2020-02-25 14-30-47 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I'd continue it. You have good data, and it can be used by devs and others.
2020-01-14 12-40-47 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Thanks!
2020-02-20 16-13-12 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>But I owe you some favours from this flowering of debate for sure.
2020-02-04 15-42-40 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Yeah, I blocked Patrick too. It's a personal thing for private messages.
2020-02-20 16-42-43 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I'm British (whatever that means now), but I live in Boston.
2020-02-04 15-44-40 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>People are people and need their space. I know I do. When my daughter screams a lot, I wear ear defenders.
2020-02-25 14-31-19 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>But I understand. Either way. Also there's no friction with me, I hope, just debate.
2020-02-20 16-19-25 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>A table for contributors would be super cool. I would back that.
2020-02-04 15-31-06 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>You will find it ironic and maybe frustrating to know the reason.
2020-02-20 15-56-59 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I'm about to put an actual code change to a merge request. It edits the same or similar things, it's a good oppotunity for developers to have a say over it.
2020-02-20 16-41-05 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Where are you in the world?
2020-02-25 12-02-00 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>You can put it in the regular wiki
2020-12-06 02-28-37 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Understood. How are you and is everything going well?
2020-02-20 16-23-56 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>It's bike shedding
2020-02-20 16-26-42 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Anything you bring to the community that looks like anyone could have an opinion on, will get drawn out into a long debate about specifics.
2020-02-04 14-23-10 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Are you here?
2020-02-20 16-11-41 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Retort: I say comparing Inkscape to other vector programs is unhealthy, it limits our creativity, takes our eye off the user's actual experience and needs and does little for our confidence as an independent project.
2020-02-04 15-33-40 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>From what I understand, she's not harmed by the exchange.
2020-02-04 15-35-03 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I should point out that I've been in a bust up with Patrick (three times now). Mostly over wordings and trustings and the way people expect things to happen versus how they do.
2020-02-04 15-31-37 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>BUT
2020-02-20 16-20-10 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I would back a comprehensive comparison which contributors can use to understand Inkscape's strengths and weaknesses.
2020-02-04 15-24-19 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>So there's a specific context. She's still very mad at you. This may come across if she ever comments after you.
2020-01-14 03-48-44 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>You can email me directly at doctormo@gmail.com
2020-02-04 15-31-19 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Which is she is mad that you deleted the conversation.
2020-02-04 15-43-10 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Although that was after we tried to sort things out in private and it went /baddly/
2020-02-04 15-26-51 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I wanted to make sure you understood this context.
2020-02-04 15-39-10 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Wiki's are for incomplete and draft information. I mean, mark it as such, but wow, being told not to contribute because it wasn't finished.
2020-02-20 16-29-19 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I wish to be honest for a second. If you will permit me a minute of reflection?
2020-02-04 15-45-25 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Yes
2020-02-20 16-09-40 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>You were right to point it out
2020-02-20 16-36-33 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Both yourself (and brynn) have this way of talking about your interesting and exciting ideas which doesn't interact with criticism. When I (I can only talk about myself) offer a piece of information, the information is treated as an enemy of the exciting idea. Thus the information must be destroyed or ignored. Leading to endless cycling as I would then have to repeat myself the same information over and over again. The problem isn't that the information has to be accepted, or treasured. But swift acknowledgement and integration into the exciting idea or modulation reinforces that we're collaborating on the idea and I'm not fighting you to the death to have it all my way or all your way.
2020-02-20 17-00-07 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>User experences/expectations.
2020-02-04 15-15-14 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Oh good. Was the issue you had between him and you?
2020-02-04 15-35-51 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Nah man, I'm poking my nose in, you're both being kindly to my intervention.
2020-02-04 15-41-05 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>The place to bring up where you'd like to take this is here and now. Meetings and such aren't much good for recriminations. Just dry policy and neutral objectively driven ideas.
2020-02-20 16-09-11 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/merge_requests/1465/diffs
2020-02-04 15-48-16 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Thanks for contributing to Inkscape and baring with us.
2020-02-04 15-41-55 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I mean you know, in private, when concerning a specific other person.
2020-02-20 16-40-40 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>No one is that important to the project. And I am genuinely sorry for being incapable of communicating the ideas that I want to effectively. My voice is but one.
2020-02-20 16-18-54 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>So a cool table for contributors?
2020-02-20 16-14-10 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I may wrong you personally by hitting out at your ideas. I mean to encourage you, while exercising your ideas to improve their fittness.
2020-02-04 15-30-50 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I understand. This kind of thing is why mediation exists. So emotions don't fester.
2020-02-20 16-28-42 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>It's social dynamics.
2020-02-20 16-12-42 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Aye, guilty as charged.
2020-02-04 15-20-25 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I wanted to make sure you had context between you and Moini.
2020-02-04 15-48-04 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>:-)
2020-02-04 15-41-41 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Well I don't mean HERE and NOW.
2020-02-04 15-32-20 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>So you perhaps weren't to know
2020-02-04 15-42-52 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>When emotions get too high
2020-02-20 16-09-32 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Sorry if I changed that page arrogantly.
2020-02-04 15-43-23 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>He's not blocked now ;-)
2020-02-24 23-02-10 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Culture, as you said. Hopefully we can all maintain enough relationships that if someone and someone else aren't getting on, there's a chance they both have a friend that can sort it out.
2020-02-04 15-43-42 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>But that's why mediation exists. As soon as I found out she's blocked you, I knew that this process had to start.
2020-02-20 15-56-00 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>It's tacky
2020-02-20 15-53-58 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Sure
2020-02-20 16-42-07 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Maybe at a SCaLEx in the US, or if you visit the east coast one day.
2020-02-04 15-45-36 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Although we don't talk about England any more ;-)
2020-02-04 15-17-38 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Ah, see I think I've just had a conversation with the third person.
2020-02-04 15-48-23 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Any issues, let me know.
2020-02-04 15-40-19 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Anyway. I'm currently minding my space with Patrick and he's being cautious around me. You may find Moini will keep her space, if you wish to do the same.
2020-02-20 16-28-22 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>It's not a strategy.
2020-02-20 16-22-20 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>That's fair, draft away where ever you have permissions to do so safely.
2020-02-04 15-38-43 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>ugh, thats doubly frustrating because it's wrong.
2020-02-20 16-10-38 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Although I still fully support the community based good/bad/ugly table. Which would be unique, creative and honest.
2020-02-04 15-35-12 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Chris was the mediator in that situation.
2020-02-20 16-36-55 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>This might just be me interacting baddly with your style of rhetoric.
2020-02-25 12-02-20 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Because the wiki (all of it) is not considered a public facing communication. It's more internal.
2020-12-10 07-49-32 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Getting by. Of course the world seems to have gone a bit mad. But that's the kind fo the thing the world seems to do.
2020-02-04 15-32-08 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>She also says that this is probably understandable given that Patrick set a bad example by deleting his own folly
2020-02-20 16-24-16 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/Parkinsons-law-of-triviality-bikeshedding
2020-02-20 16-15-37 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>The specific thing about mentioning other programs is /old/ and needed revisiting. It's something that we just didn't need to change because there's plenty more to be getting on with. And that's probably you're biggest argument (which I would have no defence against): Just let me get on with the docs project and you mind yours, we know what we're doing.
2020-02-04 15-44-16 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Don't take it personally.
2020-02-20 17-01-02 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>If you want to set up a hackfest in Canada, I think there would be interest. It's just harder for your end of the world as few Europeans would trek all the way there. So it'd be limited to USians, and we are fewer now than we used to be.
2020-02-04 15-45-04 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Obrigado?
2020-01-22 23-06-54 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Great news.
2020-02-20 15-57-55 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>If they reject the change, I'll put back the About page text as it was.
2020-02-20 16-27-07 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Such is community.
2020-02-20 16-16-55 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>You can see we have mentioned AI and Corel MANY times, not just once on the about screen. So a change like this is me putting my neck on the line, I'm liable to get burned.
2020-02-20 16-20-51 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>But you're drafting it on the website instead of the wiki. So it looks like you're writing it for users instead.
2020-02-04 10-11-44 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Always. As I said. I take community serious.
2020-02-04 15-20-10 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> It's no waste
2020-02-20 16-21-52 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>[ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/doctormo?msg=6oCuMMRGDoXnPrbj7) Brynn was brave enough to encourage me to write in a place where it would be read and consumed. ()
2020-02-04 15-19-15 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>We are all digital neighbours here. I will do my best to not disturb the public peace here and at the same time try to offer value to the project. :slight_smile:
2020-02-20 16-41-14 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Right now I am in Vancouver, Canada.
2020-02-04 15-45-14 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>wow! nice! thanks!!!
2020-02-20 16-24-12 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>let me google that. 1 sec.
2020-02-04 15-43-59 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>That's funny.
2020-02-20 16-30-55 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Try not to break my heart or offend me, please.
2020-12-05 17-18-27 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Hello hello dear friend! How are you doing lately? I realized I am not actively tweeting in the account I ended up creating for the Inkscape Brazil account so I would like to hand you over all of the access to it in case any other Brazilian fan shows up in this chat. Let me know if you are interested ok?
2020-02-20 16-19-41 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>[ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/direct/doctormo?msg=bCi7PJsbri7QihYFj) What do you mean by that? ()
2020-02-04 15-47-00 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>It must be extremely stressful to be part of the EU block. Imagine if we are having problems here with our open source project... this could the 5.000x worse running policies and laws from multiple different countries.
2020-02-25 00-33-12 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Patience, empathy, and respect. This is the answer.
2020-02-04 15-32-55 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I agree with this 100%. No. 500%.
2020-02-20 16-22-39 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>The table can be changed by anyone if there are wrong/inconsistent things in it... but it needs to be in a place where it can be consumed.
2020-02-20 16-16-52 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I think this table could be soo cool and soo nice nd people could even visit our page more because of it.
2020-02-04 15-42-51 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>really? wow. I had no idea.
2020-02-04 15-27-28 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I am mad at her. She has NO RIGHT to be mad at me. At all. This is absurd.
2020-02-20 15-55-43 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I am really trying to understand this. For real. I still was not able to understand the reasons not to go this direction.
2020-02-20 16-13-30 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>what do you mean by that?
2020-02-20 16-26-13 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>It would be done only once and updated very few times along the years. It has value.
2020-02-04 15-47-37 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Anyway... I don't want to take much of your time. Obrigado (for your time, ears, and wise advices).
2020-02-20 16-23-50 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Dear lord.
2020-02-20 16-19-27 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>It would be the MOST transparent table ever. It would be all there. With references to all other progrsams manuals and documentations
2020-02-04 15-36-59 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Maybe I can try to bring this up in feb or mach in the entire project meeting? I can try to discuss this with brynn and c.rogers and maybe other people.
2020-02-20 15-56-23 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Canadians are tacky. They love it! lol
2020-02-20 15-56-11 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>That's it?
2020-02-20 16-20-26 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>This is the point all along!
2020-02-04 15-41-28 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Thank you for letting me know.
2020-02-20 16-29-15 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Infinite threads of discussions...
2020-02-20 16-40-51 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I wish I can meet you all one day in a conference or hackfest.
2020-02-20 16-42-51 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I plan to visit them by the end of this year.
2020-02-20 16-21-22 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>We would not lose users/contributors... I would even dare to say we would get more users when they realize some specific feature they are looking for already exists in our application!
2020-02-04 15-18-08 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>So that's fine. It is comprehensible.
2020-02-04 15-18-32 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Sometimes it is just that I get the feeling that there could be a way to be direct, objective and not be rude, and not offend people.
2020-02-04 15-29-20 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I am open for dialog at all times. If there is any time this is needed. But there is like a secret pleasure in putting people down.
2020-02-24 22-59-27 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Hey Mr. I would like to thank you for not shaming me in public like other people did in the past.
2020-02-04 15-30-05 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>She knew more than I did. I was doing things that could be corrected... but the tone of voice and the self-proclaimed authority kind of made her lose the reason and the point.
2020-02-20 16-23-42 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>the resistance I got from all of you to just put together table of requirements
2020-02-04 15-45-17 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>that;'s correct!
2020-02-04 15-34-49 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Since you seem to be a more neutral person in the entire project and seems to have access to her kindly mention that people would not listen to her, despite her great wealth of knowledge, and comprehension on our application, if she is rude/aggressive or just assume things without asking.
2020-01-13 23-30-23 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Hi Doctormo. I just got an email from twitter. Is there any personal email I can send you with their response? I mentioned that I would like to use Inkcape Brasil account and they replied. I just don't know how to proceed. Let me know your thoughts on this one, if any. Thanks!
2020-02-04 15-48-32 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>You guys are amazing. You guys are worth ALL the effort. Always.
2020-02-20 16-41-24 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Provice of British Columbia
2020-02-20 16-42-41 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I have 2 sisters living in Europe. 1 in Poland. 1 in Spain.
2020-02-04 15-46-08 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I hope everything works out for the best for everyone to be honest.
2020-02-04 15-17-50 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>We all dedicate time and energy to this project. Sometimes I just feel we could have bigger empathy for people in general. Being technically knowledgeable in Inkscape application shouldn't be an excuse to treat people badly but that's ok. I guess the entire project is stressed out due to the amount of work everyone has to do and probably due to the proximity of the 1.0 release.
2020-01-22 20-50-27 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Hey, doctormo. Just to give you an explanation on the topic of the Twitter account @inkcapeBrasil
2020-02-25 00-33-26 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Thank you for being civilized at all times.
2020-02-20 16-28-49 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Discussions are good. They are healthy. But man... somethings are endlessly discussed.
2020-02-04 15-43-31 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>For real.
2020-02-20 16-39-48 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I want to add value to the project. And to everyone. I am open to criticism and to modifying my way of thinking. We all are. We should be, right? We are all constantly changing.
2020-02-04 15-43-57 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>AHAHHAHAHA. She blocked me?
2020-02-04 15-38-06 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>THere was a time I put a simple table of requirements in the Inkscape wiki and Patrick ran to tell me that we didn't put on the wiki incomplete stuff. I was very frustrated but I deleted the article I put up in there. I don't want to have fights with everyone on this project. Quite the opposite. I want to have good transit with everyone and help things move forward.
2020-02-20 16-41-40 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Just above California, in US. near Seattle.
2020-02-20 16-22-58 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Poor Brynn. I hope she is not sad as I am or burned in this whole discussion.
2020-02-04 15-31-17 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I am all ears.
2020-12-10 07-11-01 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>All is well my friend. Given the fact that we are surviving a silent 3rd world war in apocalyptic times... I'm good. Are you good as well? How are things in your house/family?
2020-02-25 10-49-51 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Is my personal profile inside of the Inkscape wiki a good place? Or would it be considered immoral?
2020-02-04 15-20-04 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Apologies for making you waste your time with this.
2020-02-20 16-20-21 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Yes my friend!
2020-02-20 16-43-56 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>But lets say we do the table and convert it to THINGS INKSCAPE IS GOOD, OK, AND BAD.
2020-02-04 15-43-29 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I am sorry to hear this my friend.
2020-02-25 13-35-50 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Ok. Thanks. I really want to avoid more friction with you and everyone else. I don't want to cause any trouble or disagreements. I will see with Brynn if we can continue this or if we will kill it.
2020-02-20 16-38-52 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Thank you for putting this out to me doctormo. I know you are very skilled and very important to the project. I will meditate on your words for some time today (and maybe tomorrow). Sorry if I make yourself repeat to me multiple times. This is bad. This is not ideal. I will take it with an open heart.
2020-02-04 15-45-57 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Oh yeah... sadly you guys want out of the EU.
2020-02-20 16-15-38 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>It is just like... I mentioned that our house should have windows in other rooms because we have 10 rooms and only 1 of them have a window. ANd instead of installing 9 other windows at 9 ither different rooms in a house we go on and tear the only window we have at the house.
2020-02-20 16-20-42 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Compare what we do well and what we don;'t do well. ANd maybe other programs do it better.
2020-02-04 15-22-56 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>She is very knowledgeable about our application. And she helps us a LOT. We are all grateful to have her around. No question about that. It is just that sometimes there could be more tact in how you talk to people. That's all. Maybe I am living in Canada too long now (4 years) and this got to me somehow. Idk.
2020-02-20 16-18-17 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>we could have this super cool table with real info. Like an extensive table (it could start small and simple) and then grow to be reasonably detailed.
2020-02-20 16-47-35 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>The idea is not to mention any other applications, right? So what are we comparing inkscape with?
2020-02-20 16-24-05 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>?
2020-02-04 15-35-53 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>You do so much work for Inkscape. I see you are almost like 24/7 online fixing things, mentoring people, asking questions... we really, deeply appreciate what you do.
2020-02-20 16-16-06 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>meh
2020-01-22 20-52-03 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I managed to find (by accident) who was the creator or it and it seems it was Valessio Brito with Aurelio Heckert. However, they both don't seem to have a way to recover the credentials to the original account... so... with this in place, and given the fact that I already created a similar account, named, Inkcape do Brasil ("Inkscape Of Brazil", instead of "Inkcape Brazil") I think things can continue this way for now.
2020-02-04 15-28-41 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>She know a lot about a lot of things, but this does not give you the right to make a person feel stupid in public. I tried to talk to her in the private chat room and she said: "Oh, I don't talk in private". This is just like, "oh yes, let me keep embarassing you in public". This is nonsense, offensive, and outrageous.
2020-02-04 15-40-48 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>What do you mean by "keep her space"?
2020-02-04 15-42-38 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>She said: "I don't talk in private. whatever you need to discuss with me should be in public"
2020-02-04 09-59-37 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Hi there my friend. I appreciate your concern with me. Really. You are very kind and a very professional person. I will see if I can handle it myself. I believe I will survive. :sunglasses: It is just that people need to be more considerate with others, that's all. Thanks again for worrying. It is important for the community health. :thumbsup:
2020-02-04 15-45-42 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Skies here are as gray as UK. But c.rogers said that skies are more blue now. hehe
2020-02-20 16-23-26 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Also
2020-02-20 15-58-05 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>ma friend!
2020-02-04 15-35-29 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I am sorry you have to go through all this man. Really. trully. Sorry.
2020-02-20 16-43-19 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>they are all mainly in Europe.
2020-02-20 16-11-40 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>This comparison in the about page was there for at least 15 years. Just because I mentioned it it got erased.
2020-02-20 15-58-55 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I was so happy I could help explore options to compare how Inkscape relates to other programs... and you go there and remove them from the page. lol (that hurt). Let's see what the Inkscape council decides.
2020-02-04 15-42-17 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>pfffff... tell me about it! I tried talking to her in private.
2020-02-20 16-29-00 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>The poor survey I tried to put in the project.
2020-02-04 15-33-20 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I would pay her therapy if I had extra money here. But I am just restarting my life in Canada.
2020-02-20 16-19-05 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>It wouldn't be immoral. or ilegal. Or undecent.
2020-02-04 15-45-01 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>And now that I am living in Canada for the past 4 years I guess this made me even more soft? (if that is even possible!)
2020-02-20 16-42-28 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Are you in the US? I thought you were in UK.
2020-02-04 15-15-13 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I think it is more a matter of saying things in a light/nice way. But it is all good. Thank you again for worrying and for checking on me. I appreciate your concern.
2020-02-20 16-26-30 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>If I am wrong we can always delete it.
2020-02-20 16-25-54 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>DONE!
2020-02-04 15-32-47 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>It is like you said. We are all humans. We make mistakes. We need to do our best to get along.
2020-02-04 15-38-21 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Thank you for being kind and open. This is really needed, especially here.
2020-02-04 15-15-38 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>No. It was an issue we both have with another person. :sweat_smile:
2020-02-04 15-44-20 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I don't.
2020-02-20 16-27-19 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I noticed this. It seems like an strategy to kill new ideas slowly with soooo much discussion and very few actions on it. lol
2020-02-04 15-15-48 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>But we discussed our points of view and it makes sense.
2020-02-20 16-10-26 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Comparing Inkscape to other vector programs is healthy. It helps users understand what we do... but oh well...
2020-02-20 16-18-36 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>This has potential for even all of us to understand our own weaknesses and strenghts.
2020-12-05 17-18-57 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>service: twitter.com login: inkscapeb mobile phone attached to it at the moment (mine): +1 778 938 9039 (Canadian number) p******: Deusebom2016Deusebom2016Deusebom2016
2020-02-20 15-59-04 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>May we have fruitful discussions!
2020-02-04 15-44-38 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I have a German last name but since I was born in Brazil I am a lot softer.
2020-02-04 15-14-03 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Yes. I talked to c.rogers about all this.
2020-01-14 12-40-22 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Just sent you an email.
2020-02-04 15-45-22 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>You are from UK, right?
2020-02-04 15-40-00 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>It is ok. Living learning eh? :sweat_smile:
2020-02-24 23-00-10 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>And for still being polite in public (as well as in private). Also, thank you for not blocking me in private.
2020-02-04 15-44-12 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Anyway... thank you for your kindness, worrying, and chat. Appreciate it very much!
2020-02-04 15-31-36 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>oh my... is this the reason?
2020-02-20 16-42-59 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>ohhh. nice.
2020-02-20 16-43-14 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>We never have Inkscape conferences in Canada right?
2020-02-20 16-12-25 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>It is just so disencouraging...
2020-02-04 15-27-11 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Wait. WHAT? She is mad at me? For what reason? I felt so embarassed for the way she answered me in the translation team chat that I ended up erasing things. Is this how we want to build a community and receive new members? We were practically screaming and pointing fingers at each other in that chat room. That is terrible for everyone. That is very toxic for me and for the project. How is a new member going to feel welcome if there is a BIG fight going on in that chat?
2020-02-20 16-29-44 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Of course. Always. Honesty first,. Always,
2020-02-20 16-12-08 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>People are not even eager to run the survey.
2020-02-04 15-31-39 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Dear LORD!
2020-02-04 15-41-46 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I guess managing people is also tricky and time consuming.
2020-02-04 15-14-17 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Actually, he came to talk to me in the private chat. I am good.
2020-02-20 16-17-41 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>No. I don't want you to get burned. No one needs to be injured. We don't want that.
2020-02-20 15-55-09 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Why was it so damaging to have the name of other vector graphics applications in our About > About page? And why is it so damaging to put table and show strengths and weaknesses of different programs, in the same category? (vector editing apps)
2020-02-25 10-32-18 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>So if I publish this table at my own expense, in a personal place it is fine. But you guys won't do it in a project space, is this it? I am cool with that.
2020-02-20 15-53-45 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Hey Doctormo. Do you have 5 minutes, or so? :)
2020-02-20 16-22-11 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>The wiki seems to be mainly for developers and few non-technical people read it.
2020-02-20 16-25-52 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>So you think we are devoting a huge amount of time to something that is not important. Just stop resisting and say: "lets give it a go." Do a small and simple draft. If no one likes it we will take it down after 7 or 10 days. Deal?
2020-02-04 15-41-19 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>Got it. No worries then.
2020-01-22 20-52-49 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>I will give you the credentials if it happens to have a moment I will need to step down from it... but so far I am enjoying help spread the word of Inkscape in my native language. :smiley: :thumbsup:
2020-02-20 16-09-41 PSTVictor Westmann <victor.westmann@gmail.com>:broken_heart: