2020-10-04 09-07-50 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>ah sorry it's more for non-EU
2020-10-04 08-59-39 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>oh ?
2020-10-04 09-18-09 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>mostly "whatever I want"
2020-10-04 09-01-16 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>(if you want, of course)
2020-06-17 10-23-00 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>20 and 21 are a weekend so they don't even count, for me ^^ 3 days is fine imo
2020-10-04 09-26-30 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>communist in the sens of "putting their work into making a «Common» of the result"
2020-06-17 10-17-17 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>Don't worry, planning is not the forte of french universities either :D
2020-06-17 10-23-40 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>(as I wrote, it's important to have other mentors agree too, especially Thomas)
2020-10-04 08-51-52 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>in France I think it would probably be doable, provided you would have ideas on what are the differences between inkscape and the state of the art, and maybe how to improve on the state of the art
2020-05-31 07-18-49 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>Hi!
2020-10-04 09-25-21 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>it's a bunch of communist-minded computer scientists trying to change the world at their level
2020-10-04 09-33-54 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>neat
2020-10-04 09-34-10 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>in which area ?
2020-10-04 09-31-15 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>:/
2020-05-31 08-39-48 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>ah, sorry to hear that
2020-10-04 08-54-55 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>(or a book about geometry, maybe)
2020-10-04 09-01-30 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>(if you're more interested into robotics than in geometry, I can understand that :D )
2020-10-04 09-14-18 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>(from https://www.topuniversities.com/student-info/student-finance/how-much-does-it-cost-study-germany "Tuition fees for “non-consecutive” master’s degrees, for those who have gained their bachelor’s degree elsewhere in the world, vary between universities and may be around €20,000 (~US$24,400) per year at public institutions")
2020-10-04 09-09-57 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>that's a new law from last year that introduced this price difference (3770€/yr), the law was heavily criticized (basically as an anti-african law as many courses are in french and most non-EU people coming were from northern africa), the law was called by the minister "welcome to france", not even ironically
2020-05-31 07-19-33 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>As we approach the end of the community bonding period, I wanted to check with you how it went for you
2020-10-04 09-11-58 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>masters in germany is ~20k€
2020-10-04 09-16-22 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>I did TCS (parallel algoirithms)
2020-10-04 09-23-41 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>so, lots of things :D
2020-10-04 08-50-43 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>I don't know how much is asked from a MS thesis (it depends a lot on the countries)
2020-10-04 09-12-54 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>yeah
2020-05-31 08-40-00 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>hope you'll get better
2020-06-17 10-09-22 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>(if you prefer to have everyone, you can write to all, whatever you are more comfortable with)
2020-10-04 08-56-07 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>ideally the people most apt to tell you what the state of the art is would be people doing research on geometric algorithms ^^
2020-10-04 08-59-12 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>well, that makes sense :D
2020-10-04 09-41-04 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>not sure I'll have the time, but you can try to @ me
2020-10-11 11-53-49 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>ok :)
2020-10-04 08-56-57 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>maybe I can find some at my uni or at a friend's uni
2020-10-04 09-30-33 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>(btw, I saw that you attempted to join the dev meeting, did you have problems to join ?)
2020-05-09 14-19-04 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>Yes, that sounds good :)
2020-10-04 09-39-29 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>(oh, btw, was anything still needed to merge the documentation of your gsoc ?)
2020-10-04 09-29-47 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>what's even more amazing is how people sometimes manage work together to collaborate productively into doing so (not everyone doing their stuff by themselves)
2020-06-17 10-24-30 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>group chat is fine
2020-10-04 09-07-09 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>(for master)
2020-10-04 09-37-28 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>sounds like a great project anyway :)
2020-10-04 09-38-41 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>you never know :)
2020-10-04 09-20-38 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>I'm employed in a public uni as a research engineer, which means I spend some of my time doing sysadmin stuff (installing and maintaining sdervices and machines for researchers, maintain a visioconference server (the one we used for inkscape/gsoc) ), giving lectures (I did one about hadoop last year), but also have free time to work on e.g. Inkscape, and can work on research projects with a big data research team; and I got funded to make a MOOC on edX about "Contributing to free software"
2020-10-04 09-00-51 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>and you cannot switch ? or is that a completely different cursus ?
2020-08-08 05-55-30 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>he should
2020-10-04 09-07-25 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>https://www.campusfrance.org/en/tuition-fees-France
2020-10-04 09-15-58 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>It would not surprise me if it was free in some landers and paying in others
2020-10-04 09-14-58 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>I don't know much about the german system
2020-07-31 23-29-50 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>* the ability to very quickly speak to almost any other open source project, and to my friends, within one program that just requires a terminal open * not hidden in a browser tab (I have ~4000 open browsers tabs) which just work to speak to Inkscape only and can play noise or notifications * much, much faster to read on any IRC client than on rocket chat (I can read ~ 50 lines on one window of IRC vs 10 lines on a Rocketchat window + I can go back on my history with 0 loading time and no weird scroller)
2020-10-04 09-36-01 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>the Deepak Agrawal one ?
2020-08-08 05-53-23 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>yes, I called him yesterday
2020-06-17 10-17-52 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>IMO one week is fine, but this will need to be agreed with the other mentors
2020-06-17 10-18-23 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>(it's 10% of the whole gsoc, after all^^)
2020-10-04 08-54-07 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>arxiv ?
2020-06-17 10-08-58 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>you can discuss it with me if you want
2020-10-04 09-06-56 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>243€ / year + some additional fees
2020-10-04 08-50-16 PDTMc <marcjeanmougin@free.fr>mmh
2020-10-04 09-00-22 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Pick*
2020-10-04 09-35-26 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>I'll be helping them write the software for it.
2020-10-04 07-03-24 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Do you think there is a possibility for an MS Thesis on the topic? Building on the work and improving it?
2020-10-04 09-17-44 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Great! :-) And what's your area of work these days?
2020-10-04 09-31-01 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>I had a really lame internet connection
2020-10-04 09-02-13 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Specially those that run embedded Linux
2020-07-31 07-39-11 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Mc I had a question. It's not really important, just curious. 😃 What are the advantages to using IRC over RocketChat? I mean what makes you prefer it
2020-10-04 09-12-35 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Are you talking just about the tuition fee?
2020-10-04 09-00-19 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Yep. I graduated in Electrical Engineering. At that time I thought it was the best choice for me as I was confused about which area to oick.
2020-10-04 09-37-18 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>It's a different one, not much info on the internet
2020-10-04 09-01-38 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Haha
2020-10-04 09-01-20 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>With a few bridge courses, one should be able to switch
2020-10-04 09-35-08 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Some of my friends started with a design and got it to the prototyping phase.
2020-05-31 07-43-28 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Hi Marc. I sorry that due to some gastrointestinal health issues I have been very disturbed in the past few weeks and couldn't do all the things that I planned to do within this period. I did spend some time in chat helping out few people which I very much enjoyed. I got checked recently and am recovering well. Hoping to cover up for those things as well as get started on the project.
2020-10-04 09-01-50 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>At the moment, I'm really interested in embedded systems
2020-10-04 09-30-06 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>yep definitely
2020-05-09 13-58-37 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Hi Marc. I wanted to start discussing a few things regarding what I plan to do during the community bonding period and the direction of the project. I was thinking of discussing it over email with all the mentors in CC. Does that sound good?
2020-10-04 09-34-47 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>So when the pandemic happened, the country's higher leadership decided to ask the research and engineering students to build a ventilator device.
2020-10-04 08-59-32 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>One big problem is that I'm not a CS graduate
2020-10-04 07-03-39 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>You're also working in a university so I thought you'd have a better idea on this
2020-10-04 09-35-51 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Both the UI and the controller that'd run it
2020-10-04 09-12-27 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>I'll explore more and if I'm sure the CG area is a good option for me, I'll probably ask you to find me people from academia that know the area well, but before that, I'd do my research first :-)
2020-10-04 09-01-57 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Programming small chips
2020-10-04 09-00-50 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>I had interests in programming, but also in embedded systems, communication devices and robotics
2020-10-04 09-15-54 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>No problem :-) Btw, what was your area of interest when you did your MS?
2020-10-04 09-40-32 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>I'm still reviewing it, fixing typos, there are just a few files remaining to check. I'll do that within the week. Once that's done I'd really like it if someone can go through it for a review?
2020-06-17 10-07-09 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Hi Marc
2020-10-04 09-14-10 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>https://www2.daad.de/deutschland/studienangebote/international-programmes/en/result/?q=Computer%20Science%20(MSc)°ree%5B%5D=2&fos=&cert=&admReq=&scholarshipLC=&scholarshipSC=&langDeAvailable=&langEnAvailable=&lang%5B%5D=&cit%5B%5D=&tyi%5B%5D=&ins%5B%5D=&fee=&bgn%5B%5D=&dur%5B%5D=&prep_subj%5B%5D=&prep_degree%5B%5D=&sort=4&subjects%5B%5D=&limit=10&offset=&display=list
2020-10-04 09-38-00 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Yeah, I don't see high chances of it making into a final product, it's a RnD project and I just see it as great experience. :-)
2020-10-04 09-26-50 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>yep, yep, got it :-)
2020-06-17 10-16-56 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>You must be thinking what kind of a university does that, but that's the weird part of living in a country like Pakistan. They don't listen to us.
2020-06-17 10-08-08 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>There is something I need to discuss about my GSoC project. So I was wondering if I should discuss it with you here or make a group chat with other mentors as well. (It's not a technical matter)
2020-06-17 10-14-27 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>To update on the project, I am done with the Simplify code which was the goal for the first two weeks. In this week and the next 2 I am supposed to work on Path -> Digraph -> Path parts.
2020-10-04 09-17-49 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>At your day job I mean
2020-10-04 09-21-57 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>That's nice :-)
2020-06-17 10-22-05 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>So, I was thinking of working as much as I can for the next 2-3 days with GSoC (and hopefully make good progress). And taking time off for university work from 20 to 25 June to work on the thesis. Does that sound fine to you?
2020-06-17 10-13-33 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>So the thing is as you would probably know I am in the senior year of my university. (I was supposed to have graduated by June). Due to COVID, the university was closed and then they started some online education system too. The exams and my thesis were scheduled for later. However, suddenly they sent us an email telling that we have to submit our thesis on 24th June and deliver a presentation on 29 June. It's very hard to manage this with GSoC. I was wondering if it would be possible to do reduced work for the next few days, I'll of course make up for it. I totally understand if this is not possible, in that situation I'll have to ask the university to give me an extension in the project which will have its own downsides.
2020-10-04 09-36-41 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Nah :D
2020-06-17 10-24-02 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Of course, that's important.
2020-10-04 09-30-16 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>and Inkscape is a place where a lot of collaboration goes on
2020-10-04 09-33-49 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Btw, I've got a temporary job for a few months
2020-10-04 09-31-11 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>(third world problems)
2020-10-04 09-25-39 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>That's a really sweet way to put it :-)
2020-08-08 05-56-19 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>All right :-)
2020-10-04 09-33-04 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Sometimes during the GSoC meetings, I'd have to switch between the two during the meeting. :-D
2020-10-04 08-59-01 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>So when listing out areas where I do have some experience, my project immediately came to my mind
2020-10-04 09-30-49 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Yep I did
2020-10-04 09-24-42 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>(My dad doesn't have a CS background, but I've explained him what OSS is :P)
2020-10-04 09-32-42 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>But often times both will betray me
2020-10-04 09-06-44 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Most institutes have very less/no fee
2020-10-11 11-32-18 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Hey Marc, you often encourage me to talk in the meetings and I really feel great about that. I'm totally comfortable in doing so, the reason is technical. You might have noticed me mention that my headset broke in the final GSoC meeting. I ordered new ones and they are stuck in transit for over a month. I'm living with 6 other people in one two connected rooms so very noisy and laptop's battery is crap now so can't take it outside. I am using borrowed terrible quality IEMs whose audio input just sucks (so a bad idea to join with audio). Might try joining from phone next time. BBB is great on phone.
2020-06-17 10-24-21 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Should we start a group chat? Or would you prefer discussing this with them by yourself?
2020-10-04 09-18-21 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>wow! You've landed a dream job
2020-06-17 10-19-51 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Yes, of course.
2020-10-04 09-08-02 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Yea I am non-EU :P
2020-10-04 09-07-36 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Yea that's more or less the same as Germany I guess
2020-10-04 09-32-32 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Internet is very unstable where I live. I keep a 3G connection on phone as a backup and a DSL is the primary WiFi for home.
2020-10-04 09-28-27 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>It's a huge effort, I'm amazed at how volunteer work can create and develop something as great as Inkscape.
2020-07-31 23-58-16 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Thanks for answering btw. Makes a lot of sense
2020-10-04 07-02-56 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Mc, there is something I wanted to discuss with you
2020-10-04 09-39-21 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Yea.
2020-10-04 09-41-13 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Yep sure
2020-07-31 23-57-36 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>4000 open tabs! Woah. How much RAM needed to support that?
2020-08-08 05-53-49 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>I was worried
2020-10-04 09-10-34 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Oh I see
2020-10-04 09-06-24 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>How's the situation of graduate studies in France btw? They're really cheap in Germany
2020-10-04 09-24-01 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>It actually surprises me how developers in the Inkscape community take so much time out to work on it, specially when day jobs and when you're not getting paid for it. Whenever I discuss my project and Inkscape with my dad, he often brings up this question, how are they all working for free? What do they get in return? :D I do understand that it feels great to contribute to software that you like, for sure. But still, taking so much time out is a huge commitment
2020-10-04 09-41-04 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Thanks for all the info btw :-)
2020-08-08 05-54-28 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Will he be joining us today for the presentation?
2020-10-04 08-57-11 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>That'd would be really great
2020-10-04 09-01-03 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>I can switch I think. A lot of people do.
2020-10-04 07-03-02 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>You know my livarot project well
2020-10-04 09-03-56 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>In order to be able to do research in the area of CG, I'd need to get good background in it first
2020-10-04 08-53-35 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Where can I find the state of the art? Cgal?
2020-10-04 08-56-41 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Got it. Thanks :-)
2020-10-04 08-57-33 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>I'm actually preparing for MS applications and I'm exploring potential research interests for myself
2020-08-08 01-48-20 PDTMoazin <moazinkhatri@gmail.com>Have you heard from Link Mauve recently?