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29 Apr '21

2020-12-17 10-15-43 PST Izumi Midoriya hello 2021-01-04 12-09-47 PST Moini Private Group (room_changed_privacy)

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[Webmaster] Rocket.Chat, 2 Users, 3 Messages, 0 Files, 508557 Minutes, in Direct Message Between: moazin & speleo3
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29 Apr '21

2020-05-10 13-06-33 PDT Moazin Hi Thomas, could you please share your email address? I wanted to start a discussion over email with all the mentors regarding how I am going to spend the community bonding period. 2020-05-10 13-09-00 PDT Moazin Thanks 2020-05-10 13-08-38 PDT Thomas Holder thomas(a)thomas-holder.de

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29 Apr '21

2020-06-17 10-35-57 PDT Mc (but ultimately it should be @speleo3 's decision as he's your main mentor and who should see how "on schedule" you are for now - a few days, if you are on time with the proposed schedule (and not falling behind), is completely doable to recover -) 2020-06-17 11-31-48 PDT Mc (french-speaker comment : "Forme" means "Shape" in french, so the fact that both functions exist is quite amazing :D ) 2020-06-17 10-25-10 PDT Mc :) 2020-06-17 10-33-08 PDT Mc imo taking three days (20-21 is a weekend) to get the end of academic year done with (rather than asking for an extension) is a reasonable ask 2020-06-17 10-26-19 PDT Moazin There is a matter that I need to discuss with you mentors. 2020-06-17 10-28-19 PDT Moazin So the thing is as you would probably know I am in the senior year of my university. (I was supposed to have graduated by June). Due to COVID, the university was closed and then they started some online education system too. The exams and my thesis were scheduled for later. However, suddenly they sent us an email telling that we have to submit our thesis on 24th June and deliver a presentation on 29 June. It's very hard to manage this with GSoC. I was wondering if it would be possible to do reduced work for the upcoming few days, I'll of course make up for it. I totally understand if this is not possible, in that situation I'll have to ask the university to give me an extension in the project which will have its own downsides. 2020-06-17 10-25-24 PDT Moazin Hi Everyone 2020-06-17 11-03-50 PDT Moazin Thanks @speleo3 and @Mc. I am really grateful that you guys are very helpful and supportive. :-) I'll try my best to get done with understanding `Shape::ConvertToShape` and `Shape::ConvertToForme` within the next 3 days and then get started on the thesis. Hopefully when I get back to coding after 25th I'll be ready to start coding these. 2020-06-17 10-28-46 PDT Moazin I was thinking of working as much as possible for the next few days and taking time off from 20 to 25 June. 2020-06-18 00-14-12 PDT Moazin Interestingly, both of them do the opposite job. One is path -> digraph and the other one is digraph -> path :D 2020-06-17 10-29-16 PDT Moazin Do you guys think it'd be possible? 2020-06-18 00-16-25 PDT Moazin I have learned some other words too. bord -> edge, batard -> bastard, aretes -> edges 2020-06-17 10-31-50 PDT Moazin A brief update on the project: I finished the work with Path Simplification (which was the goal for the first two weeks) and am working on understanding the Path -> Digraph -> Path part. 2020-06-17 10-59-47 PDT Thomas Holder @moazin I think your thesis should have highest priority. Your progress looks great so far, taking a week off to work on the thesis is perfectly fine with me. 2020-06-17 12-04-23 PDT Patrick Ha, next-level overloads :-D

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[Webmaster] Rocket.Chat, 2 Users, 99 Messages, 5 Files, 1158016 Minutes, in Direct Message Between: leonard.shelby & ipatch
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29 Apr '21

2019-02-18 10-08-13 PST Leonard Shelby I am afraid I am not experienced enough, but I'd like to help where I can 2019-02-14 12-54-21 PST Leonard Shelby Screenshot 2019-02-14 at 21.53.52.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/vmcft5qC4ptyBwLKv/Screenshot%202019-0…) 2019-02-16 12-30-45 PST Leonard Shelby yep, that arm does the hw encryption also 2019-02-16 12-22-08 PST Leonard Shelby of course, getting it signed asap won't hurt 2019-02-16 13-53-24 PST Leonard Shelby and most of what i do happens in chrome already.. just some apps like inkscape, photoshop, freeecad,.. don't have a web frontend yet 2019-02-16 12-16-45 PST Leonard Shelby yeah i don't use it either. that dialogue is default for all apps outside of their garden now 2019-02-16 11-49-24 PST Leonard Shelby but while it is in a tab, the mouse pointer does not hit the right spot 2019-02-18 10-10-03 PST Leonard Shelby I use both apps on a day to day basis, also both apps compiled from terminal.. :/ 2019-02-16 13-30-30 PST Leonard Shelby i'm peeking hard at chrome/chromium os 2019-02-18 10-17-40 PST Leonard Shelby how about you? 2019-02-14 12-57-10 PST Leonard Shelby inkview is just a viewer, but that probably means once I get to compile/run it without errors, it will be hires as well 2019-02-16 12-25-00 PST Leonard Shelby the viewer gets sluggish on retina when the window is big 2019-02-14 12-35-03 PST Leonard Shelby same for 'make install' 2019-02-16 13-18-19 PST Leonard Shelby the new macbook air does not have one either.. but it has that arm chip 2019-02-16 11-56-07 PST Leonard Shelby `gtk_window_set_transient_for(GTK_WINDOW(data->dialog), GTK_WINDOW(dt_ui_main_window(darktable.gui->ui)));` 2019-02-16 12-13-14 PST Leonard Shelby Screenshot 2019-02-16 at 21.13.03.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/gp53o5RTJksBsH9Ex/Screenshot%202019-0…) 2019-02-16 12-29-26 PST Leonard Shelby for the new air and mbp w touchbar.. they have an arm chip with some secure boot stuff that makes it impossible 2019-02-16 11-49-02 PST Leonard Shelby as a workaround you can drag the tabs out and it will be in a new window 2019-02-16 12-31-24 PST Leonard Shelby besides those ssd's being soldered onto the mainboard, just like the ram 2019-02-16 11-44-44 PST Leonard Shelby Screenshot 2019-02-16 at 20.28.19.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/xMEZcudCSTgMk4g86/Screenshot%202019-0…) 2019-02-14 11-56-28 PST Leonard Shelby that fixed it, maybe it's something to add to your instructions 2019-02-16 13-58-58 PST Leonard Shelby maybe, or any other nice hardware that runs chrome efficient 2019-02-18 10-12-40 PST Leonard Shelby i invent simple products.. so I do the logo design, instruction manuals, patent drawings.. all in inkscape 2019-02-15 13-42-48 PST Leonard Shelby It is so much better than the public available 0.9x dmg's. Even when it is not signed, has no native menu yet, ..are you working on an app bundle/dmg? 2019-02-16 13-17-00 PST Leonard Shelby oh, no.. i like to have an esc key 2019-02-16 12-21-31 PST Leonard Shelby they will tighten it even more as was said in #team_devel_mac 2019-02-16 13-24-49 PST Leonard Shelby "Putting the MacBook Pro into suspend mode works, but it doesn't wake up again." 2019-02-16 13-25-01 PST Leonard Shelby that's just ridiculous 2019-02-16 12-34-24 PST Leonard Shelby and I don't want to use windows 2019-02-16 14-00-17 PST Leonard Shelby i am kind of trying to shift to webapps, so that i can transition away from apple someday 2019-02-16 11-45-50 PST Leonard Shelby theres just no need for a right-click to run the app when signed 2019-02-16 11-57-23 PST Leonard Shelby "Dialog windows should be set transient for the main application window they were spawned from. This allows window managers to e.g. keep the dialog on top of the main window, or center the dialog over the main window. gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons() and other convenience functions in GTK+ will sometimes call gtk_window_set_transient_for() on your behalf." 2019-02-16 12-33-36 PST Leonard Shelby i've been checking out some laptops but can't find anything that i'd go for at the moment 2019-02-16 11-51-36 PST Leonard Shelby i'm not a coder.. and c++ stuff is hard to read for me. anyway, I'm comparing the inkscape code with the darktable code right now as darktable has got that one sorted. 2019-02-16 12-27-43 PST Leonard Shelby no audio, no wifi,.. 2019-02-16 12-36-00 PST Leonard Shelby i hate the mac keyboard for its unreliability. i have to keep it perfectly clean and still get sticky/non moving keys from time to time 2019-02-14 11-47-03 PST Leonard Shelby (I have downloaded the MASTER source from gitlab and started cmake from that directory) 2019-02-16 12-20-10 PST Leonard Shelby right 2019-02-14 11-56-06 PST Leonard Shelby "brew unlink gettext && brew link --force gettext" 2019-02-16 12-27-12 PST Leonard Shelby on older ones it might work... for the current ones i believe it is impossible 2019-02-16 10-59-35 PST Leonard Shelby yes, a signed app would be nice, and soon probably even required. but the available inkscape builds are not yet signed as well. 2019-02-16 11-46-47 PST Leonard Shelby walls are en vogue, i guess :/ 2019-02-14 12-37-23 PST Leonard Shelby `turbos-MBP:inkscape-master turbo$ ./bin/inkscape ** (process:27398): WARNING **: 21:36:31.563: Units file /Users/turbo/Downloads/inkscape-master/share/inkscape/ui/units.xml is missing: Failed to open file ?/Users/turbo/Downloads/inkscape-master/share/inkscape/ui/units.xml?: No such file or directory (process:27398): Gtk-WARNING **: 21:36:31.564: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. ** ( :27398): WARNING **: 21:36:31.739: Failed to load resource: style.css from /Users/turbo/.config/inkscape/ui/style.css or /Users/turbo/Downloads/inkscape-master/share/inkscape/ui/style.css ** ( :27398): WARNING **: 21:36:31.739: Failed to load resource: menus.xml from /Users/turbo/.config/inkscape/ui/menus.xml or /Users/turbo/Downloads/inkscape-master/share/inkscape/ui/menus.xml ** ( :27398): WARNING **: 21:36:31.739: Can't open file: (doesn't exist) ** ( :27398): WARNING **: 21:36:31.740: Unable to open PowerPoint fontfix file: /Users/turbo/Downloads/inkscape-master/share/inkscape/extensions/fontfix.conf PowerPoint ungrouping compensation in WMF/EMF export will not be available. Pango version: 1.42.4 ** ( :27398): WARNING **: 21:36:31.764: Fonts dir '/Users/turbo/Downloads/inkscape-master/share/inkscape/fonts' does not exist and will be ignored. ** ( :27398): WARNING **: 21:36:31.764: Fonts dir '/Users/turbo/.config/inkscape/fonts' does not exist and will be ignored. ** ( :27398): WARNING **: 21:36:31.764: Failed to load resource: inkscape-application.xml from /Users/turbo/.config/inkscape/ui/inkscape-application.xml or /Users/turbo/Downloads/inkscape-master/share/inkscape/ui/inkscape-application.xml InkscapeApplication: file not read! ( :27398): glibmm-CRITICAL **: 21:36:31.764: unhandled exception (type Glib::Error) in signal handler: domain: g_convert_error code : 1 what : Invalid byte sequence in conversion input` 2019-02-16 12-12-17 PST Leonard Shelby Screenshot 2019-02-16 at 21.10.54.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/tu2e6rJZ6QnGCeNsz/Screenshot%202019-0…) 2019-02-18 10-09-14 PST Leonard Shelby another open source app I am using is facing the same issues right now (freecad) 2019-02-14 12-34-52 PST Leonard Shelby it got to 100%, but the last lines were errors: make[2]: *** [share/templates/CMakeFiles/inkscape_default_svg] Error 2 make[1]: *** [share/templates/CMakeFiles/inkscape_default_svg.dir/all] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 2019-02-14 12-29-55 PST Leonard Shelby I am getting an unlimited amount of warnings during make right know.. but fingers crossed, 85%.. 2019-02-16 11-48-26 PST Leonard Shelby there is just one annoying bug that i come across.. new inkscape gtk windows open as tabs. that's fine for documents, but not for open/save/about/pref dialogues 2019-02-16 13-55-32 PST Leonard Shelby touch and stylus support 2019-02-16 13-20-06 PST Leonard Shelby although thats probably archievable with some hacking i guess 2019-02-16 13-52-27 PST Leonard Shelby it is lean and fast 2019-02-15 13-37-17 PST Leonard Shelby Hey.. I have copied the folders from inkscape/share/ dir to inkscape/share/inkscape/ and it runs.. thanks for your help! 2019-02-16 13-55-10 PST Leonard Shelby and well, it is embracing touch. that's really what bugs me the most on macbooks 2019-02-16 11-46-23 PST Leonard Shelby yes, apple is building its walled garden 2019-02-16 12-27-34 PST Leonard Shelby i've tried a few distros on mine (late 2016).. no chance 2019-02-14 12-47-12 PST Leonard Shelby the compiled inkview binary works, also in retina :) 2019-02-14 12-35-45 PST Leonard Shelby and trying to run the binary i get a few warnings + critical error 2019-02-16 11-50-09 PST Leonard Shelby the 'hit area' is below the pointer. exactly the height of the tab-bar 2019-02-16 13-17-46 PST Leonard Shelby yes 2019-02-16 12-26-13 PST Leonard Shelby on a macbook? 2019-02-16 13-23-25 PST Leonard Shelby https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux 2019-02-16 13-19-38 PST Leonard Shelby exactly. no audio, no wifi, .. actually, even on latest live distros not even working graphics or even keyboard 2019-02-18 10-11-44 PST Leonard Shelby yes, it is my swiss army knife for everything related to vector gfx 2019-02-16 13-26-19 PST Leonard Shelby also palm rejection is something that I have never been happy about in linux or windows 2019-02-14 11-45-43 PST Leonard Shelby Hi! I'm following your instruction for the gitlab source homebrew build. cmake fails for me: CMake Error at /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.13.4/share/cmake/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:137 (message): Failed to find Gettext libintl (missing: Intl_INCLUDE_DIR). I don't know how to fix that, can you give me a hint? 2019-02-14 12-50-04 PST capin yeah the icons were updated for hidpi 2019-02-16 12-02-45 PST capin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBDtCh3hQ78 2019-02-16 13-24-19 PST capin wow 2019-02-16 12-12-51 PST capin what do your security settings look like in system prefs 2019-02-16 12-30-21 PST capin yeah i've heard about that. don't really care tbh cuz it doesn't affect me. and i've heard that the storage can't be upgraded either 2019-02-16 13-18-19 PST capin and some of your hardware still doesn't work with a 4.x series linux kernel? 2019-02-16 10-19-05 PST capin yeah i spent some time working on bundling an **.app** using the native CMake tooling, along with doing some research, ie. I believe CMake also supports codesigning along with DMG building. 2019-02-16 12-26-22 PST capin yeah 2019-02-16 12-46-19 PST capin i take it you bought a mbp with a touchbar? 2019-02-16 12-13-13 PST capin Screen Shot 2019-02-16 at 2.08.55 PM.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/e3aWid5MsipJ5obck/Screen%20Shot%20201…) 2019-02-16 13-17-25 PST capin is the 2016 model the last one without a touchbar? 2019-02-16 12-28-26 PST capin really didn't know that. and yeah my box will be 6 years old this year. real glad it still works great, and def not planning on buying a new mpb when and if upgrade my box 2019-02-18 10-19-15 PST capin nice. don't get paid to do work with Inkscape, main squeeze is primarily web dev 2019-02-16 13-58-07 PST capin ohhh so you are refferring to using a chromebook? 2019-02-16 12-02-45 PST capin maybe i'm missing something but i don't get prompted about security settings. 2019-02-16 12-30-48 PST capin and messed around with those keyboards on the new mbp and their awful 2019-02-16 13-17-52 PST capin nice 2019-02-16 12-29-10 PST capin i helped get the webcam drv for linux going a few years back for my box 2019-02-16 13-44-53 PST capin hmmm, haven't messed with chrome OS at all. how is that different from something like Ubuntu / Debian? does it have better hardware support for your box? 2019-02-18 10-10-41 PST capin is your main squeeze using inkscape for gfx work? 2019-02-16 14-52-32 PST capin yup yup 2019-02-18 10-10-11 PST capin lulz 2019-02-16 12-26-46 PST capin then migrated away back to macOS 2019-02-18 10-10-01 PST capin haven't messed with freecad yet, i'll try and take a look here in a bit. 2019-02-16 11-43-07 PST capin hmmm, i don't remember if the one i downloaded from the inkscape website was signed or not ...downloaded it a while back. 2019-02-16 12-26-35 PST capin i used run arch a few years back 2019-02-16 12-15-45 PST capin interesting, i wonder if i've set my settings to be more relaxed somewhere through the CLI and have forgotten what i've set. 🤷‍♂️ and personally i don't use any app store apps on macOS so building a bundle that is compatible with the mac app store isn't relevant to me at all. 2019-02-16 13-24-28 PST capin that's pretty shitty 2019-02-14 12-28-29 PST capin i tend to build things in an env that i **don't** use for daily work. ie. a custom `$PATH` and what not to avoid those sort of errors. 2019-02-16 12-25-13 PST capin yeah i need to invest more time in moving away from macOS as my primary OS 2019-02-16 11-45-32 PST capin i'm on 10.13.x if that makes a difference 2019-02-16 12-17-25 PST capin hmmm that must be something they've tightened since the release of 10.14 2019-02-16 12-28-43 PST capin really that's lame 2019-02-18 10-05-45 PST capin you have plans for trying to build an app bundle of Inkscape v1.x ?

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[Webmaster] Rocket.Chat, 2 Users, 22 Messages, 0 Files, 1019368 Minutes, in Direct Message Between: nivel1br & jabiertxof
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29 Apr '21

2019-05-28 07-15-36 PDT Jabier Arraiza could you explain in #team_devel, more people better 2019-05-28 07-14-09 PDT Jabier Arraiza Hi, are you in hackfest? 2019-05-28 06-53-57 PDT Jabier Arraiza hi 2019-05-28 07-16-13 PDT Jabier Arraiza you are welcome 2019-05-28 07-12-23 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva i got the reson 2019-05-28 07-14-21 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva nop 2019-05-28 06-08-01 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva hi 2019-05-28 07-15-52 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva ahh 2019-05-28 07-12-28 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva reason** 2019-05-28 07-14-36 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva i am from Brazil 2019-05-28 07-15-55 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva thank you 2019-05-28 07-12-37 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva but i do not know how to fix 2019-05-28 07-16-26 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva thank you again 2019-05-28 07-11-25 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva i was without internet 2019-05-28 06-39-20 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva hi 2019-05-28 07-15-52 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva ok 2019-05-28 07-12-16 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva i am trying to fix it 2019-05-28 06-08-02 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva good morning 2019-05-28 07-14-42 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva it is so far of me 2019-05-28 07-12-05 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva i noticed some problem in new plugin process 2019-05-28 07-11-14 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva hi 2019-05-28 07-14-43 PDT Ederson Luiz Silva :(

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2020-12-08 16-45-45 PST 💖Dera💖 hello. 2020-12-08 16-50-20 PST 💖Dera💖 ok i'm back 2020-12-08 16-46-46 PST 💖Dera💖 If you join i am afk for rn 2020-12-08 16-43-34 PST 💖Dera💖 Room name changed to: girlsclub by Dera 2021-01-04 12-09-23 PST Moini Private Group (room_changed_privacy) 2020-12-09 16-01-17 PST 💖Dera💖 no_quiz was set owner by Dera 2020-12-09 16-01-30 PST 💖Dera💖 no_quiz was set moderator by Dera 2020-12-09 16-01-05 PST 💖Dera💖 no_quiz was set leader by Dera 2020-12-09 16-01-26 PST 💖Dera💖 no_quiz is no longer leader by Dera 2020-12-09 16-01-41 PST 💖Dera💖 no_quiz is no longer moderator by Dera 2020-12-09 16-01-23 PST 💖Dera💖 no_quiz is no longer owner by Dera 2020-12-08 18-47-08 PST NO_QUIZ Has joined the channel.

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[Webmaster] Rocket.Chat, 2 Users, 6 Messages, 0 Files, 297658 Minutes, in Direct Message Between: Tricia & Moini
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29 Apr '21

2020-10-04 00-02-59 PDT Tricia Hi, hope you can help me solve inkscape issues, 2020-10-04 00-03-47 PDT Tricia also, can you create an inkscape app, it is easier for users. 2020-10-05 05-53-36 PDT Tricia ok 2020-10-04 00-04-16 PDT Tricia thank you. 2020-10-04 00-03-23 PDT Tricia it says inkscape can't work and has internal diffculties 2020-10-04 04-25-01 PDT Moini Please use the public user support channel for any questions. Thank you.

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[Webmaster] Rocket.Chat, 2 Users, 34 Messages, 0 Files, 579541 Minutes, in Direct Message Between: moazin & Moini
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29 Apr '21

2020-03-22 05-59-47 PDT Moazin However, I didn't receive any email giving me the temporary password 2020-03-22 05-59-28 PDT Moazin He set the username to be "Moazin" 2020-03-22 06-03-08 PDT Moazin [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/Moini?msg=qvPLRa7T8uwJypn4Q) This, I didn't understand. Could you elaborate? () 2020-03-22 06-02-37 PDT Moazin or "MoazinK" that's fine too 2020-03-22 05-59-06 PDT Moazin Hi Moini 2020-03-22 06-08-46 PDT Moazin thanks a lot 2020-03-22 06-02-31 PDT Moazin if that's availabe 2020-03-22 05-59-14 PDT Moazin Thanks for offering help 2020-03-22 06-02-27 PDT Moazin [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/Moini?msg=oxeDMnvDfganvqAa9) If choosing a different username is going to work then I can go for "Mk" () 2020-03-22 06-08-52 PDT Moazin Username is "Mk"? 2020-03-22 06-13-16 PDT Moazin Lol I didn't know it was in the documentation channel :P I was looking in the wrong place. And yes, I am new, slower! :D 2020-03-22 05-59-35 PDT Moazin and the email to be "moazinkhatri(a)gmail.com" 2020-03-22 06-09-46 PDT Moazin I was just looking for it too :D 2020-03-22 05-59-21 PDT Moazin Tav actually created an account for me 2020-03-22 06-13-49 PDT Moazin Thanks a lot for the help btw, Just changed the pass! :) 2020-03-22 05-59-58 PDT Moazin So I guess due to the same issue? 2020-03-22 06-08-44 PDT Moazin Okay, I'll inform him that :) 2020-03-22 06-12-18 PDT Moini (you're new, I can more easily afford to tell one of the old hands what to do...) 2020-03-22 05-59-15 PDT Moini Hi! 2020-03-22 06-07-41 PDT Moini But I can ping him about it, too. 2020-03-22 06-01-59 PDT Moini So he's going to be able to do it better next time. 2020-03-22 06-07-27 PDT Moini Looks like not only Patrick needed to read it, but Tav also. 2020-03-22 06-11-35 PDT Moini Faster :-P 2020-03-22 06-00-52 PDT Moini Or you need to choose a different user name. 2020-03-22 06-00-04 PDT Moini I know. I think I wrote about it yesterday... 2020-03-22 06-01-47 PDT Moini And probably, you should give the permalink to my message to Tav... 2020-03-22 06-00-23 PDT Moini I cannot change your email address. 2020-03-22 06-09-38 PDT Moini Yep. I'm still looking for my message from yesterday.. 2020-03-22 05-59-31 PDT Moini Ah, cool :) 2020-03-22 06-00-41 PDT Moini So if you want to keep the user name, you must find someone who can. 2020-03-22 06-02-42 PDT Moini I'll try it out now. 2020-03-22 06-07-05 PDT Moini It was available. Your temporary password is: Baephu9Woovo Please change it as soon as possible. I meant the message I sent to the user or devel rocket.chat channel yesterday about the email issues with the Wiki server, and what I do to prevent problems. I was talking with ede123 about it. 2020-03-22 05-59-52 PDT Moini Lol.... 2020-03-22 06-14-31 PDT Moini :)

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[Webmaster] Rocket.Chat, 1 Users, 1 Messages, 0 Files, 297038 Minutes, in Direct Message Between: judith.mott & judith.mott
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29 Apr '21

2020-10-04 10-25-15 PDT Judith Mott first time user....trying to select font for text. will click on font and it shows in the selection box but when I select size it goes back to "ink free" ????? How do I get it to use the font I select.

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[Webmaster] Rocket.Chat, 2 Users, 64 Messages, 0 Files, 458238 Minutes, in Direct Message Between: datalot & jabiertxof
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2020-10-11 15-40-19 PDT Jabier Arraiza Puedes confirmarme si en el ultimo cambio no casca el appimage? 2020-10-10 19-00-21 PDT Jabier Arraiza 4AM slicing..... 2020-10-12 13-10-09 PDT Jabier Arraiza no no lo utilizan 2020-06-14 18-34-23 PDT Jabier Arraiza Muchas gracias!!!!! 2020-10-10 18-32-56 PDT Jabier Arraiza joder con mi castellano 2020-10-10 18-53-26 PDT Jabier Arraiza de todas maneras he arreglado el slice para que fucione con toda la familia ;) 2020-12-14 12-03-31 PST Jabier Arraiza Ya lo miraré gracias! 2020-10-10 18-33-08 PDT Jabier Arraiza peor que el ingles!!!! 2020-10-10 18-15-11 PDT Jabier Arraiza llamalo satelite y original, es mas claro 2020-10-07 13-48-04 PDT Jabier Arraiza Buenos días, disculpa la tardanza estaba liado. No es más facil, es simplemente mas potente. El tema es que los LPE no son destructivos y pueden generar elementos que lo modifiqen como knots (puntos verdes), paths(curva bend) o otros elementos basados en el elemento original(mirror symmetry con split items o meassure segments), no obstante algunos se añaden a la interface sin necesidad del dialogo, como en las curvas spiro o bspline con la herramienta pen/cil. Espero haberte aclarado!!!! 2020-10-11 15-45-14 PDT Jabier Arraiza Solo para tu informacion la parte importante de un backtrace la obitienes poniendo bt enter al final 2020-10-11 02-49-22 PDT Jabier Arraiza i see the MR feed 2020-10-10 18-32-43 PDT Jabier Arraiza jerarquia 2020-10-11 02-49-27 PDT Jabier Arraiza lo vi! 2020-10-10 18-16-07 PDT Jabier Arraiza hereda la forma y opcionalmente lar traslaciones. Tambien se pueden resetear los estilos al original 2020-10-11 15-09-59 PDT Jabier Arraiza joderrr que me olvido que hablas mi idioma!!!! 2020-10-11 15-09-16 PDT Jabier Arraiza no problem usualy is better one comment but if has videos visualy you loose position/reference 2020-10-10 18-59-23 PDT Jabier Arraiza creo que ahora esta mejor ya me diras, voy a dormir 2020-10-10 18-17-36 PDT Jabier Arraiza hijos impica una gerarquia de arbol que no existe 2020-10-12 02-13-11 PDT Jabier Arraiza Tienes que compilar en modo debug (va mas lento) añadiendo a tu orden de cmake: `-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug` 2020-10-08 05-48-21 PDT Jabier Arraiza No estoy de acuerdo, los LPE permiten extender capacidades,luego si se aplican al flujo normal porque son muy útiles perfecto. Y si requieren computación extra depende de cada lpe y de la acción aplicada 2020-10-11 02-36-26 PDT Jabier Arraiza I have todat 2 messages, you remove it, no crash? 2020-10-11 15-09-40 PDT Jabier Arraiza you test latest commit? 2020-10-10 19-00-28 PDT Jabier Arraiza time to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 2020-10-11 16-52-12 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/jabiertxof?msg=viBrqNrJHBBQXcRuc) A ver, déjame probar... () 2020-12-14 00-37-12 PST Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Creo que algunos de estos ya están en Inkscape, pero aquí tienes algunas ideas para crear LPEs ya que veo que es como que lo que mejor sabes hacer o más te ha gustado por estos días: https://www.arakne.es/en/inkscape-1-0-shapes-extension-new-version/ 2020-10-11 16-56-22 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Tengo entendido que se llaman debug symbols... Pero no sé cuáles son los debug symbols of Inkscape 2020-10-11 13-19-09 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Y lo siento por poner todo en un solo comentario {>. 2020-10-10 18-14-03 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Es decir, aparte de heredar únicamente la posición cuando el padre es movido y el `Allow transform` está inactivo, ¿Hereda algo más? 2020-10-10 18-58-58 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Déjame probarlo... Ya vi el commit. 2020-10-10 18-34-02 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Lo importante, *a veces*, es la comunicación, no el medio. 2020-10-10 18-33-18 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Inglés, Español, Castellano... It always happens. 2020-10-06 22-11-32 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez A eso me refiero. 2020-10-11 16-52-00 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Sí. Es un crash de hace bastante tiempo ya, solo que ahora se propagó del `File > Open` al `File > Save`. master parece estar sumamente inestable por etos días. 2020-06-14 11-46-04 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Además puedes instalar Grammarly, el cual te ofrece fuertes correcciones de escritura en casi cualquier campo de texto. Realmente es potente y ofrece estadísticas bastante útiles, pero no es más que una herramienta y, como todas, a veces te dejará pensando si es correcto o no lo que ofrece. 2020-10-06 22-09-03 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Una pregunta: ¿Es más fácil hacer un LPE que implementar "eso mismo" en Inkscape? 2020-10-11 13-19-50 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Es que en los inbox es preferible un solo comentario porque sino el correo se llena de ruido. 2020-10-10 18-33-38 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Pero como siempre digo a la gente que sueleve vivir corrigiendo: Si entendiste, no lo dijo mal. 2020-10-10 18-59-55 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Qué haces despierto jajajaja 2020-06-14 11-46-22 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Es todo. Saludos desde Venezuela. :grin: 2020-10-10 18-14-48 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez En condiciones especiales, no lo sé. 2020-06-14 11-44-29 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Te recomiendo encarecidamente que uses https://www.deepl.com/Translator en vez del traductor de Google. Este primero es mucho más capaz y te permite corregir las frases y contextos en la traducción. 2020-10-06 22-10-55 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez No me he puesto hasta ahora a revisar los LPEs ni su UX ni nada de ellos... Solo sé que existen y en muchas ocaciones utilizo mucho dos o tres de ellos... Pero sí me he dado cuenta que los desarrolladores han preferido incluir LPEs más que una implementación directa en Inkscape... No sé si me explico. 2020-10-10 18-30-14 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Gracias por aclarar. 2020-06-14 11-43-28 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez ¡Hola! Veo que siempre resaltas que tu Inglés no es el más adecuado. Yo lo veo bastante bien, aunque no sé qué tan difícil se te haga leerlo. 2020-10-11 16-55-44 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez 0x00007ffff7fc5bd8 in ?? () 2020-10-11 16-54-39 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Wow es bastante in formación @_@ 2020-12-14 00-37-56 PST Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Creo que algunos ya se podría decir que existen, pero en general con los vídeos se ven bastante bien. 2020-10-06 22-11-36 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/jabiertxof?msg=dMTeDu2JnKsPZZeGn) Returning: () 2020-10-12 13-05-17 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Ah claro... Gracias. Yo hago eso en local, pero supongo que los GitLab's AppImages no utilizan ese flag en su script, ¿o me equivoco? 2020-10-11 13-18-53 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Jajaja sí te lo había escrito por aquí pensando que no iba a abrir GitLab pero como no lo pude replicar en Master (compilado, no en AppImage) me intrigó mucho porque casi pierdo un trabajo como de 30 minutos (La imagen que puse en #team_ux)... Así que me puse a testear para hacer un comentario. 2020-10-10 18-14-34 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Color, forma, propiedades, atributos... 2020-12-14 00-38-32 PST Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez ¡Suerte! 2020-10-10 18-59-48 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Descansa, Jabier. Feliz... 2020-10-06 22-08-38 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Buenos días Jabier... 2020-10-06 22-11-23 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Por ejemplo, tu Slider: ¿Existe una forma de hacer slide en Inkscape (sin LPE)? 2020-10-11 16-55-40 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez ¿Qué necesito instalar para que no me salgan los signos de interrocación en el backtrace? 2020-10-10 19-00-03 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Ya duerme tranquilo 2020-10-07 15-36-22 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Ok, comprendo perfectamente. Ahora bien, ¿Se ve afectado el rendimiento de Inkscape tras la aplicación de un LPE, o el LPE hace que el objeto afectado se convierta en un objeto nuevo? — Es decir, tras aplicar una serie de LPEs a un objeto (me refiero solo a seleccionarlos, no a "Apply", lo cual destruiría el LPE), ¿se necesitan recalcular las cosas cuando le cambio el color al objeto o lo muevo? 2020-10-10 18-59-49 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Wow 2020-10-07 16-24-43 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Verás tengo mucho tiempo sin actualizar mi inbox#1461, pero hay algo que me perturba un poco y es que yo no considero que los LPE deban existir como herramientas aparte >>>nada más<<<. El historial o la forma en la que Inkscape maneja el historial es extremadamente básica, y si bien es cierto que gracias a Command Palette y Macros esto podrá ser mitigado, aún así considero que muchísimas características de todo esto pueden combinarse en un solo diáligo. En este sentido, para Inkscape hacer un Boolean Operation no será diferente de aplicar (literalmente, "Apply") un LPE. Haciéndo posible hacer modificaciones justo después de presionar el atajo de teclado de la Boolean Operation deseada. — Esto también aplica para Transforms, Fill and Stroke, Selection, Text, o básicamente cualquier posible movimiento que haga el usuario... Esto es más o menos como funciona Blender, aunque tú no puedes hacer una modificación y luego hacer otra y luego Ctrl + Z para modificar la anterior. Con Inkscape y ese sistema eso sí sería posible, y solo necesita UI Design, porque en términos prácticos todo eso ya existe en Inkscape, pero no es accesible por el usuario. 2020-12-14 00-38-28 PST Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Es una página de una extensión de Inkscape que hace exactamente eso, así que creo que hasta podrías aprovechar ese mismo código. No tengo idea. 2020-10-10 18-58-26 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez Hm... No sé cómo interpretar eso. 2020-10-10 18-13-29 PDT Jean Franco Amoni Rodríguez ¿El hijo de de un slide hereda algo de su padre tras el separamiento?

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29 Apr '21

2020-10-30 10-36-41 PDT Rachana Hi Maren! I am interested in documenting my changes in the release notes for Inkscape 1.1 :slightly_smiling_face: 2020-12-08 10-13-49 PST Rachana There is some math in the code that is connected to the range of calligraphy tool width(0-100) that I'm not entirely sure I understand, so I think this issue needs to be added to the backlog so someone better suited to work on this can pick it up 2020-10-30 10-44-39 PDT Rachana yup that's perfect, thank you 2020-10-30 10-41-04 PDT Rachana And just to confirm: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CreateAccount&returnto=W… 2020-12-08 10-14-22 PST Rachana Sorry for the late response, I've been busy with finals. Happy holidays :christmas_tree::slightly_smiling_face: 2020-10-30 10-43-35 PDT Rachana username: rachanapodaralla 2020-10-30 10-41-13 PDT Rachana this is the right link to create an account right? 2020-11-08 08-37-11 PST Rachana Let me know if I need to change anything, thank you! :) 2020-10-30 10-43-31 PDT Rachana Ah, sorry for the confusion! that makes sense :slightly_smiling_face: 2020-10-30 10-47-19 PDT Rachana Yes, thank you! :slightly_smiling_face: 2020-10-30 10-38-16 PDT Rachana Do I need to have a wiki account already? 2020-11-08 08-36-43 PST Rachana Hi Maren! So I added my updates to the release notes under the "Calligraphy Tool" section: https://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php?title=Release_notes/1.1#Improvemen… 2020-12-08 10-11-21 PST Rachana Hi Maren! I took a look at increasing the maximum width for the calligraphy tool from 100 to 1000 2020-10-30 10-42-59 PDT Rachana oh okay, so you're going to create an account for me with my username/email? 2020-10-30 10-43-45 PDT Rachana email: rpodaralla3(a)gatech.edu 2020-12-10 05-45-38 PST Moini Hi Rachana, no problem, you don't need to justify yourself! I hope your finals went well, and I wish you all the best for any upcoming holidays! (yeah, that's a bit unspecific, but I don't know what and if you will celebrate anything ...) 2020-10-30 10-43-09 PDT Moini Yes, that's why I need them :) 2020-10-30 10-44-11 PDT Moini User name will start with a capital letter, that's a weird property of the Wiki. 2020-10-30 10-39-27 PDT Moini (but access is only on request, because of spam) 2020-10-30 10-46-38 PDT Moini Thanks for your help! 2020-10-30 10-42-05 PDT Moini (and you can't create an account there, only admins can) 2020-10-30 10-45-56 PDT Moini Your password is Chiethual8Zu . Please change it as soon as possible :) 2020-10-30 10-37-40 PDT Moini Hi Rachana! That would be great! For giving you access to the Wiki, I need an email address and a user name from you. 2020-10-30 10-44-49 PDT Moini Ok, copy-pasting... 2020-11-09 16-21-54 PST Moini Sorry, I forgot to reply ... Thank you for adding your new feature! 2020-10-30 10-44-28 PDT Moini So it's going to be Rachanapodaralla 2020-10-30 10-39-11 PDT Moini Yes, if you'd like to put your changes into the release notes, that's the only way :) It's a Wiki, everyone in the community can edit. 2020-10-30 10-41-52 PDT Moini That's Wikipedia! Our release notes are in the Inkscape wiki at https://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php?title=Release_notes/1.1 2020-10-30 10-42-26 PDT Moini We're also using MediaWiki, like Wikipedia. 2020-10-30 10-46-28 PDT Moini You should be able to edit the Release notes now to add your work to them. 2020-10-30 10-39-59 PDT Moini It would help if every developer documented their own changes, but most don't.

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29 Apr '21

2019-04-14 11-14-00 PDT SrrReal I am trying to understand the team in its fairly initial days... that's where this question comes from 2019-04-14 10-53-15 PDT SrrReal First things first... could you tell me a little bit about how you came to be a part of Inkscape? 2019-04-14 09-16-48 PDT SrrReal I want to check with you if we could chat for a bit about Inkscape? This is for the course project I am working on... I am studying Inkscape as a case of a FOSS community to understand how the identity of a community is shaped by its contributors. 2019-04-14 12-25-14 PDT SrrReal Haha that's true! Final question... Inkscape seems to have certain values, core to it - such as passion, patience - would you think there are ways in which this becomes visible to users or folks outside the community? 2019-04-14 10-59-32 PDT SrrReal over two years? 2019-04-14 12-46-41 PDT SrrReal no hurries! 2019-04-14 12-42-59 PDT SrrReal definitely! I am planning to share my draft ethnography with all of you - and I am hoping I can translate some of into non-academic useful posts/documents for the team and community 2019-04-14 11-34-19 PDT SrrReal Amazed because often one reads about how open source communities can be tough spaces to navigate? That there is a certain way you need to ask questions... that people maybe rude, etc, etc. Somehow, I don't see it here... Would you say Inkscape is different in that sense? 2019-04-14 12-36-37 PDT SrrReal Are there specific people you feel I should speak to, to better understand some of these things? 2019-04-14 10-50-16 PDT SrrReal Hi Michele, now would work for me as well! 2019-04-14 11-13-25 PDT SrrReal When you got on the Vectors team, what were some of the things you and others worked on at that time? 2019-04-14 12-40-59 PDT SrrReal Thanks a lot for your time to speak with me, I really appreciate it! 2019-04-14 12-05-20 PDT SrrReal Maren is a rockstar on the user channel from what I have seen! Always always seems to have answers for all kinds of questions relating to Inkscape! 2019-04-14 10-52-36 PDT SrrReal great! 2019-04-14 12-46-02 PDT SrrReal I was also wondering - I created the welcome survey as a doc... in the content repo... I wasn't sure how to proceed after this - https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/content/blob/master/articles/Welcome%20… 2019-04-14 10-51-35 PDT SrrReal I love how you are asking all the questions I thought I would be asking :'D 2019-04-14 12-44-53 PDT SrrReal Yes, more power to us! 2019-04-14 09-19-17 PDT SrrReal I have interacted with a few users so far and those who have made contributions on and off to Inkscape... It's helped me understand how they view Inkscape from the outside, what they value in it, etc. Now I am looking to speak with folks who have been more involved with the project to understand how they see Inkscape 2019-04-14 11-49-10 PDT SrrReal And to think that all of this is volunteer driven! different people, different takes - all come together. There's a lot of discussion, back and forth but it is always civil and respectful 2019-04-14 11-07-42 PDT SrrReal when you say you had become a big fan, that's because of their features? or being cost effective or other reasons? 2019-04-14 12-40-13 PDT SrrReal Perfect, I'll definitely go over the Facebook group as well! 2019-04-14 11-21-44 PDT SrrReal oh this was the article? the first one you worked on? 2019-04-14 12-23-02 PDT SrrReal yep, that's really useful. I'll remember to check some of the closed issues too! 2019-04-14 11-51-32 PDT SrrReal Like you had mentioned earlier, people discussed about choosing tools... how do discussions, where there is disagreement, get resolved? I am curious about this because the calm in the conversations almost feels natural 2019-04-14 12-35-00 PDT SrrReal yes, that does directly speak to my question on visibility. 2019-04-14 11-39-23 PDT SrrReal to an extent it does make sense... at least the good people part from what I have seen. Why do you say Inkscapers are also rebels? 2019-04-14 09-14-42 PDT SrrReal Hey Michele! 2019-04-14 09-19-50 PDT SrrReal Would you be interested in chatting about this? 2019-04-14 12-43-42 PDT SrrReal since it is only for a course project, it might be limited in scope but nevertheless I shall share my work 2019-04-14 11-24-15 PDT SrrReal introducing an open source doc meaning which tool to use? that sparked a lot of discussion? 2019-04-14 10-59-19 PDT SrrReal ah I see, so Vectors has been around for a while now? 2019-04-14 11-46-54 PDT SrrReal oh yes, the inkscape_user channel is brimming with life almost 24x7! 2019-04-14 12-46-14 PDT SrrReal ah ha, the timing! :D 2019-04-14 12-11-39 PDT SrrReal the issue flow seems useful once I figured out that's how it works. Once I opened my first issue, the chaos cleared and began to make better sense. I would assume it must intuitive now! But to begin with, it must have been a totally unheard of work flow, isn't it? How did we get here? 2019-04-14 11-12-25 PDT SrrReal Oh yes, totally. When I first opened a simple house clipart I had created, as a vector, I was thrilled to understand the math behind it! 2019-04-14 12-35-42 PDT SrrReal This has been such a great conversation, Michele! Very useful for my research as its given me a lot to think about and go over but also as a team member, very inspiring! 2019-04-14 12-46-34 PDT SrrReal sure! take your time! 2019-04-14 11-33-04 PDT SrrReal In the few weeks since I have joined I have witnessed the passion and patience repeatedly.. and I have been amazed! 2019-04-14 12-21-21 PDT SrrReal Oh okay, I'll make a note to look at some older issues to get the picture.. and I think the team has then come a long way, now using the repo for graphics as well 2019-04-14 10-50-38 PDT SrrReal It should take about 20-25 minutes. 2019-04-14 11-01-06 PDT SrrReal Thank you! I think earlier Ryan also mentioned that Vectors has been around for 2-3 years or so... I think he mentioned in the team meeting last week 2019-04-14 10-51-56 PDT SrrReal If it is okay to chat, we could continue this way? 2019-04-14 12-01-02 PDT SrrReal sure 2019-04-14 11-01-46 PDT SrrReal Just to go back to what you said... You were using Inkscape (versus other alternatives) because? 2019-04-14 12-00-32 PDT SrrReal could you give an example here? Maybe an instance where you felt people really collaborated well to get something done? working through decisions or differences patiently... 2019-04-14 11-49-27 PDT SrrReal where do you feel that comes from? 2019-04-14 12-49-47 PDT SrrReal Sure, we can collaborate on the issue and comments. Bye bye! 2019-04-14 12-23-22 PDT SrrReal Oh I didn't realise we have been chatting for close to 90 minutes! 2019-04-14 11-42-39 PDT Michèle Thibeau Oh definitely! People here seem to be outsiders, another good movie, or folks who don't need to conform to all of society's standards. I believe that this is part of the glue - spoken or not - that holds us together. I've learned more about some of the people here in the space and they have tremendous values and respect those who have different ones when we come together to share about advancing the project. Will this continue? Is it a continuum? Nothing stays the same in our world, in my humble experience. That's part of the beauty and the fragility. We are here now and next month things could change. Things will change. We are all volunteers, and so life and work and intrinsic motivation play powerful roles in how we interact and collaborate here. 2019-04-14 11-57-56 PDT Michèle Thibeau I hope that makes sense and answers at least one of your questions. 2019-04-14 11-55-55 PDT Michèle Thibeau People here are problem solvers. They have come to seek answers or to give back - to contribute. They come with respect - and if they don't, I don' t think they last long - and so they seek the same respect from others. This is a powerful, empowering community - at least this is what I have seen in my short time here. Are there personalities and history? Absolutely. At the same time, each one of us, as we contribute and interact, is changing the environment. We have choices to make in how we do it and why and when. In observing others at work and play, we see and we are invited to collaborate with allies. And to see everyone here as such. In my experience, I have seen a strong sense of people seeking to learn from each other, to lift up each other, to seek to encourage and empower each other to participate and grow. When things get negative, we have a choice in how or if we interact. Different people play different roles in this, perhaps others behind the scenes. It's all public and all open, so it's transparent - for good or for bad. We are real on here, warts and all. It seems to hold us more accountable and reveals very quickly the why behind our collaboration - the goals or objectives. Perhaps that's what leads to relationships being built. We're giving of ourselves and our skills and we're being (trying to be) good humans here. We're all in search of places where we can live that. Inkscape, in my experience, is that and more. 2019-04-14 11-04-26 PDT Michèle Thibeau Great question! I began using GIMP a number of years back, I want to say just under a decade ago, to do photo editing and then digital art. The idea was to own the rights to my work, so to use software I could afford that would enable me to do this. My partner helped me find GIMP way back and then Inkscape followed. Can't recall whether it was my find or not in searching for an alternative. I have become a big fan of these two tools, among others for other uses, and often hashtag them when sharing my work and speak to them and share them with friends and colleagues. I also use Inkscape at work for a variety of things. 2019-04-14 10-50-42 PDT Michèle Thibeau Okay, perfect. Would you like to chat like this or with voice or... let me know. 2019-04-14 11-45-21 PDT Michèle Thibeau If you're seeking to see some of the heart and soul of this project, head to the team_devel channel and or the inkscape_user channel. You'll see people in action, helping - serving others, selflessly. We all serve this community in our own way. Mine is often helping programmers and folks who are not on social media and not content writers to better share the message about our work here. It's a huge honour to be part of this community. And lots of fun. 2019-04-14 10-56-34 PDT Michèle Thibeau Sure. I have been using Inkscape in my digital art practice for a couple of years and I was following them on Twitter - where I posted my work during a # YearOfCreating project. One day in March 2018, I think, I spotted a tweet one Saturday at noon that said Join the Vectors Team meeting - no need to be a programmer - or something of that sort. I clicked on the link and landed in a Jitsi chatroom in a meeting and introduced myself. Ryan was leading the meeting - he offered to get me onto GitLab if I sent him my email. That's how it all began. 2019-04-14 12-19-05 PDT Michèle Thibeau When I saw that I needed to write something else, at one point I shared that with a couple of other team members and we looked at what was needed and potential solutions. The content repo has enabled me to get things done, similar to a document filing system, but with a few limitations. That said. the versioning part, once I figured out how to do it, was an eye-opener and is really cool! I am seeking how to add this to my other work. The code tool that should be more incorporated into document management. 2019-07-06 19-21-06 PDT Michèle Thibeau Hey SrrReal, are you still with us? Hoping your article went well. Will we ever get to see how it turned out? Take good care. 2019-04-14 12-44-10 PDT Michèle Thibeau That would be terrific! I am sure we can use some of your insights to help improve the community and to perhaps share what's working and why - gain partners, sponsors, contributors... that's generous of you to want to share. Thank you! And thanks for taking an interest in Inkscape for your work!! 2019-04-14 12-37-49 PDT Michèle Thibeau I'm so glad to help you out, SrrReal! Oh, and here's the link to the Facebook group, in case you wish to see things here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/inkscape.org/ I recall one message where we wrote a post about seeking donations for a hackfest and shared some updates for the project. Someone read that and shared that they had donated. There were thanks and encouragement. Sometimes here we can see the impact of our collective actions. This drives me to act some more!! We're changing the world, our world, one action, one collaborative community at a time. 2019-04-14 11-10-34 PDT Michèle Thibeau Features, enabling me to create, also being cost effective. Being able to create and share work and being able to think about accomplishing your dreams is powerful! I am still learning the tool; however, we create for so many reasons - mostly because we have an innate need to do so. My dreams are in motion and being able to figure out the vector side of the equation has been a big step in my learning curve in surface pattern design. There are many emotions attached to this - being a fan - joy being one of them. 2019-04-14 11-38-29 PDT Michèle Thibeau Don't think that I am not bridging several worlds beyond Inkscape. I work with an organization where we use Microsoft platforms. I see myself as working with tools and able to work with many - lots of budget or no budget - to get things done. I am lucky enough to have insight from many different sides of the coin. 2019-04-14 12-32-33 PDT Michèle Thibeau Your work will help bring us visibility in a good way, too! 2019-04-14 11-06-37 PDT Michèle Thibeau I might have neglected to mention a lack of budget to use Photoshop for personal projects and entrepreneurial ones. 2019-04-14 12-17-02 PDT Michèle Thibeau You can see a bit of an evolution when you look back in past issues. Those having to do with writing seem to have been left unfinished... sometimes because, as I did in the beginning, people left themselves open to discussion on whether or not points of view were accurate. (One particular issue comes to mind here). Once we figure out that we can effect change - we can propose something or do something and send it out here, that's key. I spent a couple of articles making edits within an issue... we got it done. And then I said, not working for me. I also had an opportunity to have a couple of chats with the gals to share and learn how things worked among folks. This was helpful. Most helpful was me stepping up to collaborate and I started asking about timelines and letting folks know what we needed. Sometimes it happened fast. Other times slow - as people were able. If I could, at times I intervened - courageously - and tweeted my own stuff. Once I got out of my own way, I could better see how I could play a role. Others support you in this and this leads to action. I was encouraged to start my first issues later. First others started them and added my name - as they had asked if I was interested in writing an article. Then they encouraged me - or I had some ideas - and opened my own. Exciting steps each time! 2019-04-14 10-49-43 PDT Michèle Thibeau Hi SrrReal, sure! I'd be happy to chat with you about Inkscape. Let me know when you'd like to do this. I have some time now - it's afternoon here, but I am not sure what time it is where you are... 2019-04-14 11-43-17 PDT Michèle Thibeau I am still new here. This would be good to keep in mind! 2019-04-14 11-37-02 PDT Michèle Thibeau I think people sometimes are who they are here. Chat is tough to negotiate. Someone here told me that most folks have thick skins. I just finished watching SOLO, the movie, and it might not be a bad comparison (though one the community might not all agree with - as it's a big movie) Han Solo is a rebel, but he's really a good guy. Inkscapers are rebels and good people. We like to make choices about how or with whom we collaborate in the world. Hope that makes sense. 2019-04-14 12-00-51 PDT Michèle Thibeau Good question. Let me think of one example... 2019-04-14 11-14-08 PDT Michèle Thibeau First I watched and tried to read what I could in terms of what others were working on. Before that I kept (and still do sometimes) getting lost in the virtual corridors on here. 2019-04-14 12-23-40 PDT Michèle Thibeau Once we get started... 8-) 2019-04-14 10-59-37 PDT Michèle Thibeau I think it's been around for a couple of years... perhaps, yes! 2019-04-14 11-19-16 PDT Michèle Thibeau When I began we were still on the Jitsi platform with an email chat. Then I watched a debate - rather opinionated and frank - about inclusion using video and chat at the same time, which left two discussions going on and perhaps fewer action goals being set and actioned (my impression) in a cohesive manner. There was more discussion, perhaps less action. Then the meetings began to be held on the chat here (I might have missed some in the middle). One Vectors meeting there were very few of us on the channel - Ryan, Chris, Bryce and myself, I think. Perhaps others in the background lurking. That's when the action of announcing a new program, that got its start with Inkscape - and is part of the inner workings, needed to be tackled. I stepped in and said that I could write a news article. It was a steep learning curve to understand the subject; however, I did it! With lots of help from Bryce and Maren and Prkos - and Ryan. Then I was helped into the role of working on content. Once I piped up, I was offered other writing tasks and invited to participate more. https://inkscape.org/news/2018/11/11/graphics-math-library-2geoms-first-rel… 2019-04-14 12-22-00 PDT Michèle Thibeau The issues - the history is there, even in the closed ones. You can see the flow. I am sure that I am not accurately depicting how things have evolved. 2019-04-14 12-47-30 PDT Michèle Thibeau I'm going to edit the document as there were a couple of things to tweak. Then perhaps we'll let folks know it's been updated to see if there's any other feedback. I'll have to review what else was suggested by Mihaela about the lime instance. I've recently seen and answered several surveys at work using lime, so I think it's something to stick with and explore. Funny how that works. 2019-04-14 12-34-08 PDT Michèle Thibeau [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/SrrReal?msg=wGZi8j6mtmvwTyjzt) And some of those that have been abandoned, perhaps only for now, but for a number of months. This is also helpful insight into priorities or changing priorities or processes. () 2019-04-14 12-03-02 PDT Michèle Thibeau Working on getting my first writing up on the web site. This meant that I had to work on chat with Maren to figure out lots of stuff I didn't know (about stuff I didn't know). She was so patient and we both have a sense of humour, so we figured it out. Since then, she's worked, along with Mihaela, to help me learn how to do more stuff. Then they still help make sure things are good to go. That would be one example. ALSO! Bryce read my initial draft and I asked him questions and used his answers as quotes. This was essential as the subject matter was beyond my comprehension. It was a stretch goal... I called upon my skills as a journalist and my curiosity and my courage to get it done - thanks to the generosity and patience of the other team members. 2019-05-25 13-45-32 PDT Michèle Thibeau Hi SrrReal! Just wanted to see how you're doing and how things are going on your end. 2019-04-14 11-12-49 PDT Michèle Thibeau 8-) 2019-04-14 10-58-47 PDT Michèle Thibeau I can add that among the first people, some voices, I met and interacted with were Ryan, Brynn, prkos, Tim and Maren and Doctormo and Bryce... it took me a while to find my place as there was less structure and I was new to the open-source environment - not new to virtual teams, but used to much more structure. 2019-04-14 12-42-04 PDT Michèle Thibeau You're very welcome. It was my pleasure. I am eager to see your work - hopefully we'll be able to read your writing and learn lots! If you need any more help, just let me know. 2019-04-14 11-28-23 PDT Michèle Thibeau It's a give and take. It's a team and sometimes you have to understand what's going on above and beyond a simple aversion to using a spreadsheet. Now I'd just put together the spreadsheet, which I'll do when we get to more advanced campaigns. I've grown in understanding how to interact and contribute here. Lots more learning, I am sure. However, I understand lots more and know that my contributions advance things - because they are collaborations - parts of a bigger whole. 2019-04-14 12-39-42 PDT Michèle Thibeau and Tim!! 2019-04-14 12-21-35 PDT Michèle Thibeau Yes, which is terrific! I am so glad. 2019-04-14 11-22-03 PDT Michèle Thibeau This led to other missions, such as me trying to figure out how to better organize writing content and the process. Attempting to wrangle how to work in an open source environment is a good project. Attempting to introduce an open source doc - a spreadsheet - launched tons of discussion. I decided to see this as "a whole lotta love here" and said so. I embarked upon a learning curve to work on collaborating to create the content repo - and a system for Vectors and content - and am still working on collaborating and learning with each new day here. I love it! Being in the weeds and holding a global perspective, eager to work where I can. I began as a developer - and now have maintainer access for the content repo. Lately I've begun to help with posting tweets, and so I've been given access to that platform to help. An awesome responsibility. One - all of them - I take seriously. 2019-04-14 10-52-06 PDT Michèle Thibeau Sorry! Former journalist... sure! We can chat this way. 2019-04-14 12-32-13 PDT Michèle Thibeau Great question! I'd say that those of us here or who have interacted with team members would see these values. People who know team members within the community might as well. Not so sure that we've tried or have been able to communicate it broadly. I welcome your insight and your research into this team, project, to better understand the global view. Your perspective is important in the evolution of the team, also as a snapshot of how and how we got here. Users who have sought help and found it here or on social media (particularly FB) would have received support based on those values. Some have contributed either to the project financially or otherwise once learning more about it - that we're volunteers - or to thank the community for its support. Other than that, I am not sure we're visible. Maybe that's okay, too. Different people play different roles and this team is growing - which is good - and so the way we collaborate will have to grow and evolve too in order to continue to get things done. This might seem like a disconnected segue. I see it as people seeing the values here and choosing to stay or not because of them. I believe that others are seeking similar safe places to grow and contribute and feel like respectful beings on this planet. Hope that answers your question! 2019-04-14 11-31-13 PDT Michèle Thibeau It's important to give back. This is my way of serving Inkscape for all it has and continues to give to me. 2019-05-25 13-46-34 PDT Michèle Thibeau I hope you're well. Sometimes things take a bit longer than we'd like to get off the ground. Been busy on my end here, and so less active to get in there. Looking forward to catching up and to seeing if we can get the survey on the agenda for the next meeting. Have a great weekend! 2019-04-14 12-38-35 PDT Michèle Thibeau Jabiertxof 2019-04-14 11-42-52 PDT Michèle Thibeau I feel like I am on a weird roll... 8-) 2019-04-14 11-30-40 PDT Michèle Thibeau The idea is that we need some structures in place in order to advance coherently. In order to share the project and woo others to come and join. No one else will write articles within an issue. I am so done with that. Instead of rebelling, I politely explained that it was not pleasant... and so there was a genuine interest in developing something that worked. This is what I love about this team - this project. We're a bunch of problem solvers who speak so many languages, hold so many points of view on so many topics (I am sure), who come together to keep the lights on here and serve users and each other with such passion, patience and humour. 2019-04-14 12-20-01 PDT Michèle Thibeau Things change because someone has a challenge, sees a challenge or sees one coming down the pipe. There are all sorts of discussions, chats or other. Depending on who is involved, things move forward with different tools, speeds and stuff. 2019-04-14 12-22-32 PDT Michèle Thibeau The repo was meant for stuff other than code - docs, infographics, images, and such to do with promotion. 2019-04-14 11-12-47 PDT Michèle Thibeau Okay, math is not my strong point! But I can imagine?? 2019-04-14 11-26-34 PDT Michèle Thibeau Yes, I wanted to use a spreadsheet to collect information for a social media campaign... since folks here are less used to that - and so didn't have an understanding of why I would suggest that - they were immediately not in agreement. Then we looked at ways of adding a doc sharing piece on here... which turned into using the power of Gitlab, which I agreed to do vs. disturbing the Force. 8-) 2019-04-14 12-38-10 PDT Michèle Thibeau Prkos, Maren, doctormo, brynn, Chris, Ryan, Bryce... 2019-04-14 12-47-48 PDT Michèle Thibeau Okay, catch you a little later or during the week! 2019-04-14 12-46-06 PDT Michèle Thibeau I'll aim to look at your survey a little later this evening, my time. Meanwhile, I am going to have to head off for a bit to get other stuff done. I look forward to collaborating with you on many more issues / projects. Enjoy the rest of your day/evening! 2019-04-14 11-59-02 PDT Michèle Thibeau There's a good dose of patience, too. We're all volunteers, and so we have to learn how best to work with each other and be grateful for what the other can make or do in the time they have. And at the same time seek to demonstrate how best we can improve on our collaborations without offending each other, but keeping it real. 2019-04-14 11-57-42 PDT Michèle Thibeau Is it because we chat? Is it because we don't have in-dept personal relationships? I don't know. I know more about a few people on here. When people are nice to each other and help each other, there's a bond that's created. Friendship or kinship or respect to enable us all to achieve the goals of the project. I might be naive. Likely. I'll continue to use that to see the world I see and carry on helping here. It's not all rosey. It's just real(ity). 2019-04-14 11-47-38 PDT Michèle Thibeau That's honestly the heart and the hub of this community - the power of open source that stretches across the planet! 2019-04-14 11-22-28 PDT Michèle Thibeau Yes - this was my first article - collaboration - with Vectors and Inkscape, beyond retweeting stuff. 2019-04-14 12-08-03 PDT Michèle Thibeau Another would be when some of the team members were in Pasadena for the SCaLE conference and before that the hackfest. I had been following along from here, as I could not get there. We're working on getting more remote opportunities to collaborate, but we're not there yet. I noticed that we had not been able to get any social media together for this conference. I had started, there was a plan. When I spotted Bryce there and reached out, he went and collected some pics and I wrote some tweets and he said yep, and so I posted them through my account. They gained some traction and Ryan shared them via Inkscape's account. I did the same thing with the Bug Migration Game... trying to see opportunities to help and share. I feel like Chris is taking a bigger role in being active on FB (he's not on Twitter) with this game. He's even seen how the content repo has enabled the Vectors to get stuff done - articles published, social out the door. He's started to open issues, too, especially when it was impossible to get things done without it. Someone suggested that the issue path was working for us. It's a learning process. It's exciting to see and be part of change that's leading to success. I am sure there are other ones, too, but these ones come to mind now. 2019-04-14 11-00-18 PDT Michèle Thibeau I can probably find that info for you. 2019-04-14 11-34-18 PDT Michèle Thibeau Absolutely! I still think this is the real story that needs to be told about Inkscape... thinking of ways to do so.

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2020-04-04 07-54-16 PDT Tim Jones Hi Ryan did you add access to Gitlab for Sonia? If not, can you please, many thanks :-) 2020-12-05 02-55-26 PST Tim Jones Hi Ryan, great to hear from you, I'm glad you are going to be joining the meeting today! Nice to have you back...☺️ I can lead the meeting, it's not a problem. 👍 There is a UI/UX brainstorm meeting one hour before Vectors if you want to lurk about there? I'm not sure what it's about? See you later. 🤗 2020-06-08 12-08-30 PDT Tim Jones Yeah, I agree, here's to next time and fighting the good fight... ;-) 2020-04-04 07-55-38 PDT Tim Jones not sure, I will talk her through it later, I've been super busy looking after parents etc... I'm a bit behind with everything thats going on... 2020-05-03 01-44-00 PDT Tim Jones Yes, of course, ready and waiting... I made contact with the guys from Destination Linux Network. They have a network of YouTube channels and huge viewer numbers. I spoke to the guy in charge, he was very keen to push out Inkscape news whenever it's available, now, and in the future! 2020-04-04 07-56-23 PDT Tim Jones You are a STAR sir! ;-) 2020-06-06 10-06-22 PDT Tim Jones Thanks Ryan ;-) 2020-05-05 07-43-30 PDT Tim Jones Hi Ryan, I was just looking at the Vectors Team Page: https://inkscape.org/*inkscape-vectors/ It occured to me, we should update our Vectors membership to better show case everyone involved. Is that something we can do? (if so how?) Or do we need Martin to add people? I'm just concious he is probably burnt out at the moment, and also, planning a break soon! 2020-05-02 11-05-58 PDT Tim Jones Thanks for getting back to me, 😊. Ahh, I see, no worries, I thought I was going crazy for a moment... lol 2020-05-02 08-09-46 PDT Tim Jones Hi Ryan, Is there a Vectors meeting today? 2020-06-06 13-24-22 PDT Tim Jones Hi Ryan,\ I had a chat on Discord with Nick earlier, he seems like a nice guy. I think we need to strengthen our Vectors stand point about Social outreach and On-boarding new people.\ Where ever there is an Inkscape community, be that on a "Free-Libre" platform or a Proprietary platform, we should not discriminate, they are Inkscape users and potential Contributors of the future.\ I know our Dev's push back on Proprietary platforms, but we are Social Outreach, it is part of our Mantra to reach out to these people and bring them into the fold.\ No Group or person should feel, or be made to feel like a second class citizen because they choose to talk about Inkscape on a non-free platform. The important thing is, they are part of the Inkscape "Community". We had an amazing turn out for the About Screen contest... 90% of entries came from users who are active on Facebook. Proprietary platforms cannot be ignored or pushed to the side, we need to embrace them and bring them in gradually, not put up Walls. Our biggest user base is Windows... I know the Team want everyone to be on the Forum or Rocket Chat, but that's not the real world. People will congregate where they want, we have to accept that and embrace it. (IMHO) I would love to hear your view, perhaps I'm too idealistic...? Thanks for doing all that you do, and always being a foundation for the Vectors Team. ;-) 2020-10-24 03-40-35 PDT Tim Jones Hi Ryan, Hope everything is ok? Just checking in... Stay safe and well. 🙂 2020-10-21 04-11-10 PDT Tim Jones Hi Ryan, :wave: I have finished editing the Inkscope Podcast interview with Sven Ebert. :movie_camera: I was wondering if it would be ok to get access to the YouTube channel, so I could upload directly myself? The video is in 1080p resolution with a 3.6GB file size. It might get a bit awkward expecting others to download the file from me, then upload to Youtube...? I understand if you would rather not increase the number of people with access, so don't worry about offending me... ;-) You might remember volunteering to be interviewed on the Podcast... :thinking: Can we make that arrangement now! :pray: I would like to keep the momentum going, if I can. :-) 2020-06-22 07-31-13 PDT Tim Jones Ryan, my dad was rushed into hospital last week, I've been going in every day. He had a heart attack last night. The doctors have advised me to stay in with him. I'm in a bit of a mess to be honest. Can you let the others know I wont be around for a while. I need to be with dad. Sorry to put this on you. Tim 2020-06-07 03-51-46 PDT Tim Jones Thanks, Ryan, I really appreciate your considered point of view. I believe we have a process to store login credentials in case a maintainer of a platform disappears? I think Maren knows more about that process, I will speak to her about it. I know Proprietary platforms can never be "Official" but we should perhaps look at some sort of "Affiliation" Badge. As long as the maintainer is active in the Inkscape team and attends Vectors meetings etc... Something to ponder and discuss at some point maybe? Thanks again for your support, it means alot! ;-) 2020-04-04 07-56-06 PDT Ryan Gorley No worries. She should be set on this side. 2020-06-22 07-40-35 PDT Ryan Gorley Of course! I'm so sorry, Tim. I'll be praying for you and your dad. 2020-06-06 14-13-01 PDT Ryan Gorley Yada yada. You're the man in charge. Let's do it. :) 2020-06-08 10-40-40 PDT Ryan Gorley I just read the issue and it seems like we were able to navigate that issue without too much drama. It's going to come up again I'm sure, but we'll keep pushing to be inclusive. 2020-06-06 09-42-05 PDT Ryan Gorley Thank you, Tim, for being willing to take on a more formal role helping us nurture the community. You have such talent in that regard. Don't feel like you need to do it alone, but I think your talents will go a long way here. 2020-06-06 14-09-06 PDT Ryan Gorley As a matter of resources we may need to encourage people who want "official" support to use the forum or Rocket.Chat. Spreading our attention too thinly is why we ended up consolidating forums in the first place, and it is a problem if people are going to Discord to get support. But that doesn't mean these communities can't serve each other (which is frankly what happens in most cases anyway), and when we have a larger team we can have a designated person for these platforms. As far as Discord, Nick sounds like he's committed to keeping that going, so there we go. 2020-06-06 14-06-08 PDT Ryan Gorley My biggest concern would be that we have adequate access to these groups that someone can't just hijack it and walk away, or more likely, lose interest and let it rot with no ability to claim it. 2020-05-04 11-16-38 PDT Ryan Gorley Sorry I missed this. Yeah, they're a fun group. Great work! 2020-05-02 10-11-10 PDT Ryan Gorley Sorry! We had it last week because we thought the launch would be yesterday. We missed you. I should have sent out a reminder it wasn't happening today. 2020-05-02 22-02-51 PDT Ryan Gorley Well, we missed you last week. I'm glad you're still healthy! It sounds like we will _probably_ be releasing 1.0 Monday evening. I've got to hear back from Chris, but I may solicit your help pushing an announcement out to Facebook if you're available. 2020-12-04 16-25-49 PST Ryan Gorley Hey @Tim, sorry I've been out of touch. I hope to join in the meeting tomorrow. It's probably best if I don't try to lead that though, since I'm a ways out of the loop. Is someone else taking care of that? 2020-04-04 07-54-39 PDT Ryan Gorley Yes, I did. Is she having trouble getting in? 2020-05-05 09-07-54 PDT Ryan Gorley I think people can actually just join the group of the have a login on the site. I don't think there is any restriction. Let me see if I can do anything with my permissions... 2020-06-06 14-04-49 PDT Ryan Gorley I agree wholeheartedly. Twitter is proprietary, so is Facebook. I recognize that we should not require people to be on those platforms to interact with the project, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't meet people where they are at. 2020-06-06 14-12-30 PDT Ryan Gorley You can tell I don't feel as strongly about this as Martin. Let's welcome this community into the fold, along with any others that are floating around. Gimpscape (https://gimpscape.org/) is a huge Indonesian community that we need to try to incorporate into the official project somehow, at least make sure that someone in charge over there knows we want to support them however we can. 2020-06-06 14-05-12 PDT Ryan Gorley While Mastodon is technically open source, we're still using some third-party to host it.

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2020-12-23 08-37-06 PST Tim Jones Thank you @Tav and Merry Christmas ☺️ 2020-12-23 08-24-51 PST Tavmjong Bah Hi: https://www.patreon.com/tavmjong

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2019-11-17 10-04-22 PST Tim Jones @bryce Hi Bryce, Following a question I had about Vectors being able to vote for the final 5 submissions in the Dev Vote. Everyone has agreed that active contributors should be allowed to vote, but must be in the Dev mailing list. I have Joined the mailing list and logged in but it says I need to wait for confirmation. Can you process that for me? Many thanks :thumbsup: 2020-11-18 00-50-28 PST Bryce Harrington hi tim, just wanted to say thanks for your involvement. And, did you get your mailling list issues sorted? If not, plz follow up with Mc, he manages the mailman instance now.

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2019-11-12 13-18-59 PST Tim Jones Yes that's the one. Not sure why you dont see the tick? 2019-11-12 12-47-27 PST Tim Jones When it is fixed, I will mark it as "Checked". When you mouse over the image, a green Tick ✅ will appear. 👍 2019-12-01 07-47-50 PST Tim Jones Hi Jabier, Yes, please add that permission for me. Many thanks, 😊 2019-11-12 13-23-49 PST Tim Jones That's a good idea 👍 2019-12-02 03-29-52 PST Tim Jones Thank you Jabier, I really appreciate this. 😊👍 2019-11-30 09-33-54 PST Tim Jones Hi Jabier, It would be really useful to have the ability to Tag ALL Vectors in the "Team-Vectors" chat room. So when we create posts for Social Media, we can call everyone easily. Is that possible? Or something you are willing to do? It is ok, if you would rather not allow that! :-) 2019-11-12 13-21-59 PST Tim Jones The tick might be something Martin set up for me? 2019-11-12 12-17-25 PST Tim Jones Hi Just opening a PM for us to use ;-) 2019-11-12 13-24-51 PST Tim Jones Yes I can ask him 2019-12-02 06-51-27 PST Tim Jones That is great to know! Thank you. 👍 2019-11-12 17-27-12 PST Jabier Arraiza this entry is super slow to load and more bigger https://inkscape.org/~Lindelwa/%E2%98%85scape-splash maybe his meassurament is in mm instead in px 2019-11-12 13-20-08 PST Jabier Arraiza not know why 2019-11-12 13-22-42 PST Jabier Arraiza maybe 2019-12-02 03-37-47 PST Jabier Arraiza you are welcome! 2019-11-12 13-23-17 PST Jabier Arraiza anyway a red border on entries not aproved cool be good 2019-11-12 12-36-17 PST Jabier Arraiza there is a fixed tag or a string in comments to know a entry is accepted? 2019-12-01 06-47-39 PST Jabier Arraiza ping me when want to add 2019-11-12 13-24-26 PST Jabier Arraiza seems a easy thing if has code to tick 2019-11-12 12-34-28 PST Jabier Arraiza if dont pout nothing is accepted or not? https://inkscape.org/~jaigansa/%E2%98%85inkscape-10-splash-screen-jaigansa 2019-11-12 13-24-09 PST Jabier Arraiza you want to talke it with martin? 2019-11-12 13-24-57 PST Jabier Arraiza Thanks! 2019-12-02 03-37-59 PST Jabier Arraiza you can use in all channels 2019-11-12 13-14-42 PST Jabier Arraiza is this image show in the item extended also? https://media.inkscape.org/static/images/endorse/contest.svg 2019-11-12 12-26-26 PST Jabier Arraiza :) 2019-11-12 13-13-03 PST Jabier Arraiza I dont see on firefox 2019-12-01 06-47-26 PST Jabier Arraiza Not per room but I can give permission to anybody 2019-11-12 17-26-30 PST Jabier Arraiza Tim, I thin we dont need the list I ask to martin in devel channel for a generated files. If the user update a file the url change and we get outdated. 2019-12-02 03-39-17 PST Jabier Arraiza also this call is for users in each channel 2019-11-12 13-22-50 PST Jabier Arraiza make sense, I dont need 2019-11-12 13-20-02 PST Jabier Arraiza ok is set programaticaly, i can easy check. 2019-12-01 18-51-07 PST Jabier Arraiza Done! 2019-11-12 13-23-25 PST Jabier Arraiza to all people 2019-11-12 13-15-18 PST Jabier Arraiza https://inkscape.org/~victorac/%E2%98%85abstract-ornament 2019-12-02 03-39-43 PST Jabier Arraiza so you need to put sometimes in more than one place 2019-12-02 03-38-42 PST Jabier Arraiza if you want to write but not mail we pot a space between @ and all

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2020-11-16 06-56-56 PST Tim Jones Hi Chris, :wave: I was wondering if you could make some edits to the Inkscope animation for me? It would be awesome to have a Green background (The area outside the circle image). This way I can "Green-Screen" it onto any colour background, also remove the title that appears and fades out. Do you have a Business website? Do you have an online portfolio of your designs, that I can grab some images, to use in a slide show etc..? :slight_smile: 2020-11-11 12-13-30 PST Tim Jones Hi Chris, love the animation... :thumbsup: Ive not forgotten the interview, had a few family things crop up... as they do with Kids! Even adult Kids... :rolling_eyes: I have started to write my outline script for your interview. I just need some basic info, so I can start to build questions around you! 1. Your Name - what do you like to be called.? 2. Job title / description? 3. where you live in the World? (no need for exact location) 4. When did you join Inkscape Team? 5. When did you become a Govenor of the Inkscape Board? 6. What types of contribution have you made to Inkscape? i.e video, artwork etc... 7. what are you working on at the moment? No need to go into super detail here, leave that for the interview, this is just to give me some insight. ;-) I'm really looking forward to doing the interview. :-) 2021-02-22 07-16-14 PST Tim Jones You can post Youtube tutorials on the FB group, but you can't advertise a Patreon account. But if you advertise that within your youtube content, it is fine. We just don't support direct links to self promotion, or Stores etc... It leads to all sorts of mess. :-) 2021-02-22 07-17-04 PST Tim Jones Sounds great, good luck with it ;-) 2021-02-22 07-19-08 PST Tim Jones Yeah exactly, we want people to share their "How-to" video's. 2021-02-22 07-21-32 PST Tim Jones Yes, I have some people lined up, I also want to get Bryce on as well but I'm waiting until after you publish your article. I thought it would be a nice follow up? 2021-02-22 07-24-24 PST Tim Jones Yeah he does take a while to get back... Yeah I will contact him and try to get something arranged. Nice! :thumbsup: 2021-02-22 07-26-11 PST Tim Jones No problem, let's see if i can make it happen... No worries, to be honest life over xmas was crazy for me, family health problems are only just getting resolved so things should get back to normal here soon 2021-02-22 07-27-20 PST Tim Jones Great to be busy with work though, especially in these times... Life comes first! ;-) 2021-02-22 07-28-00 PST Tim Jones hahaha... they are good fun! 2021-02-22 07-28-38 PST Tim Jones We will get more out soon! :-) 2020-11-16 14-25-14 PST Tim Jones Hi Chris, thanks for the green screen version, so awesome! Yeah no rush for the images, when you have time. 👍 2021-02-22 07-29-05 PST Tim Jones thanks ! 2021-02-22 07-19-56 PST Tim Jones no problem :-) 2021-02-22 07-19-34 PST Tim Jones :thumbsup: 2020-11-16 12-53-27 PST C.Rogers inkscope_podcast_intro_greenscreen.mp4 (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/aT6orhDAbFwtBpdsL/inkscope_podcast_in…) 2020-11-12 03-31-47 PST C.Rogers 1. Your Name - what do you like to be called.? - Chris is fine, but should mention my name is C.Rogers in the project. 2. Job title / description? Designer - Products, Graphics, Video & Animation 3. where you live in the World? London, United Kingdom (I'm American, but have earned British Citizenship) 4. When did you join Inkscape Team? About 6 years ago (2015) 5. When did you become a Govenor of the Inkscape Board? About 3 years ago (2017) 2020-11-12 03-59-38 PST C.Rogers Oh, I'm also the official moderator for the project as of this year. 2020-11-12 03-56-48 PST C.Rogers Looking forward to the interview too! 2021-02-22 07-08-24 PST C.Rogers Wanted to pick your brain about something. 2021-02-22 07-09-02 PST C.Rogers I want to start a Youtube channel which teaches Inkscape from beginner through advanced techniques. 2021-02-22 07-10-08 PST C.Rogers I was wondering if it's okay with you if I post announcements for new videos on the Facebook page. I realise that it's a bit like advertising though, so I wanted to okay it with you first. 2021-02-22 07-16-37 PST C.Rogers Yea, understood. 2021-02-22 07-17-02 PST C.Rogers I hope you don't mind me occassionally promoting Doc's Patreon in the comments. 2021-02-22 07-17-47 PST C.Rogers I feel that's okay because it's not self-promotion, and it's actually helping Inkscape the application get better. 2021-02-22 07-18-23 PST C.Rogers Not to mention the fact that Doc really needs the exposure. 2021-02-22 07-19-41 PST C.Rogers Thanks again. :) 2021-02-22 07-20-01 PST C.Rogers Got any more Inkscope interviews lined up? 2021-02-22 07-20-20 PST C.Rogers (because you don't have enough to do, clearly) ;) 2021-02-22 07-22-24 PST C.Rogers Yea, I need to contact Bryce again about it. He wasn't responding, which is why I didn't push the article out. 2021-02-22 07-22-59 PST C.Rogers Actually, the podcast would be great material for the article. 2021-02-22 07-23-08 PST C.Rogers Could you do yours first? 2021-02-22 07-23-19 PST C.Rogers Then We don't have to bug him more than once. 2021-02-22 07-23-47 PST C.Rogers I can then link the interview into the article, and give it double the exposure. 2021-02-22 07-24-30 PST C.Rogers Bound to be some quotables in the Interview. 2021-02-22 07-24-50 PST C.Rogers Sorry to have unknowingly held up the interview. :) 2021-02-22 07-26-37 PST C.Rogers Oh good. Sorry to hear it's been rough. For me too work-wise. 2021-02-22 07-27-42 PST C.Rogers But honestly, I miss hearing your super wholesome Inkscape interview banter. lol 2021-02-22 07-28-05 PST C.Rogers So it's not for entirely unslefish reasons, lol 2021-02-22 07-28-53 PST C.Rogers Sweet! Very much looking forward. 2020-11-16 14-30-08 PST C.Rogers Sure. Will get them for you tomorrow. 2020-11-12 03-55-24 PST C.Rogers 6. What types of contribution have you made to Inkscape? i.e video, artwork etc... * Inkscape LGM video for 2016: https://youtu.be/QQmriP0NhtU * Hackfest stickers, coffee, etc. at Leeds, Paris & Kiel Hackfests. (will get you some good pictures) * The Great Inkscape Bug Migration game concept and art. * Inkscape 2018 LGM "Year in Review" video for 2019 LGM : https://youtu.be/Uxhb6AtXHCw * Inkscape swag for spreadshirt store - https://shop.spreadshirt.com/inkscape-shop * How to report Inkscape bugs in Gitlab video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y7_T_tbGAM * Inkscape 1.0 video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UHXkND4Sc 2020-11-16 12-52-54 PST C.Rogers Hi. Sure, here's a greenscreen version: 2021-02-22 07-32-28 PST C.Rogers Surething. :) 2021-02-22 07-24-36 PST C.Rogers Thanks! 2021-02-22 07-19-21 PST C.Rogers Cool. 2021-02-22 07-17-08 PST C.Rogers Thanks! 2021-02-22 07-08-13 PST C.Rogers Hey Tim. :) 2020-11-12 04-00-38 PST C.Rogers That's been a good deal of work. :) 2020-11-16 12-53-39 PST C.Rogers My business website is crogersmedia.com, but I'll get you some more images. 2020-11-16 12-53-50 PST C.Rogers Can I collect those for you tomorrow?

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2020-06-20 16-23-57 PDT d_duque68 What opinion do you deserve of this article that I recently found ... 2020-06-20 16-21-47 PDT d_duque68 Excuse me @Moini, I recently joined this suggested form of documentation and I do not have a good knowledge of it, I appreciate your valuable contribution. Thank you. 2020-06-20 16-24-29 PDT d_duque68 https://www.hackeame.net/como-abrir-archivos-eps-en-inkscape-aqui-la-soluci… 2020-06-20 16-27-26 PDT Moini I don't want to read a Spanish article about something I already know and do not need. Now please move your questions to the correct channel. Thank you!

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2019-06-04 03-49-38 PDT Geoffrey Fabry can you advise me here? 2019-06-04 04-01-09 PDT Geoffrey Fabry i will have a look at the link you've send me, thanks for that! 2019-06-04 04-00-21 PDT Geoffrey Fabry I just want the best solution and if Axidraw is the one, then that's the one :p 2019-06-04 03-59-56 PDT Geoffrey Fabry no problem 2019-06-04 03-49-33 PDT Geoffrey Fabry Hi Windell, sorry to bother you :-) 2019-06-04 03-59-46 PDT Windell Oskay There is a special software package for AxiDraw owners, called AxiDraw Merge, that does what you're asking. You can read the user guide for it here, and see if that would meet your needs: https://evilmadscience.s3.amazonaws.com/wiki/axidraw/software/axi-merge_v25… 2019-06-04 04-00-49 PDT Windell Oskay Well, please evaluate available data and make the right decision. No one wins if you're not happy with one of our machines. 2019-06-04 03-58-55 PDT Windell Oskay I can, but I am the author of the AxiDraw software, so you should understand that I'm not a neutral party.

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2020-11-15 08-37-33 PST Rachana Hey Jabier, I tried what you suggested and my change does not seem to affect the number of times dobeforeeffect is being called 2020-11-14 09-57-29 PST Rachana yes 2020-11-14 09-57-16 PST Rachana okay sure, I will go try that now. Thank you :slightly_smiling_face: 2020-11-15 08-41-39 PST Rachana awesome, thanks 2020-11-14 09-52-21 PST Rachana Hi Jabier! I'm working on this MR: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/merge_requests/2503#note_447551660. You added a comment about my changes adding more loops to the LPE stack 2020-11-15 08-40-24 PST Rachana yes, but I thought I need to get approval from someone before I can 2020-11-15 08-37-47 PST Rachana Do you know if its okay to merge yet? 2020-11-15 14-26-22 PST Rachana no worries! just take a look at it whenever you have some free time 2020-11-14 09-53-09 PST Rachana I'm new to this part of the code and I was wondering if you could elaborate on what that means 2020-11-15 08-41-42 PST Rachana :slightly_smiling_face: 2020-11-14 09-57-05 PST Jabier Arraiza if the number of workings are equal Bingo!!!! 2020-11-14 09-53-12 PST Jabier Arraiza is cool adition 2020-11-15 12-41-31 PST Jabier Arraiza Sorry forget it tomorrow update 2020-11-14 09-57-34 PST Jabier Arraiza :) 2020-11-14 09-56-12 PST Jabier Arraiza (plese add some string before press to keep position) 2020-11-14 09-54-10 PST Jabier Arraiza just add in a LPE with scalar widget in the function dobeforeeffect a cout 2020-11-14 09-56-41 PST Jabier Arraiza after it comment your improvement and do it again 2020-11-14 09-53-04 PST Jabier Arraiza yes 2020-11-14 09-54-59 PST Jabier Arraiza add a LPE of this type 2020-11-14 09-55-32 PST Jabier Arraiza and increase the value 1 time (pressing +or-) 2020-11-14 09-57-16 PST Jabier Arraiza you undertand me? 2020-11-14 09-55-50 PST Jabier Arraiza count the number of working show in console 2020-11-14 09-54-38 PST Jabier Arraiza `std::cout << "working" << std::endl;` 2020-11-15 08-41-04 PST Jabier Arraiza I do in some minutes 2020-11-15 08-39-53 PST Jabier Arraiza Yes, you have rights?

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2020-12-04 11-16-57 PST Mc January of which year ? 2020-12-04 11-25-11 PST Mc I think I can come to vectors to discuss the contest planned timeframe before 2021 2020-04-25 14-36-23 PDT Mc sure :D 2020-12-04 11-27-46 PST Mc TBF if he continues to act against what I consider the good health of the project that'll become what I want 2020-12-04 11-24-46 PST Mc no, rocketchat planned install date ^^ 2020-09-10 12-17-52 PDT Mc :/ 2020-10-27 10-16-15 PDT Mc yeah, I sent him an email quite recently and I had an answer after some time : he changed jobs, changed city, and lose a family member all at once, and is trying to find his new routine 2020-04-25 14-42-23 PDT Mc yeah I should be more relaxed next week (I hope!) 2020-12-04 11-30-32 PST Mc maybe 2020-12-04 11-29-42 PST Mc :/ 2020-12-04 11-25-40 PST Mc I ranted to doctormo only but I'm quite mad at how people run things 2019-10-12 07-11-36 PDT Mc I have a dilemma : I'd like us to take part in google code-in ( https://codein.withgoogle.com/ [high-school level program organized as a contest where we setup a large number of "tasks" ~2h each of various difficulty that students tackle. Could be code, doc, outreach, etc.]) because basically I've heard that it induces a boost in participation and attracts young long-term contributors to participating projects; however it is a *significant* investment : basically around 100hours/week on mentors (shared, not 100h each) during 8 or 9 weeks. The comments from #gsoc when I asked for advice were those : 23:02 < Mc> I'm unsure we (Inkscape) have enough man/womanpower to participate efficiently in google code-in... Do you have a rule of thumb on the number of mentors and of diversity of tasks that would be "nice to have" to try to participate efficiently ? 23:17 < terri> Mc: A few of us were saying elsewhere that we'd want about 20 mentors and 100 tasks prepared in advance, but it depends on how much time your mentors have to dedicate. 23:17 < Mc> ok, 20 mentors is impossible, that clarifies it :p 23:18 < Mc> (100 tasks is clearly doable though) 23:18 < terri> I know people who do it with 3, but at least one of them has no other job for those 3 weeks. :) 23:19 < Mc> Dec2-Jan21 ? 23:20 < terri> *shrug* or whatever it was the year in question. no clue what they're doing this year. :) 23:20 < Mc> I mean, this year it looks like much more than three weeks 23:21 < terri> yeah, that's why I'd want 20 people if I were running it for my org. it's easy to burn out, and lots of folk travel/have family commitments/etc. in that time frame. 23:21 < Mc> (8 weeks ?) 23:21 < fundamental> It's impressive that there are enough open source projects which can deadicate that level of resources 23:21 < terri> maybe I'm just mis-remembering how many weeks it was, though. 23:25 < terri> Mc: That said, that's *my* rule of thumb for a pretty wide umbrella, where we'd need different people for differnet parts of the project. If you've got a smaller subset but they're able to handle more tasks and are more available in that time... well, as I said, it *can* be done with 3 if you're willing to commit to a very high level of activity! 23:26 < terri> It might be better to try to guesstimate how many hours people can put in rather than how many people. 23:27 < terri> 20 people x 5 hours/week versus 10 putting in 10 hours each, or some mix of both. 23:28 < Mc> Ah yeah I can probably commit 3 hours a day most days 23:34 < Mc> 100h/wk would be your rough time estimate (after the first week(s), I guess) ? 23:35 < terri> yeah, something like that. you want "someone's going to be able to evaluate any student's task within a couple of hours" coverage 23:36 < terri> Since it's a contest, students get super nervous if they have to wait too long for task evals, and they can't accept a new task until their existing one is okayed. 23:38 -!- mode/#gsoc [+o meflin] by ChanServ Day changed to 12 oct. 2019 08:56 < PulkoMandy> hi Mc, I think the 20 people and about 100 tasks estimate is correct. However, remember that a part of this can be non-technical (both the tasks and the people). In our case at Haiku we have maybe 3 or 4 core devs mentoring in GCI, and most of our mentors are users or former GCI contestants who are not otherwise involved with the project, they do the 1st level support to the student and know when a particular task needs a more technical 08:56 < PulkoMandy> person to review it. So basically you may need to be a bit creative with how you find mentors for this I think if we include vectors and usual community members we can get to the right number of involved people ( Me, Jabier, Tav, doctormo, ede123, nathan, RdH, NPJ2000, Thomas Holder, CRogers, Maren, Tim, Michele, Mihaela, Ryan, Tedg, Lazur, Brynn, maybe Scislac and bryce ) to not burnout anyone (but me :P) and get a decent number of tasks across the areas of the program (code; documentation/training; outreach;QA;Design) but the bad thing is the timing : 8 weeks in Dec+Jan is basically when we wanted to focus on pre+post-release stuff so it's very badly timed for us (and it's yearly so if we want to try, it would be in a year); what do you think ? 2020-09-10 12-17-58 PDT Mc Hope he'll be alright 2019-10-05 10-50-42 PDT Mc OCAL: https://marc.jeanmougin.fr/share/all2.tgz 2020-04-25 14-40-41 PDT Mc ^^ 2020-10-27 10-17-10 PDT Mc he plans to come back "pretty soon" 2020-09-10 04-03-18 PDT Moini Just in case someone asks about Bryce, I think he's got other things on his mind currently than Inkscape, he's worried the wildfires will come nearer and he'll need to evacuate. 2020-12-04 11-32-00 PST Moini causally. 2020-12-04 11-27-33 PST Moini I don't want him to step back, but to responsibly deal with limited time availability. 2020-12-04 11-24-29 PST Moini About screen contest start? 2020-09-10 04-03-52 PDT Moini The arrow tip is where he lives. 2020-10-27 10-16-41 PDT Moini Merci! 2020-04-25 14-42-47 PDT Moini (for me, too) 2020-12-04 11-25-33 PST Moini Yeah. Bryce is afraid that people want to take responsibility from him. 2020-12-04 11-31-53 PST Moini I know he does, I just don't know if they are related :) 2020-10-27 11-10-05 PDT Moini Sorry for the pling :) Hoping things will settle down for Patrick quickly, as much as that is possible. 2020-09-10 04-06-17 PDT Moini Currently he's outside all warning zones. 2020-10-26 06-56-57 PDT Moini (ha, I just checked his profile on inkscape.org - Martin's spyware tells me Patrick has visited the website yesterday) 2020-12-04 11-28-21 PST Moini I can understand that view. 2020-12-04 11-27-42 PST Moini Which can mean to delegate. 2020-10-26 06-54-59 PDT Moini Hi Marc, do you know anything about why Patrick isn't here anymore? I thought he'd just be on vacation, but this is so long already... 2019-10-12 17-01-31 PDT Moini Mmmh. I have serious doubts we'd be able to do that with that set of contributors only. Better ask someone else, too, they might be more optimistic :) You, Jabier and Patrick will be quite busy with the release fixes. NPJ2000 is nice, but I'm not sure he's able to be of much help as a mentor... , Chris is chronically unavailable, just like Mihaela and Ryan (basically, they only come to the meetings and only occasionally are able to do what they signed up for), Michèle has a new job (same employer), but might be more available soon, maybe. Tim is already doing quite a lot, and often is unavailable unexpectedly, because of various family (health) issues. I don't trust myself to have the patience and time it takes, release stuff is enough for me. Brynn wants to reduce the things she does (e.g. she's going to stop moderating forums/galleries, closing her forum, and generally wants to do less). Bryce is kind of ... gone. Ted, Josh, Nathan, Martin, Lazur and Thomas, maybe ecke, too, might be the best candidates who could be able to invest some time. Btw. where does the number 100 for the number of tasks come from? Instructions for organizations are a bit scarce, I couldn't find anything useful. 2020-09-10 04-03-34 PDT Moini screenshot_2020-09-10_13-01-07.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/pHHGbiRm6R7yNsiwS/screenshot_2020-09-…) 2020-10-26 06-58-42 PDT Moini So at least he's alive and able to visit websites. Seems we don't need to worry after all. 2020-09-10 04-04-32 PDT Moini Wanted to let you know, because I intend to go off-Inkscape-line for a few days (except for reporting bugs, I suppose). Kielux preparations :) 2020-12-04 11-29-22 PST Moini Still hope he'll understand that we don't hate him, just want things to be dealt with. Up to now, I seem to have failed doing that. 2020-04-25 14-42-36 PDT Moini It's something to look forward to ;-) 2020-12-04 11-30-25 PST Moini (that's a guess) 2020-04-25 14-41-52 PDT Moini I was thinking of after 1.0, when things relax for you a bit. 2020-04-25 14-40-25 PDT Moini Thanks! I'm getting so many positive replies (that's cool), in the end we may need an extra contributor to turn them into a series :) 2020-12-04 11-25-48 PST Moini I only want him to take on his responsibility... 2020-04-25 14-40-42 PDT Moini So, no hurry for you, the form is online until October. 2019-10-05 12-41-46 PDT Moini Merci beaucoup! Downloading from your link now. 2020-04-25 14-26-29 PDT Moini I know you don't have a lot of time, and you've already given an interview - but maybe if you find some time later, we could have our own interview with you? The form's website is even in French ;-) https://framaforms.org/inkscape-contributor-interview-1587833730 2020-09-10 04-05-23 PDT Moini (url is https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/6329d5e4e13748b9b9f7f33f06a3c376/ ) 2020-12-04 11-24-56 PST Moini ah... :-/ 2020-12-04 11-29-48 PST Moini He's taking it personally, probably because he feels bad about not being able to do more. 2020-12-04 11-27-04 PST Moini He fears we want to get rid of him and sees this as a threat. I'm not good enough at making it clear to him that that's not what people want. Or at least, I hope that's not what people want.

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2020-06-23 18-52-52 PDT Uncle Mez Sorry to DM you without asking ! 2020-06-23 19-00-54 PDT Uncle Mez i'll install discord and check the channel some time and share some stuffs there and learn from people in there ! 2020-06-23 18-52-43 PDT Uncle Mez is that discord channel you mentionned a place where I can learn and improve ? 2020-06-23 19-03-30 PDT Windell Oskay You don't need to install anything, just follow the link.

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2020-02-28 08-13-14 PST Aadhish Sriram and about name does it have to pseudonym or real name? 2020-02-28 08-16-31 PST Aadhish Sriram Found it :) 2020-02-28 08-12-54 PST Aadhish Sriram Email: aadhishrm11(a)gmail.com 2020-02-28 08-26-45 PST Aadhish Sriram It's been changed already! Before I change it ;) 2020-02-28 08-13-44 PST Aadhish Sriram ok 2020-02-28 08-13-51 PST Aadhish Sriram Name: Phoenix181 2020-02-28 08-15-40 PST Aadhish Sriram and where should I login? 2020-02-28 08-15-33 PST Aadhish Sriram Okay 2020-02-28 08-13-34 PST Moini Any name is fine, as long as it starts with a capital letter, and isn't taken yet. 2020-02-28 11-56-03 PST Moini Ah, yes, seems like Marc was faster... Next time 🙂 2020-02-28 08-16-02 PST Moini There should be a login link in the top right corner of every wiki page. 2020-02-28 08-15-20 PST Moini Your password is: Eil7ceThey - please change it as soon as possible!

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2020-06-11 19-47-02 PDT Mandyt How do I turn off align at corner when layering images

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2020-05-10 09-43-18 PDT Jorge Toledo Not sure where Harvey, the author of that mockup, got them from. 2020-05-10 09-34-22 PDT Jorge Toledo Great! 2020-05-10 09-29-34 PDT Jorge Toledo Maybe looking at the titles gives you a hint 2020-05-10 09-29-14 PDT Jorge Toledo https://www.deviantart.com/bassultra/art/Inkscape-Redesign-345519518 2020-05-10 09-29-13 PDT Jorge Toledo It was based on this mockup 2020-05-10 09-37-05 PDT Jorge Toledo Not sure what font it is... 2020-05-10 09-42-53 PDT Jorge Toledo They are quite similar to the current symbolic icons, right? 2020-05-10 09-29-59 PDT Jorge Toledo Seems to be a music album 2020-05-10 09-36-07 PDT anonym_i_ous in the mockup that is 2020-05-10 11-11-48 PDT anonym_i_ous [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/eldelacajita?msg=CJvLpm6bjA8PoFZBf) yup () 2020-05-10 09-33-16 PDT anonym_i_ous found it, thanks a lot (: 2020-05-10 09-33-24 PDT anonym_i_ous https://accelworld.fandom.com/wiki/Chase_the_World 2020-05-10 09-35-18 PDT anonym_i_ous the font used looks nice too 2020-05-10 09-27-34 PDT anonym_i_ous hi 2020-05-10 09-28-12 PDT anonym_i_ous where can i see the art/anime used in this pic? 2020-05-10 09-27-47 PDT anonym_i_ous [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/team_ux?msg=b3XDFqPXTw87mtDs4) () 2020-05-10 09-37-30 PDT anonym_i_ous oops, sorry, i wanted to say icons 2020-05-10 09-38-04 PDT anonym_i_ous :sweat_smile:

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2020-01-17 07-25-40 PST anonym_i_ous hey there 2020-01-17 07-26-26 PST anonym_i_ous I would like to talk to u about some things like this in general.... although nothing particular is coming to my mind rn 2020-01-17 07-25-42 PST anonym_i_ous https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/team_ux?msg=Zs7M4PXK4koRqruA8 ()

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2020-03-23 07-27-37 PDT Aadhish Sriram Hey 2020-03-23 07-39-45 PDT Aadhish Sriram Don't start the holy war here 2020-03-23 07-27-44 PDT Aadhish Sriram It's okay 2020-03-23 05-52-25 PDT Moazin (Just trying to socialize, if that's okay with you) :-) 2020-03-23 05-51-51 PDT Moazin Hey Aadish 2020-03-23 07-34-15 PDT Moazin I saw your proposal. In the editors section you say: "Vim, Emacs". That sounds like I am a Pakistani and Indian at the same time. :D 2020-03-23 07-40-12 PDT Moazin Lol.

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2020-10-06 12-07-24 PDT James I noticed you are a global monitor and I am at a complete loss. This is far from intuitive to me. 2020-10-06 12-07-00 PDT James I created an svg file, not realizing that it would not automatically create vectors. To further my problem...I used clip art, a personal file and lines and dots I drew myself. I would like to convert it to vectors, but I am unable to figure out how to use trace bitmap in the path folder to do all the vectors or at one time. Is this possible? 2020-10-06 15-09-44 PDT Moini Hi, please go through public support channels to get user support. Thanks!

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2020-03-04 03-26-45 PST Aadhish Sriram https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/team_devel?msg=Mu5BcEsNbj9BPKtH6 () 2020-03-05 16-25-26 PST Aadhish Sriram https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/team_ux?msg=DZvuY8gELcuY7AwcN ()

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2020-10-13 12-40-27 PDT Mc git grep is magic 2020-10-13 12-53-23 PDT Mc (my thought process when I posted the issue was "heh, that does not really work, let's fix it" -> "that code makes no sense. Wait, no, these options make no sense. Mmmmh... what could make sense here ? Oh, we have ux folks. Let's ask them") 2020-10-13 12-50-21 PDT Mc but even then, I'm like "Hello I'm one of the most active inkscape dev around, I've been using inkscape for 10 years and I do say that this tiny thing miiight need a rethinking" nd the answer is like "nope. works fine" when 30 seconds of testing (just 1/ change to another palette than the default 2/ try anything) show there is something horribly wrong :p 2020-10-13 12-38-38 PDT Mc general advice : 1/ try to look for a word that's not common, and present in the surroundings of what you're looking for -> here I will use "Wrap" 2/ have a general guess at where it is -> it's in the user interface, so we'll look in src/ui/ 3/ git grep '"Wrap"' -> ``` ~/inkscape/src/ui$ git grep '"Wrap"' dialog/swatches.cpp: //TRANSLATORS: "Wrap" indicates how colour swatches are displayed dialog/swatches.cpp: Glib::ustring wrap_label(C_("Swatches","Wrap")); ``` 4/ -> here you go! In that file you'll find that the options are linked to some "_holder->setStyle(...)" calls, so you have to fgind what _holder is. 5/ in swatches.h (the corresponding header file) you'll find it's a PreviewHolder 6/ (but we don't really care ! wer could just git grep ::setStyle -> ``` ~/inkscape/src/ui$ git grep ::setStyle previewholder.cpp:PreviewHolder::setStyle(UI::Widget::PreviewSize size, widget/style-swatch.cpp:void StyleSwatch::setStyle(SPCSSAttr *css) widget/style-swatch.cpp:void StyleSwatch::setStyle(SPStyle *query) ``` 7/ code is in that file :) 2020-10-13 12-45-04 PDT Mc As a side note, I still find that what those two dropdowns do is very unintuitive in general, which is the reason I posted in the ux tracker... I wnated to prompt reflexions about "does anyone put a border ? so do we need that option ?" "If options do nothing, why do we display them ?" "can anyone use the swatches when they are 2 pixels wide ?" "why do the « width » change, change the height ?" and the fact that the answer was mostly "oh everything is fine, here is an ugly squared UI with sliders that adresses none of your points" made me quite sad 2020-10-13 12-56-09 PDT Mc :) 2020-10-13 12-49-38 PDT anonym_i_ous (ref: ux#51) 2020-10-13 12-55-17 PDT anonym_i_ous (continued) but then again, as i have some doubts if people actually change the chip/tile size, i doubt that not closing this would become unwanted (for example after changing the pallete to smth else). 2020-10-13 12-52-35 PDT anonym_i_ous maybe 2020-10-13 11-23-54 PDT anonym_i_ous can u guide me where i can find the code location of the palette options?? 2020-10-13 12-52-18 PDT anonym_i_ous also, one more thing can be improved in ux. that changing the options shouldnt make the menu to disappear. 2020-10-13 12-39-18 PDT anonym_i_ous niice. thanks a lot 2020-10-13 12-51-12 PDT anonym_i_ous haha, yeah, right 2020-10-13 12-48-39 PDT anonym_i_ous not blaming or anyth, but he is a ux/ui person. and so... amh, when we work too much with something, it starts to penetrate in other things as well right!!? i think thats what happened there with him. 2020-10-13 11-23-12 PDT anonym_i_ous hello there 2020-10-13 12-40-10 PDT anonym_i_ous i thought there was some magic way :sweat_smile: 2020-10-13 12-48-21 PDT anonym_i_ous hahahaha. lol yeah i can agreee to that. 2020-10-13 12-40-41 PDT anonym_i_ous (cntd...) like click the action/button and the called command will show up - say in command prompt somehow 2020-10-13 12-56-05 PDT anonym_i_ous yeah, i agree that it would need much thought.

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2020-05-26 01-21-18 PDT Mc Hi! your email provider rejected my answer to your email, so here it is : Hi Brynn, Could you forward me an email you received, with all the headers, to narrow this down ? (other possibility is that recently we had activity on the sourceforge ml) Thanks -- Mc On 26/05/2020 03:44, brynn wrote: > Hi -- I've unsubscribed to all the mailing lists which I was previously > subscribed to. But I'm still getting mail. Is there anything else I > can do to stop the mail? > > Thanks, > brynn

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2020-10-04 09-07-50 PDT Mc ah sorry it's more for non-EU 2020-10-04 08-59-39 PDT Mc oh ? 2020-10-04 09-18-09 PDT Mc mostly "whatever I want" 2020-10-04 09-01-16 PDT Mc (if you want, of course) 2020-06-17 10-23-00 PDT Mc 20 and 21 are a weekend so they don't even count, for me ^^ 3 days is fine imo 2020-10-04 09-26-30 PDT Mc communist in the sens of "putting their work into making a «Common» of the result" 2020-06-17 10-17-17 PDT Mc Don't worry, planning is not the forte of french universities either :D 2020-06-17 10-23-40 PDT Mc (as I wrote, it's important to have other mentors agree too, especially Thomas) 2020-10-04 08-51-52 PDT Mc in France I think it would probably be doable, provided you would have ideas on what are the differences between inkscape and the state of the art, and maybe how to improve on the state of the art 2020-05-31 07-18-49 PDT Mc Hi! 2020-10-04 09-25-21 PDT Mc it's a bunch of communist-minded computer scientists trying to change the world at their level 2020-10-04 09-33-54 PDT Mc neat 2020-10-04 09-34-10 PDT Mc in which area ? 2020-10-04 09-31-15 PDT Mc :/ 2020-05-31 08-39-48 PDT Mc ah, sorry to hear that 2020-10-04 08-54-55 PDT Mc (or a book about geometry, maybe) 2020-10-04 09-01-30 PDT Mc (if you're more interested into robotics than in geometry, I can understand that :D ) 2020-10-04 09-14-18 PDT Mc (from https://www.topuniversities.com/student-info/student-finance/how-much-does-… "Tuition fees for “non-consecutive” master’s degrees, for those who have gained their bachelor’s degree elsewhere in the world, vary between universities and may be around €20,000 (~US$24,400) per year at public institutions") 2020-10-04 09-09-57 PDT Mc that's a new law from last year that introduced this price difference (3770€/yr), the law was heavily criticized (basically as an anti-african law as many courses are in french and most non-EU people coming were from northern africa), the law was called by the minister "welcome to france", not even ironically 2020-05-31 07-19-33 PDT Mc As we approach the end of the community bonding period, I wanted to check with you how it went for you 2020-10-04 09-11-58 PDT Mc masters in germany is ~20k€ 2020-10-04 09-16-22 PDT Mc I did TCS (parallel algoirithms) 2020-10-04 09-23-41 PDT Mc so, lots of things :D 2020-10-04 08-50-43 PDT Mc I don't know how much is asked from a MS thesis (it depends a lot on the countries) 2020-10-04 09-12-54 PDT Mc yeah 2020-05-31 08-40-00 PDT Mc hope you'll get better 2020-06-17 10-09-22 PDT Mc (if you prefer to have everyone, you can write to all, whatever you are more comfortable with) 2020-10-04 08-56-07 PDT Mc ideally the people most apt to tell you what the state of the art is would be people doing research on geometric algorithms ^^ 2020-10-04 08-59-12 PDT Mc well, that makes sense :D 2020-10-04 09-41-04 PDT Mc not sure I'll have the time, but you can try to @ me 2020-10-11 11-53-49 PDT Mc ok :) 2020-10-04 08-56-57 PDT Mc maybe I can find some at my uni or at a friend's uni 2020-10-04 09-30-33 PDT Mc (btw, I saw that you attempted to join the dev meeting, did you have problems to join ?) 2020-05-09 14-19-04 PDT Mc Yes, that sounds good :) 2020-10-04 09-39-29 PDT Mc (oh, btw, was anything still needed to merge the documentation of your gsoc ?) 2020-10-04 09-29-47 PDT Mc what's even more amazing is how people sometimes manage work together to collaborate productively into doing so (not everyone doing their stuff by themselves) 2020-06-17 10-24-30 PDT Mc group chat is fine 2020-10-04 09-07-09 PDT Mc (for master) 2020-10-04 09-37-28 PDT Mc sounds like a great project anyway :) 2020-10-04 09-38-41 PDT Mc you never know :) 2020-10-04 09-20-38 PDT Mc I'm employed in a public uni as a research engineer, which means I spend some of my time doing sysadmin stuff (installing and maintaining sdervices and machines for researchers, maintain a visioconference server (the one we used for inkscape/gsoc) ), giving lectures (I did one about hadoop last year), but also have free time to work on e.g. Inkscape, and can work on research projects with a big data research team; and I got funded to make a MOOC on edX about "Contributing to free software" 2020-10-04 09-00-51 PDT Mc and you cannot switch ? or is that a completely different cursus ? 2020-08-08 05-55-30 PDT Mc he should 2020-10-04 09-07-25 PDT Mc https://www.campusfrance.org/en/tuition-fees-France 2020-10-04 09-15-58 PDT Mc It would not surprise me if it was free in some landers and paying in others 2020-10-04 09-14-58 PDT Mc I don't know much about the german system 2020-07-31 23-29-50 PDT Mc * the ability to very quickly speak to almost any other open source project, and to my friends, within one program that just requires a terminal open * not hidden in a browser tab (I have ~4000 open browsers tabs) which just work to speak to Inkscape only and can play noise or notifications * much, much faster to read on any IRC client than on rocket chat (I can read ~ 50 lines on one window of IRC vs 10 lines on a Rocketchat window + I can go back on my history with 0 loading time and no weird scroller) 2020-10-04 09-36-01 PDT Mc the Deepak Agrawal one ? 2020-08-08 05-53-23 PDT Mc yes, I called him yesterday 2020-06-17 10-17-52 PDT Mc IMO one week is fine, but this will need to be agreed with the other mentors 2020-06-17 10-18-23 PDT Mc (it's 10% of the whole gsoc, after all^^) 2020-10-04 08-54-07 PDT Mc arxiv ? 2020-06-17 10-08-58 PDT Mc you can discuss it with me if you want 2020-10-04 09-06-56 PDT Mc 243€ / year + some additional fees 2020-10-04 08-50-16 PDT Mc mmh 2020-10-04 09-00-22 PDT Moazin Pick* 2020-10-04 09-35-26 PDT Moazin I'll be helping them write the software for it. 2020-10-04 07-03-24 PDT Moazin Do you think there is a possibility for an MS Thesis on the topic? Building on the work and improving it? 2020-10-04 09-17-44 PDT Moazin Great! :-) And what's your area of work these days? 2020-10-04 09-31-01 PDT Moazin I had a really lame internet connection 2020-10-04 09-02-13 PDT Moazin Specially those that run embedded Linux 2020-07-31 07-39-11 PDT Moazin Mc I had a question. It's not really important, just curious. 😃 What are the advantages to using IRC over RocketChat? I mean what makes you prefer it 2020-10-04 09-12-35 PDT Moazin Are you talking just about the tuition fee? 2020-10-04 09-00-19 PDT Moazin Yep. I graduated in Electrical Engineering. At that time I thought it was the best choice for me as I was confused about which area to oick. 2020-10-04 09-37-18 PDT Moazin It's a different one, not much info on the internet 2020-10-04 09-01-38 PDT Moazin Haha 2020-10-04 09-01-20 PDT Moazin With a few bridge courses, one should be able to switch 2020-10-04 09-35-08 PDT Moazin Some of my friends started with a design and got it to the prototyping phase. 2020-05-31 07-43-28 PDT Moazin Hi Marc. I sorry that due to some gastrointestinal health issues I have been very disturbed in the past few weeks and couldn't do all the things that I planned to do within this period. I did spend some time in chat helping out few people which I very much enjoyed. I got checked recently and am recovering well. Hoping to cover up for those things as well as get started on the project. 2020-10-04 09-01-50 PDT Moazin At the moment, I'm really interested in embedded systems 2020-10-04 09-30-06 PDT Moazin yep definitely 2020-05-09 13-58-37 PDT Moazin Hi Marc. I wanted to start discussing a few things regarding what I plan to do during the community bonding period and the direction of the project. I was thinking of discussing it over email with all the mentors in CC. Does that sound good? 2020-10-04 09-34-47 PDT Moazin So when the pandemic happened, the country's higher leadership decided to ask the research and engineering students to build a ventilator device. 2020-10-04 08-59-32 PDT Moazin One big problem is that I'm not a CS graduate 2020-10-04 07-03-39 PDT Moazin You're also working in a university so I thought you'd have a better idea on this 2020-10-04 09-35-51 PDT Moazin Both the UI and the controller that'd run it 2020-10-04 09-12-27 PDT Moazin I'll explore more and if I'm sure the CG area is a good option for me, I'll probably ask you to find me people from academia that know the area well, but before that, I'd do my research first :-) 2020-10-04 09-01-57 PDT Moazin Programming small chips 2020-10-04 09-00-50 PDT Moazin I had interests in programming, but also in embedded systems, communication devices and robotics 2020-10-04 09-15-54 PDT Moazin No problem :-) Btw, what was your area of interest when you did your MS? 2020-10-04 09-40-32 PDT Moazin I'm still reviewing it, fixing typos, there are just a few files remaining to check. I'll do that within the week. Once that's done I'd really like it if someone can go through it for a review? 2020-06-17 10-07-09 PDT Moazin Hi Marc 2020-10-04 09-14-10 PDT Moazin https://www2.daad.de/deutschland/studienangebote/international-programmes/e… 2020-10-04 09-38-00 PDT Moazin Yeah, I don't see high chances of it making into a final product, it's a RnD project and I just see it as great experience. :-) 2020-10-04 09-26-50 PDT Moazin yep, yep, got it :-) 2020-06-17 10-16-56 PDT Moazin You must be thinking what kind of a university does that, but that's the weird part of living in a country like Pakistan. They don't listen to us. 2020-06-17 10-08-08 PDT Moazin There is something I need to discuss about my GSoC project. So I was wondering if I should discuss it with you here or make a group chat with other mentors as well. (It's not a technical matter) 2020-06-17 10-14-27 PDT Moazin To update on the project, I am done with the Simplify code which was the goal for the first two weeks. In this week and the next 2 I am supposed to work on Path -> Digraph -> Path parts. 2020-10-04 09-17-49 PDT Moazin At your day job I mean 2020-10-04 09-21-57 PDT Moazin That's nice :-) 2020-06-17 10-22-05 PDT Moazin So, I was thinking of working as much as I can for the next 2-3 days with GSoC (and hopefully make good progress). And taking time off for university work from 20 to 25 June to work on the thesis. Does that sound fine to you? 2020-06-17 10-13-33 PDT Moazin So the thing is as you would probably know I am in the senior year of my university. (I was supposed to have graduated by June). Due to COVID, the university was closed and then they started some online education system too. The exams and my thesis were scheduled for later. However, suddenly they sent us an email telling that we have to submit our thesis on 24th June and deliver a presentation on 29 June. It's very hard to manage this with GSoC. I was wondering if it would be possible to do reduced work for the next few days, I'll of course make up for it. I totally understand if this is not possible, in that situation I'll have to ask the university to give me an extension in the project which will have its own downsides. 2020-10-04 09-36-41 PDT Moazin Nah :D 2020-06-17 10-24-02 PDT Moazin Of course, that's important. 2020-10-04 09-30-16 PDT Moazin and Inkscape is a place where a lot of collaboration goes on 2020-10-04 09-33-49 PDT Moazin Btw, I've got a temporary job for a few months 2020-10-04 09-31-11 PDT Moazin (third world problems) 2020-10-04 09-25-39 PDT Moazin That's a really sweet way to put it :-) 2020-08-08 05-56-19 PDT Moazin All right :-) 2020-10-04 09-33-04 PDT Moazin Sometimes during the GSoC meetings, I'd have to switch between the two during the meeting. :-D 2020-10-04 08-59-01 PDT Moazin So when listing out areas where I do have some experience, my project immediately came to my mind 2020-10-04 09-30-49 PDT Moazin Yep I did 2020-10-04 09-24-42 PDT Moazin (My dad doesn't have a CS background, but I've explained him what OSS is :P) 2020-10-04 09-32-42 PDT Moazin But often times both will betray me 2020-10-04 09-06-44 PDT Moazin Most institutes have very less/no fee 2020-10-11 11-32-18 PDT Moazin Hey Marc, you often encourage me to talk in the meetings and I really feel great about that. I'm totally comfortable in doing so, the reason is technical. You might have noticed me mention that my headset broke in the final GSoC meeting. I ordered new ones and they are stuck in transit for over a month. I'm living with 6 other people in one two connected rooms so very noisy and laptop's battery is crap now so can't take it outside. I am using borrowed terrible quality IEMs whose audio input just sucks (so a bad idea to join with audio). Might try joining from phone next time. BBB is great on phone. 2020-06-17 10-24-21 PDT Moazin Should we start a group chat? Or would you prefer discussing this with them by yourself? 2020-10-04 09-18-21 PDT Moazin wow! You've landed a dream job 2020-06-17 10-19-51 PDT Moazin Yes, of course. 2020-10-04 09-08-02 PDT Moazin Yea I am non-EU :P 2020-10-04 09-07-36 PDT Moazin Yea that's more or less the same as Germany I guess 2020-10-04 09-32-32 PDT Moazin Internet is very unstable where I live. I keep a 3G connection on phone as a backup and a DSL is the primary WiFi for home. 2020-10-04 09-28-27 PDT Moazin It's a huge effort, I'm amazed at how volunteer work can create and develop something as great as Inkscape. 2020-07-31 23-58-16 PDT Moazin Thanks for answering btw. Makes a lot of sense 2020-10-04 07-02-56 PDT Moazin Mc, there is something I wanted to discuss with you 2020-10-04 09-39-21 PDT Moazin Yea. 2020-10-04 09-41-13 PDT Moazin Yep sure 2020-07-31 23-57-36 PDT Moazin 4000 open tabs! Woah. How much RAM needed to support that? 2020-08-08 05-53-49 PDT Moazin I was worried 2020-10-04 09-10-34 PDT Moazin Oh I see 2020-10-04 09-06-24 PDT Moazin How's the situation of graduate studies in France btw? They're really cheap in Germany 2020-10-04 09-24-01 PDT Moazin It actually surprises me how developers in the Inkscape community take so much time out to work on it, specially when day jobs and when you're not getting paid for it. Whenever I discuss my project and Inkscape with my dad, he often brings up this question, how are they all working for free? What do they get in return? :D I do understand that it feels great to contribute to software that you like, for sure. But still, taking so much time out is a huge commitment 2020-10-04 09-41-04 PDT Moazin Thanks for all the info btw :-) 2020-08-08 05-54-28 PDT Moazin Will he be joining us today for the presentation? 2020-10-04 08-57-11 PDT Moazin That'd would be really great 2020-10-04 09-01-03 PDT Moazin I can switch I think. A lot of people do. 2020-10-04 07-03-02 PDT Moazin You know my livarot project well 2020-10-04 09-03-56 PDT Moazin In order to be able to do research in the area of CG, I'd need to get good background in it first 2020-10-04 08-53-35 PDT Moazin Where can I find the state of the art? Cgal? 2020-10-04 08-56-41 PDT Moazin Got it. Thanks :-) 2020-10-04 08-57-33 PDT Moazin I'm actually preparing for MS applications and I'm exploring potential research interests for myself 2020-08-08 01-48-20 PDT Moazin Have you heard from Link Mauve recently?

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2020-04-20 06-13-24 PDT Estelle Hello have a probleme to open inkscape I download it and also XQuart like you said on O.92 on mac version I have a macOS Mojave 10.14.2 it look like its open but there is nothing on the screene I did everthing said on the website for a Inkscape 0.92.2 on macOS

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2020-01-01 14-10-51 PST Erik Mull thank u 2020-01-01 14-10-47 PST Erik Mull yes I don’t have a problem I just don’t know if what I’m saying is correct at times. But I will do what I can 2020-01-01 14-08-43 PST Erik Mull Hi this is Erik. I have had issues with my account so I had to make another. 2020-01-01 14-09-13 PST Moini Copying the reply over from the other channel: I think this is a topic that others may benefit from, too. Would you be comfortable asking your question in a forum? Inkscape's official one is at https://inkscape.org/forums - it has a section for plotting / cutting, too. 2020-01-01 14-11-30 PST Moini If people don't understand, they will just ask. It requires a bit of patience, but that's normal. Good luck! 2020-01-01 14-09-37 PST Moini I'm not into cutting and plotting myself at all.

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2020-02-12 18-16-36 PST anonym_i_ous https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/team_devel?msg=KNZBcPcj4ZQ7RtoXf (i am just sending the message so that i dont forget it, but rn, *please just ignore* the message, i will come back to it after doing some more research, and then will ask u again) where can i study which licence to use, or which one maybe suited to me..... i have tried searching online, but the articles are mostly for user side, and not the creator side.... next method to understand will be to read the whole of license .... and i tried that too and it flies off my mind (or i shall get all the suitable licences, get a print of them, and then read, hopefully with grasp more)...... so, u wanna suggest anything like where to read about them, how to compare different licences, or which part of the licence is related to the creators rights and the right of forks/copying/derivation etc..... btw i am talking for software licences.... ()

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2020-07-16 13-33-28 PDT Orestas Hey, so I have a question. I was working on a project and all of a sudden an error occurred and Inkscape shut down, and I didn't have time to save it but it did say it was saved on the alert. The problem is i quickly turned it off and didn't see where it was saved and i need your help to tell me where it saved. I'd really appreciate your help.

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2020-03-02 04-39-16 PST Sergei Izmailov I'm not chrome user either. I picked it as most popular one. There should be no problem to do same for firefox. Now it's for everything it finds links to. 2020-03-02 02-32-50 PST Sergei Izmailov Sorry for direct messaging. Unfortunately my announce got little/no attention in devel chat. Probably it was not suitable channel. Here is the idea. The extension finds links to commits and adds direct link to corresponding AppImage artifact (if any). Fairly straightforward, but took me a while to figure out how to deal with it. I plan to do same for Mac and Windows bundles and finally publish the extension in store. It works now but it is still too raw to advertise to use it in a daily basis. It would be nice to get some feedback from potential users ahead of time. Can you help with it? 2020-03-02 15-12-27 PST Sergei Izmailov Yeah, there are options here. I'll consult with Martin and Patric when time comes 2019-05-29 13-23-29 PDT Sergei Izmailov Hi, here is email: sergei.a.izmailov(a)gmail.com and username: sizmailov 2019-05-29 13-40-24 PDT Sergei Izmailov The most difficult part in English is *correct* English. 2019-05-29 13-32-38 PDT Sergei Izmailov Ok, great) 2020-03-02 04-39-05 PST Sergei Izmailov AppImage links (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/F3rsGK8BJtAoz5NjY/AppImage%20links) 2019-05-29 13-28-38 PDT Sergei Izmailov Do you know ETA for 1.0 release? 2020-03-02 04-42-49 PST Sergei Izmailov It's matter of few API calls from web page. 2020-03-02 04-44-32 PST Sergei Izmailov I didn't experience 404 error so far. May be due to poor testing.. 2019-05-29 13-38-53 PDT Sergei Izmailov Nowadays all programming and science done in English. Basically we don't have a choice. 2019-05-29 13-34-07 PDT Sergei Izmailov I do 2020-03-02 04-50-08 PST Sergei Izmailov Can we host a page ourself? 2020-03-02 04-40-47 PST Sergei Izmailov The only Gitlab API problem I faced is the requirement for token with ultimate rights to read PUBLIC information. Now I'm using empty gitlab user token to do the trick. 2019-05-29 13-23-59 PDT Sergei Izmailov Ok, thanks! 2019-05-29 13-36-58 PDT Sergei Izmailov I'm native russian, so for me it's not difficult at all) 2020-03-02 04-53-15 PST Sergei Izmailov Ok. It's better to know the problem to solve first :) 2020-03-02 04-42-29 PST Sergei Izmailov If you want to provide links on web page there should be no obstacles either 2020-03-02 04-53-19 PST Sergei Izmailov Thanks for input 2020-03-02 04-48-35 PST Sergei Izmailov WRT missing artifact. Last commit didn't run applimage:linux job 2020-04-26 01-39-26 PDT Sergei Izmailov Thanks for personal invite but I don't feel of myself as a literate person or one who can write motivating letters (I had nasty experience before ;) Nevertheless I partially filled forms, hope it helps 2020-03-02 15-08-29 PST Sergei Izmailov Win & MacOS already serve most recent links, I'll take a look at it and propose a MR for AppImage. Hopefully I'll be able to do it next week 2020-03-02 13-17-21 PST Sergei Izmailov This kind of indirection requires something that can issue several API quires in a row 2020-03-02 13-16-18 PST Sergei Izmailov You are right, `https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/jobs/artifacts/master/download?job=appimage%3Alinux` leads to 404 At the same time `https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/jobs/456464633/artifacts/raw/Inkscape-2a7dc7f-x86_64.AppImage` works just fine. I don't know whether it's a gitlab bug or not. Of course latter is more cumbersome as it requires one to know job id and commit hash (as it's part of downloadable file) 2019-05-29 13-30-49 PDT Sergei Izmailov I see. I'm not really 100% confident in my english skill. May I ask someone to double check my wiki edits? 2020-03-02 04-45-24 PST Sergei Izmailov But the main purpose of browser extension is to help reviewers/testers 2019-05-29 13-35-30 PDT Sergei Izmailov :smiley: 2019-05-29 13-41-47 PDT Sergei Izmailov I don't use VPN at home. Things are not that bad as it could be. 2019-05-29 13-43-46 PDT Sergei Izmailov Have a good day. I enjoyed the conversation. ) 2020-03-02 02-26-41 PST Sergei Izmailov Hi, I'm unfamiliar with reporters workflow, but I think a chrome extension can ease it a bit. https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/team_devel?msg=M7M3ci4dzzyhYn8kP () 2020-03-02 04-48-19 PST Sergei Izmailov It's still 5 clicks instead of 1... 2020-03-02 04-45-50 PST Sergei Izmailov (I think their time is most valuable) 2019-05-29 13-27-53 PDT Sergei Izmailov Done. Many thanks! 2020-03-02 04-46-24 PST Sergei Izmailov Which repo is it? 2020-03-02 04-41-26 PST Moini And they don't understand how that could be an issue... 2020-03-02 04-50-16 PST Moini Another option would be to make a GitLab MR with your suggestion. 2019-05-29 13-42-23 PDT Moini That's good! It's also difficult for us, because of the script/language barrier, to know how things are. 2019-05-29 13-37-46 PDT Moini (I meant the English for you) 2019-05-29 13-29-31 PDT Moini So, nothing concrete. 2020-03-02 04-50-41 PST Moini We already have a server that can run small scripts and provide links. 2019-05-29 13-29-24 PDT Moini (last time Bryce said something about it) 2020-03-02 15-10-50 PST Moini Best ask Martin and Patrick about how to best make it so it can be available on the website. 2019-05-29 13-34-18 PDT Moini Dobroy vecher :) 2019-05-29 13-32-00 PDT Moini It's just important that the info is available, and you as the person who wrote it know best what the change is doing. 2020-03-02 04-53-53 PST Moini Thanks for your dedication, it's good that you're helping us here! 2020-03-02 04-47-02 PST Moini Testers know where to find artifacts, I think. 2020-03-02 04-43-22 PST Moini And if the build failed, to the latest one that succeeded. 2019-05-29 13-35-28 PDT Moini I can still read it, though. Just don't understand what I read :joy: 2019-05-29 13-28-23 PDT Moini Thank *you* for contributing to Inkscape, Sergei! 2020-03-02 15-10-03 PST Moini (sometimes, people need to click through several pages of the jobs page, that's quite a bit time-consuming) 2019-05-29 13-23-51 PDT Moini I'll set up a Wiki account for you... Wait a minute. 2020-03-02 04-32-55 PST Moini Interesting idea - I'm not using Chrome though. If you want to find testers, try the forum or the user mailing list. Which version do you think is the most important one to test? If this is mainly for most recent master / most recent 1.0.x, and not for bug triage (I think those people know where they are supposed to find downloadable files, esp. on Linux, and bug fixers will link to the correct packages directly when they ask someone to test their new feature/fix), I know of another place where this would be more important. This is the official download page on the website. We do have direct links to the latest macOS and Windows builds - however, there is a GitLab bug blocking us from being able to provide a reliable link for Linux AppImages. It's probably possible to automate the instructions that we currently have on the website for that case. 2020-03-02 15-12-48 PST Moini Thanks, that would be cool! 2019-05-29 14-09-38 PDT Moini Early september: release ! 2020-03-02 04-47-20 PST Moini Either someone links to it for them, or they already know their way around. 2020-03-02 04-45-46 PST Moini Currently, the link is missing entirely... https://imgur.com/CdU61P0.png 2019-05-29 13-41-02 PDT Moini As long as it's understandable, you don't need to worry about Inkscapers. 2019-05-29 13-37-57 PDT Moini (but I guess you got that) 2019-05-29 13-33-59 PDT Moini You speak Russian? 2019-05-29 13-31-04 PDT Moini Yes, of course. 2020-04-25 14-58-52 PDT Moini Hi Sergei! I think you've contributed quite a lot of smart things to the 1.0 release (at least I rarely understood anything ;-) ). If you're up for it, we are currently doing this contributor interview at https://framaforms.org/inkscape-contributor-interview-1587833730 - I think it would be interesting to hear from you, too! 2020-03-02 04-46-06 PST Moini Oops. 2019-05-29 13-41-25 PDT Moini Except China. 2019-05-29 13-32-15 PDT Moini So, don't worry about that. 2020-03-02 04-48-53 PST Moini It should still be in the 'previous' list... 2019-05-29 13-34-41 PDT Moini (I don't remember much from my Russian course, it's long ago ) 2019-05-29 13-39-40 PDT Moini Probably an additional barrier. 2020-03-02 04-46-36 PST Moini https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/tree/master/ 2020-03-02 15-11-36 PST Moini I don't know which way to put this online would be preferred. 2020-03-02 04-47-42 PST Moini It's the casual beta testers who cannot find things. 2020-03-02 04-49-34 PST Moini Or at least there should be an easy way to provide it directly from the website, where people come to download things. 2020-03-02 15-09-12 PST Moini It's not urgent, this issue exists for quite some time. But it would really be nice to have a solution for it :D 2019-05-29 14-09-15 PDT Moini Just got to reading my emails. Marc provided an updated roadmap for the release there: - As soon as possible: 1.0~alpha2 - Between mid-june and end of june (when toolbar and immediately noticeable bugs are fixed): 1.0~beta - End of June: Feature freeze and 1.0 branch - End of July: String freeze - Between mid-june and mid-august: bug hunt! 2019-05-29 13-42-54 PDT Moini Anyway, have a great evening, Sergei! 2019-05-29 14-09-53 PDT Moini (on the developer's mailing list) 2020-03-02 15-03-57 PST Moini The bug report is here: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-foss/issues/45697 (and it was closed by Gitlab) 2019-05-29 13-26-00 PDT Moini Your Wiki password is now ui5ahK0Eih . Please change it as soon as possible! Wiki usernames always start with a capital letter, so use Sizmailov when trying to log in :) 2019-05-29 13-23-41 PDT Moini Thanks! 2020-03-02 04-41-12 PST Moini It often gives a 404 for the latest build artifacts. 2019-05-29 13-29-01 PDT Moini 'Sometime this summer or fall' 2019-05-29 13-39-59 PDT Moini Aside from needing VPN for some things, I guess. 2020-04-26 09-52-45 PDT Moini Yes! Thank you, Sergei! Not everyone needs to create a work of word art. If there are only people who can write great texts, who would do the good and solid programming? 2020-03-02 15-01-20 PST Moini Yes, it basically needs to do the set of instructions here: https://inkscape.org/release/inkscape-master/gnulinux/appimage/dl/ - only automagically. And with a max depth, so it won't take forever ;-) 2019-05-29 13-41-34 PDT Moini And Africa. 2020-03-02 04-51-19 PST Moini Or it could be an official part of the website code, of course. 2019-05-29 13-31-27 PDT Moini (I'll be editing there a lot anyway, and we might get the help of a documentation writer with it, too) 2020-03-02 04-48-11 PST Moini They'd only be confused. 2020-03-02 04-47-53 PST Moini But they don't need all those various commits. 2019-05-29 13-37-22 PDT Moini :) 2020-03-02 04-52-44 PST Moini Need to go now - if you want to go further with this, you can talk with Martin / doctormo about implementation details. 2020-03-02 04-46-03 PST Moini Oh, I guess that was the wrong repo... 2020-03-02 15-11-21 PST Moini js, python, ... fixed link on alpha, or part of inkscape-web etc. 2019-05-29 13-39-21 PDT Moini Yes, that's true. 2020-03-02 04-51-04 PST Moini It's where inkchatbot lives, for example. 2019-05-29 13-41-16 PDT Moini They are used to people coming from everywhere. 2020-03-02 04-42-59 PST Moini It only needs one to latest master AppImage and latest 1.0.x AppImage... 2019-05-29 13-36-03 PDT Moini So I can imagine how difficult it must be. 2020-03-02 04-46-23 PST Moini No, correct...

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29 Apr '21

2020-03-05 05-03-54 PST Dana hello I'm new to inkscape, I've been watching YouTube videos trying to master the offset/shadow tool. I noticed that some Fonts people are using are not available. How do I import more Font options?

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29 Apr '21

2020-09-26 09-54-00 PDT Significantcell Good night 2020-09-15 06-14-53 PDT Significantcell I use 2020-09-15 06-14-51 PDT Significantcell Ah, Ok 2020-09-15 06-11-06 PDT Significantcell I am not a native english speaker but I use grammarly to correct my typos when I write 2020-09-03 14-04-18 PDT Significantcell I hope you are doing very well 2020-09-15 06-10-23 PDT Significantcell I wanted just to help you 2020-09-26 09-53-08 PDT Significantcell Hello mate 2020-09-15 06-11-26 PDT Significantcell I greatly appreciate your contributions to inkscape 2020-09-26 09-53-15 PDT Significantcell You are doing a good job 2020-09-15 06-16-02 PDT Significantcell https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/microsoft-editor/gpaiobkfhnonedkh… 2020-09-15 06-10-16 PDT Significantcell Oh thanks! 2020-09-03 07-31-07 PDT Significantcell Hello Adam 2020-09-15 06-09-14 PDT Significantcell Sorry for disturbing you ;) 2020-09-15 06-12-53 PDT Significantcell Are you are aware about it? 2020-09-15 06-11-44 PDT Significantcell So I thought it is nice to suggest grammarly for you 2020-09-26 09-53-20 PDT Significantcell :) 2020-09-15 06-16-01 PDT Significantcell but unfortunately it works only chromium based browsers like google chrome, brave, etc 2020-09-15 06-15-06 PDT Significantcell Microsoft editor too, it works on rocket chat 2020-09-15 06-14-04 PDT Adam Belis it does nto work in rockat chat 2020-09-15 06-13-54 PDT Adam Belis :D thanks for suggestion . you will be surprised but i use grammarly :D (i know it does not look like it ) 2020-09-15 06-14-24 PDT Adam Belis i am just too lazy i guess :D 2020-09-26 09-53-40 PDT Adam Belis hi .. lol thanks 2020-09-03 13-08-51 PDT Adam Belis hi 2020-09-26 09-57-16 PDT Adam Belis night 2020-09-15 06-10-34 PDT Adam Belis how ? 2020-09-15 06-09-47 PDT Adam Belis hi can i help you somhow ?

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2020-08-05 11-43-44 PDT chris Hi there regarding the txt downwards still having issues and trying to work out how to chat so this would be easier thank you

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29 Apr '21

2020-03-04 13-56-25 PST Sergei Izmailov Let's try. I've tested on 19.04 - works fine 2020-03-07 16-47-39 PST Sergei Izmailov I think we can test gtest installation via minimal cmake project and provide instructions to fix that. A minimal cmake project would contain single `CMakeLists.txt` file: ```cmake cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 3.0) project(temp) find_package(GTest REQUIRED MODULE) ``` 2020-03-07 06-44-00 PST Sergei Izmailov Hi, did you have a chance to look at docker MR? 2020-03-30 15-31-36 PDT Sergei Izmailov In fact it's about same size, see screenshot above 2020-03-04 13-33-48 PST Sergei Izmailov Or you think moving gtest to minimal is better? 2020-03-26 09-30-29 PDT Sergei Izmailov ok, I'll rebase in a minute 2020-03-27 07-31-33 PDT Sergei Izmailov Do you know is `lib/libinkscape_base.dll.a` shared or static? The line ``` [984/1057] Linking CXX shared library bin\libinkscape_base.dll ``` suggests it's shared, but name and location are different. Unfortunately I'm not in a position to test on windows at the moment. I don't see how `2geom` got included in `libinkscape_base`. I'll try to investigate this topic in more detail later (maybe in a week or so). I could experiment with AppVeyor, but it's too long and makes others wait a lot. Currently it doesn't compile even without extra OBJECT/STATIC/SHARED test library. Please share your ideas if you have some 2020-03-19 15-00-14 PDT Sergei Izmailov It depends in which mode you build 2geom. 2020-03-07 16-50-47 PST Sergei Izmailov I don't like false-positive warnings. We can limit it to ubuntu 18.04 only 2020-03-19 14-58-05 PDT Sergei Izmailov No problem, take your time. Just checking. 2020-03-04 07-32-57 PST Sergei Izmailov Hi! Can you give a comment on https://gitlab.com/inkscape/lib2geom/-/merge_requests/19 ? (if you prefer we can discuss it here or there) 2020-03-04 08-22-54 PST Sergei Izmailov I appreciate that this change is not urgent and can be delayed to post 1.0 (I remember you said that, probably it was in chat, can't find it in MRs). I think you are reasonable person and your suggestions has ho have something behind, but I don't see it clearly so far. I didn't ignore you questions (at least intentionally). Please point out/copy-paste. I didn't argue against any extra changes just because I'm lazy to address your comments. I want to find best solution of possible. You can read that I'm not 100% with my arguments and my comment leaves question open to discuss. Please don't silence conversations as it's not a productive way to solve problems (as well as over-communication). If you think that I'm wrong/lazy/not in right time, please tell so. Again, if it's just lack of time, lets hold it until 1.0 release. It's totally fine by me. 2020-03-15 04-40-18 PDT Sergei Izmailov Sorry, I misread that. 2020-03-19 15-00-34 PDT Sergei Izmailov (i guess) 2020-03-19 14-20-26 PDT Sergei Izmailov Sorry for bothering you again. Is there is any problems with https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/merge_requests/1410 except lack of dev time? 2020-05-07 13-54-24 PDT Sergei Izmailov I see. (To be honest I feel uneasy with windows as developer, especially when it comes as low level as like linking. I think I can utilize my time better fixing other stuff.) 2020-03-04 13-30-21 PST Sergei Izmailov Should I ask Martin to do it? 2020-05-07 13-15-55 PDT Sergei Izmailov I'm a unix person, so I don't know much about Windows stuff. All I found I wrote here. 2020-03-04 14-00-17 PST Sergei Izmailov (`googletest` soruces is dependency and will be installed automatically ) 2020-03-30 15-29-08 PDT Sergei Izmailov libinkscape_base.dll.a (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/JHxjTscxfaTZuRcZ3/libinkscape_base.dl…) 2020-03-04 13-44-24 PST Sergei Izmailov I don't understand. All seems to be installed, but it's not found by cmake for some reason https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-ci-docker/-/jobs/455010902 2020-03-15 06-31-15 PDT Sergei Izmailov It's all case-specific. Some libraries act similar in both mods, some don't (like gtest). Explicit specification of MODULE/CONFIG prohibits use of another one. I think generally CONFIG is more preferable since it's mostly auto-generated and less error prone, but it requires some efforts from library authors so it's not widespread. At the moment I agree, let's keep it as is. 2020-03-07 16-49-06 PST Sergei Izmailov Should I add it to MR? 2020-03-19 15-55-24 PDT Sergei Izmailov ``` set(2GEOM_BUILD_SHARED ON CACHE BOOL "Build 2geom as SHARED library") add_subdirectory(2geom) ``` is enough to build and link against shared version of lib2geom. I've build with `-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=~/.local/` so shared library is not found with default settings, therefore `~/.local/bin/inkscape` can't be launched without `LD_LIBRARY_PATH` or `LD_PRELOAD`. 2020-03-26 09-54-16 PDT Sergei Izmailov Does windows CI run only on master branch, but not on MRs? 2020-03-19 15-01-44 PDT Sergei Izmailov I can try to build inkscape against shared lib2geom 2020-03-30 15-31-14 PDT Sergei Izmailov I'm not really familiar with "import libraries", but from what I read it should be quite small compared to shared library 2020-03-04 13-22-13 PST Sergei Izmailov I'm new to gitlab CI 2020-03-07 16-48-51 PST Sergei Izmailov Such test would add ~30 lines to `.sh` script 2020-03-15 04-22-15 PDT Sergei Izmailov Hi! I've noticed you simplified GTest handling in main repo. The `find_package` call must include `MODULE` keyword since "config" mode takes precedence over "module" mode and we are using "module" features. It will fail on systems with properly installed GTest. 2020-03-04 15-07-21 PST Sergei Izmailov There is no binaries 2020-03-04 13-31-49 PST Sergei Izmailov right? 2020-03-26 11-11-48 PDT Sergei Izmailov ... and it fails [link](https://ci.appveyor.com/project/inkscape/inkscape/builds/31745274/job…. I don't quite get it. `lib/libinkscape_base.dll.a` has defined symbols from `lib/lib2geom.a`... 2020-03-26 13-22-09 PDT Sergei Izmailov I've dropped my previous commits to `testfiles/CMakeLists.txt` and added extra `target_link_libraries` for OBJECT library you created. It worked locally, let's see how would CI go 2020-03-04 13-17-37 PST Sergei Izmailov Seems like CI doesn't have google tests. Can you help with it ? 2020-03-04 13-59-12 PST Sergei Izmailov I don't think lib2geom uses mock. I have no guesses here 2020-03-19 15-03-38 PDT Sergei Izmailov Currently I think it's ready, it's matter of one line change. I'm going to check it right now. 2020-03-04 14-07-52 PST Sergei Izmailov Thanks for testing! 2020-03-07 16-53-53 PST Sergei Izmailov I think warning should be issued at the very end of script. Otherwise it's easy to overlook it in ton of messages 2020-03-19 16-04-16 PDT Sergei Izmailov Currently MR builds STATIC library (default setting in lib2geom). 2020-03-07 16-58-43 PST Sergei Izmailov I thought about it. It's better since it's never false-positive, but I don't like the idea of fixing it in CMakeLists... 2020-03-26 07-47-44 PDT Sergei Izmailov Hi, I think you still plan to give a review to MR, right? (Thomas seems to approved it) 2020-03-30 15-32-24 PDT Sergei Izmailov nm (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/ty2TRYMN2pNSnCtCg/nm) 2020-03-07 16-50-59 PST Sergei Izmailov But managing all versions seems to be tedious 2020-03-30 15-34-21 PDT Sergei Izmailov `lib2geom.a` and `lininkscape_base.dll.a` provide same global symbol 2020-03-04 13-30-05 PST Sergei Izmailov How can i update the image? 2020-03-26 13-25-55 PDT Sergei Izmailov Damn, older cmake rejects it. Sounds like a task for tomorrow. 2020-03-04 13-21-36 PST Sergei Izmailov It's already there, but needs special flag.. I'm not sure how to proceed with it 2020-03-04 12-59-15 PST Sergei Izmailov I'm sorry. Sometimes it's hard to explain myself properly. (In process of re-explaining I think I solved the googletest issue) 1. You are right, the difference between 2.8 and 3.0 styles is irrelevant here. BTW here is a good talk about modern cmake style and why we should avoid "2.8-style" https://youtu.be/bsXLMQ6WgIk. 2. The problem with `googletest`/`libgtest-dev`/`libmock-dev` packages on Ubuntu: None of them installs following files (compare to RPM: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/fedora/devel/rawhide/aarch64/g/gtest-devel-1.8…) ``` /usr/lib64/cmake/GTest/GTestConfig.cmake /usr/lib64/cmake/GTest/GTestConfigVersion.cmake /usr/lib64/cmake/GTest/GTestTargets-noconfig.cmake /usr/lib64/cmake/GTest/GTestTargets.cmake ``` (pkg-config files are also missing but we are not interested in them now) They contain information about build targets and their flags. Without them we need to repeat this information ourself. Fortunately cmake-shipped [FindGTest](https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/module/FindGTest.html) exists and does it for us. `find_package(GTest)` can find headers and libraries and resurrect all required flags (https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/module/FindGTest.html) and even define `IMPROTED` targets `GTest::GTest` and `GTest::Main`. The only issue it has it names googletest targets differently from googletest itself. But it's not a big deal, we can ignore generated cmake files (`GTestConfig.cmake`) on system where googletest installed properly. I guess some of `googletest`/`libgtest-dev`/`libmock-dev` are available on CI, right? 2020-03-04 14-07-31 PST Sergei Izmailov I would prefer to stick to simpler solution. I think I'll do tests on 18.04 on my own to see what exactly goes wrong with bare `find_package` 2020-03-04 15-45-24 PST Sergei Izmailov I've submitted a MR with extra build step for gtest 2020-05-07 07-08-52 PDT Sergei Izmailov Hi, congrats on 1.0 release! Can you find time to look at https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/merge_requests/1410 problem ? 2020-03-04 13-33-13 PST Sergei Izmailov I though about passing `--recommended` flag 2020-03-26 12-46-04 PDT Sergei Izmailov I've tried static/shared and ended up with no library at all. I guess your intention was to avoid recompiling of those two files... Let's see if it would work. Probably you initial approach would also work (i.e. with OBJECT library) with repeated `target_link_libraries` for OBJECT library and tests which uses it. 2020-03-04 15-07-48 PST Sergei Izmailov And it's the complaint from cmake at CI 2020-03-19 15-57-46 PDT Sergei Izmailov (I've added tests to lib2geom to build a super-project against it as installed and subdirectory library) 2020-03-07 16-51-50 PST Sergei Izmailov Currently I don't have any warnings. You suggest to add warning only to non-CI ubuntu 18.04 ? 2020-03-19 15-02-07 PDT Sergei Izmailov is it desired? 2020-05-15 08-02-22 PDT Sergei Izmailov Hi, do you know how windows build was fixed? Just curious. Don't see obvious changes to cmake files 2020-03-04 13-31-47 PST Sergei Izmailov Oh, I see the https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-ci-docker/-/blob/master/Dockerfile 2020-03-26 09-56-02 PDT Sergei Izmailov Nevermind, I see AppVeyor started the job, but it doesn't appear as build stage on gitlab. 2020-03-07 17-00-13 PST Sergei Izmailov I'll add warning to `.sh` script. Let's think about cmake warning a bit more and decide later 2020-03-19 15-56-27 PDT Sergei Izmailov I think it confirms that lib2geom can be packaged separately 2020-03-04 14-47-26 PST Sergei Izmailov Looks like `libgtest-dev` in 18.04 is really poor. Compare 18.04 and 19.04: https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/amd64/libgtest-dev/filelist https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/libgtest-dev/filelist We are not alone with this problem: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24295876/cmake-cannot-find-googletest-r… I think I'll add instructions to build and install googletest to docker image 2020-03-04 13-59-57 PST Sergei Izmailov I think `libgtest-dev` is enough 2020-03-04 13-58-20 PST Patrick (but should still have everything needed to build) 2020-05-07 12-44-26 PDT Patrick I will, but I can't promise you when. Did you make progress on the linking issue on Windows or do we still need to solve that? 2020-03-15 05-07-58 PDT Patrick It might even be a good idea to explicitly specify module mode everywhere, but I don't think we do that anywhere yet, so it seemed safer to just keep it as-is (especially as it should not matter if the module is properly found in module mode as expected) 2020-03-19 14-59-47 PDT Patrick Maybe one question ahead of time: Do we link lib2geom dynamically in your MR? Because that certainly would be a goal going forward. 2020-03-19 14-57-26 PDT Patrick Well, I can't tell you if there are any problems before I have reviewed it (which I plan to do, eventually, but yeah I'm backlogged). 2020-03-19 15-02-09 PDT Patrick If it's reasonable... We can obviously take this in steps as well. 2020-03-04 13-32-27 PST Patrick (which is called by the Dockerfile) 2020-03-04 07-53-52 PST Patrick You seem to be ignoring my comments (everything I said so far you've not replied to at all or argued against, giving me the impression that you're not really willing to actually change anything) so I'm not overly motivated to spend any more time on that. (In fact the very first thing you ignored was my suggestion to move this to post-1.0 when people will have more time to review properly and it will be less intrusive to make larger changes to the build system). 2020-03-19 15-03-35 PDT Patrick But if we can isolate the subproject enough, it might come "for free". 2020-03-07 17-01-39 PST Patrick OK... I just would not like to add a lot of stuff to `.sh` script for a workaround for one specific version of one specific OS either, so let's keep it minimal (especially considering it might not be seen by all people) 2020-03-07 16-52-56 PST Patrick Yes, if `CI` is set, build and install cmake, otherwise print a warning that recommends to do it. 2020-03-04 13-59-33 PST Patrick So we only need gtest? 2020-03-19 15-01-13 PDT Patrick I meant with your MR against Inkscape. 2020-03-04 13-34-16 PST Patrick CI has everything 2020-03-07 16-51-02 PST Patrick Yes, I think that's exactly what you were doing in your MR? 2020-03-15 04-38-37 PDT Patrick If the MODULE option is not specfied in the above signature, CMake first searches for the package using Module mode. Then, if the package is not found, it searches again using Config mode. 2020-03-26 12-23-14 PDT Patrick Maybe all you need to do is make cpp_test_static_library actually static? 2020-03-26 12-15-52 PDT Patrick Yep, only for tests, though. Do you link the test library differently from other internal libs? 2020-03-04 14-12-51 PST Patrick Great! Once we figure it out, we can try to simplify the logic in inkscape/inkscape as well 2020-03-26 10-18-06 PDT Patrick Yeah, GitLab is stupid that way... 2020-03-27 09-03-49 PDT Patrick .dll.a indicates a so-called "import library". I think with gcc we can link directly against the .dll though. (so this is probably where the problem comes from: linking directly against libinkscape_base.dll once and indirectly linking against it a second time via the .dll.a) 2020-03-07 16-50-05 PST Patrick nah, that seems like overkill... I'd suggest to simply print a warning if `CI` is unset (same conditions otherwise). 2020-03-04 15-28-38 PST Patrick OK, yeah, I guess we might only use headers for Inkscape. 2020-03-04 14-05-20 PST Patrick Ok, so `find_package` fails locally as well. However the logic in https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt#L177-197 and https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/blob/master/testfiles/CMakeLists.txt… still makes it work (I'm pretty sure we don't even need all of it) 2020-03-07 17-01-56 PST Patrick Not even all people might use the shell script after all... 2020-03-26 12-19-02 PDT Patrick (you might want to check if static build still works btw, too. It caused problems in the past) 2020-03-19 15-03-14 PDT Patrick (although it's probably not too helpful right now) 2020-03-15 05-05-11 PDT Patrick np, thanks for checking the code! 2020-03-26 12-17-41 PDT Patrick Ah, I think tests are linked statically against libinkscape-base with your changes? 2020-03-04 10-05-53 PST Patrick Lack of time is a factor: If I had time to spare I would try to make the changes I suggested in your branch myself to see if they're viable. However as I'm currently spending my time on release-relevant things, I can only make the suggestion and have to depend on you to try to implement them. I'm not silencing anything, but if the feedback from you is "I don't see the need for a change" there's nothing I can work with (my original suggestion still stands, but I can not force you to try and implement it, and I currently won't spend time in it myself.) 2020-05-15 09-01-11 PDT Patrick It's not fixed yet but uses a shared library of 2geom as workaround 2020-03-26 12-23-37 PDT Patrick (or idd that fail as well) 2020-03-04 13-55-12 PST Patrick I could check locally if that helps (I have a Ubuntu VM 18.04 set-up). 2020-03-19 15-00-56 PDT Patrick (it's insanity that we link everything into one huge library right now - it's even causing problems, e.g. we can't currently do debug builds on Windows as there are too many symbols in the library) 2020-03-19 15-02-53 PDT Patrick At some point the hope was to get lib2geom packaged separately from Inkscape. 2020-03-26 09-04-59 PDT Patrick I looked at it and from reading the diff it should be fine. The primary thing I wanted to check was whether Windows CI passes (as I did not have the time to build locally yet). Unfortunately Windows CI was broken a while due to a row of broken updates in glibmm and mingw-w64 itself. Luckily that's all sorted out now. 2020-03-15 04-38-24 PDT Patrick No, Module mode is the default: 2020-03-07 16-55-09 PST Patrick That's true... if we want to ensure people see it we should probably add the waring to 2geom's CMakeLists.txt (and show it once `find_package(GTest REQUIRED MODULE)` fails) 2020-03-04 10-14-18 PST Patrick Wrt to the last sugestion: I'm not sure what your comment with "old style cmake 2.8" is referring to (I did suggest no such thing). What I suggested was to investigate _why_ the Ubuntu googletest/gmock packages are not found by the CMake module (I think you already have a rough idea) and attempt to fix the detection of the package rather than to download and build it manually. 2020-03-04 13-29-39 PST Patrick Well, let me know if/how I can help. We might be missing "libgmock-dev" (not available on Ubuntu 18.04 as it seems) 2020-03-26 09-05-58 PDT Patrick Feel free to rebase your MR to trigger a new CI build, otherwise I can do so later. 2020-03-26 12-20-15 PDT Patrick Oh, and I don't like https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/commit/e31698fb - I've removed that for a reason ;-) 2020-03-04 13-31-03 PST Patrick Create an MR with your changes as usual. 2020-03-07 15-58-28 PST Patrick I'll have a look tomorrow. Can we give general advice for affected users? (Possibly we could even print a warning explaining what to do?) 2020-05-07 13-41-15 PDT Patrick Well, I'm a Windows person, but that usually doesn't rule out that I try to fix Unix stuff ;-) 2020-03-04 13-20-56 PST Patrick We can add what we need here: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-ci-docker/-/blob/master/install_depend… 2020-05-07 13-43-15 PDT Patrick It's OK if you don't want to try to fix the Windows part further , but I'm not sure when I find the time to investigate it myself. 2020-03-04 13-34-30 PST Patrick (`--full`) 2020-03-19 15-01-22 PDT Patrick (the default behavior) 2020-03-04 15-06-54 PST Patrick The files you're missing seem to be in `googletest`: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/googletest/filelist 2020-03-04 13-32-01 PST Patrick no, the file I linked. 2020-03-04 13-58-00 PST Patrick 18.04 is different. I think it misses something gmock-related.

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2020-01-18 12-59-24 PST Sergei Izmailov Here are my results ``` Inkscape 1.1-dev (031d86a, 2020-01-16) 0.29879935100325383 s Inkscape 1.1-dev (4cfd59b, 2020-01-17) 0.35072101598780137 s Inkscape 1.0beta2 (43f5480, 2020-01-18) 0.3234521280101035 s ``` 2020-01-26 09-05-48 PST Sergei Izmailov (the cusp part) 2020-01-18 14-30-21 PST Sergei Izmailov i have skype and discord 2020-01-18 13-33-01 PST Sergei Izmailov what is wrong? 2020-01-19 08-25-42 PST Sergei Izmailov you have "def" in the middle of file 2020-01-18 13-00-29 PST Sergei Izmailov Numbers tend to differ by approx 0.1 second 2020-01-26 09-01-14 PST Sergei Izmailov I tested builds around my MR 2020-01-18 14-24-51 PST Sergei Izmailov hm 2020-01-18 13-53-22 PST Sergei Izmailov Why all files are 0 KB on your screenshot? 2020-01-26 11-40-24 PST Sergei Izmailov Too many moving parts are involved to wrap head around it. Maybe I'll get to this some time later 2020-01-18 14-27-31 PST Sergei Izmailov there is no such file 2020-01-18 14-04-53 PST Sergei Izmailov Paths are correct, right 2020-01-26 09-16-20 PST Sergei Izmailov My code may only alter the node type 2020-01-18 13-26-27 PST Sergei Izmailov That happens to everyone at first 2020-01-18 14-23-24 PST Sergei Izmailov i mean 2020-01-18 13-39-57 PST Sergei Izmailov wow, that strange 2020-03-02 02-22-38 PST Sergei Izmailov Cool. Sorry for direct messaging. Unfortunately my announce got little/no attention in devel chat. It works now but it is still too raw to advertise to use it in a daily basis and not instllable from store. 2020-01-18 13-05-02 PST Sergei Izmailov Can you start python interpreter in console? 2020-01-18 12-41-45 PST Sergei Izmailov Hi, I think I'm finished with the benchmark script 2020-01-18 13-14-50 PST Sergei Izmailov Did it work? 2020-01-26 09-39-45 PST Sergei Izmailov inkscape build is quite ~~slow~~ long 2020-01-18 13-52-02 PST Sergei Izmailov 32 should work on both 2020-01-18 14-04-55 PST Sergei Izmailov ? 2020-01-18 14-13-19 PST Sergei Izmailov add just two print lines to the script 2020-01-18 14-06-50 PST Sergei Izmailov it's not a bundle 2020-01-18 08-43-25 PST Sergei Izmailov Hi! 2020-01-18 14-34-59 PST Sergei Izmailov greenmaus#3201 2020-01-18 14-32-00 PST Sergei Izmailov Let me find the "add" button 2020-03-01 01-17-31 PST Sergei Izmailov The extension finds links to commits and adds direct link to corresponding AppImage artifact (if any) 2020-01-26 11-36-17 PST Sergei Izmailov you mean "sodipodi:nodetype"? 2020-01-18 08-48-49 PST Sergei Izmailov Correctness check is a separate task. No need to do all at once 2020-01-26 09-01-27 PST Sergei Izmailov The nodes are cusp, but shape is preserved 2020-01-18 13-22-02 PST Sergei Izmailov Should end with `python.exe` 2020-01-18 14-34-48 PST Sergei Izmailov not sure how many identities this one have 2020-01-18 13-13-27 PST Sergei Izmailov command in console should be `"C:\.....\WindowsApps\python3" run_benchmark.py` 2020-01-18 12-52-42 PST Sergei Izmailov type `cmd` - you will see the console 2020-01-18 13-25-23 PST Sergei Izmailov It creates file, but fails to start inkscape 2020-01-18 14-03-21 PST Sergei Izmailov Is it better now? 2020-01-18 12-46-01 PST Sergei Izmailov Cool 2020-01-18 14-13-45 PST Sergei Izmailov don't use tabs, spaces only 2020-01-19 08-23-17 PST Sergei Izmailov Seems to be more or less correct 2020-01-18 14-21-04 PST Sergei Izmailov ```python #!/usr/bin/python3 import subprocess import shutil, os from timeit import default_timer as timer def measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, verbs): temp_svg = "temp.svg" shutil.copyfile(input_svg, temp_svg) cmd = ([inkscape_executable, f"--verb={';'.join(verbs)}", temp_svg]) # print(" ".join(cmd)) t1 = timer() subprocess.call(cmd, stdout=subprocess.DEVNULL, stderr=subprocess.DEVNULL) t2 = timer() os.remove(temp_svg) # comment out this line to check results of inkscape invocation return t2 - t1 def inkscape_version(inkscape_executable): output = subprocess.check_output([ inkscape_executable, "--version" ], stderr=subprocess.DEVNULL).decode('utf-8') for line in output.split('\n'): if "Inkscape" in line: return line return "Unknown" def measure_object_to_path(inkscape_executable, input_svg): action_verbs = ['EditSelectAll', 'ObjectToPath', 'FileSave', 'FileQuit'] base_line_verbs = ['EditSelectAll', 'FileSave', 'FileQuit'] # cold run to minimize measurement errors measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, base_line_verbs) # actual measurements baseline = measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, base_line_verbs) payload = measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, action_verbs) return payload - baseline if __name__ == "__main__": inkscape_executables = [ "./Inkscape-031d86a-x86_64.AppImage", "./Inkscape-4cfd59b-x86_64.AppImage", "./Inkscape-43f5480-x86_64.AppImage" ] test_file = "100-spirals.svg" with open("results.txt", "w") as results: for exe in inkscape_executables: print(os.path.abspath(os.curdir)) print(exe) version = inkscape_version(exe) elapsed_time = measure_object_to_path(exe, test_file) print(f"{version} {elapsed_time} s", file=results) ``` 2020-01-18 13-35-44 PST Sergei Izmailov so it did work? 2020-01-18 13-51-47 PST Sergei Izmailov probably yes 2020-01-18 13-48-06 PST Sergei Izmailov What a windows mistery 2020-01-18 12-53-36 PST Sergei Izmailov type `cd "C:\path\to\bench"` 2020-01-18 13-38-17 PST Sergei Izmailov [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/adam.belis?msg=iq8ix8DGyFYz9hC6M) is path same as here? () 2020-01-19 08-25-34 PST Sergei Izmailov oh 2020-01-18 13-17-27 PST Sergei Izmailov Did you type it right? 2020-01-18 14-33-19 PST Sergei Izmailov it says there are many of you 2020-01-18 12-45-30 PST Sergei Izmailov within `if __name__==` clause 2020-01-18 15-24-59 PST Sergei Izmailov Ok, thanks 2020-01-18 13-11-30 PST Sergei Izmailov find it's absolute path 2020-01-18 14-28-54 PST Sergei Izmailov show your script again 2020-01-18 12-58-16 PST Sergei Izmailov I'm not using windows on daily basis. Just read that you can click on script to run it 2020-01-26 09-37-55 PST Sergei Izmailov Let's see if it would help 2020-01-18 13-39-22 PST Sergei Izmailov now you are using powershell 2020-01-18 08-58-09 PST Sergei Izmailov Thanks! 2020-01-18 12-53-42 PST Sergei Izmailov with proper path to benchmark 2020-01-18 13-00-34 PST Sergei Izmailov sure 2020-01-18 12-43-46 PST Sergei Izmailov bench-inkscape.zip (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/bc7aWzAoYnnreSkvr/bench-inkscape.zip) 2020-01-18 14-12-52 PST Sergei Izmailov what does it print? 2020-01-18 13-21-11 PST Sergei Izmailov The path on last screenshot doesn't match to what you've shown earlier with explorer 2020-01-18 13-20-15 PST Sergei Izmailov Can't you run pyton3.8? 2020-01-18 15-40-48 PST Sergei Izmailov I remember a friend of mine running inkscape on a quite decent laptop and it was extreemly slow 2020-01-18 13-22-04 PST Sergei Izmailov right 2020-01-19 08-23-21 PST Sergei Izmailov let me check 2020-01-26 09-14-22 PST Sergei Izmailov Actually not really. It seems like the doc's patch is responsible for that 2020-01-18 14-21-14 PST Sergei Izmailov should look like this 2020-01-18 14-23-21 PST Sergei Izmailov to console 2020-01-19 08-26-42 PST Sergei Izmailov compare to original file 2020-01-18 13-09-32 PST Sergei Izmailov 2. you can verify it by `dir` command 2020-01-18 14-09-50 PST Sergei Izmailov add two prints just to see where we are and what is `exe` 2020-01-26 09-04-48 PST Sergei Izmailov Nodes are cusp even for single circle 2020-01-18 14-26-56 PST Sergei Izmailov no 2020-01-18 13-47-59 PST Sergei Izmailov You didn't change single file in the directory 2020-01-19 08-25-25 PST Sergei Izmailov did work for me 2020-01-26 11-36-48 PST Sergei Izmailov this error seems to be with arc->path conversion 2020-01-26 11-35-45 PST Sergei Izmailov some change just triggered it 2020-01-18 08-52-27 PST Sergei Izmailov Do you know python? 2020-01-18 14-17-38 PST Sergei Izmailov same button as ~ 2020-01-18 13-25-01 PST Sergei Izmailov why not? 2020-01-26 09-06-10 PST Sergei Izmailov Another part is that this conversion simply done wrong 2020-01-18 12-45-15 PST Sergei Izmailov The important part is at the bottom 2020-01-18 12-56-33 PST Sergei Izmailov paths to inkscape executables in `run_benchmarks.py` could be relative or absolute 2020-01-18 14-32-34 PST Sergei Izmailov It says "Add Server" 2020-01-18 08-57-45 PST Sergei Izmailov I saw artifacts for linux and mac, but not for windows. 2020-01-18 14-17-48 PST Sergei Izmailov but without shift 2020-01-18 12-47-19 PST Sergei Izmailov At the end it prints time difference between `['EditSelectAll', 'ObjectToPath', 'FileSave', 'FileQuit']` and `['EditSelectAll', 'FileSave', 'FileQuit']` 2020-01-18 08-46-09 PST Sergei Izmailov By the way is there any performance testing in CI? I doubt they exist as it would require stable environment (same machine, number of free cores, etc) 2020-01-18 14-14-45 PST Sergei Izmailov file is saved? 2020-01-18 14-15-03 PST Sergei Izmailov can't be 2020-01-19 08-35-30 PST Sergei Izmailov you are welcom 2020-01-18 14-18-42 PST Sergei Izmailov remove first one 2020-01-26 08-49-18 PST Sergei Izmailov yes, by doctormo 2020-01-18 13-34-08 PST Sergei Izmailov Should not matter 2020-01-18 08-44-17 PST Sergei Izmailov Can you tell how you measure performance? 2020-01-18 13-58-02 PST Sergei Izmailov second 2020-01-18 14-27-55 PST Sergei Izmailov it cannot find `C:\....\inkscape.exe` 2020-01-26 09-38-36 PST Sergei Izmailov :) 2020-01-26 09-38-30 PST Sergei Izmailov On success it would be one char MR 2020-01-18 13-38-58 PST Sergei Izmailov right. 2020-01-26 09-02-01 PST Sergei Izmailov The latest master build is broken 2020-01-18 12-43-09 PST Sergei Izmailov Damn. Cannot attach .py here 2020-03-01 01-16-03 PST Sergei Izmailov Hi, can you tell which browser do you use? Would something like https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/team_devel?msg=M7M3ci4dzzyhYn8kP be helpful for you (except it would be appveyor and windows)? () 2020-01-18 14-17-09 PST Sergei Izmailov ``` ``` 2020-01-26 08-52-21 PST Sergei Izmailov https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/merge_requests/1337 2020-01-18 08-56-07 PST Sergei Izmailov One more question. How do you obtain inkscape builds? 2020-01-18 13-43-33 PST Sergei Izmailov so you cannot start python from start menu either? 2020-01-18 14-25-03 PST Sergei Izmailov you covered interseting part with ptyhon screen 2020-01-18 14-27-16 PST Sergei Izmailov it 's usually what it says it is 2020-01-18 14-21-53 PST Sergei Izmailov did it? 2020-01-26 09-41-56 PST Sergei Izmailov To become a computational physicist I had to develop some sys admin skills. not a big trouble at my side 2020-01-18 14-05-39 PST Sergei Izmailov did you save the file? 2020-01-26 09-39-37 PST Sergei Izmailov I'll be back in hours 2020-01-18 08-51-20 PST Sergei Izmailov Good idea with number of spirals by the way 2020-01-18 12-44-00 PST Sergei Izmailov Indeed. It wouldn't trick gmail thogh 2020-01-18 13-23-10 PST Sergei Izmailov Still no luck? 2020-01-18 08-53-59 PST Sergei Izmailov I have to go right now, I'll be back in a couple of hours (hopefully with benchmark script) 2020-01-18 12-51-33 PST Sergei Izmailov I pasted whole file to ease patching :) 2020-01-18 13-50-50 PST Sergei Izmailov https://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.8.1/ 2020-01-18 12-48-12 PST Sergei Izmailov say `results.txt` 2020-01-26 08-52-45 PST Sergei Izmailov is directly related to unions 2020-01-18 14-08-10 PST Sergei Izmailov can work i guess, but it's so dirty 2020-01-26 11-38-52 PST Sergei Izmailov What I meant is that converted arcs should have smooth nodetype after convertion no matter what 2020-01-18 12-49-56 PST Sergei Izmailov ```python #!/usr/bin/python3 import subprocess import shutil, os from timeit import default_timer as timer def measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, verbs): temp_svg = "temp.svg" shutil.copyfile(input_svg, temp_svg) cmd = ([inkscape_executable, f"--verb={';'.join(verbs)}", temp_svg]) # print(" ".join(cmd)) t1 = timer() subprocess.call(cmd, stdout=subprocess.DEVNULL, stderr=subprocess.DEVNULL) t2 = timer() os.remove(temp_svg) # comment out this line to check results of inkscape invocation return t2 - t1 def inkscape_version(inkscape_executable): output = subprocess.check_output([ inkscape_executable, "--version" ], stderr=subprocess.DEVNULL).decode('utf-8') for line in output.split('\n'): if "Inkscape" in line: return line return "Unknown" def measure_object_to_path(inkscape_executable, input_svg): action_verbs = ['EditSelectAll', 'ObjectToPath', 'FileSave', 'FileQuit'] base_line_verbs = ['EditSelectAll', 'FileSave', 'FileQuit'] # cold run to minimize measurement errors measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, base_line_verbs) # actual measurements baseline = measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, base_line_verbs) payload = measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, action_verbs) return payload - baseline if __name__ == "__main__": inkscape_executables = [ "./Inkscape-031d86a-x86_64.AppImage", "./Inkscape-4cfd59b-x86_64.AppImage", "./Inkscape-43f5480-x86_64.AppImage" ] test_file = "100-spirals.svg" with open("results.txt", "w") as results: for exe in inkscape_executables: version = inkscape_version(exe) elapsed_time = measure_object_to_path(exe, test_file) print(f"{version} {elapsed_time} s", file=results) ``` 2020-01-18 12-52-11 PST Sergei Izmailov Back to question "how to run" 2020-01-18 13-49-25 PST Sergei Izmailov https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44394965/cant-run-python-on-windows-any… 2020-01-18 14-08-14 PST Sergei Izmailov :) 2020-01-18 13-33-04 PST Sergei Izmailov didn't get it 2020-01-26 09-36-47 PST Sergei Izmailov Let me test one idea, my be it will fix that 2020-01-18 13-37-56 PST Sergei Izmailov but you were able to start python, what's changed? 2020-03-01 01-17-55 PST Sergei Izmailov Fairly straightforward, but took me a while to figure out how to deal with it. 2020-01-18 08-50-07 PST Sergei Izmailov something like this 2020-01-18 14-33-06 PST Sergei Izmailov found 2020-01-18 13-44-15 PST Sergei Izmailov hell, i don't understand what's going on 2020-01-18 13-39-29 PST Sergei Izmailov it used to be plain cmd 2020-01-18 13-24-26 PST Sergei Izmailov is path to exe correct? 2020-01-18 08-58-16 PST Sergei Izmailov Yeah, found 2020-01-18 15-42-14 PST Sergei Izmailov 10x is quite a lot, meaning there is whole room of optimizations. Maybe not in inkscape itself... 2020-01-26 11-34-32 PST Sergei Izmailov I'm not sure what exactly is going on there 2020-01-18 13-05-44 PST Sergei Izmailov to folder with script and 100-spirals 2020-01-18 14-29-02 PST Sergei Izmailov can you share screen? 2020-01-18 13-09-38 PST Sergei Izmailov it should show .py and .svg 2020-01-18 12-44-28 PST Sergei Izmailov Zip has two files: 100-spirals.svg is ... 100 spirals 2020-01-18 14-11-32 PST Sergei Izmailov yep 2020-01-18 08-49-19 PST Sergei Izmailov I think actions/verbs can give better time resolution and it can be automated 2020-01-18 12-47-55 PST Sergei Izmailov It prints results in console 2020-01-26 09-37-44 PST Sergei Izmailov Going to change ```cpp int const num_sectors = abs(sang - eang) * 2 / M_PI + 1; ``` to ```cpp int const num_sectors = abs(sang - eang) * 4 / M_PI + 1; ``` 2020-01-18 14-34-28 PST Sergei Izmailov i'm `greenmaus` 2020-01-19 08-26-33 PST Sergei Izmailov `with ` and what follows should be 4 spaces right 2020-01-26 11-35-27 PST Sergei Izmailov I think the problem might be somewhere else 2020-01-18 14-01-28 PST Sergei Izmailov forget what I said about escaping 2020-01-18 12-54-03 PST Sergei Izmailov Note quotes, they are most likely necessary 2020-01-18 14-20-50 PST Sergei Izmailov right, you are not familar with programming 2020-01-18 14-05-55 PST Sergei Izmailov I think first one 2020-01-18 13-34-52 PST Sergei Izmailov You can start with one inkscape to test it's wokring 2020-01-18 13-10-36 PST Sergei Izmailov Can you find pytohn in "start" menu 2020-01-18 08-53-13 PST Sergei Izmailov No problem :) 2020-01-18 13-09-58 PST Sergei Izmailov Let's find out where your python executable is 2020-01-18 12-54-36 PST Sergei Izmailov now you should be able to call the script by `python3 run_benchmarks.py` 2020-01-18 14-06-11 PST Sergei Izmailov copy `inkscape.exe` to folder with script 2020-01-18 13-41-48 PST Sergei Izmailov There must be some starter python pack for windows to make it easy to start, just as in linux:) 2020-01-18 08-50-03 PST Sergei Izmailov `time inkscape --actions='select-all;path-to-objects;exit' sample.svg` 2020-01-18 13-01-54 PST Sergei Izmailov results.txt should appear in same directory 2020-01-26 09-02-24 PST Sergei Izmailov It might be possible to bisect 2020-01-18 14-01-51 PST Sergei Izmailov Just add `r` before the strings 2020-01-18 14-13-35 PST Sergei Izmailov the surrounding should give idea where they should be 2020-01-18 14-16-15 PST Sergei Izmailov tripple back quotes 2020-01-26 08-52-56 PST Sergei Izmailov and is also recent change 2020-01-18 13-21-30 PST Sergei Izmailov last part is missing 2020-01-19 08-33-07 PST Sergei Izmailov sometimes i just can't read what you type :) 2020-01-18 13-02-06 PST Sergei Izmailov and inkscape should show and close for a moment 2020-01-18 12-51-46 PST Sergei Izmailov No, you need to specify bundles for win 2020-01-26 11-36-30 PST Sergei Izmailov i don't think so 2020-01-18 13-54-04 PST Sergei Izmailov [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/adam.belis?msg=okGR2MdeE2s4h8oaP) this one () 2020-01-18 12-45-00 PST Sergei Izmailov Can you read through it? 2020-01-18 12-46-39 PST Sergei Izmailov What it does: It runs inkscape and instructs it with "verb"s 2020-01-18 12-52-36 PST Sergei Izmailov Hit `win+R` - a prompt should appear 2020-01-18 14-06-41 PST Sergei Izmailov No, it would not work 2020-01-18 14-14-19 PST Sergei Izmailov why it didn't print anything? 2020-01-18 14-17-26 PST Sergei Izmailov it's above the "TAB" 2020-01-18 13-25-47 PST Sergei Izmailov of course, those are linux bundles 2020-01-19 08-25-59 PST Sergei Izmailov You broke indentation 2020-01-18 14-30-08 PST Sergei Izmailov I can start video call, but 's not what we want 2020-01-18 12-55-58 PST Sergei Izmailov Not necessary, but could be 2020-01-18 13-47-45 PST Sergei Izmailov How it broke? 2020-01-18 13-59-37 PST Sergei Izmailov I think you can just replace bacslashes `\` with normal ones `/` 2020-01-26 09-16-01 PST Sergei Izmailov For sure 2020-01-18 14-34-00 PST Sergei Izmailov Clipboard - January 19, 2020 1:33 AM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/rTYgAHXy4wLHRdBup/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 14-09-32 PST Sergei Izmailov ```python for exe in inkscape_executables: print(os.path.abspath(os.curdir)) print(exe) version = inkscape_version(exe) elapsed_time = measure_object_to_path(exe, test_file) print(f"{version} {elapsed_time} s", file=results) ``` 2020-01-18 12-48-06 PST Sergei Izmailov I can change it to file 2020-01-18 14-02-07 PST Sergei Izmailov so it would be `r"C:\Users...` 2020-01-18 14-29-24 PST Sergei Izmailov I never tried 2020-01-18 08-45-13 PST Sergei Izmailov Maybe I can help to create the benchmark 2020-01-18 13-08-43 PST Sergei Izmailov 1. Can you start interpreter? 2. Can you change to desired directory? 2020-01-19 08-27-34 PST Sergei Izmailov It might be not a bad idea to learn python. It's everywhere nowadays 2020-01-18 13-19-51 PST Sergei Izmailov May be I'm trying to do it "linux way" 2020-01-18 14-18-39 PST Sergei Izmailov you added extra for loop 2020-01-26 11-34-11 PST Sergei Izmailov nyah, didn't work 2020-01-26 11-35-02 PST Sergei Izmailov number of segments doesn't affect number of nodes 2020-01-18 12-44-36 PST Sergei Izmailov and run_benchmark.py 2020-01-18 08-54-13 PST Sergei Izmailov Thanks for investigating it! 2020-01-18 08-50-57 PST Sergei Izmailov I can show you and/or do it mysefl 2020-01-18 12-55-18 PST Sergei Izmailov or whatever python executable name is 2020-01-18 13-40-24 PST Sergei Izmailov i had my machine running years without reboots) 2020-01-26 11-42-26 PST Sergei Izmailov ok 2020-01-18 08-52-05 PST Sergei Izmailov Do you use linux/windows. How comfortable are you with console? 2020-01-18 14-00-29 PST Sergei Izmailov You can use backslash, but you need to "escape" it 2020-01-18 13-21-23 PST Sergei Izmailov Oh 2020-01-26 08-50-50 PST Sergei Izmailov You mean the path is distorted, right? 2020-01-18 13-51-41 PST Sergei Izmailov is your pc 64 bit? 2020-01-26 09-05-36 PST Sergei Izmailov The problem is that arc->cubic bezier is done with insufficient precision 2020-01-18 12-48-26 PST Sergei Izmailov do you have python3? 2020-01-18 14-00-37 PST Sergei Izmailov `\` -> `\\` 2020-01-18 13-52-09 PST Sergei Izmailov 64 is preferable 2020-01-18 14-17-58 PST Sergei Izmailov yay 2020-01-18 14-21-44 PST Sergei Izmailov yes, but it should print someting in front 2020-01-18 13-25-34 PST Sergei Izmailov so the file is empty 2020-01-19 10-01-04 PST Sergei Izmailov All three are same within error, right? 2020-01-26 09-02-11 PST Sergei Izmailov It distorts all the way 2020-01-18 14-28-15 PST Adam Belis i will try to chage slashes 2020-01-18 13-08-14 PST Adam Belis ok this stil did not work 2020-01-18 08-50-00 PST Adam Belis what do you mean under actions and verbs 2020-01-19 08-16-25 PST Adam Belis i addet this from datetime import datetime and than i tried to add it to the file name but it does not work but i can print it in txt no problem 2020-01-26 11-36-51 PST Adam Belis he saied the problem was always there 2020-01-18 14-13-04 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 11:13 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/6gqWfMtZMCoaJ24u6/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 08-48-40 PST Adam Belis and i just did scren recoriding and than checked it in cuting softver how long it took 2020-01-18 14-13-57 PST Adam Belis yes that was my istake 2020-01-18 13-43-43 PST Adam Belis nope 2020-01-18 14-27-31 PST Adam Belis i dont understnad what it cannot find 2020-01-18 14-13-51 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 11:13 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/Rn9BAHyTTXgQaSAD7/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 14-32-10 PST Adam Belis green 2020-01-18 12-51-43 PST Adam Belis thenks i replaced it 2020-01-18 13-06-15 PST Adam Belis aaaaaaaaaaaah ima idiot 2020-01-18 14-07-25 PST Adam Belis so i should do it other way around 2020-01-18 13-44-02 PST Adam Belis v 2020-01-19 08-23-46 PST Adam Belis it dont want to run if i do this 2020-01-18 13-48-18 PST Adam Belis its jusa say i have wrong verion of pyton for my pc 2020-01-18 13-36-51 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 10:36 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/fBiBvsmn9DwR2T8kL/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 13-57-46 PST Adam Belis aaand we have a new error 2020-01-18 08-50-58 PST Adam Belis but agree that would be better test BUT there is also possibility that maybe ther is som bechmarking already in ink but i dont know about it 2020-01-18 13-54-56 PST Adam Belis sohow 2020-01-18 14-15-57 PST Adam Belis sorry stil didn learn marking 2020-01-18 14-04-10 PST Adam Belis as i send you 2020-01-18 14-34-10 PST Adam Belis :D 2020-01-26 09-00-05 PST Adam Belis yop its broken in all builds 2020-01-26 09-40-37 PST Adam Belis :D 2020-01-18 14-30-10 PST Adam Belis zoom 2020-01-18 13-43-39 PST Adam Belis actualty for sure most of ppl say its easy 2020-01-26 09-37-05 PST Adam Belis go ahead :D 2020-01-19 10-01-55 PST Adam Belis so i think its ok to try to merg this to master 2020-01-18 14-05-42 PST Adam Belis yes 2020-01-18 13-39-50 PST Adam Belis it gives mi that blu error 2020-01-18 14-11-23 PST Adam Belis prints ? 2020-01-26 08-52-13 PST Adam Belis yop 2020-01-26 11-34-43 PST Adam Belis hmmm thats too bad 2020-01-18 15-39-59 PST Adam Belis also i should try to side load linux to text performece on inux maybe my pc is just busted :D 2020-01-18 14-29-43 PST Adam Belis i dont think so 2020-01-18 08-56-40 PST Adam Belis there are outo builds here 2020-01-18 14-23-28 PST Adam Belis oh 2020-01-18 08-52-52 PST Adam Belis but i can kind a read it 2020-01-18 12-48-17 PST Adam Belis ok noob question how do i run it ? :D 2020-01-18 13-24-52 PST Adam Belis yes i think i run but i dont tnik it could open verisons of ink 2020-01-18 13-43-47 PST Adam Belis not even form that place 2020-01-18 13-10-06 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 10:10 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/DEvmdTeLXjzxRpyLm/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 13-24-12 PST Adam Belis we are moving but stil go empty exe 2020-01-26 09-04-58 PST Adam Belis yes thats also new problem :D 2020-01-18 13-33-59 PST Adam Belis i think 2020-01-18 14-22-51 PST Adam Belis nope it did not 2020-01-18 14-14-27 PST Adam Belis dont know 2020-01-18 13-05-31 PST Adam Belis d "C:\path\to\bench" is this path sous to be to one sesific build ? 2020-01-18 13-37-11 PST Adam Belis wel that time when i had wrong paths for ink 2020-01-26 09-42-34 PST Adam Belis oh yes . k now its not that hard i am just dont care about that that much 2020-01-18 08-58-38 PST Adam Belis np 2020-01-26 11-35-04 PST Adam Belis i can just test 2020-01-18 13-39-54 PST Adam Belis one sec 2020-01-18 13-21-41 PST Adam Belis last part of what ? 2020-01-26 08-51-23 PST Adam Belis wait 2020-01-18 12-55-39 PST Adam Belis ok and py should be in that folder where is inkscape right ? 2020-01-18 13-33-48 PST Adam Belis hmmm maybe coz i added 0.94 2020-03-02 02-23-43 PST Adam Belis dont worry about it i am glad that you wroth me ... but in last few days my computer is broken and im woring on fixing on it 2020-01-18 08-48-06 PST Adam Belis i dont know if this does even test what it sous to do 2020-01-18 13-44-01 PST Adam Belis i am ging to dowlad diffrent 2020-01-18 14-04-16 PST Adam Belis it creates txt 2020-01-18 13-39-39 PST Adam Belis iam goign to restar pc 2020-01-18 08-52-31 PST Adam Belis not that much but i used it few times 2020-01-18 13-52-07 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 10:52 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/vbSgDpdaXc8krCSqm/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 14-15-24 PST Adam Belis ```#!/usr/bin/python3 import subprocess import shutil, os from timeit import default_timer as timer def measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, verbs): temp_svg = "temp.svg" shutil.copyfile(input_svg, temp_svg) cmd = ([inkscape_executable, f"--verb={';'.join(verbs)}", temp_svg]) # print(" ".join(cmd)) t1 = timer() subprocess.call(cmd, stdout=subprocess.DEVNULL, stderr=subprocess.DEVNULL) t2 = timer() os.remove(temp_svg) # comment out this line to check results of inkscape invocation return t2 - t1 def inkscape_version(inkscape_executable): output = subprocess.check_output([ inkscape_executable, "--version" ], stderr=subprocess.DEVNULL).decode('utf-8') for line in output.split('\n'): if "Inkscape" in line: return line return "Unknown" def measure_object_to_path(inkscape_executable, input_svg): action_verbs = ['EditSelectAll', 'ObjectToPath', 'FileSave', 'FileQuit'] base_line_verbs = ['EditSelectAll', 'FileSave', 'FileQuit'] # cold run to minimize measurement errors measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, base_line_verbs) # actual measurements baseline = measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, base_line_verbs) payload = measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, action_verbs) return payload - baseline if __name__ == "__main__": inkscape_executables = [ r"C:\Users\Adam\Downloads\inkscape-1.1-dev_2020-01-17_abe53df-x64\inkscape\bin\inkcape.exe", # "C:/Users/Adam/Downloads/inkscape-1.1-dev_2020-01-17_abe53df-x64 - 1/inkscape/bin/inkcape.exe", #r"C:\Users\Adam\Downloads\inkscape-0.92.4_2020-01-12_3ab3b9f-x64\inkscape\ink…" ] test_file = "100-spirals.svg" with open("results.txt", "w") as results: for exe in inkscape_executables: version = inkscape_version(exe) elapsed_time = measure_object_to_path(exe, test_file) print(f"{version} {elapsed_time} s", file=results) for exe in inkscape_executables: print(os.path.abspath(os.curdir)) print(exe) version = inkscape_version(exe) elapsed_time = measure_object_to_path(exe, test_file) print(f"{version} {elapsed_time} s", file=results) 2020-01-18 14-20-33 PST Adam Belis oh 2020-01-19 08-15-29 PST Adam Belis can i annoy you lite bit ? i am tring to add curretn date adn time to name of the file (so it does not get overwrite every time you run it ) but cannot find out correct way to add it ``` #!/usr/bin/python3 import subprocess import shutil, os from datetime import datetime from timeit import default_timer as timer def measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, verbs): temp_svg = "temp.svg" shutil.copyfile(input_svg, temp_svg) cmd = ([inkscape_executable, f"--verb={';'.join(verbs)}", temp_svg]) # print(" ".join(cmd)) t1 = timer() subprocess.call(cmd, stdout=subprocess.DEVNULL, stderr=subprocess.DEVNULL) t2 = timer() os.remove(temp_svg) # comment out this line to check results of inkscape invocation return t2 - t1 def inkscape_version(inkscape_executable): output = subprocess.check_output([ inkscape_executable, "--version" ], stderr=subprocess.DEVNULL).decode('utf-8') for line in output.split('\n'): if "Inkscape" in line: return line return "Unknown" def measure_object_to_path(inkscape_executable, input_svg): action_verbs = ['EditSelectAll', 'ObjectToPath', 'FileSave', 'FileQuit'] base_line_verbs = ['EditSelectAll', 'FileSave', 'FileQuit'] # cold run to minimize measurement errors measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, base_line_verbs) # actual measurements baseline = measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, base_line_verbs) payload = measure(inkscape_executable, input_svg, action_verbs) return payload - baseline def if __name__ == "__main__": # Add paths for inscape builds you want to test inkscape_executables = [ r"D:\Downloads\inkscape-1.1-dev_2020-01-17_abe53df-x64\bin\inkscape.exe", r"D:\Downloads\inkscape-1.0beta2_2020-01-18_43f5480-x64\bin\inkscape.exe", #"./Inkscape-43f5480-x86_64.AppImage" ] test_file = "100-spirals.svg" with open("results" + (datetime.now().strftime('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')) + ".txt", "w") as results: for exe in inkscape_executables: print(os.path.abspath(os.curdir)) print(exe) print(datetime.now().strftime('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')) version = inkscape_version(exe) elapsed_time = measure_object_to_path(exe, test_file) current_time = (datetime.now().strftime('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')) print(f"{version} {elapsed_time} s ", file=results) print(f"{current_time} ", file=results) ``` 2020-01-18 13-19-23 PST Adam Belis i feeel like an idiot 2020-01-18 13-20-52 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 10:20 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/iwtdmyxappWmx9gCw/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 13-38-34 PST Adam Belis yes 2020-01-18 13-19-12 PST Adam Belis why is this so complicated :D 2020-01-18 13-46-52 PST Adam Belis NOPE after reinstal of pyton ssam shit 2020-01-19 10-01-35 PST Adam Belis i round this few times its all same 2020-01-26 09-16-20 PST Adam Belis ok thanks ! 2020-01-18 14-33-33 PST Adam Belis how is that possible there is just one adam belis 2020-03-02 02-00-05 PST Adam Belis yes that would be awesome 2020-01-26 09-38-24 PST Adam Belis once again this tells me almost nothing but lets test it 2020-01-18 13-39-44 PST Adam Belis coz i cannot even run pyton now 2020-01-18 13-25-33 PST Adam Belis if __name__ == "__main__": inkscape_executables = [ "./Inkscape-031d86a-x86_64.AppImage", "./Inkscape-4cfd59b-x86_64.AppImage", "./Inkscape-43f5480-x86_64.AppImage" ] 2020-01-18 14-27-16 PST Adam Belis ok i have idea 2020-01-18 13-04-46 PST Adam Belis i am missing something 2020-01-18 13-20-54 PST Adam Belis this 2020-01-18 14-31-02 PST Adam Belis i think 2020-01-18 14-15-08 PST Adam Belis :D it is 2020-01-19 08-33-58 PST Adam Belis :D sorry i know 2020-01-18 13-21-49 PST Adam Belis i should also include exe 2020-01-26 08-50-04 PST Adam Belis hmm thas not a good news boolian operations are quit bad right now 2020-01-18 14-04-06 PST Adam Belis i got same error 2020-01-18 13-09-04 PST Adam Belis 2. yes 2020-01-18 13-00-52 PST Adam Belis how do i know if it did run ? 2020-01-18 13-12-29 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 10:12 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/wrBxREw2TBnWDXDNF/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 13-09-00 PST Adam Belis 1. dont know what you are asking me 2020-01-18 13-43-23 PST Adam Belis maybe 2020-01-18 08-56-33 PST Adam Belis https://ci.appveyor.com/project/inkscape/inkscape/history 2020-01-18 14-27-57 PST Adam Belis in that case that path is not correct 2020-01-26 09-38-55 PST Adam Belis thats what i would call easy fix 2020-01-18 13-47-20 PST Adam Belis maaan good old bat files :D 2020-01-18 14-25-57 PST Adam Belis contiue 2020-01-18 13-59-07 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 10:59 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/NtQpDPbe9oGhwgwxL/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 13-12-28 PST Adam Belis this 2020-01-18 08-47-51 PST Adam Belis my idea was to this svg select all spirals and convert it to paths 2020-01-18 14-04-18 PST Adam Belis ubt 2020-01-18 14-17-07 PST Adam Belis Nooo :D 2020-01-18 12-45-55 PST Adam Belis yets its readable 2020-01-18 15-42-42 PST Adam Belis i dont tnik ther is enough love wor win verison :D 2020-01-18 08-52-08 PST Adam Belis win 2020-01-26 08-52-57 PST Adam Belis any bool 2020-01-18 14-18-11 PST Adam Belis :D HELP i am useless 2020-03-02 01-59-52 PST Adam Belis i am chrome user 2020-01-18 14-34-45 PST Adam Belis haha i also need your id 2020-01-18 08-51-54 PST Adam Belis thanks i just took your idea and made it 100x100 harder :D 2020-01-18 13-50-11 PST Adam Belis but this is pyton 2.7 2020-01-18 13-11-12 PST Adam Belis yes 2020-01-18 12-48-00 PST Adam Belis oh 2020-01-18 13-00-22 PST Adam Belis i still cannot get it to run give me oooone second to trouble shoot it :D 2020-01-18 13-35-12 PST Adam Belis no that was not it 2020-01-18 12-48-50 PST Adam Belis i think i do on my second pc this is my tablet 2020-01-18 13-54-55 PST Adam Belis ok i fixed it 2020-01-18 13-26-29 PST Adam Belis dont worry we will get there one day 2020-01-26 09-40-35 PST Adam Belis i tried it few times and faild 2020-01-18 13-37-25 PST Adam Belis now it just refuse to run 2020-01-18 13-25-57 PST Adam Belis :D ok im ideiot volume 3 2020-01-18 13-33-57 PST Adam Belis that runs onley on 2.7 python 2020-01-18 08-50-18 PST Adam Belis and i am aslo noob i cannot du this simple scripting in ink 2020-01-18 13-35-28 PST Adam Belis wtf it run few mints ago :D 2020-01-18 14-25-52 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 11:25 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/QiXW2gHjJLoBM653P/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 13-32-39 PST Adam Belis the fuck it refuse to run now 2020-01-18 13-55-11 PST Adam Belis lets try this again 2020-01-18 12-43-34 PST Adam Belis or dropbox 2020-01-26 11-41-01 PST Adam Belis maybe try to gain som more inside from doc he can be more help then me 2020-01-18 14-32-53 PST Adam Belis or give me your user name :D 2020-01-18 14-30-07 PST Adam Belis we can call fb, skype , hang outs chose your poison 2020-01-19 08-28-00 PST Adam Belis i know it is om my potential to do list but i am learning to much stuff already 2020-01-18 14-07-31 PST Adam Belis sript to ink folder 2020-01-18 13-47-53 PST Adam Belis dont know i did nothing 2020-01-18 14-34-48 PST Adam Belis its down in corner 2020-01-18 13-19-06 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 10:19 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/XrFMoJBwrTivcQW44/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 13-43-09 PST Adam Belis no this did not helped 2020-01-18 12-47-57 PST Adam Belis to consol ? 2020-01-26 07-59-19 PST Adam Belis Hello was your hacky fixe merged in to master ? 2020-01-18 09-15-55 PST Adam Belis ok i scaled my test to 1000 spirals and my first findings wear correct your buid is 2x slower at this task 2020-01-26 11-36-35 PST Adam Belis maybe .. you saied that thats a problem 2020-01-18 13-23-49 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 10:23 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/DZinRbbGBDH4AR7Pr/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 14-23-17 PST Adam Belis just empty txt 2020-01-18 13-25-32 PST Adam Belis i should replace paths to this 2020-01-18 13-43-56 PST Adam Belis its saying its incomaptible 2020-01-18 14-24-37 PST Adam Belis nada 2020-01-18 13-53-46 PST Adam Belis witch files ? 2020-01-19 09-59-46 PST Adam Belis btw this are results on my main pc (i7-6800k 3.4ghz) Inkscape 1.1-dev (abe53df, 2020-01-17) 1.4908316999999993 s Inkscape 1.0beta2 (43f5480, 2020-01-18) 1.5817405999999998 s Inkscape 1.0beta2 (18c40e5, 2019-12-05) 1.4947684999999993 s 2020-01-18 13-24-15 PST Adam Belis txt 2020-01-18 13-50-16 PST Adam Belis do i want that 2020-01-18 13-49-27 PST Adam Belis instaler say amd that could be prolem this is intel 2020-01-18 13-25-35 PST Adam Belis ? 2020-01-18 14-32-41 PST Adam Belis oh 2020-01-18 14-06-30 PST Adam Belis just exe ? 2020-01-26 08-52-11 PST Adam Belis 1.1-dev (0217ea3, 2020-01-23) 2020-01-18 13-44-54 PST Adam Belis i dont know eater maybe i dowalded wrong pyton for diff procesor but in that cas it should say that from the first try 2020-01-26 09-04-21 PST Adam Belis well right now its pretty broken . i know shit about math that is happning under hood but it looks like 3 problems that happend at once. - your fix - doc fix of too many points - and docs fix infroduces new bug with cistorting shapes 2020-01-18 13-57-50 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 10:57 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/dyX6iXrHesCDRCyPQ/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 14-31-14 PST Adam Belis yes thats my user name on discort 2020-01-18 14-33-25 PST Adam Belis even pewdipai could not find it :D 2020-01-18 14-32-42 PST Adam Belis friends 2020-01-18 08-51-31 PST Adam Belis that could be use full to me 2020-01-26 11-37-06 PST Adam Belis but now it just uncoverd it 2020-01-18 09-39-32 PST Adam Belis your build 70 sec master 35 sec 2020-01-26 11-34-59 PST Adam Belis maybe doctor could point you to better direction 2020-01-18 13-25-08 PST Adam Belis you tell me 2020-01-26 08-50-15 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 26, 2020 5:50 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/ZqAZTKoKXArignr9b/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 14-32-07 PST Adam Belis hahah add freind 2020-01-18 08-43-35 PST Adam Belis hello 2020-01-26 11-40-43 PST Adam Belis ok that would be awesome 2020-01-18 14-11-36 PST Adam Belis :D 2020-01-18 08-52-43 PST Adam Belis i am simple stupid designer :D 2020-01-18 14-21-29 PST Adam Belis hmmm same error 2020-01-18 14-30-36 PST Adam Belis i nver used discord for calling les try that 2020-01-18 13-09-39 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 10:09 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/jhzeAvQ5DXjmycvwr/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 14-34-19 PST Adam Belis musseg up 2020-01-18 13-54-12 PST Adam Belis oOOOOOOOOOOOOO 2020-01-18 12-43-27 PST Adam Belis you can zip it 2020-01-18 13-48-04 PST Adam Belis nope 2020-01-18 12-51-31 PST Adam Belis will this work for win ? 2020-01-18 13-17-06 PST Adam Belis cannot find thet folder 2020-01-18 14-17-01 PST Adam Belis \\\ \\\ 2020-01-18 14-15-34 PST Adam Belis this is my current py 2020-01-26 09-05-24 PST Adam Belis funny thing is that lpe boolioan use diffrent math (looks like) and works correctly 2020-01-18 14-08-21 PST Adam Belis that does not work i get same error 2020-01-18 14-30-58 PST Adam Belis adambelis 2020-01-18 14-33-41 PST Adam Belis same avatar as here 2020-01-18 14-32-19 PST Adam Belis in middel of the screen on home page 2020-01-18 14-32-29 PST Adam Belis on top 2020-01-19 08-34-52 PST Adam Belis that python could be useful to me because i could use it in 3D software like Houdini or cinema 4d 2020-01-18 12-51-32 PST Adam Belis inkscape_executables = [ "./Inkscape-031d86a-x86_64.AppImage", "./Inkscape-4cfd59b-x86_64.AppImage", "./Inkscape-43f5480-x86_64.AppImage" ] 2020-01-18 12-47-54 PST Adam Belis where does it print to ? 2020-01-18 15-22-11 PST Adam Belis thanks again for that banchmark i will try toput together issu with proposal for som kind ofo official banch mark test for performace 2020-01-18 13-25-06 PST Adam Belis dont know :D 2020-01-18 13-25-23 PST Adam Belis aaaaaaaaah 2020-01-26 09-15-11 PST Adam Belis ok i wrote him about it so you are 100 percent shure its not your code that case the problem ? 2020-01-18 08-54-28 PST Adam Belis thanks for solving 2020-01-18 12-48-34 PST Adam Belis i think result txt would be better for the record 2020-01-18 08-56-55 PST Adam Belis maybe there are also maybe some for linux 2020-01-18 15-40-52 PST Adam Belis but i dont think so actualy it can run blender or cinema 4d pretty resonably 2020-01-18 14-24-39 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 11:24 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/86KwEGqYn2wRBgWHm/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 14-05-06 PST Adam Belis should be copypasta 2020-01-18 13-38-11 PST Adam Belis thats what i am wondering 2020-01-18 08-58-08 PST Adam Belis this are win 2020-01-18 08-47-28 PST Adam Belis i dont tnik so but i could be wrong i am not a best person to ask about this kind of stuff i canoot even compile inkscape :D 2020-01-18 13-33-38 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 10:33 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/zGnHwXvHNZrELfKzk/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-18 14-34-09 PST Adam Belis intresing i fell like boomer 2020-01-18 14-05-41 PST Adam Belis which file it cannot find ? 2020-01-18 14-29-15 PST Adam Belis can we call here ? 2020-01-18 13-40-20 PST Adam Belis right this is my every expirienc wiith pyton ever i am alwes like wow this does not work :D 2020-01-18 12-48-52 PST Adam Belis one sec 2020-01-18 14-01-03 PST Adam Belis Clipboard - January 18, 2020 11:01 PM (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/523iowHZyHpzmwQcr/Clipboard%20-%20Jan…) 2020-01-26 11-36-24 PST Adam Belis probably doctor sayed the same thing 2020-01-18 14-27-10 PST Adam Belis ok so your script does not work ? 2020-01-18 08-49-22 PST Adam Belis but i was tasting how this will influenc performance 2020-01-18 13-55-03 PST Adam Belis reinstal instal reinstal 2020-01-19 08-28-34 PST Adam Belis cout yes it could be usfull even for my 3d stuff a specali for houdiny 2020-01-18 13-51-30 PST Adam Belis do iwant amd or win 32 2020-01-18 14-25-30 PST Adam Belis it does not tocntie 2020-01-19 08-26-02 PST Adam Belis oh 2020-01-26 08-51-20 PST Adam Belis yes 2020-01-18 14-11-35 PST Adam Belis oh 2020-01-18 13-54-27 PST Adam Belis dont know 2020-01-18 08-58-05 PST Adam Belis https://ci.appveyor.com/project/inkscape/inkscape/builds/30203579/job/n52kw… 2020-01-19 08-37-48 PST Adam Belis :D thanks but moments (tha this code jus dont want to run) like this reminds me why i am i visual artist and not a developer 2020-01-18 12-57-04 PST Adam Belis ah that make more sace 2020-01-18 13-32-46 PST Adam Belis say i have vrong verison 2020-01-19 10-01-22 PST Adam Belis yes 2020-01-18 13-54-23 PST Adam Belis good question 2020-01-18 14-06-47 PST Adam Belis i know :D 2020-01-18 08-58-20 PST Adam Belis cool 2020-01-26 11-35-53 PST Adam Belis just theoreticly if nodes would have that atribute would that fix it ? 2020-01-26 08-54-57 PST Adam Belis but if you can pleas test it yourself if you see same 2020-01-18 12-49-12 PST Adam Belis i think i do 2020-01-18 14-32-49 PST Adam Belis and after that 2020-01-18 13-52-09 PST Adam Belis yop 2020-01-18 13-25-50 PST Adam Belis with my builds 2020-01-18 13-20-25 PST Adam Belis no i think this is how it sous to be don i think i don this befor 2020-01-26 09-07-42 PST Adam Belis hmmm if you have time and energy try to get in contac with @doctormo and try to make a plan how to fix (or revert or dont know ) 2020-01-18 13-37-20 PST Adam Belis it created emty txt 2020-01-18 14-21-14 PST Adam Belis no no i got it 2020-01-18 13-25-03 PST Adam Belis if it didnt run it would not crate txt 2020-01-26 08-53-13 PST Adam Belis ok give me one sec i will try that spasific build 2020-01-18 14-26-51 PST Adam Belis could this be pyton glitch / wrong pyton instaled ? 2020-01-18 14-14-54 PST Adam Belis yop 2020-01-18 13-39-30 PST Adam Belis ok i just tested if that helps 2020-01-18 08-46-40 PST Adam Belis benchmarksvg.svg (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/AYNLFshaDuydi9oSJ/benchmarksvg.svg) 2020-01-18 14-19-43 PST Adam Belis firs what ? 2020-01-26 08-51-40 PST Adam Belis let me test it one more tim to be sure im looking at correct build 2020-01-18 08-52-34 PST Adam Belis NOPE :D 2020-01-18 13-59-11 PST Adam Belis is this correct syntax ? 2020-01-18 13-54-18 PST Adam Belis :D 2020-01-18 14-33-56 PST Adam Belis adambelis#3440

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2020-09-06 04-24-15 PDT Martin Owens Thanks Tav! Amazing GSoC and a strong performance from yourself and the other mentors this year. 2020-05-15 14-37-24 PDT Martin Owens GDI, the meeting was today? 2021-01-06 18-14-30 PST Martin Owens @speleo3 I see this as a very tiny patch, possibly misguided, but perhaps they can be asked to work on another bug if they are trying to get patches in for GSoC 2020-05-15 14-37-40 PDT Martin Owens Oh right the email Mc sent round. Sorry all. 2020-05-15 08-54-26 PDT Mc Thank you all for coming ! Sorry Jabiert that you could not talk :( 2020-07-29 09-49-05 PDT Mc yes 2020-06-30 12-52-18 PDT Mc * it would be preferable, yes, if several mentors have been following up with the projects * only one eval per student can be posted, so I think it would be best that the "primary" mentor of students post theirs, after discussing it with the others * I think it's fine to wait for thursday evening 2020-08-31 07-55-24 PDT Mc @all https://digimedia1.r2.enst.fr/b/mar-yyy-2z2 as usual 2020-07-30 09-03-43 PDT Mc @jabiertxof @speleo3 https://digimedia1.r2.enst.fr/b/mar-yyy-2z2 2020-05-15 07-59-59 PDT Mc https://digimedia1.r2.enst.fr/b/mar-yyy-2z2 2020-07-29 07-46-58 PDT Mc @Tav @speleo3 @ede123 is tomorrow tentatively 18hCEST (16hUTC) ok to meet with moazin & linkmauve ? 2020-07-30 16-12-08 PDT Mc only moazin to do, tweenk emailed that he would do it soon 2020-05-15 09-08-32 PDT Jabier Arraiza and I loosse most of the discussion in the process 2020-05-15 09-08-09 PDT Jabier Arraiza I coulsd talk finaly using my mobile phone browser but is hard to me undertand speak and hardest speak 2020-07-31 04-27-44 PDT Jabier Arraiza sorry finaly cant attend 2020-05-15 08-00-25 PDT Jabier Arraiza thanks 2020-05-15 07-59-05 PDT Jabier Arraiza whats the BlueBuitton link, couldent search 2020-07-29 14-25-49 PDT Jabier Arraiza I try to attend 2020-05-15 08-00-41 PDT Jabier Arraiza I just see land in other mail 2020-09-06 18-12-08 PDT Jabier Arraiza Thanks all!!! 2020-07-29 07-47-54 PDT Tavmjong Bah Yes 2020-07-30 23-41-28 PDT Tavmjong Bah Thanks all! 2020-07-02 09-38-14 PDT Tavmjong Bah It was great to see all the progress today! @Mc Thanks for organizing this. 2020-07-01 05-07-46 PDT Tavmjong Bah Don't know why I didn't see this before... 2020-09-06 04-17-39 PDT Tavmjong Bah Thanks all for a great GSoC! (And getting the evaluations all done on time!) 2020-09-05 23-02-57 PDT Tavmjong Bah I don't think it matters significantly if the student didn't complete the project. It happens all the time. 2020-07-30 12-34-59 PDT Tavmjong Bah 4 student evaluations of mentors done. 2 mentor evaluations of students done. Don't make me nervous! 2020-07-29 08-15-13 PDT Thomas Holder yes 2021-01-06 15-02-54 PST Thomas Holder I'm having a deja-vu :-( IMHO Adrian's motivation to commit a patch is wrong, and his patch is pointless. This is discouraging. 2021-01-06 15-01-04 PST Thomas Holder https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/merge_requests/2655#note_479863443 2020-07-30 23-36-11 PDT Thomas Holder all done 2020-09-05 17-56-51 PDT Patrick Specifically I'm looking at Abhay's project, that is not "complete" given his initial goals (e.g. macro functionality mostly missing), but at the same time I never really expected him to complete all of it on time and had more realistic "internal" goals for his project in mind that he mostly matched (a mostly working command palette). 2020-07-01 05-00-42 PDT Patrick Thanks Marc, so basically "apply common sense", no particular project-specific conventions AFAIU. 2020-07-01 05-03-46 PDT Patrick As for Abhay I could do the evaluation in principle; @speleo3 and @jabiertxof are co-mentoring; Tav helped a lot as well. 2020-07-01 05-05-42 PDT Patrick Some guidance would be helpful to know how strictly we're supposed to grade, however I'm used to grade students, so I'd be able to figure something out either way. 2020-09-05 17-53-09 PDT Patrick Hi @all, can somebody comment on the significance of the question "Did ${student} complete the project?" in the final evaluation? If we answer this with "no", do we risk any drawbacks for the student or us as a project, or is it fine to answer "no" if the project is still ongoing at this time? 2020-07-01 05-01-21 PDT Patrick (pinging @Tav as I'm not sure he saw this message considering the mail he sent) 2020-05-15 09-06-33 PDT Patrick I've finally figured out how to use my webcam. Maybe you can see me next time. ;-) 2020-06-30 12-25-17 PDT Patrick Hi all, considering first eval's up, can some of the experienced mentors comment on how those are typically handled in the project? Any pointers are welcome! Some specific questions I have: * Do we discuss evaluations as a group / within the group of mentors for the specific student / (not at all)? * Related to that, who's expected to submit the evaluation (and when)? (I think we've appointed some "primary" mentors internally, but as far as Google is concerned it seems all of the mentors are equal and even org admins could do the evaluation) * We have a meeting scheduled on Thursday. Is it fine (or even advisable) to hold off with the evaluation until then, or should we evaluate as early as possible? 2020-07-29 08-31-58 PDT Patrick I won't be available tomorrow, sorry. 2020-07-29 08-32-31 PDT Patrick Did you make contact with linkmauve? 2020-05-15 07-28-26 PDT Mc User Tweenk added by Mc. 2021-02-06 16-35-47 PST Martin Owens Has left the channel.

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2020-01-02 15-56-48 PST Major No windows 2020-01-02 15-57-19 PST Major ok thanks 2020-01-02 15-55-03 PST Major ? 2020-01-02 15-54-58 PST Major can you help me 2020-01-02 15-55-02 PST Major please 2020-01-02 15-53-50 PST Major Bonjour René, êtes vous français ? 2020-01-02 15-54-46 PST Major Ok I have a little problem 2020-01-02 15-54-26 PST René de Hesselle English and German only. 2020-01-02 15-57-05 PST René de Hesselle Sorry, can't help you with that. I'm the macOS maintainer. 2020-01-02 15-56-29 PST René de Hesselle Post your questions into the user channel, so more people will be able to help. I'm a developer, but a novice user. Unless your question has something to do with the macOS app, I'm not your guy.

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2020-02-26 12-40-31 PST Ayush Krishna Murthi Yes, I am familiar with it 2020-02-26 12-44-50 PST Ayush Krishna Murthi I am familiar with selectors and css dialogs but not have much idea about improving it. Sorry for what i said earlier. 2020-02-26 12-31-24 PST Ayush Krishna Murthi Hi, This is Ayush, a college student. I am interested in contributing to project "Enhance CSS Support". Not able to find related documentation. 2020-02-26 12-36-57 PST Ayush Krishna Murthi Yes, I am a gsoc aspirant. 2020-02-26 12-36-05 PST Ayush Krishna Murthi I have been contributing to one of my college community as a web developer and have also done a small contribution to Inkscape-website. I am familiar with CSS, Django, Java and C++. Any suggestion about required technology that can be useful in contribution will be helpful. 2020-02-26 12-38-04 PST Tavmjong Bah Have you tried out the Selectors and CSS dialog in master? I'm sure as a web developer you will have some ideas on how to improve it. 2020-02-26 12-41-18 PST Tavmjong Bah I would start my making a review of the dialog and then proposing a set of improvements that could be made to it. 2020-02-26 12-36-14 PST Tavmjong Bah Your referring to P1 at https://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code ?

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2020-06-04 10-20-21 PDT Mandeep Alright. 2020-06-05 14-25-36 PDT Mandeep Hi, So I tried to find my way around GitLab but I am still not very comfortable using that platform. Is it possible that we could communicate over e-mails till the time I understand the security, work flow & privacy settings around GitLab? 2020-06-04 10-19-03 PDT Mandeep I can join via text, right? 2020-06-04 10-22-28 PDT Mandeep I will check that as well. 2020-06-04 10-20-06 PDT Mandeep team_vectors? 2020-06-06 09-53-59 PDT Mandeep Yes, SEO plan will be ready in a couple of days & I already have few ideas that should be able to help us. I will put all of this together in an email. 2020-06-04 10-18-15 PDT Mandeep I will be able to join the meeting but don't think that the actionable plan for SEO will be ready by then. It will take me around 2-3 days. 2020-06-04 10-02-15 PDT Mandeep Sure, I can look after SEO side of it. I also design E-mails & manage social channels for my full time job. I can also look after that for Inkscape. 2020-06-04 10-19-58 PDT Mandeep & the meeting's here? 2020-06-04 09-56-42 PDT Mandeep My focus is on digital side of the marketing but I handle other aspects as well. 2020-06-05 14-27-21 PDT Mandeep Thanks. 2020-06-04 09-47-21 PDT Mandeep Hi, Thanks for reaching out. I have requested for the access. I have majored in marketing and have been working for a few years in the marketing field for various kinds of companies, helping them with their SEM. SEO, Content, E-mail marketing etc. 2020-06-04 10-01-09 PDT Mandeep Yes, Agreed! We won't be able to compete against them in terms of the resources that they have. 2020-06-04 10-23-30 PDT Mandeep Nice talking to you, I will catch up with you during the meeting. Do let me know if there is something I can help with. Thanks. 2020-06-04 10-09-01 PDT Mandeep You can provide me access for whichever platform you need me to manage. So our goal is to get more users & keep the project floating & growing, Understood. 2020-06-04 10-11-32 PDT Mandeep I will share what we should do in terms of SEO, in a couple of days & then we can work towards it. 2020-06-04 10-10-43 PDT Mandeep For e-mails, platforms like mailchimp, moosend etc. do provide some sort of basic and free functionality upto 2000 contacts. We can use their services and promote inkscape. Maybe we can have a sign-up form on our website, segment the audience and optimize the emails per user behaviour. 2020-06-02 15-02-09 PDT Ryan Gorley When you get a minute, let me know a little more about yourself and background and let's find a way to put your talent to good work. I'm glad to have you! 2020-06-02 15-01-36 PDT Ryan Gorley If you don't have a GitLab account, please create one and then request access to that group. You'll a lot of prior projects, meeting topics, ideas, etc. in the Issues. 2020-06-04 10-04-42 PDT Ryan Gorley It may be worth it. 2020-06-04 10-21-04 PDT Ryan Gorley https://lists.inkscape.org/postorius/lists/inkscape-vectors.lists.inkscape.… 2020-06-04 10-18-41 PDT Ryan Gorley That's alright. It will be nice to have you introduce yourself at least. 2020-06-04 10-24-16 PDT Ryan Gorley Likewise, and I certainly will. Thanks for joining us. I'm glad to have you onboard! 2020-06-06 09-35-28 PDT Ryan Gorley Thanks for joining our meeting. I'd love to put your expertise to work. Do you think you'll have some ideas to share before our next meeting? I'd love to hear them. 2020-06-04 10-20-09 PDT Ryan Gorley Yes, in the #team_vectors channel 2020-06-06 09-57-54 PDT Ryan Gorley Sweet. I'm glad to see you connecting with Michele about keywords as well. 2020-06-04 10-07-11 PDT Ryan Gorley Something to keep in mind, that I had to learn, was that the important social good brought about the project aside, the project itself really doesn't benefit directly from more users. We should get the tool out there for people, because that is the right thing to do, but we need to optimize for conversions in the form of contributors (and to a lesser extent donations). 2020-06-04 10-04-18 PDT Ryan Gorley I think it would be great to get additional eyes on social media. We've never done anything with emails. I think that could be interesting. It will be a little more difficult to get off the ground because we'll have to get infrastructure put in place, which is a struggle right now. 2020-06-04 10-00-57 PDT Ryan Gorley There is much more than search optimization we need, but that is definitely something you would bring unique expertise on. 2020-06-04 10-19-32 PDT Ryan Gorley Yeah, the meeting is all text. 2020-06-02 15-00-18 PDT Ryan Gorley Hi @Mandeep . Thanks for reaching out. I'm sorry to take so long getting back with you. I run a small creative agency (https://freehive.com) and we've been really busy the last few weeks. I come from a marketing background as well. In fact, the Vectors came about in part because I came asking the same question you have and no one was really doing any marketing work for the project. Here is a small survey I put out around then to understand better who was using Inkscape, and where they saw the value in the application: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hz_Q6epUfUJXO0w_XZGZ8GRDOOpzjl_kXe9… Give it a look if you like. You can also find a lot of our business on GitLab at: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors 2020-06-04 09-59-56 PDT Ryan Gorley We're not exactly in competition with the commercial tools on the market, and I don't really feel like we need to be of that mindset, but rather we should help as many people as possible discover Inkscape and make the choice for themselves. 2020-06-04 09-58-33 PDT Ryan Gorley I haven't gotten this off the ground, in part because I've been the only one with any experience with it, but I would love for the project to make a more deliberate effort to optimize for search phrases that will help us get found more often. 2020-06-04 10-14-01 PDT Ryan Gorley There is a lot of resistance from certain quarters within the project to using proprietary tools, just so you know. I think an email would be good though. 2020-06-04 10-19-27 PDT Ryan Gorley When you are ready to publish your plan, just create an issue in the "General" subgroup of our GitLab group and post what you have there. It supports markdown. 2020-06-04 10-20-43 PDT Ryan Gorley Oh, and we do have a group mailing list if you want to get reminders on meetings. It is at... 2020-06-05 14-26-19 PDT Ryan Gorley Yeah, sure. My email is ryan(a)freehive.com 2020-06-04 10-08-28 PDT Ryan Gorley Donations are less valuable right now because the project hasn't really figured out how to spend that money on anything but hackfests. We're figuring that out, but contributions of time and talent go much further right now. 2020-06-04 10-16-53 PDT Ryan Gorley An initial dive into what we can do on the SEO front would be awesome. We tried to pick a time for our meeting that works for most quarters of the world. Someone said it is pretty late in your timezone. Is it doable? 2020-06-04 09-57-09 PDT Ryan Gorley Nice

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2020-09-11 05-00-52 PDT Abhay Raj Singh Thanks! I have a meeting today with Tav I guess this is what he wanted to talk to me about? 2020-02-17 07-00-33 PST Abhay Raj Singh Hey! there are some more changes required in `spin button tool item` If you have already been working on it, can you please add those changes, if you haven't may I go ahead and do both I kind of need them for my MR :sweat_smile: 2020-09-11 05-40-53 PDT Abhay Raj Singh This might also enable us to standardize dialogs, and not creating specific dialog where not necessary 2020-02-17 08-02-23 PST Abhay Raj Singh There's a place where code adds bunch of value which aren't needed including negative sometimes😂 2020-09-11 05-49-53 PDT Abhay Raj Singh **Second problem : Previews** Previews are executed as Do and undo, so we need to solve that too 2020-09-11 05-38-11 PDT Abhay Raj Singh ``` struct ParamDetails { Glib::ustring name; Glib::ustring description; ParamType type; } enum class ParamType { INTEGER, DOUBLE, STRING, COLOR, }; ``` when making dialog name is for lable, description for tooltip, paramtype helps in making customized input fields like color selectors, spinners 2020-09-11 05-38-42 PDT Abhay Raj Singh Though, these are not necessary for core actions 2020-09-11 05-15-05 PDT Abhay Raj Singh I have some solutions to the problems faced earlier 2020-09-11 05-32-34 PDT Abhay Raj Singh Solution for that was 2020-09-11 05-31-59 PDT Abhay Raj Singh But the actual problem was creating string 2020-09-11 05-39-39 PDT Abhay Raj Singh Other things such as value ranges can also be added 2020-09-11 05-04-34 PDT Abhay Raj Singh Thanks for you work by the way, it will enable me to add tracking and multiple parameter more easily and will function better! 2020-02-16 11-13-58 PST Abhay Raj Singh Yeah I got the same error when I was working on text might be the in *SpinButtonToolItem*. Will fix it soon Thanks for drawing my attention to this will have took my time to even track the bug :grinning: 2020-09-11 05-31-38 PDT Abhay Raj Singh The solution *was* for the problem of multiple parameter for an action which we cannot have with Vanilla actions, A function to make strings for action and when the target function receives the string, it blindly parses as it know what parameters and type of parameters are required. 2020-09-11 05-51-01 PDT Abhay Raj Singh **Third problem: History sensitivity" opening a dialog should not be sensitive to history but most actions should be 2020-03-04 10-46-17 PST Abhay Raj Singh Thank you very much I would have totally missed that. Also, numerical codes can be added so that one can also follow a german/chinese/hindi tutorial too without access performance costs. 2020-03-04 10-36-52 PST jhofinger Hi, just read your GSOC proposal. From my role (bug triaging), it's super cool to have someone who has a lot of practical experience actually using Inkscape, that's not true for everyone in the dev team. While I can't comment on technical feasability (althouh I think it should be doable, since Inkscape already has a very good "verbs" list), I have two annotations: * Please check that the shortcut for the commant palette is very easy to use with common locales. Strg+` can't be used on a German keyboard, since it requires the ` key to be pressed twice to show the character. * When searching for commands, it should show only localized results, BUT searching for english command names should work as well. When I use a localized Inkscape version, but am trying to follow an English tutorial, I sometimes don't know the localized equivalent of the string, so I'd try to search for the english one. That would be especially cool for filters, because they have very weird names (see also https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/1939). Maybe show the results like the following, when e.g. searching for [str] * Füllung und Kontur (Fill and **Str**oke) * **Str**euung 2020-09-11 05-09-36 PDT jhofinger That was the plan. There are still some details to figure out though. 2020-02-16 11-34-47 PST jhofinger Found it, thanks for pointing me there! 2020-02-17 07-38-51 PST jhofinger Oh okay.. Yes I did something, but it's not 100%. Go ahead, I'll review your MR then, if you cc me 😉 2020-02-17 07-46-29 PST jhofinger Also I simply added a function to check if a value is out of bounds or already there. It just didn't compile for some reason ^^ im still confused by c++ sometimes, normally I use c#. Anyway looking forward to your solution! 2020-09-11 05-03-12 PDT jhofinger Yes 2020-02-16 11-11-17 PST jhofinger (or if you tell me where the code for this is, I might have a look at it myself) 2020-02-16 11-09-45 PST jhofinger Hi, since you were working on the right click of the text field: could you have a look whats happening here https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues/690 and here https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/issues/689? 2020-09-11 05-16-54 PDT jhofinger For example? 2020-09-10 11-54-17 PDT jhofinger Hi! After some discussion in the shortcuts MR with Patrick and Tav, I've implemented a subclass to SimpleAction that encapsulates all the extra data Inkscape needs to store. I was told that you were working on formalizing the argument structure of action parameters, so you might be interested in this as well. https://gitlab.com/jhofinger/inkscape/-/commit/e82e30019f4cd12089837019bcef… 2020-09-10 11-54-42 PDT jhofinger Until now, I've only rewritten the snap bar actions

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