2020-09-30 03-07-22 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | (from bryce) |
2020-02-09 16-16-05 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | (because if it's in the general, the good news is that the vector lists aren't going to stop on this second round) |
2020-08-15 13-56-30 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | *or* |
2020-02-09 16-22-17 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | My job is to try and rally those generic bugs more. Focus on those. Maren did a "production ready" walk through and found too many crashes, even in Linux. |
2020-02-09 16-41-00 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | I suspect that might be the case. If it comes to never releasing a Mac "finished" release. We may have to contend with that. But at least users will be aware of the quality of the software and we can focus on further recruitment. |
2020-02-09 16-21-23 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Understood. We still have that plan for issuing a Mac 'pre-release' status release so we can get something out the door. |
2020-09-30 03-07-16 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | He's taken over secretarial duties. |
2020-02-09 16-43-18 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Proposed new about screen: |
2020-10-10 15-27-09 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | I think he's asking if you have a blog and documented how you did it. But I don't think you have this, so I would just answer him that you didn't document it. |
2020-08-15 13-56-25 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Yes, doctormo@geek-2.com |
2020-02-09 16-02-28 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Sorry for the confusion, just my abundance of caution about throwing peopel a link they may not have been able to see. |
2020-09-30 03-07-06 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | He's not the leader by the way. |
2020-02-09 16-41-47 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | I wonder if there's some tag we can use "inkscape 1.0ahh-it-burns" |
2020-02-09 16-45-30 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Actually can we design something into the Mac package installer (that folder image that's currently the beta/alpha image) that communicates "Look, this isn't going to be great" |
2020-09-30 02-08-27 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Thanks for backing me up in the developer channel with ted. I am curious, what do you think is going on here (from what you can see) |
2021-03-12 05-34-57 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | id_rsa.pub.txt (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/XWJZLoLePFyqzLMn8/id_rsa.pub.txt) |
2021-03-12 05-35-07 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Thanks René |
2021-03-12 12-36-27 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | In body and mind, but my soul is somewhere else |
2021-03-12 12-37-15 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | don |
2021-03-12 12-37-16 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | e |
2021-03-12 12-38-23 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Success |
2021-03-12 12-40-56 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Connected |
2021-03-12 12-42-07 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Understood, I'll have a play with it, probably just install Inkscape binaries rather than compile things. |
2021-03-12 12-42-18 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | (but maybe compile things if needed) |
2021-03-12 12-42-22 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Thank you so much |
2021-03-12 12-48-22 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Woot, got `Remmina` to log in without me having to boot up a separate ssh client. |
2021-03-12 12-49-43 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | I used it to work on a Nasa project, got to keep all the export controlled files off my computer |
2021-03-12 12-51-25 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Same for them, you couldn't VNC to their machines without a dongle and a lot of passcodes. |
2021-03-12 12-52-48 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Yes |
2021-03-12 12-53-30 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Nah, had it installed already, just needed to remember where all the values go. |
2021-03-26 16-30-53 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | :thumbsup: |
2021-04-17 06-31-59 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | What do you think of this problem of endorsing or listing or etc, contributors? |
2021-04-17 07-56-13 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Thanks René |
2021-04-17 07-56-22 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | (this is why you'd be good on the board :-D) |
2021-04-17 08-07-57 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Perhaps we can save this for a meeting time, it's a good set of ideas which perhaps we need a breather before coming back. |
2021-04-17 09-01-36 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Nah it's ok. I saw the smoldering embers sparking back into life. |
2021-04-17 09-01-45 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Good to get your say out there. |
2021-04-22 10-37-43 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Looks like `sirius` is down, so no windows for me today. Is is a temp machine? |
2021-04-22 10-40-41 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Ah no problem. |
2021-04-22 10-58-33 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | I did get lots of use out of it, thank you! |
2021-04-22 10-58-53 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Instead I will lean on windows users :-D |
2020-02-09 16-21-36 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Mac: IT ALMOST WORKS! |
2020-09-30 03-08-47 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | You'll find it funny but ted sees the board as NOT leaders. Doesn't want the board to be seen as leaders. I tried to explain that this isn't really possible, people will always see us as a leadership. |
2020-08-15 13-57-13 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | geek-2 for my friends :-D |
2020-02-09 16-03-31 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | No problem. How goes the Mac release? |
2020-02-09 16-43-41 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Screenshot from 2020-02-09 19-43-01.png (https://chat.inkscape.org/file-upload/jXvd2beKuM62iZzC7/Screenshot%20from%202020-02-09%2019-43-01.png) |
2020-09-30 03-08-01 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Yes he is :-) one of the founders of Inkscape too, so people have been shy about asking hard questions. But honestly I'm kind of finished waiting. |
2020-02-09 16-01-57 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | But I know the board project has got a lot of controls switched on about who can see what. |
2020-09-30 03-17-48 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | It's old fashioned. |
2020-02-09 16-50-56 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | I agree. Knowing that open source projects are in trouble, could attract the right sort of pressure. |
2020-02-09 16-01-32 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Oh good. I don't think it is supposed to be private (you can't see any personal information in there can you) |
2020-02-09 16-21-42 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | ;-) |
2020-08-15 13-57-17 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | (it's newer) |
2020-09-30 03-08-57 PDT | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | And my point is that we should start acting like it |
2020-02-09 16-15-43 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | Mac specific issues or your general sense is that Inkscape itself has too many flaws? |
2020-02-09 16-23-17 PST | Martin Owens <doctormo@geek-2.com> | So after we've tackled the vector bug lists we'll probably put out a call to users to grind the app down in real world uses. I would include a Mac RC in that if possible. |
2020-09-30 03-06-29 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I can only guess that these are topics he isn't comfortable with and I understand now what you mean when you are saying you're feeling blocked (I've watched your video about funded development) at every turn. |
2020-10-10 15-19-08 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Thanks for the various mentions on Twitter. I don't want to make a fool of myself on Twitter by not having understood the conversation: is Bruno Winck's question "Did you share on the process, how you implemented it?" directed at me? Is he asking if my work is publicly available? |
2020-09-30 03-02-42 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I was boiling. I had to rewrite 5 times what I was going to say to take out the heat and anger. |
2020-09-30 03-07-45 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | (It think of the board as leaders in a general way) |
2020-02-09 16-01-49 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Ah, did I misunderstand that? |
2020-09-30 03-17-17 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | This "incident" is now the second time (I haven't taken notes on what the first occasion was) that I thought to myself "open source but close minded". |
2020-02-09 16-10-29 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | There is a small light at the end of the tunnel as we maybe fixed one of the blockers, but it's not safe yet. A few people confirmed the fix but Thomas says he can still reproduce the issue. So here's to hoping.
But everything else is pretty much unchanged and I think there are still too many serious issues (ontop on anything that you guys are currently fixing / Vectors' blocker list). |
2020-09-30 03-07-28 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I meant that as in "member of the board" (he is on the board right?) |
2020-08-15 13-56-47 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I don't mind, which one do you prefer? |
2020-02-09 16-46-37 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | :laughing: Might actually be a very good idea to use that kind of humor together with a serious message about the state of things. |
2020-02-09 16-42-33 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | We might not like it if that happens (myself included), but it's about the message we want to send out. |
2020-02-09 16-48-03 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I don't want to sound like a tele-marketer, but if we get that right, it'll create the right kind of buzz and attention we need |
2020-09-30 03-05-26 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | And I still disagree. I know that there has to be some order in regards to meetings, but the way he communicated it... if he really feels/thinks this way, he is not qualified to take a leadership position. |
2021-01-18 02-24-05 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/team_devel?msg=HfXf5NeDHZCoG3ETz) Sadly I can only pull off this magic trick once ;-) () |
2021-01-18 02-29-38 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Ooops, this ended up here by mistake |
2021-02-11 17-46-09 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I'm new to #general but I believe user "lulmamanxii" is begging to be silenced because of inappropriate language. Also check profile "F... yo b...". |
2021-03-11 16-50-21 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Please send me a ssh public key to dehesselle@web.de as you will be using RDP over SSH. |
2021-03-12 10-57-56 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | You login will be ready in 2-3 hours. I'll message you here. |
2021-03-12 12-36-08 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | You here? |
2021-03-12 12-36-46 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Add this to your `.ssh/config`:
```
Host sirius
HostName v2202010130414128487.supersrv.de
Port 57921
User doctormo
LocalForward 13389 localhost:3389
``` |
2021-03-12 12-37-38 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | if the pub key you gave me is a special one (i.e. not your default one, you need to add the private part as `IdentityFile`) |
2021-03-12 12-37-46 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Ok try to `ssh sirius` |
2021-03-12 12-38-40 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Nice. Now fire up your RDP client of choice and use `localhost:13389` to connect |
2021-03-12 12-38-53 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Your Windows user is `doctormo` and password is `start123`. |
2021-03-12 12-41-05 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | You can do what you want, the server is up 24/7. In case you reboot, you need to contact me, as the machine does not boot up Windows by default. You can put programs and stuff on there as you like, keep it to drive `E:` . There's lot of space there.
I haven't made you admin, tell me if you need that. |
2021-03-12 12-41-57 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | There is already an msys2 installation there, but I suggest you make your own one on `E:` |
2021-03-12 12-42-42 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | It has 8 or 10 cores and 64 GiB RAM, so plenty of room to compile should that be required |
2021-03-12 12-49-18 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | It always amazes me who many screen sharing / remote support tools exist. This one is new to me. |
2021-03-12 12-50-42 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I don't trust open RDP connections on a Windows machine, that's why I forced RDP to localhost and use SSH to tunnel to it |
2021-03-12 12-52-35 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Wait, this is not a seperate thing, Remmina supports RDP over SSH out of the box? (I'm jsut reading the readme) |
2021-03-12 12-52-53 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Wow thats awesome |
2021-03-12 12-53-09 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I thought you installed "a Teamviewer" thing |
2021-03-12 12-53-30 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I'll have to bookmark this! |
2021-03-26 15-53-10 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I'm a bit worried: https://gitlab.com/dl2m/inkscape/-/commit/e7b94b9baf94da98a8ee39fd6b90912a25cffc41#note_539217745 looks like spam to me, but from an account with maintainer privileges in our project? |
2021-03-26 16-29-46 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | False alarm, I misunderstood "maintainer" |
2021-04-17 06-32-30 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I'm typing something in my vim which will make me unpopular, give me a sec |
2021-04-17 07-22-10 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Don't want to post this publicly yet, but this how I would suggest to go about it. |
2021-04-17 07-22-19 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | As we are volunteer-driven and nobody can tell anybody what to work on, I see no difference between choosing my area of work of my own volition or being motivated by a donation to pick something to work on. The discussion "can an individual donation take something away from Inkscape that otherwise would have been more important to focus on" is and stays entirely theoretical as long as I am free to do what I want. I'm not even obligated to tell if I'm getting paid by someone or not. |
2021-04-17 07-22-26 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Best outcome is that Inkscape gains a cool feature that someone else paid for. Worst outcome is the feature does not get accepted by Inkscape official, but that is not and should not be made the projects' problem. (Every feature ever has always had the risk of not being accepted.) |
2021-04-17 07-23-04 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | 1. Do we as a project want to advertise the fact that people can fund developers directly?
a. As we are still a decentralized project, the project cannot make guarantees for accepting things that people fund individual developers for. This is a risk that the funder and fundee need to talk about prior to their engagement and is their responsibility/liability alone. |
2021-04-17 07-23-15 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | 2. In order to give it a test run, restrict the possibility to get listed on our page to people who are already contributors so we only have to deal with "known faces" instead of unknowns during the testing phase. |
2021-04-17 07-23-24 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | (the end) |
2021-04-17 07-56-44 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | If you think it has the right tone, I'll post it into vectors channel |
2021-04-17 08-57-24 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | oops, I should've read your reply first. I've just recycled parts of that in a post. |
2021-04-22 10-49-48 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | (it won't be up 24/7 but it also will not be decommissioned three weeks later ;-) ) |
2021-04-22 10-39-20 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I need to look into the history... somewhere I said how long this machine is paid for, give me a sec |
2021-04-22 10-40-26 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | It was decomissioned end of March |
2021-04-22 10-41-18 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I cannot find it here, I believe if we scroll up in the devel channel (I believe it was there where you were looking for something with Windows) we find it there |
2021-04-22 10-41-53 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Sorry. I hope you still got some use out of it |
2021-04-22 10-42-45 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I can only offer Teamviewer access to Laptop that I don't use regularly, if that helps |
2020-09-30 03-11-41 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I find that indeed funny as I would not have expected that. |
2020-02-09 16-22-13 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | That'll do ;-) |
2020-02-09 16-42-39 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Haha I like the idea about that tag |
2020-02-09 16-01-01 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | (I didn't read it.) |
2020-02-09 16-00-54 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I can see this issue you linked to in the dev channel and I'm under the impression it's supposed to be private. |
2020-02-09 16-03-06 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Don't worry. Better safe than sorry. Sorry for the noise! |
2020-08-15 13-56-08 PDT | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Did I get that right? `doctormo@gmail.com`? |
2020-02-09 16-01-03 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | Just to let you know. |
2020-02-09 16-39-30 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | I think I won't block an RC even I think it's too premature to call it that.
Once the time comes to lose the "beta"/"rc"/... labels altogether, at least for the other platforms, that'll be another story. |
2020-02-09 16-20-03 PST | René de Hesselle <dehesselle@web.de> | macOS specific ones. TBH I'm not really up-to-date on the general quality of the rest, maybe with the exception of the degradation in overall performance. But I'm also not really worried about the other issues because they get more or less the whole team behind them to hunt them down. |