needs to be whatever the regular text size is on the website. Or I guess if it's vector, I can resize it myself. 2020-02-19 22-08-35 PST brynn Does Illustrator, Corel or Affinity run on Linux or BSD? Or should I leave those blank? 2020-02-19 14-14-17 PST brynn Ok, I finished contacting the extension authors. I've had a look at the tables feature now. It's very rudimentary! But there's also an option to use html. So at the moment, I'm trying to re-learn how to code tables in html. I might be able to do something better than just the default. We'll see. It's also possible the site does not allow certain code. But we'll see. 2020-02-19 20-35-54 PST brynn Oh, there's a lot still missing. What you see in the screenshot is all that I've done yet. 2020-02-19 21-20-16 PST brynn weird website. It's the same price as you found for canada. They just gave me a link to a store subdomain, but when I click the link, I lost the chat session. But at least I got the prices first! 2020-02-20 14-15-24 PST brynn Oh, I was trying to encourage you at one particular moment. But I forgot the at tag. 2020-02-17 16-57-21 PST brynn I could go ahead work up the proposed page with that much for now, if you want. 2020-02-19 21-05-44 PST brynn I can't get the Corel site to tell me the price. Do I actually have to download it to find out?? arrgh! 2020-02-19 17-32-17 PST brynn New screenshot. 2020-02-20 14-16-19 PST brynn I'm not sure where we are at this moment. I have to log off pretty soon. at=@ 2020-02-19 21-07-47 PST brynn That's the exact page I'm looking at. 2020-02-19 15-08-50 PST brynn comptable1.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/4WcNwtCR5ncmG78Pf/comptable1.png) 2020-02-19 14-37-27 PST brynn I didn't count. But probably around 300. Maybe a little more. 2020-02-24 17-17-18 PST brynn I'm starting to think there is not going to be an explanation. Martin contacted me about something else today, but didn't mention that. I guess I'll just delete those pages. Although we could still work on it, and put some graphics on it and make it better -- I'm not feeling especially generous right now. So it will just have to wait for someone else to gather some courage. 2020-02-19 17-32-30 PST brynn comptable2.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/jg7uJPuYip3CHsZsP/comptable2.png) 2020-02-17 14-20-09 PST brynn I'm not sure about making the current Features page longer. I was thinking that if we add in the 2 tables with the competitors and the minimum req, it would make it too long. I was thinking we might have to pare down what's on the page currently. But I'm flexible with that. Whatever we do will need to be reviewed by others (whoever cares to review it). So maybe no one will care if it's longer? My past experience says people tend to like shorter pages, but it can't hurt to try it. I'm not sure at this moment, but I'm hoping when I get in there and have a look at it, there might be some more options for tables. Or if I can find out about an interactive image, that might turn out to be a possibliity. If it is a possibility, the Features page would be a good test run for other pages. But don't get your hopes up too much. I have a feeling if it was possible, we would already be doing it on some pages. I'm not familiar with other graphics programs. So that would be all up to you, about which programs are compared and which aren't. 2020-02-20 11-44-47 PST brynn Too small? 2020-02-19 17-04-08 PST brynn Also, it's probably better to use US prices, if you could get those? 2020-02-26 06-11-40 PST brynn You have my email if you want to contact me. But I won't be around the Inkscape project for a good long while. 2020-02-17 17-00-23 PST brynn Actually, if we showed a proposed new page right now....we should probably wait to do that until after 1.0 is released. I've been told not to contact developers at all right now, apparently because they are so busy. 2020-02-19 14-45-36 PST brynn Yeah, kind of. But i'll find out shortly. 2020-02-24 10-59-19 PST brynn Hah, well, apparently not so valuable. I just hope someone cares enough to explain. 2020-02-20 13-50-00 PST brynn go, go, make him say it! (is this wrong?? if I'm out of line just say so) 2020-02-20 11-48-38 PST brynn I can make a little bigger. 2020-02-20 11-45-36 PST brynn here it comes 2020-02-19 17-22-54 PST brynn Also need the Platforms section completely filled out. Unless where you have a dash, that means "No"?? 2020-02-19 21-46-50 PST brynn I can't find a version number for Illustrator. 2020-02-20 10-36-18 PST brynn Should I make the text for the footnotes smaller? I'm thinking so. ?? 2020-02-19 22-47-55 PST brynn Ok. See you next time. 2020-02-19 22-01-11 PST brynn US price is different. I'll add "USD". Ok, I'll take the version numbers out. 2020-02-19 21-54-15 PST brynn Still need the rest of the platform info 2020-02-19 21-10-59 PST brynn Yeah, the black box refreshes, but n othing else shows up. Still looking around 2020-02-19 20-01-44 PST brynn Actually, if you could fill in the rest of the table, I can probably finish fairly quickly. 2020-02-19 21-10-25 PST brynn That's the page I"m on, that in the screenshot. 2020-02-19 21-14-06 PST brynn Same thing. this is typical. I'm going to try to open a live chat. 2020-02-20 13-34-22 PST brynn @victorwestmann don't give up so fast. We might be changing their minds. 2020-02-17 16-37-37 PST brynn No, I don't mind if you add more to the competitor table. I didn't think we were finished with it. If you don't mind, could you use the same features we already agreed on, And then below that, add the new ones that you want. Then my poor old brain won't be confused. And once I see them, we can organize them as needed. I think we probably have close to 10 already? I'm happy with whatever you decide for the other programs. As long as you can gather the info that's needed. I suggest we don't show the table by itself to the rest of the community. I suggest we put it on the page with our best effort. When they see it as a proposed change to the website, they will pay attention. If we just show they table, they will just say, set it up how you want it on the website, and then show us again. In some ways, this is a very bottom line kind of community! Plus, half or more of the website team is trying to get 1.0 ready. So the less time we ask for right now, the better. I mean, I'm talking about the final table that we would put on the website, and need the approval of the website team. But if you want to show it to others, to get more input, before we finalize it for the website, go ahead. Regarding waterfall and agile. With just you and I, we can be totally agile. Or if you want to bring more heads into it, invite them in! As far as when we put it on the website, it still is kind of agile, because there are a lot of website editors. When we show it as a proposed new page, people might want changes. And maybe someone will not see the proposed page, and after its published they will see it, and edit something. Nothing is ever really set in stone, in this kind of community. Hold on, let me look at it. 2020-02-19 21-52-03 PST brynn Ok 2020-02-26 06-10-34 PST brynn comptable.txt (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/WmENtQrkn3jMe4uR5/comptable.txt) 2020-02-19 14-43-31 PST brynn Otherwise, the column conforms to the text inside. But I want extra white space, to make it look nicer. 2020-02-19 14-39-08 PST brynn No, no. 2019-12-10 14-24-53 PST brynn Hi. I just answered in bug migration channel. 2020-02-19 15-08-20 PST brynn I think I got it. I have a screenshot to show you what I have for a start. Not sure is I can attache it here? I'll try. That's the bottom of Features page and top of table. 2020-02-19 21-00-58 PST brynn Maybe use a footnote? 2020-02-17 17-27-09 PST brynn Ok. At the moment, I'm trying to finish up another project (notifying 3rd party extension authors that their extension probably won't work with 1.0, so they can hopefully fix them). Only about 40 out of 300 left! But as soon as I finish that, I'll start working on Features page. 2020-02-26 06-10-09 PST brynn I already deleted the pages, but I think I saved the table itself as html. Let's see.... yes, I have it. It's pretty small, I guess I could attach here? It's a TXT file. I'll try to attach it next. I think territorialism is probably part of what happened. But mostly it looks like they just didn't give us enough time. They just made a snap judgement without seeing what was possible. So I think that's just too bad for Inkscape, and it will be a long time, if I ever come back and particpate. 2020-02-17 13-20-41 PST brynn Well no, I didn't have any idea what you had in mind. Of course there are people in the community who know how to write html to create a page like that. But you've seen the Inkscape website. For the most part, that's our limit. It might be possible to put an interactive image on one of our pages, but we would have to consult Martin. I don't personally know how to do it. I guess it would have to be....well....I just don't know. It would have to be an image format which allows active links, or....I don't know. Let me investigate a little. There are parts of the website which I don't understand, but maybe they would allow an interactive image. I'll have a look whenever your table is ready with comparing other programs. Then we'll work on the Features page and see what we can do. But it won't be anything even remotely close to the Affinity website. That would need an entirely new website design. I agree that the current website is not appropriate for promoting a graphics program. I very much want to get more graphics onto the site. And putting more graphics is not out of the question. But a page like Affinity is out of the question - at least for now. There has been some talk (although I haven't heard much lately) about making a responsive design. This stupid fixed width website is a pile of crap, in my opinion. But I haven't heard any talk about it in a while. Everyone is busy trying to get 1.0 released right now. It would really be a bad time to bring up a new website design. 2020-02-17 15-30-56 PST brynn I thought you said you wanted it on Features page? I thought Download page would be better, because that's where I would look for it. But I'm ok with Features though. I don't think About page would work. Because look at the kind of info that's on the About page currently. It's nothing about systems or features or anything very specific at all. It's all very general and introductory info. It wouldn't fit there. I don't know what Agile or Waterfall means, reagarding tables. You'll have to show me. Which table you want small and then grow? For min req, I thought we agreed on it, how it is -- the one I attached in the forum? I thought we agreed on that, and that's what we were going to use. 2020-02-20 13-36-32 PST brynn Yeah, when Martin doesn't like something, he starts spouting all this technically advanced language to try and confuse us ordinary users. Makes me raving mad! 2020-02-17 16-57-46 PST brynn Is it going to take you longer time to get the rest of the info that you want? 2020-02-13 19-06-35 PST brynn Do I need to be a member of twitter to see their response? Or did they just not answer yet? 2020-02-19 20-34-17 PST brynn Oh, well that makes it easy then! 2020-02-19 14-42-50 PST brynn Table width will be 100%. I need column width. 2020-02-17 16-48-22 PST brynn I don't know if it will work to paste this in here. It's the list from the last email we talked about this. It has the features organized a little better. For example, Community Driven, Respects Your Freedom, Allows to Study Source, all are different facets of open source development. So we should combine them somehow. Let's see if this list will paste in here: >> Price >> License >> Free and Open Source (Community driven?, Respects your freedom?, also includes Allows you to study source code of the program) (all that in a footnote?) >> Platforms Offered (add Run from thumbdrive?)? >> Written In >> File Formats Supported (approx number of formats, not the list of formats) >> Strictly Conforms to SVG Standards)(with link to the standards page) >>>> Native SVG file format? >>>> SVG/XML Editor >> Languages available >> Commandline and Scripting Support >> Needs internet connection? >> CMYK features? >> Live Path Effects >> Flowed Text >> AutoTrace (raster to vector) Wow, does Inkscape really offer over 50 languages? I think it tries to, but I don't think it succeeds. We should maybe ask Maren what would be a good number to put there. Or maybe say "up to 50" ?? 2020-02-19 14-40-27 PST brynn But if you remember the code, that would be a shortcut 2020-02-19 14-39-45 PST brynn I'm using w3schools site to refresh my memory, but can't find the code for column width. So I went to their forum to ask. 2020-02-20 14-17-13 PST brynn You're welcome. I'l catch back up tomorrow. 2020-02-19 21-03-00 PST brynn Yeah, that blank row is for iPad. I just need to know which programs can work on iPad. 2020-02-20 12-01-04 PST brynn comptable6.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/2ScCrWMNbSsMndxPg/comptable6.png) 2020-02-20 11-45-43 PST brynn comptable5.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/o2nshmX7tG2yfXwms/comptable5.png) 2020-02-19 20-04-54 PST brynn Do you have any idea who made the Features page as it is now? It might help to chat with them, in case we need to remove part of it, to make room. 2020-02-19 21-57-23 PST brynn Unless I take out the word "version" it's too long for all those numbers. Which way do you think is better? 2020-02-20 00-42-06 PST brynn although it does imply that you have to have nothing less than Windows 10 to run Inkscape.... Not sure about that, since I'm on Windows 7 !! 2020-02-17 16-56-26 PST brynn Regarding can we publish it. We can't publish anything without showing it as a proposed new page, and then not getting any complaints. 2020-02-20 08-18-04 PST brynn new screenshot - first draft 2020-02-19 21-54-31 PST brynn comptable3.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/ETdfPNkjYdKxqYJZu/comptable3.png) 2020-02-19 21-49-49 PST brynn So I should call it "CC 2020"? 2020-02-19 22-15-42 PST brynn REally? Wow! 2020-02-19 21-50-41 PST brynn Couldn't find for AFfinity either. 2020-02-19 17-29-26 PST brynn Also, need number of file formats supported. 2020-02-20 11-50-22 PST brynn Not all data is there. There are still some missing parts 2020-02-17 16-56-37 PST brynn You want it on the Features page, right?

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