VOTE: FSA Membership List Revision
A majority vote of the current board members is required for the following matter.
Background ----------
Previously we voted on adjusting the FSA to change the list of people who can vote for the PLC positions to be a list maintained by the PLC instead of the AUTHORS file. We sent that to the SFC and they recommended some slight changes. They'd like to see the URL there, but with a mechanism to change it without going through the whole FSA change procedure. Proposal ---------
Amend the FSA section 6 paragraph 2 from: Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”). to: Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed on the following URL on the Project’s website (“Inkscape Community”), or such other URL as provided to Conservancy by the Authorized Representative upon unanimous approval of the Committee: https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt Votes -----
a. Ammend the FSA as written above b. Similar to above but with these changes: c. We shouldn't amend the FSA
I vote b.
Similar to above but with these changes:
- ...Conservancy by the Authorized Representative + ...Conservancy by the Election Official
We have a job of running an election when needed, which will be more keenly attached to the list of people.
Other note:
Although if it's to be “Representative” it should use the same text as the rest of the FSA which never mentioned "Authorized"
Martin,
On Sat, 2021-10-02 at 17:08 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for the following matter.
Background
Previously we voted on adjusting the FSA to change the list of people who can vote for the PLC positions to be a list maintained by the PLC instead of the AUTHORS file. We sent that to the SFC and they recommended some slight changes. They'd like to see the URL there, but with a mechanism to change it without going through the whole FSA change procedure.
Proposal
Amend the FSA section 6 paragraph 2 from:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).
to:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed on the following URL on the Project’s website (“Inkscape Community”), or such other URL as provided to Conservancy by the Authorized Representative upon unanimous approval of the Committee: https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt
Votes
a. Ammend the FSA as written above b. Similar to above but with these changes: c. We shouldn't amend the FSA _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
I vote a.
The committee's unanimous approval is needed to change the URL thus it makes more sense to me that the result of the committee's decision be reported to the SFC by the authorized representative who is (usually? always?) a board member.
I"m fine with change "Authorized Representative" to just "Representative" to match the rest of the document. I don't think that changes any meaning.
Tav
----- Original Message ----- | From: "Martin Owens" doctormo@gmail.com | To: "Ted Gould" ted@gould.cx, "Inkscape Board" inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org | Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 12:59:37 AM | Subject: [Inkscape-board] Re: VOTE: FSA Membership List Revision | | I vote b. | | Similar to above but with these changes: | | - ...Conservancy by the Authorized Representative | + ...Conservancy by the Election Official | | We have a job of running an election when needed, which will be more | keenly attached to the list of people. | | Other note: | | Although if it's to be “Representative” it should use the same text | as | the rest of the FSA which never mentioned "Authorized" | | Martin, | | On Sat, 2021-10-02 at 17:08 -0500, Ted Gould wrote: | > A majority vote of the current board members is required for the | > following matter. | > | > Background | > ---------- | > | > Previously we voted on adjusting the FSA to change the list of | > people | > who can vote for the PLC positions to be a list maintained by the | > PLC | > instead of the AUTHORS file. We sent that to the SFC and they | > recommended some slight changes. They'd like to see the URL there, | > but with a mechanism to change it without going through the whole | > FSA | > change procedure. | > | > Proposal | > --------- | > | > Amend the FSA section 6 paragraph 2 from: | > | > Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors | > to | > the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals | > listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”). | > | > to: | > | > Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors | > to | > the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals | > listed on the following URL on the Project’s website (“Inkscape | > Community”), or such other URL as provided to Conservancy by the | > Authorized Representative upon unanimous approval of the Committee: | > https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt | > | > Votes | > ----- | > | > a. Ammend the FSA as written above | > b. Similar to above but with these changes: | > c. We shouldn't amend the FSA | > _______________________________________________ | > Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- | > inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org | > To unsubscribe send an email to | > inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org | _______________________________________________ | Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- | inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org | To unsubscribe send an email to | inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org |
I vote c. in this instance.
The matter is underdeveloped. The current agreement doesn't specify any mechanisms at all, and this seeks to enjoin our internal matters to an external agreement. We don't know if this is a good idea, it's not been through any sounding out or brought up at a meeting where experts could be questioned.
I can't see it offering benefit to us. There's nothing we're trying to prevent, or encourage, I say leave it out of this round of updates to the FSA.
And on a personal note; I think we should take more responsibility for setting our leadership policies up. If we're a division of the SFA (in business speak) then we ort to have local policy and be practiced at maintaining it.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Sat, 2021-10-02 at 17:08 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for the following matter.
Background
Previously we voted on adjusting the FSA to change the list of people who can vote for the PLC positions to be a list maintained by the PLC instead of the AUTHORS file. We sent that to the SFC and they recommended some slight changes. They'd like to see the URL there, but with a mechanism to change it without going through the whole FSA change procedure.
Proposal
Amend the FSA section 6 paragraph 2 from:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).
to:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed on the following URL on the Project’s website (“Inkscape Community”), or such other URL as provided to Conservancy by the Authorized Representative upon unanimous approval of the Committee: https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt
Votes
a. Ammend the FSA as written above b. Similar to above but with these changes: c. We shouldn't amend the FSA _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
b : I agree with Martin's changes but I'd add a concern that I would make it simpler to understand with something like "Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which are listed at https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt . This URL can be updated or changed by a PLC vote on the matter notified to the SFC."
Also would like to point out that the abbreviations PLC stands for "Public Limited Company" in Europe. I think this will cause confusion, and we should either never use that abbreviation, or think of something else to call ourselves.
-C
On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 14:58 Marc Jeanmougin marc@jeanmougin.fr wrote:
b : I agree with Martin's changes but I'd add a concern that I would make it simpler to understand with something like "Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which are listed at https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt . This URL can be updated or changed by a PLC vote on the matter notified to the SFC."
-- Mc
Le 03/10/2021 à 00:08, Ted Gould a écrit :
A majority vote of the current board members is required for the following matter.
Background
Previously we voted on adjusting the FSA to change the list of people who can vote for the PLC positions to be a list maintained by the PLC instead of the AUTHORS file. We sent that to the SFC and they recommended some slight changes. They'd like to see the URL there, but with a mechanism to change it without going through the whole FSA change procedure.
Proposal
Amend the FSA section 6 paragraph 2 from:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).
to:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed on the following URL on the Project’s website (“Inkscape Community”), or such other URL as provided to Conservancy by the Authorized Representative upon unanimous approval of the Committee: https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt
Votes
a. Ammend the FSA as written above b. Similar to above but with these changes: c. We shouldn't amend the FSA
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On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 8:42 AM C R cajhne@gmail.com wrote:
Also would like to point out that the abbreviations PLC stands for "Public Limited Company" in Europe. I think this will cause confusion, and we should either never use that abbreviation, or think of something else to call ourselves.
Honestly, I think we're likely to run into issues with most abbreviations as it's a rather common problem. Given that, it just makes more sense to handle it how it's typically handled in writing by spelling it out the first time it's used in a document with the abbreviation in parentheses.
Cheers, Josh
On Thu, 2021-11-04 at 17:21 -0700, Josh Andler wrote:
Honestly, I think we're likely to run into issues with most abbreviations as it's a rather common problem. Given that, it just makes more sense to handle it how it's typically handled in writing by spelling it out the first time it's used in a document with the abbreviation in parentheses.
For legal documents this is true. Though we use PLC quite widely. We should just be careful with public facing communications like the website team page, wiki pages, chat room names, news articles, tweets, that sort of thing.
PLC is so well known in Europe that it's often used a short-hand for "a generic business" so you'll hear things like "UK PLC" which is a cute way the press refers to the UK government.
Martin,
My concern is that a "PLC" if anyone looks it up on Google for example, is exactly the opposite of what Inkscape is. If it's important that Inkscape is seen as charity, then we should not use the abbreviation "PLC" for anything. If it doesn't matter, then PLC is fine. And yes, Conservancy is "Conservancy". Not The Conservancy. :)
-C
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 00:30 Martin Owens doctormo@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 2021-11-04 at 17:21 -0700, Josh Andler wrote:
Honestly, I think we're likely to run into issues with most abbreviations as it's a rather common problem. Given that, it just makes more sense to handle it how it's typically handled in writing by spelling it out the first time it's used in a document with the abbreviation in parentheses.
For legal documents this is true. Though we use PLC quite widely. We should just be careful with public facing communications like the website team page, wiki pages, chat room names, news articles, tweets, that sort of thing.
PLC is so well known in Europe that it's often used a short-hand for "a generic business" so you'll hear things like "UK PLC" which is a cute way the press refers to the UK government.
Martin,
I vote b with Martin's revisions.
On Sat, Nov 6, 2021, 22:03 C R cajhne@gmail.com wrote:
My concern is that a "PLC" if anyone looks it up on Google for example, is exactly the opposite of what Inkscape is. If it's important that Inkscape is seen as charity, then we should not use the abbreviation "PLC" for anything. If it doesn't matter, then PLC is fine. And yes, Conservancy is "Conservancy". Not The Conservancy. :)
-C
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 00:30 Martin Owens doctormo@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 2021-11-04 at 17:21 -0700, Josh Andler wrote:
Honestly, I think we're likely to run into issues with most abbreviations as it's a rather common problem. Given that, it just makes more sense to handle it how it's typically handled in writing by spelling it out the first time it's used in a document with the abbreviation in parentheses.
For legal documents this is true. Though we use PLC quite widely. We should just be careful with public facing communications like the website team page, wiki pages, chat room names, news articles, tweets, that sort of thing.
PLC is so well known in Europe that it's often used a short-hand for "a generic business" so you'll hear things like "UK PLC" which is a cute way the press refers to the UK government.
Martin,
On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 7:58 AM Marc Jeanmougin marc@jeanmougin.fr wrote:
This URL can be updated or changed by a PLC vote on the matter notified to the SFC."
I just wanted to mention that SFC is pretty particular about language referencing them. We're not supposed to refer to them as "the SFC", but just "SFC". Likewise we're supposed to avoid adding "the" in front of Conservancy. I believe there was an email they sent us years ago outlining the preferred phrasing and rules for referencing them (if it wasn't an email it was a blog post or something). I'll see if I can find where/when it was to pass on. I'm not trying to nitpick, I just believe they have legal reasons which influenced them outlining it to member projects.
Cheers, Josh
I vote A.
On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 3:09 PM Ted Gould ted@gould.cx wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for the following matter.
Background
Previously we voted on adjusting the FSA to change the list of people who can vote for the PLC positions to be a list maintained by the PLC instead of the AUTHORS file. We sent that to the SFC and they recommended some slight changes. They'd like to see the URL there, but with a mechanism to change it without going through the whole FSA change procedure.
Proposal
Amend the FSA section 6 paragraph 2 from:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”).
to:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed on the following URL on the Project’s website (“Inkscape Community”), or such other URL as provided to Conservancy by the Authorized Representative upon unanimous approval of the Committee: https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt
Votes
a. Ammend the FSA as written above b. Similar to above but with these changes: c. We shouldn't amend the FSA _______________________________________________ Inkscape Board of Directors mailing list -- inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-board-leave@lists.inkscape.org
I'll vote b with Martin's second set of changes to remove the "Authorized". It feels like to me that if we're updating the URL that's an update to the website thing more than an election thing.
Ted On Oct 2 2021, at 5:08 pm, Ted Gould ted@gould.cx wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for the following matter.
Background
Previously we voted on adjusting the FSA to change the list of people who can vote for the PLC positions to be a list maintained by the PLC instead of the AUTHORS file. We sent that to the SFC and they recommended some slight changes. They'd like to see the URL there, but with a mechanism to change it without going through the whole FSA change procedure. Proposal
Amend the FSA section 6 paragraph 2 from: Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”). to: Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed on the following URL on the Project’s website (“Inkscape Community”), or such other URL as provided to Conservancy by the Authorized Representative upon unanimous approval of the Committee: https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt Votes
a. Ammend the FSA as written above b. Similar to above but with these changes: c. We shouldn't amend the FSA
The referendum passes with modification. The final text shall read:
Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed on the following URL on the Project’s website (“Inkscape Community”), or such other URL as provided to Conservancy by the Election Official upon unanimous approval of the Committee: https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt
It is recorded here: https://alpha.inkscape.org/board/referendums/resolutions/2021_10_fsa_members... Ted On Oct 2 2021, at 5:08 pm, Ted Gould ted@gould.cx wrote:
A majority vote of the current board members is required for the following matter.
Background
Previously we voted on adjusting the FSA to change the list of people who can vote for the PLC positions to be a list maintained by the PLC instead of the AUTHORS file. We sent that to the SFC and they recommended some slight changes. They'd like to see the URL there, but with a mechanism to change it without going through the whole FSA change procedure. Proposal
Amend the FSA section 6 paragraph 2 from: Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed in the Project’s AUTHORS file (“Inkscape Community”). to: Committee members (“Members”) shall be elected by the contributors to the Inkscape community, which is comprised solely of individuals listed on the following URL on the Project’s website (“Inkscape Community”), or such other URL as provided to Conservancy by the Authorized Representative upon unanimous approval of the Committee: https://inkscape.org/*membership/list.txt Votes
a. Ammend the FSA as written above b. Similar to above but with these changes: c. We shouldn't amend the FSA
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