2020-11-18 01-28-33 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Would an email to the list asking directly for help be useful? (You've hinted at it but it might be useful to be more explicit.) |
2019-02-11 12-55-04 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Which things? I'm making lots of progress figuring out how to integrate Gio::Actions into Inkscape. |
2019-09-13 09-21-28 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | What's the event? |
2020-11-18 00-53-00 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | One could ask Mc. |
2020-11-18 00-49-59 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | BTW, Cairo desparately needs a release! |
2019-07-02 08-59-34 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Good ideas! Thanks for the info, I've got to take my girls to the dentist in a few minutes... |
2019-09-13 09-19-10 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | We should let Mc know too. |
2019-02-11 13-01-23 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | The more I work with Inkscape's code the messier I find it. Classes aren't clearly defined as to what they are suppose to do. Lots of unnecessary base classes (with only one derived class). Etc. |
2020-11-18 01-29-18 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Mathias's email was pretty strong. |
2019-09-18 05-47-30 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | I assume we're still on for tonight. Do you have a phone number I can text you if necessary? I'll leave home around 5:30 after my wife gets back from work. My number is +33 7 67 75 19 60 |
2019-07-02 08-33-36 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Interesting. In your honest opinion, would I have much of a chance? (You can assume my Inkscape contributions are the main things I'vd done computer wise the past dozen years.) |
2020-11-18 00-53-29 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Excellent! |
2019-09-15 12-37-28 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Hi, Do you have a better idea of your schedule? I've Okayed Wednesday with my wife. I can either meet you in Paris at around 7PM (I can't leave before my wife gets home from work to watch our youngest) or you coud come out here anytime Wednesday afternoon/evening. |
2019-09-13 09-11-07 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | I'll need to check with my wife, but I can probably come into Paris for dinner Wednesday or you might be able to come out here. It's about an hour train ride from the center of Paris with trains every 15 minutes. I was just going to ask where you'll be staying. |
2019-07-02 08-22-22 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | It's in the link. |
2019-09-16 01-31-08 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | I'll let Mc know. |
2019-02-11 12-52-57 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Thanks |
2020-11-18 01-21-00 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | The FreeDesktop git page list four owner: you, Carl Worth, Keith Packard, and Uil Schlachter. I think only Uli is actually actively still contributing. (last commits: Carl 2010, Keith 2011). |
2019-07-14 05-28-01 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Hi, I've got the OSBAR (Open Source Business Award) trophy. I was told it should be sent to you. I just want to confirm that before I pack it. (I will mail it to you when I'm in the US). |
2019-02-11 13-02-00 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Got an SVG Working Group meeting starting now. |
2019-07-02 08-40-10 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Ah, no problem. |
2020-11-18 01-03-27 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Who "owns" these libraries? I get a feeling that some of the reluctance to maintain things is a fear of treading on somebodies toes... |
2019-07-10 02-11-21 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | (It's in Munich this year.) |
2019-02-11 12-45-27 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | What is SFC IRC channel. I haven't heard back from them (emailed them last Wednesday at approvals@tex.sfconservancy.org). |
2019-07-02 08-51-58 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | How could you see other interviewees taking the test with you? |
2019-09-16 04-45-45 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Mc is fine to meeting at your hotel at 7pm. |
2019-07-02 08-55-15 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | That does seem strange. |
2020-11-18 01-26-00 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Seems unlikely Carl would be interested after a 10 year gap. |
2020-11-18 00-56-56 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Yeah, he could be more communicative. But it would allow Inkscape to have a greater influence it its direction. |
2019-02-11 13-00-32 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | I really like the GitHub bug tracker. I haven't been paying too much attention to the bug moving stuff. Mostly, responding to bugs that are pointed my way. |
2019-07-02 08-29-32 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | What is the hiring procedure, on-line test followed by video interview? |
2020-11-18 01-22-33 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | This is the email that we used for KK during GSoC: |
2019-09-13 04-15-16 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Hi, what's your schedule going to be like while in Paris? |
2020-11-18 01-31-08 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | BTW, isn't the font rendering in Cairo considered a "Toy API" so would it be worth removing it from testing? It seems to cause a lot of grief. |
2018-12-06 10-56-44 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Sorry to hear about your mother. I'm sure that is a great loss for you and your family. |
2019-07-10 08-07-48 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | OK. Only three people are eligible, you, Josh, and me (admin + mentor with student). Josh already said he couln't go. Mc is signed up as a mentor but without a student. So, I'll register to go. |
2019-07-10 02-11-01 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Do you want to attend the GSoC mentor's summit? (Your listed as an admin so you are eligable.) |
2019-07-02 03-46-55 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Hi Bryce, Ted pointed out a Canonical job he thought I might be interested in and said I should go through you if I decide to apply for it as you'll get a referal bonus (https://boards.greenhouse.io/canonical/jobs/1626364). It does look interesting, especially as it is a work from home position and now that my girls are older, I don't need to spend as much time watching them. As I've never worked for a software company, I have no clue as to how well I would fit in. |
2019-06-06 14-46-17 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Board meeting tomorrow? |
2019-07-02 08-25-50 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Ah, that's something I don't have.... I've been mostly using Red Hat/Fedora for 20+ years |
2019-09-13 09-13-15 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Add about 20 minutes as your near the edge of Paris. |
2019-07-02 08-28-05 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | They didn't offer you the job? |
2019-09-13 09-24-15 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Mc says he's available Wednesday. |
2020-11-18 00-49-36 PST | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | He attended several GSoC meetings. |
2019-09-18 08-23-02 PDT | Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@free.fr> | Out the door, see you in about 90 some minutes.... |
2020-11-18 01-05-56 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | pixman is (in theory?) unmaintained, so in theory just needs a strong maintainer. |
2019-09-13 09-35-13 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | the event is Canonical's bi-annual Engineering Sprint |
2019-07-02 08-53-30 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | they had us all come to a google hangout together, where they explained the test process, the travel requirements, etc. then gave the link to the test, and we stayed online while taking it. You could do it anonymously, and didn't have to have your camera on, but a lot of people just did it with their own names and had the camera on. Of course I then looked up the other applicants on linked in... |
2020-11-18 01-13-11 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | Cairo is a bit different. It mostly just needs someone with spare time. |
2019-07-02 08-30-51 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | each team is different though. The server team was an offline test, more of an open book set of challenge problems, they gave a week to do it but I was able to complete it in an afternoon |
2019-07-02 08-18-10 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | sure, happy to assist. what's the job? |
2019-09-16 01-22-57 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | did you invite Mc? |
2019-02-11 12-56-53 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I noticed some of the work you've been doing there. Been starting to poke at code a bit more. |
2019-09-18 05-54-49 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | best chance to reach me on my mobile is probably via email - bryceharrington@yahoo.com |
2019-07-02 08-59-47 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | good luck! let me know if there's more I can do to help |
2020-11-18 01-25-03 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I've been thinking of CCing Carl to re-take ownership of the project. But Uli is the natural "obvious" maintainer since he's done all the actual recent maintenance work; he seems unwilling to take it over, though, unfortunately. |
2019-02-11 12-53-18 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | how are things going btw? |
2020-11-18 00-53-55 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I don't want to put too much on Mc. |
2019-07-02 08-53-41 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | weird interview |
2020-11-18 01-49-00 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | you may be right that being more explicit would help. I'm not sure on that count - I'd appreciate your advice. |
2019-09-13 09-18-00 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | they haven't published the full schedule yet, but from what I've heard it'll be pretty packed days |
2018-12-06 12-43-57 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | thanks |
2019-07-14 13-33-11 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | sure, 14094 SW Tewkesbury Dr, Tigard, OR 97224 |
2019-02-11 13-02-14 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | good. I spent time yesterday clearing things in inkscape/inkscape/issues down, fixed a few, closed a few, bumped a few back to Inbox that need more definition. 36 bugs there now, which seems a lot more approachable than 5000. |
2019-02-11 12-58-14 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | mainly though wondering since we've been introducing a lot of changes lately, how you're feeling about e.g. bug tracker, etc. |
2019-07-02 08-57-57 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | a common way a lot of people get hired on (and how I got hired on originally) was to get involved in the given team's packaging efforts as a community contributor. That was how I got on as X maintainer, I was helping with X bugs and packaging for some months prior |
2019-09-13 09-09-42 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I believe I'm at the Hyatt Regency Paris Etoile, 3, Place Du Général Koenig 75017 Paris, but I should doublecheck |
2019-02-11 13-03-32 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | hopefully we can chat more about class organization at the scale hackfest. I also noticed going through the DialogManager code that it's accumulated quite a few accessory classes. |
2020-11-18 01-01-55 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I had encouraged Mc to take over pixman maintenance to help in these regards. |
2020-11-18 00-49-07 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | hi tav, had you had any recent contact with kk? I emailed him recently but no response |
2018-12-05 20-20-09 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | Thanks for the reminder about the meeting announcement, I've sent it. |
2019-07-10 08-00-35 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | no, probably better for more active gsoc people to go, I was just assisting on a few admin things |
2019-09-13 09-08-15 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | heya Tav, looks like there's nothing planned for Wed and Thurs evenings |
2018-12-05 20-21-17 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | my mom passed away this morning, and has been on hospice the past few weeks, and I've not been very attentive with Inkscape lately |
2019-07-02 08-48-53 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | sorry, done. from what I saw of the other interviewees taking the test with me, it seems quite competitive, with people that were either previously employed doing packaging at canonical or who have been heavily active in debian as packagers |
2019-09-13 09-34-47 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | great would be nice to finally meet him |
2020-11-18 01-07-31 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | in practice, though, it needs someone who can push it forward developmentally and deal with lots of pushback for resulting regressions |
2020-11-18 01-26-27 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | as crappy I am as a maintainer, I suspect i'm still a better choice than any of them |
2020-11-18 01-33-49 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | willingness is a big part of the equation but it's only one part. |
2019-06-06 16-07-43 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yes, did you get the announcement? |
2020-11-18 01-53-41 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | regarding the 'toy api' font rendering, you're completely right that it simply causes a lot of grief. The issue though, is that it wasn't taken into account properly during the testsuite's development. |
2020-11-18 00-53-14 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | but I can do at least one more release. |
2020-11-18 01-04-52 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | heh, I need a stiffer drink. |
2020-11-18 00-52-27 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I should probably retire as cairo maintainer and hand it over to someone else, but so far not clear who to hand it off to |
2019-07-02 08-54-01 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | also was held at 3am my time so that was fun |
2019-07-02 08-29-40 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yep |
2019-09-13 09-35-50 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | since everyone in engineering works remotely, it's a time to get together for F2F meetings, trainings, and work |
2019-02-11 12-46-34 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | they seem to be *very* behind atm |
2019-09-18 08-39-39 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | ok |
2020-11-18 00-55-55 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | he seems to have the time for the technicals but tbh he isn't as good at documenting the efforts, at least for the infrastructural stuff |
2019-07-02 08-56-19 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | sorry, I didn't write down the other interviewee names, but if you look up any of the current desktop team members you can see what their backgrounds are |
2019-07-02 08-39-30 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | (sorry, in meeting) |
2019-09-16 04-43-51 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | great thanks |
2019-09-18 05-54-59 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I'm also on telegram if you're on that |
2020-11-18 00-50-55 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yeah I know... see my replies to the cairo ML from today |
2019-07-02 08-24-59 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I suspect snap packaging experience is a particular thing they're looking for, so if you have it highlight it |
2019-07-02 08-26-47 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I took the online test for that position earlier this year |
2019-09-18 05-53-11 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yep, looking forward to it. I don't have cell service here in France, but my number is +1 5044840647 |
2019-07-02 08-27-04 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | Was an online multiple-choice quiz, with 20 min given to do it, but could be completed in 5-10 min. Questions are like:
* What file systems support snapshots
* Which of these are packaging systems
* Which of these are ways to get administrative rights
* Which of these are parts of the OSI level 7 model
* Which of these are ways to copy a file
* Which of these are ways to show the GNOME display
* In which of these languages does tabbing affect program correctness |
2019-07-02 08-50-00 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | however, the desktop team has had a position listed on their website for a long time (I remember first seeing it early last year) so maybe they're looking for some super specific skills (beyond just packaging) |
2020-11-18 01-01-15 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | honestly I'm not sure on that. One of the reasons I took on maintainership for Cairo was in hopes I could influence its direction for inkscape's benefit. And indeed I think I did do one or two changes to benefit Inkscape, however in general it ended up mostly being a ton of work irregardless of Inkscape's actual needs. |
2019-07-02 08-54-38 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | only the desktop team did it that way. I don't know if they're still doing testing that way or not. The other two teams I applied for had written tests like I mentioned. |
2019-02-11 12-46-03 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | #conservancy on FreeNode |
2019-09-16 05-21-12 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | great, will see you guys then |
2019-09-13 09-16-46 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yes, confirmed that's the hotel we're at. |
2019-09-16 01-22-45 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | heya, yes if you can meet me in Paris around 7pm that'd work great. I can meet you in the hotel lobby at that time and find a place from here. |
2019-09-13 09-18-31 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | would be great to get together for dinner wednesday, I'll pencil it in :-) |
2019-07-02 08-23-58 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | ah cool. let me know how I can help |
2019-07-02 08-28-53 PDT | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | yeah I never got asked to interview, no idea why |
2019-02-11 13-03-38 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | good luck with the meeting |
2020-11-18 00-51-22 PST | Bryce Harrington <bryce@bryceharrington.org> | I'll have a chunk of time over U.S.A. Thanksgiving holiday and will try to tackle it then |