2019-02-12 14-55-36 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | how does that impact you, all that I've said, it's good to have insight into how others may view it, I might be missing some angles |
2019-02-15 17-06-08 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | thank you for the link, but bookkeeping is not my passion |
2018-11-27 11-29-49 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | bug tracker seems such an obvious place for that |
2019-02-12 14-29-02 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | https://www.gnome.org/foundation/careers/development-coordinator/ |
2018-11-27 11-32-00 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | or with a little push here and there |
2018-11-27 11-41-33 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | to code |
2019-02-12 14-33-47 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | yay! |
2019-02-12 14-48-17 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | but I want to work remotely, and not super full time |
2018-11-27 11-26-54 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | are there some who don't want to? Maybe Tav? |
2018-12-26 16-09-34 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | if he already has an instance for the static forum copy then you can use devel-01 for something else |
2019-02-12 14-36-10 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | in contract that's before taxes right? |
2018-11-27 11-50-50 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | he did ask on chat, and the only person there didn't know what to say :p |
2018-11-27 11-23-18 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | what is the proper procedure then |
2019-02-12 14-50-16 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | lol |
2018-11-27 11-26-43 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | what's the best practice for contributing to UX? Should the original dev be involved? |
2018-11-27 11-20-20 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | :shrimp: |
2018-11-27 11-30-17 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | yes |
2018-11-27 11-46-11 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | but I may still be missing something about the procedure |
2018-11-27 11-31-47 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | ok then it will grow from there spontaneously |
2018-11-27 11-29-59 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | with nice design or UX tag on the issue |
2018-11-27 11-29-25 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | but how do devs who need UX review broadcast that? if they're not in the chat here it doesn't get noticed |
2018-11-27 11-22-10 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | hehe |
2019-02-12 14-50-49 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | it's not the same thing, different processes, but when zoomed out it's the same neighbourhood |
2018-11-27 11-28-05 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | I think there's some activity around that on the UX channel here |
2019-02-12 14-46-48 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | I'm itching to send my application, but I almost never searched for a job, and process with my clients is different |
2018-11-27 11-20-09 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | notin much just hangin bout |
2018-11-27 11-33-43 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | yes |
2018-12-26 16-08-59 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | it doesn't seem we'll get the forum data but Javier is leeching it anyway and we'll serve it as static |
2019-02-12 14-45-36 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | lovely |
2018-12-26 16-08-20 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | yes, of course |
2018-11-27 11-42-16 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | bits around the interface that bug you when you're using Inkscape |
2019-02-12 15-03-12 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | I've already built something that is more than enough to start, what are your showstopping issues? |
2019-02-12 14-28-52 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | do you have any ballpark idea on the approximate compensation for that GNOME job Development Coordinator? |
2019-02-12 14-54-26 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | I already have a career, that's the thing, how much of an obstacle is that to them |
2019-02-12 14-53-51 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | plus my psych profiles usually describe as motivator/networker/campaigner so those are almost built for fundraising jobs |
2018-11-27 11-24-58 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | no mans land |
2018-11-27 11-51-07 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | ok I'll put that on the list of good places to track |
2018-11-27 11-12-39 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | pretending to be online eh |
2018-11-27 11-46-53 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | where exactly do new people find out about the person working on a piece of code etc, and what's been happening on git ... |
2018-11-27 11-12-32 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | ohai |
2019-02-22 10-53-36 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | he mentioned contributing to the Mac side, is he in that channel? Why is it important to edit the wiki to contribute to Mac? |
2019-02-12 14-47-58 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | I don't expect that to be problem, I feel like I have loads of marketing and business experience |
2018-11-27 11-25-38 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | us both ;) |
2018-11-27 11-26-11 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | the guy is saw is familiar with GL |
2019-02-22 10-52-53 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | can you deal with capin? He seems abrasive but I don't know exactly what is happening and Maren seems done with him |
2019-02-12 14-53-10 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | that word doesn't hit the bullseye for me, not as a goal, but my end goal of working for open source, and raising funds to progress open source projects is soooo inspiring, so in that sense you can say that it is |
2019-02-12 14-30-15 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | pls guess |
2018-11-27 09-45-08 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | oy you there? |
2019-02-12 14-57-33 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | thanks! I will |
2019-02-12 14-54-02 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | I'm not in it to make a career |
2019-02-22 10-57-19 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | I wasn't following the conversation so I can't say what is happening, and I don't know about Wiki permissions so I can't judge what is happening, but it may be a shitty person trying to stir trouble |
2019-02-12 15-02-46 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | if that is something you really want why not start with paid development subproject seriously? |
2018-11-27 11-45-49 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | ah good tip, look at buglist for 1.0 |
2019-02-12 15-07-19 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | thank you! have fun with kids! |
2018-11-27 11-23-43 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | and GL is free to migrate issue by issue? |
2018-11-27 11-38-31 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | which is awesome and I'd hate to lose his interest if we seem disorganized |
2019-02-12 14-50-13 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | that is maybe key, how far can having my own business count as fundraising |
2019-02-12 14-46-04 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | do you have any experience or tips for negotiating with them? |
2018-11-27 11-33-48 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | good point |
2019-02-12 15-02-02 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | heck yeah |
2018-11-27 11-23-29 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | LP is archive only right? |
2019-02-22 10-54-33 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | I don't know the status now, I think you need to find out what he wants, does he have access to the Wiki he wanted? |
2019-02-12 14-57-41 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | what a turn of events |
2019-02-12 14-54-46 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | I want to keep my company, I don't think I'd ever want to let that go |
2019-02-12 14-49-40 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | yes sounds familiar :) preaching to the quire |
2018-11-27 11-38-08 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | the latest one just straight up asked for a list of issues to work on |
2018-11-27 11-25-25 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | but we need to let the interested parties know how to contribute |
2018-11-27 11-41-29 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | not sure, he's a designer, it doesn't sound like it's in his skillset |
2019-02-12 14-48-43 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | yes, thank you! good tip |
2018-11-27 11-41-56 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | but I expect most of the UX itches are of the bottom up approach |
2019-02-12 14-39-04 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | annual reports always useful lol |
2018-11-27 11-20-54 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | there was a new guy on team_ux asking for design issues list and I didn't quite know where to send him |
2019-02-22 10-56-07 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | he's playing some gif showing older conversations about this |
2019-02-12 15-05-53 PST | Mihaela <mihaela.jurkovic@gmail.com> | are they so restrictive that they stop us? |
2019-02-12 14-48-56 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | emphasize what value you would bring to them, how your particular skillset would benefit the organization |
2019-02-12 14-47-03 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | cover letter is key |
2019-02-12 15-06-50 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | gotta go, kids just got home. Nice chatting, and good luck! |
2018-11-27 11-24-16 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yes |
2018-11-27 11-11-00 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | hi |
2018-11-27 11-43-26 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yeah, maybe just have him follow along with what's currently getting worked on with git, file bug reports in LP, and sub the person working on the code currently |
2018-11-27 11-19-49 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | what's up? |
2018-11-27 11-44-08 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | or look at the bug list for the 1.0 release and see if there are any items worth providing design input on |
2019-02-12 14-44-28 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | Creative Commons' financial report lists salaries of officers, and I'd imagine would be commensurate with what GNOME would be looking to offer |
2018-11-27 11-32-57 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I suppose there is a distinction to make between bottom up UX and top down UX |
2018-12-26 15-13-43 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | hiya |
2019-02-12 14-38-03 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | they don't list exact salaries for staff people, but the categories are small enough you can probably read between the lines to see what typical salaries are. |
2018-11-27 11-23-42 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | not yet, but probably soon |
2018-11-27 11-21-58 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | suppose that's a clue the UI is in serious need of revamping |
2019-02-12 14-54-28 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | ok, well give it a shot, who knows |
2018-11-27 11-48-03 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | that's where I'd look. Or just ask on chat |
2018-11-27 11-27-29 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | probably a better approach would be to have several people interested in UX form a team and work on drafting a design document with mockups and such |
2018-11-27 11-47-45 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commits/master |
2019-02-12 14-32-58 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | ok give me a few minutes to research |
2018-11-27 11-22-49 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | probably not wise to do anything serious here while we're stabilizing for 1.0, although as with everything just depends on having coders to do the work |
2018-11-27 11-36-24 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | obviously there are also many in-between cases |
2019-02-22 10-55-34 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yeah we've been asking he hasn't said, just trying to push for increased rights. Seems odd. |
2019-02-12 14-30-07 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | no, I would only be guessing |
2018-11-27 11-35-33 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | many times when someone has approached me with interest in UX work, it's been the latter category |
2018-12-26 15-14-16 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | since things seem to be proceeding with the django website, I am gathering you probably don't need devel-01.inkscape.org? Mind if I check it back in for others to use? |
2019-02-12 15-05-53 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | and, with anyone working on anything in inkscape there is going to be some planning and review, like what we see for mentoring GSoC students. |
2018-11-27 11-27-56 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | Tav would be a good resource on the code side. Ryan might be good to include from a design POV |
2019-02-12 14-47-23 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | there are lots of articles written on how to make a good cover letter, so start there |
2019-02-12 15-03-26 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | simple - management overhead |
2018-11-27 11-33-48 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | bottom up is identifying specific usability issues, like a confusingly worded button label, or trouble locating a feature in a menu. Those are certainly appropriate to file bugs about, and for now these should go to LP. |
2019-02-12 14-35-09 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | since it requires a BSc/BA in business administration I'm going to guess it's in the $50-80k range |
2018-11-27 11-27-01 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I wouldn't direct UX work to bug trackers though, it'll just get lost in the noise. |
2019-02-12 14-56-06 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | you should also once and a while look at the job boards for the linux distros, esp. RedHat and Ubuntu; there are often remote positions available that need people with experience doing open source work, and might be something that hits closer to your bullseye |
2019-02-12 14-58-20 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | some day I hope Inkscape has enough money raised to employ some of us |
2019-02-12 14-49-39 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | for this role, reading between the lines, the main objective is bringing in money, so any proven experience you have with fundraising is going to be key |
2018-11-27 11-24-29 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | although I don't think we've formally announced that we'll start doing that yet |
2018-11-27 11-21-33 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | there's been several people interested in UX work lately |
2019-02-15 16-21-58 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | btw, don't know if this is your area at all, but this just posted -- https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/feb/14/techie-bookkeeper/ |
2018-12-26 18-26-25 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yeah I set up an area for him on alpha.inkscape.org for that |
2019-02-12 15-06-17 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | and administrative stuff - accounts to set up, reports to read, infrastructure questions and fiddling, etc. |
2018-11-27 11-38-41 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | we also have to be mindful that there are multiple philosophies for how UI's should be designed, just look at the distinction between KDE, Apple, Gnome, and Windows... There are going to be people who are adherents to one of these philosophies and will push UX ideas towards those ideas, whereas other folks will pull in other directions. Thus the important of seeking broad consensus. |
2019-02-12 15-04-00 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | the mailman3 funded development effort has been a real eye opener as to just how much work is involved to get someone paid, and to adequately supervise their work |
2019-02-12 14-56-20 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | salary ranges will be a bit higher with them than with a non-profit, too |
2018-11-27 11-25-55 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | or wiki if they want to stay clear of bug tracker transition trouble |
2018-11-27 11-25-38 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | just have them keep using LP for bugs for right now |
2019-02-12 14-45-13 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I seem to recall something on the order of $100-140k for a Director level position |
2018-11-27 11-29-53 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | we've had various people interested in working on UX in the past. Building a consensus would be a big part. |
2018-11-27 11-34-31 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | top down is a more comprehensive look at overall product, and ensuring the various elements of the UI flow nicely and provide a predictable, consistent experience for the user |
2019-02-12 15-04-30 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | Conservancy has a bunch of rules, many of which are derived from federal requirements for non-profits in hiring contract workers |
2018-12-26 18-26-07 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | thanks, will do |
2019-02-12 14-48-16 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | my guess is that GNOME is going to consider involvement in the GNOME project a soft requirement. I don't know that Inkscape qualifies as "part" of GNOME, but regardless that's probably your strong angle |
2018-11-27 11-39-51 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | ok, that's good. There's been no shortage of UX ideas presented. Is he wanting to code, by chance? |
2019-02-12 14-37-16 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yeah. They post their financial reports online here - https://www.gnome.org/foundation/reports/ |
2019-02-15 17-06-21 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yeah suspected so |
2018-11-27 11-35-02 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | top down needs more than really can be handled in a bug report, and needs to be planned out in a more systematic way |
2019-02-22 10-53-50 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yep, already commented a bit on the dev channel |
2018-11-27 11-25-10 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | sorry, I have a lot going on in my life right now, I'm kind of not keeping up with inkscape things very well lately |
2019-02-12 14-51-35 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | is fundraising something you're definitely interested in doing with your career? |