2020-09-30 03-07-22 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>(from bryce)
2020-02-09 16-16-05 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>(because if it's in the general, the good news is that the vector lists aren't going to stop on this second round)
2020-08-15 13-56-30 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>*or*
2020-02-09 16-22-17 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>My job is to try and rally those generic bugs more. Focus on those. Maren did a "production ready" walk through and found too many crashes, even in Linux.
2020-02-09 16-41-00 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I suspect that might be the case. If it comes to never releasing a Mac "finished" release. We may have to contend with that. But at least users will be aware of the quality of the software and we can focus on further recruitment.
2020-02-09 16-21-23 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Understood. We still have that plan for issuing a Mac 'pre-release' status release so we can get something out the door.
2020-09-30 03-07-16 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>He's taken over secretarial duties.
2020-02-09 16-43-18 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Proposed new about screen:
2020-10-10 15-27-09 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I think he's asking if you have a blog and documented how you did it. But I don't think you have this, so I would just answer him that you didn't document it.
2020-08-15 13-56-25 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Yes, doctormo@geek-2.com
2020-02-09 16-02-28 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Sorry for the confusion, just my abundance of caution about throwing peopel a link they may not have been able to see.
2020-09-30 03-07-06 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>He's not the leader by the way.
2020-02-09 16-41-47 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I wonder if there's some tag we can use "inkscape 1.0ahh-it-burns"
2020-02-09 16-45-30 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Actually can we design something into the Mac package installer (that folder image that's currently the beta/alpha image) that communicates "Look, this isn't going to be great"
2020-09-30 02-08-27 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Thanks for backing me up in the developer channel with ted. I am curious, what do you think is going on here (from what you can see)
2021-03-12 05-34-57 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>id_rsa.pub.txt (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/XWJZLoLePFyqzLMn8/id_rsa.pub.txt)
2021-03-12 05-35-07 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Thanks René
2021-03-12 12-36-27 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>In body and mind, but my soul is somewhere else
2021-03-12 12-37-15 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>don
2021-03-12 12-37-16 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>e
2021-03-12 12-38-23 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Success
2021-03-12 12-40-56 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Connected
2021-03-12 12-42-07 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Understood, I'll have a play with it, probably just install Inkscape binaries rather than compile things.
2021-03-12 12-42-18 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>(but maybe compile things if needed)
2021-03-12 12-42-22 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Thank you so much
2021-03-12 12-48-22 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Woot, got `Remmina` to log in without me having to boot up a separate ssh client.
2021-03-12 12-49-43 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I used it to work on a Nasa project, got to keep all the export controlled files off my computer
2021-03-12 12-51-25 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Same for them, you couldn't VNC to their machines without a dongle and a lot of passcodes.
2021-03-12 12-52-48 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Yes
2021-03-12 12-53-30 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Nah, had it installed already, just needed to remember where all the values go.
2021-03-26 16-30-53 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>:thumbsup:
2021-04-17 06-31-59 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>What do you think of this problem of endorsing or listing or etc, contributors?
2021-04-17 07-56-13 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Thanks René
2021-04-17 07-56-22 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>(this is why you'd be good on the board :-D)
2021-04-17 08-07-57 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Perhaps we can save this for a meeting time, it's a good set of ideas which perhaps we need a breather before coming back.
2021-04-17 09-01-36 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Nah it's ok. I saw the smoldering embers sparking back into life.
2021-04-17 09-01-45 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Good to get your say out there.
2021-04-22 10-37-43 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Looks like `sirius` is down, so no windows for me today. Is is a temp machine?
2021-04-22 10-40-41 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Ah no problem.
2021-04-22 10-58-33 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I did get lots of use out of it, thank you!
2021-04-22 10-58-53 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Instead I will lean on windows users :-D
2020-02-09 16-21-36 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Mac: IT ALMOST WORKS!
2020-09-30 03-08-47 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>You'll find it funny but ted sees the board as NOT leaders. Doesn't want the board to be seen as leaders. I tried to explain that this isn't really possible, people will always see us as a leadership.
2020-08-15 13-57-13 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>geek-2 for my friends :-D
2020-02-09 16-03-31 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>No problem. How goes the Mac release?
2020-02-09 16-43-41 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Screenshot from 2020-02-09 19-43-01.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/jXvd2beKuM62iZzC7/Screenshot%20from%202020-02-09%2019-43-01.png)
2020-09-30 03-08-01 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Yes he is :-) one of the founders of Inkscape too, so people have been shy about asking hard questions. But honestly I'm kind of finished waiting.
2020-02-09 16-01-57 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>But I know the board project has got a lot of controls switched on about who can see what.
2020-09-30 03-17-48 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>It's old fashioned.
2020-02-09 16-50-56 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>I agree. Knowing that open source projects are in trouble, could attract the right sort of pressure.
2020-02-09 16-01-32 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Oh good. I don't think it is supposed to be private (you can't see any personal information in there can you)
2020-02-09 16-21-42 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>;-)
2020-08-15 13-57-17 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>(it's newer)
2020-09-30 03-08-57 PDTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>And my point is that we should start acting like it
2020-02-09 16-15-43 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>Mac specific issues or your general sense is that Inkscape itself has too many flaws?
2020-02-09 16-23-17 PSTMartin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com>So after we've tackled the vector bug lists we'll probably put out a call to users to grind the app down in real world uses. I would include a Mac RC in that if possible.
2020-09-30 03-06-29 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I can only guess that these are topics he isn't comfortable with and I understand now what you mean when you are saying you're feeling blocked (I've watched your video about funded development) at every turn.
2020-10-10 15-19-08 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Thanks for the various mentions on Twitter. I don't want to make a fool of myself on Twitter by not having understood the conversation: is Bruno Winck's question "Did you share on the process, how you implemented it?" directed at me? Is he asking if my work is publicly available?
2020-09-30 03-02-42 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I was boiling. I had to rewrite 5 times what I was going to say to take out the heat and anger.
2020-09-30 03-07-45 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>(It think of the board as leaders in a general way)
2020-02-09 16-01-49 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Ah, did I misunderstand that?
2020-09-30 03-17-17 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>This "incident" is now the second time (I haven't taken notes on what the first occasion was) that I thought to myself "open source but close minded".
2020-02-09 16-10-29 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>There is a small light at the end of the tunnel as we maybe fixed one of the blockers, but it's not safe yet. A few people confirmed the fix but Thomas says he can still reproduce the issue. So here's to hoping. But everything else is pretty much unchanged and I think there are still too many serious issues (ontop on anything that you guys are currently fixing / Vectors' blocker list).
2020-09-30 03-07-28 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I meant that as in "member of the board" (he is on the board right?)
2020-08-15 13-56-47 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I don't mind, which one do you prefer?
2020-02-09 16-46-37 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>:laughing: Might actually be a very good idea to use that kind of humor together with a serious message about the state of things.
2020-02-09 16-42-33 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>We might not like it if that happens (myself included), but it's about the message we want to send out.
2020-02-09 16-48-03 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I don't want to sound like a tele-marketer, but if we get that right, it'll create the right kind of buzz and attention we need
2020-09-30 03-05-26 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>And I still disagree. I know that there has to be some order in regards to meetings, but the way he communicated it... if he really feels/thinks this way, he is not qualified to take a leadership position.
2021-01-18 02-24-05 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>[ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/team_devel?msg=HfXf5NeDHZCoG3ETz) Sadly I can only pull off this magic trick once ;-) ()
2021-01-18 02-29-38 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Ooops, this ended up here by mistake
2021-02-11 17-46-09 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I'm new to #general but I believe user "lulmamanxii" is begging to be silenced because of inappropriate language. Also check profile "F... yo b...".
2021-03-11 16-50-21 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Please send me a ssh public key to dehesselle@web.de as you will be using RDP over SSH.
2021-03-12 10-57-56 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>You login will be ready in 2-3 hours. I'll message you here.
2021-03-12 12-36-08 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>You here?
2021-03-12 12-36-46 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Add this to your `.ssh/config`: ``` Host sirius HostName v2202010130414128487.supersrv.de Port 57921 User doctormo LocalForward 13389 localhost:3389 ```
2021-03-12 12-37-38 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>if the pub key you gave me is a special one (i.e. not your default one, you need to add the private part as `IdentityFile`)
2021-03-12 12-37-46 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Ok try to `ssh sirius`
2021-03-12 12-38-40 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Nice. Now fire up your RDP client of choice and use `localhost:13389` to connect
2021-03-12 12-38-53 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Your Windows user is `doctormo` and password is `start123`.
2021-03-12 12-41-05 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>You can do what you want, the server is up 24/7. In case you reboot, you need to contact me, as the machine does not boot up Windows by default. You can put programs and stuff on there as you like, keep it to drive `E:` . There's lot of space there. I haven't made you admin, tell me if you need that.
2021-03-12 12-41-57 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>There is already an msys2 installation there, but I suggest you make your own one on `E:`
2021-03-12 12-42-42 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>It has 8 or 10 cores and 64 GiB RAM, so plenty of room to compile should that be required
2021-03-12 12-49-18 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>It always amazes me who many screen sharing / remote support tools exist. This one is new to me.
2021-03-12 12-50-42 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I don't trust open RDP connections on a Windows machine, that's why I forced RDP to localhost and use SSH to tunnel to it
2021-03-12 12-52-35 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Wait, this is not a seperate thing, Remmina supports RDP over SSH out of the box? (I'm jsut reading the readme)
2021-03-12 12-52-53 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Wow thats awesome
2021-03-12 12-53-09 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I thought you installed "a Teamviewer" thing
2021-03-12 12-53-30 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I'll have to bookmark this!
2021-03-26 15-53-10 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I'm a bit worried: https://gitlab.com/dl2m/inkscape/-/commit/e7b94b9baf94da98a8ee39fd6b90912a25cffc41#note_539217745 looks like spam to me, but from an account with maintainer privileges in our project?
2021-03-26 16-29-46 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>False alarm, I misunderstood "maintainer"
2021-04-17 06-32-30 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I'm typing something in my vim which will make me unpopular, give me a sec
2021-04-17 07-22-10 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Don't want to post this publicly yet, but this how I would suggest to go about it.
2021-04-17 07-22-19 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>As we are volunteer-driven and nobody can tell anybody what to work on, I see no difference between choosing my area of work of my own volition or being motivated by a donation to pick something to work on. The discussion "can an individual donation take something away from Inkscape that otherwise would have been more important to focus on" is and stays entirely theoretical as long as I am free to do what I want. I'm not even obligated to tell if I'm getting paid by someone or not.
2021-04-17 07-22-26 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Best outcome is that Inkscape gains a cool feature that someone else paid for. Worst outcome is the feature does not get accepted by Inkscape official, but that is not and should not be made the projects' problem. (Every feature ever has always had the risk of not being accepted.)
2021-04-17 07-23-04 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>1. Do we as a project want to advertise the fact that people can fund developers directly? a. As we are still a decentralized project, the project cannot make guarantees for accepting things that people fund individual developers for. This is a risk that the funder and fundee need to talk about prior to their engagement and is their responsibility/liability alone.
2021-04-17 07-23-15 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>2. In order to give it a test run, restrict the possibility to get listed on our page to people who are already contributors so we only have to deal with "known faces" instead of unknowns during the testing phase.
2021-04-17 07-23-24 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>(the end)
2021-04-17 07-56-44 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>If you think it has the right tone, I'll post it into vectors channel
2021-04-17 08-57-24 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>oops, I should've read your reply first. I've just recycled parts of that in a post.
2021-04-22 10-49-48 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>(it won't be up 24/7 but it also will not be decommissioned three weeks later ;-) )
2021-04-22 10-39-20 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I need to look into the history... somewhere I said how long this machine is paid for, give me a sec
2021-04-22 10-40-26 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>It was decomissioned end of March
2021-04-22 10-41-18 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I cannot find it here, I believe if we scroll up in the devel channel (I believe it was there where you were looking for something with Windows) we find it there
2021-04-22 10-41-53 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Sorry. I hope you still got some use out of it
2021-04-22 10-42-45 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I can only offer Teamviewer access to Laptop that I don't use regularly, if that helps
2020-09-30 03-11-41 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I find that indeed funny as I would not have expected that.
2020-02-09 16-22-13 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>That'll do ;-)
2020-02-09 16-42-39 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Haha I like the idea about that tag
2020-02-09 16-01-01 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>(I didn't read it.)
2020-02-09 16-00-54 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I can see this issue you linked to in the dev channel and I'm under the impression it's supposed to be private.
2020-02-09 16-03-06 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Don't worry. Better safe than sorry. Sorry for the noise!
2020-08-15 13-56-08 PDTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Did I get that right? `doctormo@gmail.com`?
2020-02-09 16-01-03 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>Just to let you know.
2020-02-09 16-39-30 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>I think I won't block an RC even I think it's too premature to call it that. Once the time comes to lose the "beta"/"rc"/... labels altogether, at least for the other platforms, that'll be another story.
2020-02-09 16-20-03 PSTRené de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de>macOS specific ones. TBH I'm not really up-to-date on the general quality of the rest, maybe with the exception of the degradation in overall performance. But I'm also not really worried about the other issues because they get more or less the whole team behind them to hunt them down.