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Dear Board,
I would like to ask for the board's help about the following issue:
The main Inkscape forum, at http://www.inkscapeforum.com, is maintained by a single admin (microugly, see whois entry of the site for more details), who is the only one with access to server, database and user permissions.
The admin seems to be 'alive', indicated by private messages to microugly being read, and the 'Last active' display in the user's profil e (http://www.inkscapeforum.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2).
Unfortunately, for a long time, nobody has been able to successfully make contact with microugly (the last time I got a response was in October last year). Martin Owens and I tried to contact microugly via email and launchpad account, and other forum members report sending private forum messages repeatedly.
There is currently only a single moderator taking care of spam (Lazur), and the spamming is getting more. The moderator has already declared that he will (understandably) not go on doing this forever, if the admin does not answer his requests for more spam protection and allowing more people to help soon.
There are other users who would volunteer to help, but aside from the forum owner, there's nobody who could give them the required permissions (or do updates to the site etc.).
As the forum is labelled "The official Inkscape 'users' forum", and is a very valuable resource for users, I think this is important for the Inkscape project.
It would be a pity for the domain name and the collected info being drowned in spam when the only active moderator gives up.
Can you help with this issue?
Additional info: - ---------------- An alternative forum is maintained by Brynn, at http://inkscapecommunity.com/. It's currently a lot less active than inkscapeforum.com and thus, has a smaller information base. It's also quite a bit slower. Its maintainer, however, is very responsive, and it has a collection of well-curated information.
The Inkscape project itself does not have a forum, but there have been discussions about this on the devel mailing list (but no volunteers to add one to the website).
The current forum community discussion can be found here: http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=20489
Kind regards, Maren
Thanks for posting Maren,
My own thoughts are that we should contact the site owner directly as a board, if we receive no reply within a month, then we will look into domain dispute process regarding the trademark use.
We should also look into a technical replacement. Maren, would you be able to look into this for us? It can either be another bb forum, or the website, or something similar.
What do other board members think?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 17:00 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
Dear Board,
I would like to ask for the board's help about the following issue:
The main Inkscape forum, at http://www.inkscapeforum.com, is maintained by a single admin (microugly, see whois entry of the site for more details), who is the only one with access to server, database and user permissions.
The admin seems to be 'alive', indicated by private messages to microugly being read, and the 'Last active' display in the user's profil e (http://www.inkscapeforum.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2).
Unfortunately, for a long time, nobody has been able to successfully make contact with microugly (the last time I got a response was in October last year). Martin Owens and I tried to contact microugly via email and launchpad account, and other forum members report sending private forum messages repeatedly.
There is currently only a single moderator taking care of spam (Lazur), and the spamming is getting more. The moderator has already declared that he will (understandably) not go on doing this forever, if the admin does not answer his requests for more spam protection and allowing more people to help soon.
There are other users who would volunteer to help, but aside from the forum owner, there's nobody who could give them the required permissions (or do updates to the site etc.).
As the forum is labelled "The official Inkscape 'users' forum", and is a very valuable resource for users, I think this is important for the Inkscape project.
It would be a pity for the domain name and the collected info being drowned in spam when the only active moderator gives up.
Can you help with this issue?
Additional info:
An alternative forum is maintained by Brynn, at http://inkscapecommunity.com/. It's currently a lot less active than inkscapeforum.com and thus, has a smaller information base. It's also quite a bit slower. Its maintainer, however, is very responsive, and it has a collection of well-curated information.
The Inkscape project itself does not have a forum, but there have been discussions about this on the devel mailing list (but no volunteers to add one to the website).
The current forum community discussion can be found here: http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=20489
Kind regards, Maren
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On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 02:10:18PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
Thanks for posting Maren,
My own thoughts are that we should contact the site owner directly as a board, if we receive no reply within a month, then we will look into domain dispute process regarding the trademark use.
We should also look into a technical replacement. Maren, would you be able to look into this for us? It can either be another bb forum, or the website, or something similar.
What do other board members think?
Running infrastructure software is a fair bit of work, and especially with user discussions and moderation and spam, there's annoyances and politics and security issues to deal with. So, offhand and just as general philosophy I've appreciated that third parties set up and run discussion forums on their own independently of us. I think we save work on ourselves and stimulate community goodwill by fostering third party efforts for forums.
Going forward, if relying on third party forum sites isn't cutting it any more, I'd certainly not be opposed to having a forums.inkscape.org or similar, if we have folks willing to put in the time to administer. I don't think we should pursue domain name takeover; the site's been operating in good faith otherwise and has been a service to the community, so that doesn't sit well with me. We're all largely volunteers and have real lives, so time availability can come and go; if the site's gone defunct well I sympathize with the operator.
Now, that said, I feel we do have some ownership on whether a site can claim to be the "official Inkscape forum", and we can control that via a link from our site (and perhaps maybe even a forums.inkscape.org redirect?) I'm totally ok with us notifying inkscapeforum.com that we are considering no longer designating them as official, due to spam complaints, with the carrot of linking to their site if they get things straitened up in a timely fashion.
If that doesn't pan out and inkscapeforum.com is indeed looking to be a lost cause, before we consider any further steps I'd like to hear from Brynn on her plans and wishes with regards to her forum site.
Bryce
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 17:00 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
Dear Board,
I would like to ask for the board's help about the following issue:
The main Inkscape forum, at http://www.inkscapeforum.com, is maintained by a single admin (microugly, see whois entry of the site for more details), who is the only one with access to server, database and user permissions.
The admin seems to be 'alive', indicated by private messages to microugly being read, and the 'Last active' display in the user's profil e (http://www.inkscapeforum.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2).
Unfortunately, for a long time, nobody has been able to successfully make contact with microugly (the last time I got a response was in October last year). Martin Owens and I tried to contact microugly via email and launchpad account, and other forum members report sending private forum messages repeatedly.
There is currently only a single moderator taking care of spam (Lazur), and the spamming is getting more. The moderator has already declared that he will (understandably) not go on doing this forever, if the admin does not answer his requests for more spam protection and allowing more people to help soon.
There are other users who would volunteer to help, but aside from the forum owner, there's nobody who could give them the required permissions (or do updates to the site etc.).
As the forum is labelled "The official Inkscape 'users' forum", and is a very valuable resource for users, I think this is important for the Inkscape project.
It would be a pity for the domain name and the collected info being drowned in spam when the only active moderator gives up.
Can you help with this issue?
Additional info:
An alternative forum is maintained by Brynn, at http://inkscapecommunity.com/. It's currently a lot less active than inkscapeforum.com and thus, has a smaller information base. It's also quite a bit slower. Its maintainer, however, is very responsive, and it has a collection of well-curated information.
The Inkscape project itself does not have a forum, but there have been discussions about this on the devel mailing list (but no volunteers to add one to the website).
The current forum community discussion can be found here: http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=20489
Kind regards, Maren
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Martin Owens