2019-11-21 08-26-12 PST Nathan Johansen Be playful. Be you. Excel at what you revel in. It's okay. You're welcome to be safe here. 2019-11-16 10-40-30 PST Nathan Johansen One of my philanthropic meetings yesterday was about reminding people on the short but messy history of computing and the recent Internet, with emphasis on arcane notions like RFC 5545 and RFC 7986 as still unrealized design principles which, if anyone ever succeeded at fully implementing them with compliance with UTF8 and ISO standards for character sets, could pretty much shut down (or shut up) huge swaths of "Internet Innovators" that have sprung up over the past few decades. 2019-11-21 08-17-32 PST Nathan Johansen Don't feel maligned by differences. Just be confident in your own courageous acts. =) 2019-11-21 09-34-48 PST Nathan Johansen (Just for clarity so as to allay guessing from the outset.) 2019-11-21 08-18-34 PST Nathan Johansen More eyes and attitudes and abilities bring greater resources than trivial uniformity. 2019-11-16 10-32-00 PST Nathan Johansen Hmm. Now I'm curious ... what WAS that first spreadsheet program .... I can't remember. 2019-11-21 08-25-38 PST Nathan Johansen With vigor. And skill. =) 2019-11-16 10-25-19 PST Nathan Johansen =) 2019-11-16 10-29-45 PST Nathan Johansen Sshhh. 2019-11-21 06-24-03 PST Nathan Johansen +001 (720) 273 2063 2019-11-21 06-58-05 PST Nathan Johansen Up here in Idaho, we're playing with the native Indians and to a limited extent, the Canadians ... the people from Mexico and southern American countries already being represented in the four-corners regions previously ... 2019-11-21 08-32-44 PST Nathan Johansen Kind of like being given the duty of keeping the kids busy before luncheon is served. 2019-11-21 09-34-22 PST Nathan Johansen Could you provide URLs or links to the interface where these points are to be found? 2019-11-16 10-28-19 PST Nathan Johansen Besides, it's helpful to keep certain things close at hand as reference when you may or may not have access to the digital ~nemesis~ memesis (for whatever reason) but DO have paper. 2019-11-21 08-31-34 PST Nathan Johansen Where should I be loading up pages in my web browser and what should I be looking at to "moderate" in accordance with being a good member of the community with a badge? 2019-11-21 06-51-19 PST Nathan Johansen (but I'm adverse to travel back and forth much at the moment.) 2019-11-21 06-56-28 PST Nathan Johansen For what it's worth, I've served in roles appointed by the state governor down to county commissioners and real land use from people on property granted from the late 1800's. 2019-11-21 08-19-09 PST Nathan Johansen The people who run this place understand this implicitly, even if they do not express it explicitly with tact or skill. 2019-11-21 08-19-24 PST Nathan Johansen (We know it when we see it and that's all good!) 2019-11-16 10-37-32 PST Nathan Johansen Although I don't tend to read books anymore. They just sit on shelves or are in storage. 2019-11-16 09-30-23 PST Nathan Johansen Here? 2019-11-16 10-35-24 PST Nathan Johansen I still have friends at NASA that use Fortran. We grew up with LISP and FORTH. 2019-11-16 10-31-26 PST Nathan Johansen But yea, been at this a minute. =) 2019-11-21 06-54-07 PST Nathan Johansen The danger in being good at something is forgetting what it took to get there and how to train/tell/express that to those who haven't followed along in class like you may have. 2019-11-21 08-32-13 PST Nathan Johansen And how often or with what frequency do I usually need to devote my attention there? 2019-11-16 10-29-39 PST Nathan Johansen (Also, it's a good reason to test other networking issues I've been fiddling with today ...) 2019-11-21 06-50-12 PST Nathan Johansen I have property there and was born in the state, but am presently in the Pacific time zone. 2019-11-21 08-33-06 PST Nathan Johansen And we're out of crayons or paper while the electricity is out but we have rain ... ;) 2019-11-21 09-36-26 PST Nathan Johansen (There seem to be "levels" and "zones" and areas spread all over the place where these interactions can and do take place with regularity.) 2019-11-16 10-28-29 PST Nathan Johansen memesis 2019-11-16 10-33-23 PST Nathan Johansen I left for college to study Aerospace Engineering in 1993. Grew up in a small town with a good education system. 2019-11-21 06-52-59 PST Nathan Johansen If you would like, I can make introductions at a future point. You might enjoy being a champion of the open source "Here's how we do this effectively ..." education that is sorely needed over there at the moment from those who scratch their heads too often. 2019-11-21 08-25-04 PST Nathan Johansen Removing uncertainty, so to speak. 2019-11-16 11-06-20 PST Nathan Johansen That's still a lot to keep in your mind. I'm really happy with how HTML and CSS have grown. 2019-11-16 10-31-18 PST Nathan Johansen I used to setup 8086 IBM AT / XT computers at the library in the early 80's for college students to learn WordPerfect and Basic and DOS and ... goodnesses, I forgot what we called spreadsheets before Microsoft decided to hijack that code ... 2019-11-21 06-56-46 PST Nathan Johansen Gives me a headache. =) 2019-11-21 08-16-50 PST Nathan Johansen First off, I see that you care. That tells me a lot. It takes heart to invest yourself in what you are passionate about or have an attraction to because ... like all such notions .. it is nurturing to your being and you want to not only promote that but preserve and share. 2019-11-16 10-37-02 PST Nathan Johansen Hahaha. Yes, I still have some of those that I use as bookmarks. 2019-11-16 10-25-15 PST Nathan Johansen Got it. Looking at the Moderators Area and reading the full version of the Rules and Guidelines. (I should have waited to print all these and put ONE staple in the whole set.) 2019-11-21 09-40-36 PST Nathan Johansen Thank you. 2019-11-16 10-27-29 PST Nathan Johansen I like paper and reading things in a way that I can take an inky pen to them along with throwing a date and my initials on certain sheets is just an old habit of diligence. =) 2019-11-16 10-34-40 PST Nathan Johansen I use the 2000 because I bought myself a platinum ring on my 25th birthday and had it engraved with my initials and the year. So that's been a simple "token" of identity ever since 2019-11-16 10-32-45 PST Nathan Johansen I still preferred a typewriter, because those were ... well, you could be precise with where the letters were placed on the paper if you WANTED ... 2019-11-21 09-35-40 PST Nathan Johansen I thought I had them but maybe I'm missing something? 2019-11-16 10-06-06 PST Nathan Johansen Yep, that knocked me off a while back, also. 2019-11-21 08-24-44 PST Nathan Johansen Beyond compromise there is constitution and fitness and sturdy reliability. 2019-11-16 10-43-18 PST Nathan Johansen Whenever I need to remind myself of just how much work there still is to do, I read that. 2019-11-21 06-51-01 PST Nathan Johansen That said, you might be an ideal resource for my colleagues who WANT me to be in Colorado so they can get more out of my activities ... 2019-11-21 06-40-00 PST brynn I live in CO. 2019-11-16 10-44-59 PST brynn Aah, well you kind of lost me there. PL1 was my one an only contact to programming. I've taught myself some simple html, and can run a simple website. I thought I might dip into javascript and higher levels of html/css. But it's starting to get harder to learn new things anymore. My poor old brain, I say a lot lately. 2019-11-16 10-22-38 PST brynn @NPJ2000 Ok, I have you approved as a moderator. Now you need to look in the menu under your name, in the upper right corner, and click on Moderation.

At the top of that page is a link to Moderation Page Instructions. It tells you how to use that page. And there is a good deal of reading to do to learn how to moderate in the forum as well. This message gives a link to the full version of the Rules and Guidelines https://inkscape.org/forums/forum-news/forum-rules/ And then find the Moderation board, and there are 2 sticky topics there with instructions for using the forum moderation tools.

Just let me know if you have any questions. 2019-11-16 10-01-38 PST brynn Sorry, I was locked out by Bad Gateway. Back now. 2019-11-21 06-39-05 PST brynn You live in CO, or you just have a phone number here? Are you asking me to call? Or just sharing? 2019-11-16 10-26-28 PST brynn Why do you print things out? Not a problem, just curious. 2019-11-21 08-21-00 PST brynn Thanks. Yes, I know they understand about differences. That's fine. 2019-11-16 10-34-25 PST brynn For my degree, I was required to take one computer programming class, because "computers are the future". It was PL1. 2019-11-21 09-26-15 PST brynn Hhmm... Maybe you can help me to write better instructions? It seems like they might not be clear enough.

Typically, to start moderating, I visit the gallery, using the Last Uploaded viewing order (in the right column). That way, you see the newest images, as they are uploaded. One drawback is that whenever someone edits an image or resource (especially extensions are edited quite often) it shows back up as a new image. But it's a minor distraction.

I hope someday we will switch to a system where images must be approved before they "go live". But for now, sometimes spam goes live for a while, before someone sees it.

I look at each new image, since the last time I visited. If it needs to be flagged or curated, I do that. (I'm skipping over WHY images might be flagged or curated because I think it might be easier for you to just watch on the Moderation Page, to see why we flag images. It's on-the-job training!) That's partly why leaving notes about why you flag an image is so important. But I could go into detail, if you like.

Then I move on to the Moderation Page, and check to make sure nothing has been wrongly handled by other moderators. (We currently have a problematic moderator, which is a long story, and I can explain all about that, if you decide to take on the leader role.) If a member needs to be contacted about something, I do that (photos, and images with unviewable formats). I keep a sort of form letter, that I just copy/paste into the website PM system, and change the details. (Some moderators prefer to use the image Comment system for moderating. But I think members are generally embarrassed when they are moderated, so I almost always do it privately.) And then I vote as needed.

You can visit as often as you like. We appreciate however much time you can spare. Right now, I think Maren and I are the only ones who watch the gallery. 2 of the other moderators only work in the forum. And the other one mostly votes on the moderation page, but sometimes flags images too. I think he visits the forum too, but I don't think he understands everything.

This is something that I would change, if I could dictate the policy. I would require that all moderators participate in all parts of moderation. Obviously there's a lot I would change. But this is the system we have to work with.

Then I go to the forum and read all the new messages. I answer those I can answer, and handle various moderation issues as I go.

Personally, I guess I'm online 3 to 5 days per week. I keep strange hours though.

The chatrooms are not integrated into the rest of website moderation. So if you want to moderate in the chatroom, contact jabiertxof. I'm not totally confortable moderating in the chat, since I don't use it very often. It seems like I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, one day, haha. But if I happen to be around when needed, I'm glad to help. 2019-11-16 10-32-41 PST brynn Sounds like you might be about my same age. I graduated with BS in Forestry in 1980. 2019-11-21 09-41-31 PST brynn Anytime! 2019-11-21 08-28-40 PST brynn Thanks. I'm not sure exactly what info you asked about (in the other channel). So just ask whatever you want to know. 2019-11-16 10-31-26 PST brynn Well, I should say that all that stuff I wrote is not really very professional, or professionally written. Very ordinary, very factual. 2019-11-16 10-33-32 PST brynn omg, I hear that!! I still can't stop typing the double space at the end of sentences! 2019-11-16 10-36-41 PST brynn And it was the punch cards and the computer lab. No PCs y et. 2019-11-21 07-47-09 PST brynn @NPJ2000 I'm probably not a good representative for open source. Inkscape is my first experience in any kind of development community, and I'm still very much a student. Plus, Martin and I are more at odds over pushing the website to be 100% open source, to the exclusion of any proprieatary product. I might be more of a head-scratcher, like your collegues.

From your comments, I can't quite infer what you or your collegues do. Something about land use or inheritance?

I'll tell you a little about myself. I'm not entirely healthy. I first found Inkscape when I got my first PC....probably in the late 90's because it was Windows 95, shortly after my medical disability claim was awarded. I find creativity is a healing kind of energy. I'm not even much of an artist. I just enjoy playing with Inkscape. I got involved with the first forum to learn how to use Inkscape. And I stuck around as a way of giving back. That forum owner looked like was about to disappear, a couple of years later. I always thought it might be interesting to run a forum, so I started another forum, just in case that one failed. Also, there were things I wanted for the Inkscape community, which were non-existant at the time (a gallery, tutorials, and centralized resources). A year later, Martin started to develop the Inkscape website, and invited me to help. He started to develop most of the things that I thought were missing.

I volunteered to moderate on the website, and later the new forum, because I assumed it would be like moderating on any other website. But it has turned out to be a system which I dislike and can't work with. Also, this community asks more than twice as much time as most websites ask of moderators. I'll be resigning from moderation at the end of this year. I think it will take Martin seeing firsthand what all he's asking of moderators, before he realizes how much work it is. He has virtually ignored every comment I've made on the amount of work being too much. I suspect he's never had any expereince with moderation before, based on what I see as naive ideas.

Oh, I just saw your message in the Website channel. We can continue to chat, or PM or email. The project will need a new team leader for moderators. So if you're interested, I haven't heard of anyone else who is interested.@ 2019-11-16 10-29-42 PST brynn You must have a background with higher education? It's hard to image the social media crowd using the old sort of analog methods. 2019-11-21 08-24-21 PST brynn I know that the goal is compromise. But the moderation system is too far for me to compromise. I would do all the the work, and not complain, if I it was a system I could work with. 2019-11-21 09-39-42 PST brynn Oh sorry. For the gallery, I click on Community menu > Gallery, then switch to Last Updated (https://inkscape.org/gallery/?order=-edited)

Then if you go to the little black tab in the top-right corner, with your name, and choose Moderation, that's the Moderation page (https://inkscape.org/moderation/)

The forum is https://inkscape.org/forums/