2019-02-12 14-55-36 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>how does that impact you, all that I've said, it's good to have insight into how others may view it, I might be missing some angles
2019-02-15 17-06-08 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>thank you for the link, but bookkeeping is not my passion
2018-11-27 11-29-49 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>bug tracker seems such an obvious place for that
2019-02-12 14-29-02 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>https://www.gnome.org/foundation/careers/development-coordinator/
2018-11-27 11-32-00 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>or with a little push here and there
2018-11-27 11-41-33 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>to code
2019-02-12 14-33-47 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>yay!
2019-02-12 14-48-17 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>but I want to work remotely, and not super full time
2018-11-27 11-26-54 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>are there some who don't want to? Maybe Tav?
2018-12-26 16-09-34 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>if he already has an instance for the static forum copy then you can use devel-01 for something else
2019-02-12 14-36-10 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>in contract that's before taxes right?
2018-11-27 11-50-50 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>he did ask on chat, and the only person there didn't know what to say :p
2018-11-27 11-23-18 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>what is the proper procedure then
2019-02-12 14-50-16 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>lol
2018-11-27 11-26-43 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>what's the best practice for contributing to UX? Should the original dev be involved?
2018-11-27 11-20-20 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>:shrimp:
2018-11-27 11-30-17 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>yes
2018-11-27 11-46-11 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>but I may still be missing something about the procedure
2018-11-27 11-31-47 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>ok then it will grow from there spontaneously
2018-11-27 11-29-59 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>with nice design or UX tag on the issue
2018-11-27 11-29-25 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>but how do devs who need UX review broadcast that? if they're not in the chat here it doesn't get noticed
2018-11-27 11-22-10 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>hehe
2019-02-12 14-50-49 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>it's not the same thing, different processes, but when zoomed out it's the same neighbourhood
2018-11-27 11-28-05 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>I think there's some activity around that on the UX channel here
2019-02-12 14-46-48 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>I'm itching to send my application, but I almost never searched for a job, and process with my clients is different
2018-11-27 11-20-09 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>notin much just hangin bout
2018-11-27 11-33-43 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>yes
2018-12-26 16-08-59 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>it doesn't seem we'll get the forum data but Javier is leeching it anyway and we'll serve it as static
2019-02-12 14-45-36 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>lovely
2018-12-26 16-08-20 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>yes, of course
2018-11-27 11-42-16 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>bits around the interface that bug you when you're using Inkscape
2019-02-12 15-03-12 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>I've already built something that is more than enough to start, what are your showstopping issues?
2019-02-12 14-28-52 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>do you have any ballpark idea on the approximate compensation for that GNOME job Development Coordinator?
2019-02-12 14-54-26 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>I already have a career, that's the thing, how much of an obstacle is that to them
2019-02-12 14-53-51 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>plus my psych profiles usually describe as motivator/networker/campaigner so those are almost built for fundraising jobs
2018-11-27 11-24-58 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>no mans land
2018-11-27 11-51-07 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>ok I'll put that on the list of good places to track
2018-11-27 11-12-39 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>pretending to be online eh
2018-11-27 11-46-53 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>where exactly do new people find out about the person working on a piece of code etc, and what's been happening on git ...
2018-11-27 11-12-32 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>ohai
2019-02-22 10-53-36 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>he mentioned contributing to the Mac side, is he in that channel? Why is it important to edit the wiki to contribute to Mac?
2019-02-12 14-47-58 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>I don't expect that to be problem, I feel like I have loads of marketing and business experience
2018-11-27 11-25-38 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>us both ;)
2018-11-27 11-26-11 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>the guy is saw is familiar with GL
2019-02-22 10-52-53 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>can you deal with capin? He seems abrasive but I don't know exactly what is happening and Maren seems done with him
2019-02-12 14-53-10 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>that word doesn't hit the bullseye for me, not as a goal, but my end goal of working for open source, and raising funds to progress open source projects is soooo inspiring, so in that sense you can say that it is
2019-02-12 14-30-15 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>pls guess
2018-11-27 09-45-08 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>oy you there?
2019-02-12 14-57-33 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>thanks! I will
2019-02-12 14-54-02 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>I'm not in it to make a career
2019-02-22 10-57-19 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>I wasn't following the conversation so I can't say what is happening, and I don't know about Wiki permissions so I can't judge what is happening, but it may be a shitty person trying to stir trouble
2019-02-12 15-02-46 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>if that is something you really want why not start with paid development subproject seriously?
2018-11-27 11-45-49 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>ah good tip, look at buglist for 1.0
2019-02-12 15-07-19 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>thank you! have fun with kids!
2018-11-27 11-23-43 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>and GL is free to migrate issue by issue?
2018-11-27 11-38-31 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>which is awesome and I'd hate to lose his interest if we seem disorganized
2019-02-12 14-50-13 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>that is maybe key, how far can having my own business count as fundraising
2019-02-12 14-46-04 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>do you have any experience or tips for negotiating with them?
2018-11-27 11-33-48 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>good point
2019-02-12 15-02-02 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>heck yeah
2018-11-27 11-23-29 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>LP is archive only right?
2019-02-22 10-54-33 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>I don't know the status now, I think you need to find out what he wants, does he have access to the Wiki he wanted?
2019-02-12 14-57-41 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>what a turn of events
2019-02-12 14-54-46 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>I want to keep my company, I don't think I'd ever want to let that go
2019-02-12 14-49-40 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>yes sounds familiar :) preaching to the quire
2018-11-27 11-38-08 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>the latest one just straight up asked for a list of issues to work on
2018-11-27 11-25-25 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>but we need to let the interested parties know how to contribute
2018-11-27 11-41-29 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>not sure, he's a designer, it doesn't sound like it's in his skillset
2019-02-12 14-48-43 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>yes, thank you! good tip
2018-11-27 11-41-56 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>but I expect most of the UX itches are of the bottom up approach
2019-02-12 14-39-04 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>annual reports always useful lol
2018-11-27 11-20-54 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>there was a new guy on team_ux asking for design issues list and I didn't quite know where to send him
2019-02-22 10-56-07 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>he's playing some gif showing older conversations about this
2019-02-12 15-05-53 PSTMihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com>are they so restrictive that they stop us?
2019-02-12 14-48-56 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>emphasize what value you would bring to them, how your particular skillset would benefit the organization
2019-02-12 14-47-03 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>cover letter is key
2019-02-12 15-06-50 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>gotta go, kids just got home. Nice chatting, and good luck!
2018-11-27 11-24-16 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>yes
2018-11-27 11-11-00 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>hi
2018-11-27 11-43-26 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>yeah, maybe just have him follow along with what's currently getting worked on with git, file bug reports in LP, and sub the person working on the code currently
2018-11-27 11-19-49 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>what's up?
2018-11-27 11-44-08 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>or look at the bug list for the 1.0 release and see if there are any items worth providing design input on
2019-02-12 14-44-28 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>Creative Commons' financial report lists salaries of officers, and I'd imagine would be commensurate with what GNOME would be looking to offer
2018-11-27 11-32-57 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>I suppose there is a distinction to make between bottom up UX and top down UX
2018-12-26 15-13-43 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>hiya
2019-02-12 14-38-03 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>they don't list exact salaries for staff people, but the categories are small enough you can probably read between the lines to see what typical salaries are.
2018-11-27 11-23-42 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>not yet, but probably soon
2018-11-27 11-21-58 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>suppose that's a clue the UI is in serious need of revamping
2019-02-12 14-54-28 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>ok, well give it a shot, who knows
2018-11-27 11-48-03 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>that's where I'd look. Or just ask on chat
2018-11-27 11-27-29 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>probably a better approach would be to have several people interested in UX form a team and work on drafting a design document with mockups and such
2018-11-27 11-47-45 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commits/master
2019-02-12 14-32-58 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>ok give me a few minutes to research
2018-11-27 11-22-49 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>probably not wise to do anything serious here while we're stabilizing for 1.0, although as with everything just depends on having coders to do the work
2018-11-27 11-36-24 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>obviously there are also many in-between cases
2019-02-22 10-55-34 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>yeah we've been asking he hasn't said, just trying to push for increased rights. Seems odd.
2019-02-12 14-30-07 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>no, I would only be guessing
2018-11-27 11-35-33 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>many times when someone has approached me with interest in UX work, it's been the latter category
2018-12-26 15-14-16 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>since things seem to be proceeding with the django website, I am gathering you probably don't need devel-01.inkscape.org? Mind if I check it back in for others to use?
2019-02-12 15-05-53 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>and, with anyone working on anything in inkscape there is going to be some planning and review, like what we see for mentoring GSoC students.
2018-11-27 11-27-56 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>Tav would be a good resource on the code side. Ryan might be good to include from a design POV
2019-02-12 14-47-23 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>there are lots of articles written on how to make a good cover letter, so start there
2019-02-12 15-03-26 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>simple - management overhead
2018-11-27 11-33-48 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>bottom up is identifying specific usability issues, like a confusingly worded button label, or trouble locating a feature in a menu. Those are certainly appropriate to file bugs about, and for now these should go to LP.
2019-02-12 14-35-09 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>since it requires a BSc/BA in business administration I'm going to guess it's in the $50-80k range
2018-11-27 11-27-01 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>I wouldn't direct UX work to bug trackers though, it'll just get lost in the noise.
2019-02-12 14-56-06 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>you should also once and a while look at the job boards for the linux distros, esp. RedHat and Ubuntu; there are often remote positions available that need people with experience doing open source work, and might be something that hits closer to your bullseye
2019-02-12 14-58-20 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>some day I hope Inkscape has enough money raised to employ some of us
2019-02-12 14-49-39 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>for this role, reading between the lines, the main objective is bringing in money, so any proven experience you have with fundraising is going to be key
2018-11-27 11-24-29 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>although I don't think we've formally announced that we'll start doing that yet
2018-11-27 11-21-33 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>there's been several people interested in UX work lately
2019-02-15 16-21-58 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>btw, don't know if this is your area at all, but this just posted -- https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/feb/14/techie-bookkeeper/
2018-12-26 18-26-25 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>yeah I set up an area for him on alpha.inkscape.org for that
2019-02-12 15-06-17 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>and administrative stuff - accounts to set up, reports to read, infrastructure questions and fiddling, etc.
2018-11-27 11-38-41 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>we also have to be mindful that there are multiple philosophies for how UI's should be designed, just look at the distinction between KDE, Apple, Gnome, and Windows... There are going to be people who are adherents to one of these philosophies and will push UX ideas towards those ideas, whereas other folks will pull in other directions. Thus the important of seeking broad consensus.
2019-02-12 15-04-00 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>the mailman3 funded development effort has been a real eye opener as to just how much work is involved to get someone paid, and to adequately supervise their work
2019-02-12 14-56-20 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>salary ranges will be a bit higher with them than with a non-profit, too
2018-11-27 11-25-55 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>or wiki if they want to stay clear of bug tracker transition trouble
2018-11-27 11-25-38 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>just have them keep using LP for bugs for right now
2019-02-12 14-45-13 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>I seem to recall something on the order of $100-140k for a Director level position
2018-11-27 11-29-53 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>we've had various people interested in working on UX in the past. Building a consensus would be a big part.
2018-11-27 11-34-31 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>top down is a more comprehensive look at overall product, and ensuring the various elements of the UI flow nicely and provide a predictable, consistent experience for the user
2019-02-12 15-04-30 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>Conservancy has a bunch of rules, many of which are derived from federal requirements for non-profits in hiring contract workers
2018-12-26 18-26-07 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>thanks, will do
2019-02-12 14-48-16 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>my guess is that GNOME is going to consider involvement in the GNOME project a soft requirement. I don't know that Inkscape qualifies as "part" of GNOME, but regardless that's probably your strong angle
2018-11-27 11-39-51 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>ok, that's good. There's been no shortage of UX ideas presented. Is he wanting to code, by chance?
2019-02-12 14-37-16 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>yeah. They post their financial reports online here - https://www.gnome.org/foundation/reports/
2019-02-15 17-06-21 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>yeah suspected so
2018-11-27 11-35-02 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>top down needs more than really can be handled in a bug report, and needs to be planned out in a more systematic way
2019-02-22 10-53-50 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>yep, already commented a bit on the dev channel
2018-11-27 11-25-10 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>sorry, I have a lot going on in my life right now, I'm kind of not keeping up with inkscape things very well lately
2019-02-12 14-51-35 PSTBryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org>is fundraising something you're definitely interested in doing with your career?