[REFERENDUM] Paying GSoC mentors for mentoring
All board members, please vote on each of the following proposals.
Proposals:
1. We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. Should we:
[ ] a. Keep the money for the Inkscape organization [ ] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
2. If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[ ] a. Yes, withhold 10% of mentor payments for the Conservancy [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
3. If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[ ] a. Yes, keep 10% for the Inkscape organization. [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Background:
Historically most mentors have let Inkscape keep the $500, but it was always our (unwritten) intention that the disposition of this money was up to the discretion of the mentor. More recently mentors have asked to be paid this money, so they can use it for offsetting travel costs for LGM and GSoC events, or for other purposes.
However, Bradley Kuhn points out that this is not the standard policy of Google; they merely pay out the $500/mentor to the organization, and it's up to them what to do with it. Our involvement in GSoC pre-dates the existance of the Inkscape board, and thus our approach is more of a tradition than an official policy. Mr. Kuhn wishes to know our official policy on this matter.
He has also asked that we consider contributing 10% of money received by Inkscape back to the Conservancy (see the other referendum posted today), to help offset costs for bookkeeping and other needs. There is a question as to whether this 10% would be required of mentor payments as well.
Bryce
1b 2a 3b
Cheers, Josh On Nov 14, 2012 7:20 PM, "Bryce Harrington" <bryce@...24...> wrote:
All board members, please vote on each of the following proposals.
Proposals:
We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. Should we:
[ ] a. Keep the money for the Inkscape organization [ ] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[ ] a. Yes, withhold 10% of mentor payments for the Conservancy [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[ ] a. Yes, keep 10% for the Inkscape organization. [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Background:
Historically most mentors have let Inkscape keep the $500, but it was always our (unwritten) intention that the disposition of this money was up to the discretion of the mentor. More recently mentors have asked to be paid this money, so they can use it for offsetting travel costs for LGM and GSoC events, or for other purposes.
However, Bradley Kuhn points out that this is not the standard policy of Google; they merely pay out the $500/mentor to the organization, and it's up to them what to do with it. Our involvement in GSoC pre-dates the existance of the Inkscape board, and thus our approach is more of a tradition than an official policy. Mr. Kuhn wishes to know our official policy on this matter.
He has also asked that we consider contributing 10% of money received by Inkscape back to the Conservancy (see the other referendum posted today), to help offset costs for bookkeeping and other needs. There is a question as to whether this 10% would be required of mentor payments as well.
Bryce
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As a mentor for 2012, I have a conflict of interest so I will abstain for the moment.
Tav
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 19:19 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
All board members, please vote on each of the following proposals.
Proposals:
We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. Should we:
[ ] a. Keep the money for the Inkscape organization [ ] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[ ] a. Yes, withhold 10% of mentor payments for the Conservancy [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[ ] a. Yes, keep 10% for the Inkscape organization. [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Background:
Historically most mentors have let Inkscape keep the $500, but it was always our (unwritten) intention that the disposition of this money was up to the discretion of the mentor. More recently mentors have asked to be paid this money, so they can use it for offsetting travel costs for LGM and GSoC events, or for other purposes.
However, Bradley Kuhn points out that this is not the standard policy of Google; they merely pay out the $500/mentor to the organization, and it's up to them what to do with it. Our involvement in GSoC pre-dates the existance of the Inkscape board, and thus our approach is more of a tradition than an official policy. Mr. Kuhn wishes to know our official policy on this matter.
He has also asked that we consider contributing 10% of money received by Inkscape back to the Conservancy (see the other referendum posted today), to help offset costs for bookkeeping and other needs. There is a question as to whether this 10% would be required of mentor payments as well.
Bryce
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1b 2b 3b
Since Josh and I disagree on 2, I'll explain my reasoning. I feel like the only reason a mentor would want the $500 is that he/she needs the cash as a student or some other reason. Since the majority of mentors have donated it back, so that revenue stream is already there, I don't think we need to earmark it on those that want to get it paid to themselves.
I'll also note that the questions are slightly unclear, in that if someone was to vote 1b, 2a, 3a, would the mentor get 81% or 80%? I'm assuming that it should be 80% (as if nothing else, that's easier). But I wanted to bring it up in case anyone was concerned.
--Ted
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 19:19 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
All board members, please vote on each of the following proposals.
Proposals:
We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. Should we:
[ ] a. Keep the money for the Inkscape organization [ ] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[ ] a. Yes, withhold 10% of mentor payments for the Conservancy [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[ ] a. Yes, keep 10% for the Inkscape organization. [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Background:
Historically most mentors have let Inkscape keep the $500, but it was always our (unwritten) intention that the disposition of this money was up to the discretion of the mentor. More recently mentors have asked to be paid this money, so they can use it for offsetting travel costs for LGM and GSoC events, or for other purposes.
However, Bradley Kuhn points out that this is not the standard policy of Google; they merely pay out the $500/mentor to the organization, and it's up to them what to do with it. Our involvement in GSoC pre-dates the existance of the Inkscape board, and thus our approach is more of a tradition than an official policy. Mr. Kuhn wishes to know our official policy on this matter.
He has also asked that we consider contributing 10% of money received by Inkscape back to the Conservancy (see the other referendum posted today), to help offset costs for bookkeeping and other needs. There is a question as to whether this 10% would be required of mentor payments as well.
Bryce
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On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 01:59:16PM -0600, Ted Gould wrote:
1b 2b 3b
Since Josh and I disagree on 2, I'll explain my reasoning. I feel like the only reason a mentor would want the $500 is that he/she needs the cash as a student or some other reason. Since the majority of mentors have donated it back, so that revenue stream is already there, I don't think we need to earmark it on those that want to get it paid to themselves.
I'll also note that the questions are slightly unclear, in that if someone was to vote 1b, 2a, 3a, would the mentor get 81% or 80%? I'm assuming that it should be 80% (as if nothing else, that's easier). But I wanted to bring it up in case anyone was concerned.
Yes, the 'this' in the question refers to the '$500/mentor' amount stated earlier in the sentence. So 1b, 2a, 3a would result in a 20% total withheld.
Bryce
--TedOn Wed, 2012-11-14 at 19:19 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
All board members, please vote on each of the following proposals.
Proposals:
We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. Should we:
[ ] a. Keep the money for the Inkscape organization [ ] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[ ] a. Yes, withhold 10% of mentor payments for the Conservancy [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[ ] a. Yes, keep 10% for the Inkscape organization. [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Background:
Historically most mentors have let Inkscape keep the $500, but it was always our (unwritten) intention that the disposition of this money was up to the discretion of the mentor. More recently mentors have asked to be paid this money, so they can use it for offsetting travel costs for LGM and GSoC events, or for other purposes.
However, Bradley Kuhn points out that this is not the standard policy of Google; they merely pay out the $500/mentor to the organization, and it's up to them what to do with it. Our involvement in GSoC pre-dates the existance of the Inkscape board, and thus our approach is more of a tradition than an official policy. Mr. Kuhn wishes to know our official policy on this matter.
He has also asked that we consider contributing 10% of money received by Inkscape back to the Conservancy (see the other referendum posted today), to help offset costs for bookkeeping and other needs. There is a question as to whether this 10% would be required of mentor payments as well.
Bryce
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Hello all,
(the conflict of interest is obvious, but if it helps I want 'my' mentor money to stay with Inkscape. Also, many of us are likely to be mentors next year, so...)
1. b (see below) 2. b 3. b
About 1. , I would like there to be no default. So the mentor has to explicitly say "Inkscape keeps it"/"I'd like to have it for myself". This to combat the bias of choosing the default option.
Note that I don't have much knowledge of Inkscape's financial affairs. I don't know how much money Inkscape needs, and if we actually need the money or not.
Regards, Johan
On 15-11-2012 4:19, Bryce Harrington wrote:
All board members, please vote on each of the following proposals.
Proposals:
We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. Should we:
[ ] a. Keep the money for the Inkscape organization [ ] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[ ] a. Yes, withhold 10% of mentor payments for the Conservancy [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[ ] a. Yes, keep 10% for the Inkscape organization. [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Background:
Historically most mentors have let Inkscape keep the $500, but it was always our (unwritten) intention that the disposition of this money was up to the discretion of the mentor. More recently mentors have asked to be paid this money, so they can use it for offsetting travel costs for LGM and GSoC events, or for other purposes.
However, Bradley Kuhn points out that this is not the standard policy of Google; they merely pay out the $500/mentor to the organization, and it's up to them what to do with it. Our involvement in GSoC pre-dates the existance of the Inkscape board, and thus our approach is more of a tradition than an official policy. Mr. Kuhn wishes to know our official policy on this matter.
He has also asked that we consider contributing 10% of money received by Inkscape back to the Conservancy (see the other referendum posted today), to help offset costs for bookkeeping and other needs. There is a question as to whether this 10% would be required of mentor payments as well.
Bryce
On Sat, 2012-11-17 at 20:05 +0100, Johan Engelen wrote:
Note that I don't have much knowledge of Inkscape's financial affairs. I don't know how much money Inkscape needs, and if we actually need the money or not.
In general, I'd describe our finances as "don't have a lot of money, but don't need a lot of money." We don't have anything that way pay regularly, but we do get in money from GSoC and Packt and donations. Generally we've used that kinda ad hoc for things as they've come up.
Most of what we'd have as costs otherwise are gotten through free services. We use Launchpad and Sourceforge for a lot of our server costs. The Conservancy donates its services to us. SFLC did the work for the trademark for us. etc. etc.
I think that we should probably come up with some ideas both on the generating and spending side of finances, but we don't have any today. Proposals welcome!
--Ted
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Ted Gould wrote:
SFLC did the work for the trademark for us. etc. etc.
Sorry about meddling, but this must have slipped my attention:
Inkscape has a trademark now? Since when? Who is the owner? What are the rules of use?
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 08:16 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Ted Gould wrote:
SFLC did the work for the trademark for us. etc. etc.
Sorry about meddling, but this must have slipped my attention:
Inkscape has a trademark now? Since when? Who is the owner? What are the rules of use?
Yeah, we have for a few years now (I can get the exact date if needed). We have trademarked the name, logo and the phrase "Draw Freely." It is handled similar to the money where the Conservancy holds it in trust for the project. Same with the domain name, etc. We don't have a formal set of rules of use (long story, perhaps over beer sometime, it'll be better then) but I think we're close. To over simplify a bunch of legal text it is: "Don't pretend to be us, otherwise you're cool." We should have something that'll make lawyers happy soon as well, which should simplify things like the Red Hat folks trying to make stickers.
--Ted
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:25:41AM -0600, Ted Gould wrote:
On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 08:16 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Ted Gould wrote:
SFLC did the work for the trademark for us. etc. etc.
Sorry about meddling, but this must have slipped my attention:
Inkscape has a trademark now? Since when? Who is the owner? What are the rules of use?
Yeah, we have for a few years now (I can get the exact date if needed). We have trademarked the name, logo and the phrase "Draw Freely." It is handled similar to the money where the Conservancy holds it in trust for the project. Same with the domain name, etc. We don't have a formal set of rules of use (long story, perhaps over beer sometime, it'll be better then) but I think we're close. To over simplify a bunch of legal text it is: "Don't pretend to be us, otherwise you're cool." We should have something that'll make lawyers happy soon as well, which should simplify things like the Red Hat folks trying to make stickers.
You know, Alexandre raises a good point that this change hasn't been very widely publicized. I don't think this is anything controversial but makes sense that it should be made more publically visible. Could you and/or he work on a news blurb for the inkscape.org front page that we're in the final stages of this?
Bryce
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
You know, Alexandre raises a good point that this change hasn't been very widely publicized. I don't think this is anything controversial but makes sense that it should be made more publically visible. Could you and/or he work on a news blurb for the inkscape.org front page that we're in the final stages of this?
I've just committed a draft of a news post on board changes and the trademark to SVN. Feel free to adjust. Let me know when to run the script on the server.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 09:57:03PM -0600, Ted Gould wrote:
On Sat, 2012-11-17 at 20:05 +0100, Johan Engelen wrote:
Note that I don't have much knowledge of Inkscape's financial affairs. I don't know how much money Inkscape needs, and if we actually need the money or not.
In general, I'd describe our finances as "don't have a lot of money, but don't need a lot of money." We don't have anything that way pay regularly, but we do get in money from GSoC and Packt and donations. Generally we've used that kinda ad hoc for things as they've come up.
Yeah, we get just enough income that it keeps us busy managing it, but not enough income to do interesting things with it. I think it amounts to a few thousand a year; I'd guess roughly half is from the GSoC $500/mentor payments, so varies a lot depending on whether mentors contribute or keep that.
So, it's a non-trivial amount, but not really enough to for instance pay for everyone's airfare or pay a developer's salary.
Most of what we'd have as costs otherwise are gotten through free services. We use Launchpad and Sourceforge for a lot of our server costs. The Conservancy donates its services to us. SFLC did the work for the trademark for us. etc. etc.
I think that we should probably come up with some ideas both on the generating and spending side of finances, but we don't have any today. Proposals welcome!
I agree, I'd love to see some proposals for putting some of this money to work. In particular, with what we have right now it'd be nice to see proposals for $1000-2000 increments.
There has been talk about holding fundraisers. If we had a good project proposal that would cost significantly more than what we have in the coffers, we might have good luck making it a public solicitation. People may be more interested in making donations to a specific targeted effort. What we need is a good plan and someone to get it organized and off the ground.
Bryce
On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 11:48 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 09:57:03PM -0600, Ted Gould wrote:
On Sat, 2012-11-17 at 20:05 +0100, Johan Engelen wrote:
Note that I don't have much knowledge of Inkscape's financial affairs. I don't know how much money Inkscape needs, and if we actually need the money or not.
In general, I'd describe our finances as "don't have a lot of money, but don't need a lot of money." We don't have anything that way pay regularly, but we do get in money from GSoC and Packt and donations. Generally we've used that kinda ad hoc for things as they've come up.
Yeah, we get just enough income that it keeps us busy managing it, but not enough income to do interesting things with it. I think it amounts to a few thousand a year; I'd guess roughly half is from the GSoC $500/mentor payments, so varies a lot depending on whether mentors contribute or keep that.
So, it's a non-trivial amount, but not really enough to for instance pay for everyone's airfare or pay a developer's salary.
We should really have this publicly available on our website.
Most of what we'd have as costs otherwise are gotten through free services. We use Launchpad and Sourceforge for a lot of our server costs. The Conservancy donates its services to us. SFLC did the work for the trademark for us. etc. etc.
I think that we should probably come up with some ideas both on the generating and spending side of finances, but we don't have any today. Proposals welcome!
I agree, I'd love to see some proposals for putting some of this money to work. In particular, with what we have right now it'd be nice to see proposals for $1000-2000 increments.
I would like to see hacking session organized. The QuantumGIS group had a session at the Linux hotel in Essen:
http://www.linuxhotel.de/community.en.html
There has been talk about holding fundraisers. If we had a good project proposal that would cost significantly more than what we have in the coffers, we might have good luck making it a public solicitation. People may be more interested in making donations to a specific targeted effort. What we need is a good plan and someone to get it organized and off the ground.
When I talked to Bradley Kuhn at the GSOC Mentor's meeting he offered to help us raise money once the agreement with SFC is updated. (Note, he has been much more responsive lately now that he is working at the SFC full time.)
The update to the SFC agreements should also be discussed publicly. One of my short term goals is to get an updated board page on our wiki.
Tav
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 09:43:33PM +0100, Tavmjong Bah wrote:
On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 11:48 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 09:57:03PM -0600, Ted Gould wrote:
On Sat, 2012-11-17 at 20:05 +0100, Johan Engelen wrote:
Note that I don't have much knowledge of Inkscape's financial affairs. I don't know how much money Inkscape needs, and if we actually need the money or not.
In general, I'd describe our finances as "don't have a lot of money, but don't need a lot of money." We don't have anything that way pay regularly, but we do get in money from GSoC and Packt and donations. Generally we've used that kinda ad hoc for things as they've come up.
Yeah, we get just enough income that it keeps us busy managing it, but not enough income to do interesting things with it. I think it amounts to a few thousand a year; I'd guess roughly half is from the GSoC $500/mentor payments, so varies a lot depending on whether mentors contribute or keep that.
So, it's a non-trivial amount, but not really enough to for instance pay for everyone's airfare or pay a developer's salary.
We should really have this publicly available on our website.
Most of what we'd have as costs otherwise are gotten through free services. We use Launchpad and Sourceforge for a lot of our server costs. The Conservancy donates its services to us. SFLC did the work for the trademark for us. etc. etc.
I think that we should probably come up with some ideas both on the generating and spending side of finances, but we don't have any today. Proposals welcome!
I agree, I'd love to see some proposals for putting some of this money to work. In particular, with what we have right now it'd be nice to see proposals for $1000-2000 increments.
I would like to see hacking session organized. The QuantumGIS group had a session at the Linux hotel in Essen:
Would you be interested in organizing such a hacking session?
That link looks like it would make for a very cost-effective option, I like it.
Offhand, I think to be fair the board might want to decide a standard $$/developer (and maybe a smaller standardized $$/attendee?) to fund per event for hacking sessions. The event organizer could then propose how to split that funding. So in cases where an upfront fee has to be paid to the hotel, less would be available per person, whereas in more cost effective option like linuxhotel, a larger portion can go towards food and travel costs.
Hacking sessions tacked onto the start or end of another event (like LGM) might be something worth considering as well, if someone would like to organize it.
There has been talk about holding fundraisers. If we had a good project proposal that would cost significantly more than what we have in the coffers, we might have good luck making it a public solicitation. People may be more interested in making donations to a specific targeted effort. What we need is a good plan and someone to get it organized and off the ground.
When I talked to Bradley Kuhn at the GSOC Mentor's meeting he offered to help us raise money once the agreement with SFC is updated. (Note, he has been much more responsive lately now that he is working at the SFC full time.)
True, if they're getting 10% of it, they'd have good motivation to help. With their help we could well end up receiving more than otherwise, which would be a nice win-win.
The update to the SFC agreements should also be discussed publicly. One of my short term goals is to get an updated board page on our wiki.
Thanks, that sounds like a sensible idea. If you could take the task of updating it periodically with stuff being discussed, I'd bet developers would appreciate it. Or even just a link to the list archives would help.
bryce
Here are my votes:
1b 2b 3b
Bryce
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 07:19:59PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
All board members, please vote on each of the following proposals.
Proposals:
We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. Should we:
[ ] a. Keep the money for the Inkscape organization [ ] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[ ] a. Yes, withhold 10% of mentor payments for the Conservancy [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[ ] a. Yes, keep 10% for the Inkscape organization. [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Background:
Historically most mentors have let Inkscape keep the $500, but it was always our (unwritten) intention that the disposition of this money was up to the discretion of the mentor. More recently mentors have asked to be paid this money, so they can use it for offsetting travel costs for LGM and GSoC events, or for other purposes.
However, Bradley Kuhn points out that this is not the standard policy of Google; they merely pay out the $500/mentor to the organization, and it's up to them what to do with it. Our involvement in GSoC pre-dates the existance of the Inkscape board, and thus our approach is more of a tradition than an official policy. Mr. Kuhn wishes to know our official policy on this matter.
He has also asked that we consider contributing 10% of money received by Inkscape back to the Conservancy (see the other referendum posted today), to help offset costs for bookkeeping and other needs. There is a question as to whether this 10% would be required of mentor payments as well.
Bryce
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1 2 3 -------------------------------------------------- Josh Andler b a b Tavmjong Bah - - - Ted Gould b b b Johan Engelen b b b Bryce Harrington b b b Tim Cole ? ? ? Jon Cruz ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------- Result: b ? b
Tim, Jon, and/or Tavmjong* need to vote at least on item #2.
Tav had recused himself from voting on these proposals due to conflict of interest, however at least for proposal #2 I think the possible conflict is minimal; indeed I think it *would* be valuable to get an actual mentor's opinion included in our voting.
Bryce
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 07:19:59PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
All board members, please vote on each of the following proposals.
Proposals:
We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. Should we:
[ ] a. Keep the money for the Inkscape organization [ ] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[ ] a. Yes, withhold 10% of mentor payments for the Conservancy [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[ ] a. Yes, keep 10% for the Inkscape organization. [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Background:
Historically most mentors have let Inkscape keep the $500, but it was always our (unwritten) intention that the disposition of this money was up to the discretion of the mentor. More recently mentors have asked to be paid this money, so they can use it for offsetting travel costs for LGM and GSoC events, or for other purposes.
However, Bradley Kuhn points out that this is not the standard policy of Google; they merely pay out the $500/mentor to the organization, and it's up to them what to do with it. Our involvement in GSoC pre-dates the existance of the Inkscape board, and thus our approach is more of a tradition than an official policy. Mr. Kuhn wishes to know our official policy on this matter.
He has also asked that we consider contributing 10% of money received by Inkscape back to the Conservancy (see the other referendum posted today), to help offset costs for bookkeeping and other needs. There is a question as to whether this 10% would be required of mentor payments as well.
Bryce
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My inclination is:
1b 2b 3b
with the caveat that 3b is predicated on 1b being presented to mentors as opt-in, rather than opt-out.
-mental
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:36:14 -0800, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...24...> wrote:
1 2 3
Josh Andler b a b Tavmjong Bah - - - Ted Gould b b b Johan Engelen b b b Bryce Harrington b b b Tim Cole ? ? ? Jon Cruz ? ? ?
Result: b ? b
Tim, Jon, and/or Tavmjong* need to vote at least on item #2.
Tav had recused himself from voting on these proposals due to conflict of interest, however at least for proposal #2 I think the possible conflict is minimal; indeed I think it *would* be valuable to get an actual mentor's opinion included in our voting.
Bryce
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 07:19:59PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
All board members, please vote on each of the following proposals.
Proposals:
We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. Should we:
[ ] a. Keep the money for the Inkscape organization [ ] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[ ] a. Yes, withhold 10% of mentor payments for the Conservancy [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[ ] a. Yes, keep 10% for the Inkscape organization. [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Background:
Historically most mentors have let Inkscape keep the $500, but it was always our (unwritten) intention that the disposition of this money was up to the discretion of the mentor. More recently mentors have asked to be paid this money, so they can use it for offsetting travel costs for LGM and GSoC events, or for other purposes.
However, Bradley Kuhn points out that this is not the standard policy of Google; they merely pay out the $500/mentor to the organization, and it's up to them what to do with it. Our involvement in GSoC pre-dates the existance of the Inkscape board, and thus our approach is more of a tradition than an official policy. Mr. Kuhn wishes to know our official policy on this matter.
He has also asked that we consider contributing 10% of money received by Inkscape back to the Conservancy (see the other referendum posted today), to help offset costs for bookkeeping and other needs. There is a question as to whether this 10% would be required of mentor payments as well.
Bryce
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1 2 3 ----------------------------------------- Josh Andler b a b Tavmjong Bah - - - Ted Gould b b b Johan Engelen b b b Bryce Harrington b b b Mental Guy b b b Jon Cruz ? ? ? ----------------------------------------- Final Result: b b b
1. We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. We will:
[X] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
2. If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[X] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
3. If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[X] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Thank you all for voting on this matter.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 03:19:03PM -0800, MenTaLguY wrote:
My inclination is:
1b 2b 3b
with the caveat that 3b is predicated on 1b being presented to mentors as opt-in, rather than opt-out.
-mental
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:36:14 -0800, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...24...> wrote:
1 2 3
Josh Andler b a b Tavmjong Bah - - - Ted Gould b b b Johan Engelen b b b Bryce Harrington b b b Tim Cole ? ? ? Jon Cruz ? ? ?
Result: b ? b
Tim, Jon, and/or Tavmjong* need to vote at least on item #2.
Tav had recused himself from voting on these proposals due to conflict of interest, however at least for proposal #2 I think the possible conflict is minimal; indeed I think it *would* be valuable to get an actual mentor's opinion included in our voting.
Bryce
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 07:19:59PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
All board members, please vote on each of the following proposals.
Proposals:
We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. Should we:
[ ] a. Keep the money for the Inkscape organization [ ] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[ ] a. Yes, withhold 10% of mentor payments for the Conservancy [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[ ] a. Yes, keep 10% for the Inkscape organization. [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Background:
Historically most mentors have let Inkscape keep the $500, but it was always our (unwritten) intention that the disposition of this money was up to the discretion of the mentor. More recently mentors have asked to be paid this money, so they can use it for offsetting travel costs for LGM and GSoC events, or for other purposes.
However, Bradley Kuhn points out that this is not the standard policy of Google; they merely pay out the $500/mentor to the organization, and it's up to them what to do with it. Our involvement in GSoC pre-dates the existance of the Inkscape board, and thus our approach is more of a tradition than an official policy. Mr. Kuhn wishes to know our official policy on this matter.
He has also asked that we consider contributing 10% of money received by Inkscape back to the Conservancy (see the other referendum posted today), to help offset costs for bookkeeping and other needs. There is a question as to whether this 10% would be required of mentor payments as well.
Bryce
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 12:08 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
1 2 3
Josh Andler b a b Tavmjong Bah - - - Ted Gould b b b Johan Engelen b b b Bryce Harrington b b b Mental Guy b b b Jon Cruz ? ? ?
Final Result: b b b
We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. We will:
[X] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[X] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[X] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Thank you all for voting on this matter.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 03:19:03PM -0800, MenTaLguY wrote:
My inclination is:
1b 2b 3b
with the caveat that 3b is predicated on 1b being presented to mentors as opt-in, rather than opt-out.
-mental
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:36:14 -0800, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...24...> wrote:
1 2 3
Josh Andler b a b Tavmjong Bah - - - Ted Gould b b b Johan Engelen b b b Bryce Harrington b b b Tim Cole ? ? ? Jon Cruz ? ? ?
Result: b ? b
Tim, Jon, and/or Tavmjong* need to vote at least on item #2.
Tav had recused himself from voting on these proposals due to conflict of interest, however at least for proposal #2 I think the possible conflict is minimal; indeed I think it *would* be valuable to get an actual mentor's opinion included in our voting.
Bryce
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 07:19:59PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
All board members, please vote on each of the following proposals.
Proposals:
We (the Inkscape organization) receive $500/mentor paid by Google. Should we:
[ ] a. Keep the money for the Inkscape organization [ ] b. Pay it to the mentor. The mentor can opt to refuse the payment, in which case it will go to the Inkscape organization.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be given back to the Software Freedom Conservancy?
[ ] a. Yes, withhold 10% of mentor payments for the Conservancy [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
If the $500/mentor payments are made to the mentor (1b), should 10% of this amount be kept for Inkscape itself?
[ ] a. Yes, keep 10% for the Inkscape organization. [ ] b. No, do not withhold 10% from mentor payments.
Background:
Historically most mentors have let Inkscape keep the $500, but it was always our (unwritten) intention that the disposition of this money was up to the discretion of the mentor. More recently mentors have asked to be paid this money, so they can use it for offsetting travel costs for LGM and GSoC events, or for other purposes.
However, Bradley Kuhn points out that this is not the standard policy of Google; they merely pay out the $500/mentor to the organization, and it's up to them what to do with it. Our involvement in GSoC pre-dates the existance of the Inkscape board, and thus our approach is more of a tradition than an official policy. Mr. Kuhn wishes to know our official policy on this matter.
He has also asked that we consider contributing 10% of money received by Inkscape back to the Conservancy (see the other referendum posted today), to help offset costs for bookkeeping and other needs. There is a question as to whether this 10% would be required of mentor payments as well.
Bryce
If my vote is needed, I vote [b] on 2.
participants (7)
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Alexandre Prokoudine -
Bryce Harrington -
Johan Engelen -
Josh Andler -
MenTaLguY -
Tavmjong Bah -
Ted Gould