[REFERENDUM] Accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
1. Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship - [ ] b. No
Votes: ------
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | | | Ted Gould | | | Martin Owens | | | Marc Jeanmougin | | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved: ---------
Background: -----------
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
[1]: https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/36074233/ [2]: https://www.mail-archive.com/inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01019.h...
b. No
There are questions I have about an on going committment. A one year credit will doom us to pay Digital Ocean in the future, a $500 credit /per year/ would be better.
I'd rather no invest the sys-admin time into a platform that we don't know what will happen in a year's time.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Wed, 2017-11-29 at 17:32 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
1. Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship - [ ] b. No
Votes:
Board Member | 1. | -------------------- |:--:| Bryce Harrington | | Josh Andler | | Tavmjong Bah | | Ted Gould | | Martin Owens | | Marc Jeanmougin | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 09:03:20PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
b. No
There are questions I have about an on going committment. A one year credit will doom us to pay Digital Ocean in the future, a $500 credit /per year/ would be better.
I'd rather no invest the sys-admin time into a platform that we don't know what will happen in a year's time.
Totally valid concerns there, although I think you've misunderstood - it's not a one year credit, it's a $500 credit we can stretch as far as we want. The entry level node is $5/mo, and even bumped up a few levels it could last for multiple years. I too would prefer a more open ended sponsorship with higher capacity hosting, but there's no guarantee of finding one.
These nodes appear to be pretty standard Ubuntu 16.04 images with docker and other typical provisioning. If service installation is done orderly and kept well-documented, migration to another platform (if we can find one) could be expected to be fairly straightforward. I could imagine using this as our backup host, if we were lucky in securing a higher capacity host at some point in the future.
Finally, yes, I get your concerns about not wanting to invest your sysadmin time on a platform that may end up being temporary, so will impose no expectations on you. To some degree I can probably handle it myself, but my plan would be to establish it as co-maintained by several volunteers in order to avoid bottlenecking.
Bryce
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Wed, 2017-11-29 at 17:32 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
1. Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship - [ ] b. No
Votes:
Board Member | 1. | -------------------- |:--:| Bryce Harrington | | Josh Andler | | Tavmjong Bah | | Ted Gould | | Martin Owens | | Marc Jeanmougin | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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A, I think we can accept their sponsorship and use it for some hosting needs. How much we move and when can be determined by the sysadmin team, but that doesn't stop us from accepting their donation and using it for some stuff.
Ted
On 11/29/2017 07:32 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship
- [ ] b. No
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | | | Ted Gould | | | Martin Owens | | | Marc Jeanmougin | | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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I vote a.
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship
- [ ] b. No
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | | | Ted Gould | | | Martin Owens | | | Marc Jeanmougin | | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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I vote a.
On Wed, 2017-11-29 at 17:32 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
- Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual
hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship - [ ] b. NoVotes:
Board Member | 1. | -------------------- |:--:| Bryce Harrington | | Josh Andler | | Tavmjong Bah | | Ted Gould | | Martin Owens | | Marc Jeanmougin | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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Resolved: --------- SFC should register with DigitalOcean so we can accept their offer and proceed with setting up services on their platform.
Votes: ------
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | a. | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | a. | | Ted Gould | a. | | Martin Owens | a. | | Marc Jeanmougin | a. | | Chris Rogers | a. |
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship
- [ ] b. No
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | | | Ted Gould | | | Martin Owens | | | Marc Jeanmougin | | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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Hi Brett, just following up to see if you've had a chance to look into setting this up yet?
Bryce
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 05:03:31PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Resolved:
SFC should register with DigitalOcean so we can accept their offer and proceed with setting up services on their platform.
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | a. | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | a. | | Ted Gould | a. | | Martin Owens | a. | | Marc Jeanmougin | a. | | Chris Rogers | a. |
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship
- [ ] b. No
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | | | Ted Gould | | | Martin Owens | | | Marc Jeanmougin | | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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Bryce,
We did get the process started, and step one is always reviewing the terms of service before we create an account. Digital Ocean's is at https://www.digitalocean.com/legal/terms/. There we ran into section 2.5, which asks us to grant Digital Ocean "a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform, and otherwise fully exploit such User Content in connection with [DO's services and businesses]."
This has the *potential* to be an issue because we (both Conservancy and the Inkscape team) can't really grant this license for work that other parties released under most FOSS licenses. This section effectively asks for us to grant an extremely permissive license to Digital Ocean for all the User Content anyone uploads.
It's not uncommon for service providers to have some kind of clause like this, but it's usually narrower. For example, AWS' TOS just say you agree not to upload anything illegal or against their policies.
Are you planning to upload any software to Digital Ocean? This could be uploading software to publish; or a virtual machine image for them to run; anything like that. Basically, anything you can tell us about your plans to use the service can help us better understand how much we should be concerned about this, and what our next steps might be.
Thanks,
On 12/11/2017 11:41 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi Brett, just following up to see if you've had a chance to look into setting this up yet?
Bryce
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 05:03:31PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Resolved:
SFC should register with DigitalOcean so we can accept their offer and proceed with setting up services on their platform.
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | a. | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | a. | | Ted Gould | a. | | Martin Owens | a. | | Marc Jeanmougin | a. | | Chris Rogers | a. |
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship
- [ ] b. No
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | | | Ted Gould | | | Martin Owens | | | Marc Jeanmougin | | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:28:05AM -0500, Brett Smith wrote:
Bryce,
We did get the process started, and step one is always reviewing the terms of service before we create an account. Digital Ocean's is at https://www.digitalocean.com/legal/terms/.
Wow, thanks for checking into that. Yes, some of this looks like it could potentially be a problem. It's sleezy when hosting providers seek ownership over user-supplied content!
There we ran into section 2.5, which asks us to grant Digital Ocean "a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform, and otherwise fully exploit such User Content in connection with [DO's services and businesses]."
I notice their policy seems to differentiate between their "Website" and their "Services". The latter is what would affect Inkscape.
Section 2.5 asks for grants for both Website and Service. The above quote appears to be from the portion dealing with User Content uploads to the Website. There is a similar portion dealing with content uploaded to the Services, but the wording is a bit different:
By submitting any User Content to the Services other than on the Website, you hereby do and shall grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform such User Content solely for the purpose of providing the Services. For clarity, the foregoing licenses granted to us and our users does not affect your other ownership or license rights in your User Content, including the right to grant additional licenses to your User Content, unless otherwise agreed in writing.
Do you think the phrasing "solely for the purpose of providing the Services", and the clarifying second sentence places adequate limitations on what they're requiring here? Could the purpose of this text be to just try and establish that we allow them permission to retransmit our content on their services?
Section 2.6 seems to suggest they recognize that open source code will be hosted on their platform, which I guess is good, but I don't understand at all what the section's purpose is. CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is a license we use and I assume it's not compatible. Does this section imply they wish to relicense materials as BY-NC-SA? It's not clear to me what this section applies to exactly.
I'm glad you're reviewing this -- I always find these license phrasings to be so confusing.
This has the *potential* to be an issue because we (both Conservancy and the Inkscape team) can't really grant this license for work that other parties released under most FOSS licenses. This section effectively asks for us to grant an extremely permissive license to Digital Ocean for all the User Content anyone uploads.
Yes, agreed, we don't want there to be any question that material covered under GPLv2+ would be relicensed by them to some other license.
It's not uncommon for service providers to have some kind of clause like this, but it's usually narrower. For example, AWS' TOS just say you agree not to upload anything illegal or against their policies.
Are you planning to upload any software to Digital Ocean? This could be uploading software to publish; or a virtual machine image for them to run; anything like that. Basically, anything you can tell us about your plans to use the service can help us better understand how much we should be concerned about this, and what our next steps might be.
Yes, uploading software (or snippets of software such as patches) is a primary intended use for this service. The plan would include hosting of discussion forums, mailing lists, wiki's and other software platforms under the purpose of furthering developer-to-developer and user-to-developer collaboration. Thus, we will be dealing with a wealth of User Content for which clarity of copyright+license provenance is going to be imperative. We would not wish to use the service if it adds any uncertainty about the ownership of our code.
Thanks again for looking into this agreement and spotting the potential issue!
Bryce
On 12/11/2017 11:41 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi Brett, just following up to see if you've had a chance to look into setting this up yet?
Bryce
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 05:03:31PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Resolved:
SFC should register with DigitalOcean so we can accept their offer and proceed with setting up services on their platform.
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | a. | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | a. | | Ted Gould | a. | | Martin Owens | a. | | Marc Jeanmougin | a. | | Chris Rogers | a. |
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship
- [ ] b. No
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | | | Ted Gould | | | Martin Owens | | | Marc Jeanmougin | | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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Hi Brett,
Hope you had a great Christmas. I suspect you're tied up with end of the year activities, but I wanted to followup regarding DigitalOcean, as I'd love to move forward on setting it up soon. Please let me know status when you get a chance.
Thanks, Bryce
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:58:24AM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:28:05AM -0500, Brett Smith wrote:
Bryce,
We did get the process started, and step one is always reviewing the terms of service before we create an account. Digital Ocean's is at https://www.digitalocean.com/legal/terms/.
Wow, thanks for checking into that. Yes, some of this looks like it could potentially be a problem. It's sleezy when hosting providers seek ownership over user-supplied content!
There we ran into section 2.5, which asks us to grant Digital Ocean "a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform, and otherwise fully exploit such User Content in connection with [DO's services and businesses]."
I notice their policy seems to differentiate between their "Website" and their "Services". The latter is what would affect Inkscape.
Section 2.5 asks for grants for both Website and Service. The above quote appears to be from the portion dealing with User Content uploads to the Website. There is a similar portion dealing with content uploaded to the Services, but the wording is a bit different:
By submitting any User Content to the Services other than on the Website, you hereby do and shall grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform such User Content solely for the purpose of providing the Services. For clarity, the foregoing licenses granted to us and our users does not affect your other ownership or license rights in your User Content, including the right to grant additional licenses to your User Content, unless otherwise agreed in writing.Do you think the phrasing "solely for the purpose of providing the Services", and the clarifying second sentence places adequate limitations on what they're requiring here? Could the purpose of this text be to just try and establish that we allow them permission to retransmit our content on their services?
Section 2.6 seems to suggest they recognize that open source code will be hosted on their platform, which I guess is good, but I don't understand at all what the section's purpose is. CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is a license we use and I assume it's not compatible. Does this section imply they wish to relicense materials as BY-NC-SA? It's not clear to me what this section applies to exactly.
I'm glad you're reviewing this -- I always find these license phrasings to be so confusing.
This has the *potential* to be an issue because we (both Conservancy and the Inkscape team) can't really grant this license for work that other parties released under most FOSS licenses. This section effectively asks for us to grant an extremely permissive license to Digital Ocean for all the User Content anyone uploads.
Yes, agreed, we don't want there to be any question that material covered under GPLv2+ would be relicensed by them to some other license.
It's not uncommon for service providers to have some kind of clause like this, but it's usually narrower. For example, AWS' TOS just say you agree not to upload anything illegal or against their policies.
Are you planning to upload any software to Digital Ocean? This could be uploading software to publish; or a virtual machine image for them to run; anything like that. Basically, anything you can tell us about your plans to use the service can help us better understand how much we should be concerned about this, and what our next steps might be.
Yes, uploading software (or snippets of software such as patches) is a primary intended use for this service. The plan would include hosting of discussion forums, mailing lists, wiki's and other software platforms under the purpose of furthering developer-to-developer and user-to-developer collaboration. Thus, we will be dealing with a wealth of User Content for which clarity of copyright+license provenance is going to be imperative. We would not wish to use the service if it adds any uncertainty about the ownership of our code.
Thanks again for looking into this agreement and spotting the potential issue!
Bryce
On 12/11/2017 11:41 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi Brett, just following up to see if you've had a chance to look into setting this up yet?
Bryce
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 05:03:31PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Resolved:
SFC should register with DigitalOcean so we can accept their offer and proceed with setting up services on their platform.
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | a. | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | a. | | Ted Gould | a. | | Martin Owens | a. | | Marc Jeanmougin | a. | | Chris Rogers | a. |
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship
- [ ] b. No
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | | | Ted Gould | | | Martin Owens | | | Marc Jeanmougin | | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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Hi Brett,
Just checking in again to see if you've had a chance to look at this.
We've just received another hosting sponsorship offer from a different company, which I'm going to test out. Let me know when you'd like to take a look at their T&C's too.
Bryce
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 02:19:18PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi Brett,
Hope you had a great Christmas. I suspect you're tied up with end of the year activities, but I wanted to followup regarding DigitalOcean, as I'd love to move forward on setting it up soon. Please let me know status when you get a chance.
Thanks, Bryce
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:58:24AM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:28:05AM -0500, Brett Smith wrote:
Bryce,
We did get the process started, and step one is always reviewing the terms of service before we create an account. Digital Ocean's is at https://www.digitalocean.com/legal/terms/.
Wow, thanks for checking into that. Yes, some of this looks like it could potentially be a problem. It's sleezy when hosting providers seek ownership over user-supplied content!
There we ran into section 2.5, which asks us to grant Digital Ocean "a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform, and otherwise fully exploit such User Content in connection with [DO's services and businesses]."
I notice their policy seems to differentiate between their "Website" and their "Services". The latter is what would affect Inkscape.
Section 2.5 asks for grants for both Website and Service. The above quote appears to be from the portion dealing with User Content uploads to the Website. There is a similar portion dealing with content uploaded to the Services, but the wording is a bit different:
By submitting any User Content to the Services other than on the Website, you hereby do and shall grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform such User Content solely for the purpose of providing the Services. For clarity, the foregoing licenses granted to us and our users does not affect your other ownership or license rights in your User Content, including the right to grant additional licenses to your User Content, unless otherwise agreed in writing.Do you think the phrasing "solely for the purpose of providing the Services", and the clarifying second sentence places adequate limitations on what they're requiring here? Could the purpose of this text be to just try and establish that we allow them permission to retransmit our content on their services?
Section 2.6 seems to suggest they recognize that open source code will be hosted on their platform, which I guess is good, but I don't understand at all what the section's purpose is. CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is a license we use and I assume it's not compatible. Does this section imply they wish to relicense materials as BY-NC-SA? It's not clear to me what this section applies to exactly.
I'm glad you're reviewing this -- I always find these license phrasings to be so confusing.
This has the *potential* to be an issue because we (both Conservancy and the Inkscape team) can't really grant this license for work that other parties released under most FOSS licenses. This section effectively asks for us to grant an extremely permissive license to Digital Ocean for all the User Content anyone uploads.
Yes, agreed, we don't want there to be any question that material covered under GPLv2+ would be relicensed by them to some other license.
It's not uncommon for service providers to have some kind of clause like this, but it's usually narrower. For example, AWS' TOS just say you agree not to upload anything illegal or against their policies.
Are you planning to upload any software to Digital Ocean? This could be uploading software to publish; or a virtual machine image for them to run; anything like that. Basically, anything you can tell us about your plans to use the service can help us better understand how much we should be concerned about this, and what our next steps might be.
Yes, uploading software (or snippets of software such as patches) is a primary intended use for this service. The plan would include hosting of discussion forums, mailing lists, wiki's and other software platforms under the purpose of furthering developer-to-developer and user-to-developer collaboration. Thus, we will be dealing with a wealth of User Content for which clarity of copyright+license provenance is going to be imperative. We would not wish to use the service if it adds any uncertainty about the ownership of our code.
Thanks again for looking into this agreement and spotting the potential issue!
Bryce
On 12/11/2017 11:41 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi Brett, just following up to see if you've had a chance to look into setting this up yet?
Bryce
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 05:03:31PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Resolved:
SFC should register with DigitalOcean so we can accept their offer and proceed with setting up services on their platform.
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | a. | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | a. | | Ted Gould | a. | | Martin Owens | a. | | Marc Jeanmougin | a. | | Chris Rogers | a. |
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship
- [ ] b. No
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | | | Ted Gould | | | Martin Owens | | | Marc Jeanmougin | | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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Bryce,
Sorry for the delay on this. In addition to the holidays we have several financial deadlines hit us around this time of year, and I got pulled into that more than I’d planned for.
On DigitalOcean: given that we’re agreed about the issue, the next step with them would be to have a conversation with their legal department about some kind of change. Ideally that would be a change to the current ToS, but between us, we’d be satisfied with an agreement that’s specific to Conservancy and its member projects.
Unfortunately, we’ve checked and we don’t seem to have any good contacts currently at DigitalOcean legal, so we’d have to go through your contact to talk about this.
Before we initiate that, I think it makes sense to look at this other provider’s ToS and see whether we can avoid the issue completely. If your testing so far hasn’t revealed any issues, can you please point me at them, and we’ll take a look?
Best regards,
On 01/04/2018 02:35 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi Brett,
Just checking in again to see if you've had a chance to look at this.
We've just received another hosting sponsorship offer from a different company, which I'm going to test out. Let me know when you'd like to take a look at their T&C's too.
Bryce
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 02:19:18PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi Brett,
Hope you had a great Christmas. I suspect you're tied up with end of the year activities, but I wanted to followup regarding DigitalOcean, as I'd love to move forward on setting it up soon. Please let me know status when you get a chance.
Thanks, Bryce
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:58:24AM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:28:05AM -0500, Brett Smith wrote:
Bryce,
We did get the process started, and step one is always reviewing the terms of service before we create an account. Digital Ocean's is at https://www.digitalocean.com/legal/terms/.
Wow, thanks for checking into that. Yes, some of this looks like it could potentially be a problem. It's sleezy when hosting providers seek ownership over user-supplied content!
There we ran into section 2.5, which asks us to grant Digital Ocean "a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform, and otherwise fully exploit such User Content in connection with [DO's services and businesses]."
I notice their policy seems to differentiate between their "Website" and their "Services". The latter is what would affect Inkscape.
Section 2.5 asks for grants for both Website and Service. The above quote appears to be from the portion dealing with User Content uploads to the Website. There is a similar portion dealing with content uploaded to the Services, but the wording is a bit different:
By submitting any User Content to the Services other than on the Website, you hereby do and shall grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform such User Content solely for the purpose of providing the Services. For clarity, the foregoing licenses granted to us and our users does not affect your other ownership or license rights in your User Content, including the right to grant additional licenses to your User Content, unless otherwise agreed in writing.Do you think the phrasing "solely for the purpose of providing the Services", and the clarifying second sentence places adequate limitations on what they're requiring here? Could the purpose of this text be to just try and establish that we allow them permission to retransmit our content on their services?
Section 2.6 seems to suggest they recognize that open source code will be hosted on their platform, which I guess is good, but I don't understand at all what the section's purpose is. CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is a license we use and I assume it's not compatible. Does this section imply they wish to relicense materials as BY-NC-SA? It's not clear to me what this section applies to exactly.
I'm glad you're reviewing this -- I always find these license phrasings to be so confusing.
This has the *potential* to be an issue because we (both Conservancy and the Inkscape team) can't really grant this license for work that other parties released under most FOSS licenses. This section effectively asks for us to grant an extremely permissive license to Digital Ocean for all the User Content anyone uploads.
Yes, agreed, we don't want there to be any question that material covered under GPLv2+ would be relicensed by them to some other license.
It's not uncommon for service providers to have some kind of clause like this, but it's usually narrower. For example, AWS' TOS just say you agree not to upload anything illegal or against their policies.
Are you planning to upload any software to Digital Ocean? This could be uploading software to publish; or a virtual machine image for them to run; anything like that. Basically, anything you can tell us about your plans to use the service can help us better understand how much we should be concerned about this, and what our next steps might be.
Yes, uploading software (or snippets of software such as patches) is a primary intended use for this service. The plan would include hosting of discussion forums, mailing lists, wiki's and other software platforms under the purpose of furthering developer-to-developer and user-to-developer collaboration. Thus, we will be dealing with a wealth of User Content for which clarity of copyright+license provenance is going to be imperative. We would not wish to use the service if it adds any uncertainty about the ownership of our code.
Thanks again for looking into this agreement and spotting the potential issue!
Bryce
On 12/11/2017 11:41 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi Brett, just following up to see if you've had a chance to look into setting this up yet?
Bryce
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 05:03:31PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Resolved:
SFC should register with DigitalOcean so we can accept their offer and proceed with setting up services on their platform.
Votes:
| Board Member | 1. | | -------------------- |:--:| | Bryce Harrington | a. | | Josh Andler | | | Tavmjong Bah | a. | | Ted Gould | a. | | Martin Owens | a. | | Marc Jeanmougin | a. | | Chris Rogers | a. |
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: > Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean. > > 1. Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting > system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add > DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize > Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape. > > - [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship > - [ ] b. No > > Votes: > ------ > > | Board Member | 1. | > | -------------------- |:--:| > | Bryce Harrington | | > | Josh Andler | | > | Tavmjong Bah | | > | Ted Gould | | > | Martin Owens | | > | Marc Jeanmougin | | > | Chris Rogers | | > > > Resolved: > --------- > > Background: > ----------- > > In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web > hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides > a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It > doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able > to address near term service needs while we continue our search. > > Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information > so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff > for us. This vote authorizes them to do so. > > [1]: https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/36074233/ > [2]: https://www.mail-archive.com/inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01019.h... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-board mailing list > Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
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On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 02:05:46PM -0500, Brett Smith wrote:
Bryce,
Sorry for the delay on this. In addition to the holidays we have several financial deadlines hit us around this time of year, and I got pulled into that more than I’d planned for.
On DigitalOcean: given that we’re agreed about the issue, the next step with them would be to have a conversation with their legal department about some kind of change. Ideally that would be a change to the current ToS, but between us, we’d be satisfied with an agreement that’s specific to Conservancy and its member projects.
Unfortunately, we’ve checked and we don’t seem to have any good contacts currently at DigitalOcean legal, so we’d have to go through your contact to talk about this.
DO Sponsorships <sponsorships@...147...>
I sent them a thank-you with a question last month but only got a robo message in reply. YMMV.
Before we initiate that, I think it makes sense to look at this other provider’s ToS and see whether we can avoid the issue completely. If your testing so far hasn’t revealed any issues, can you please point me at them, and we’ll take a look?
I did some testing/research over the weekend and it all went quite well.
https://www.cloudscale.ch/en/tos-20151015.pdf
Bryce
Best regards,
On 01/04/2018 02:35 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi Brett,
Just checking in again to see if you've had a chance to look at this.
We've just received another hosting sponsorship offer from a different company, which I'm going to test out. Let me know when you'd like to take a look at their T&C's too.
Bryce
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 02:19:18PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi Brett,
Hope you had a great Christmas. I suspect you're tied up with end of the year activities, but I wanted to followup regarding DigitalOcean, as I'd love to move forward on setting it up soon. Please let me know status when you get a chance.
Thanks, Bryce
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:58:24AM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:28:05AM -0500, Brett Smith wrote:
Bryce,
We did get the process started, and step one is always reviewing the terms of service before we create an account. Digital Ocean's is at https://www.digitalocean.com/legal/terms/.
Wow, thanks for checking into that. Yes, some of this looks like it could potentially be a problem. It's sleezy when hosting providers seek ownership over user-supplied content!
There we ran into section 2.5, which asks us to grant Digital Ocean "a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform, and otherwise fully exploit such User Content in connection with [DO's services and businesses]."
I notice their policy seems to differentiate between their "Website" and their "Services". The latter is what would affect Inkscape.
Section 2.5 asks for grants for both Website and Service. The above quote appears to be from the portion dealing with User Content uploads to the Website. There is a similar portion dealing with content uploaded to the Services, but the wording is a bit different:
By submitting any User Content to the Services other than on the Website, you hereby do and shall grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform such User Content solely for the purpose of providing the Services. For clarity, the foregoing licenses granted to us and our users does not affect your other ownership or license rights in your User Content, including the right to grant additional licenses to your User Content, unless otherwise agreed in writing.Do you think the phrasing "solely for the purpose of providing the Services", and the clarifying second sentence places adequate limitations on what they're requiring here? Could the purpose of this text be to just try and establish that we allow them permission to retransmit our content on their services?
Section 2.6 seems to suggest they recognize that open source code will be hosted on their platform, which I guess is good, but I don't understand at all what the section's purpose is. CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is a license we use and I assume it's not compatible. Does this section imply they wish to relicense materials as BY-NC-SA? It's not clear to me what this section applies to exactly.
I'm glad you're reviewing this -- I always find these license phrasings to be so confusing.
This has the *potential* to be an issue because we (both Conservancy and the Inkscape team) can't really grant this license for work that other parties released under most FOSS licenses. This section effectively asks for us to grant an extremely permissive license to Digital Ocean for all the User Content anyone uploads.
Yes, agreed, we don't want there to be any question that material covered under GPLv2+ would be relicensed by them to some other license.
It's not uncommon for service providers to have some kind of clause like this, but it's usually narrower. For example, AWS' TOS just say you agree not to upload anything illegal or against their policies.
Are you planning to upload any software to Digital Ocean? This could be uploading software to publish; or a virtual machine image for them to run; anything like that. Basically, anything you can tell us about your plans to use the service can help us better understand how much we should be concerned about this, and what our next steps might be.
Yes, uploading software (or snippets of software such as patches) is a primary intended use for this service. The plan would include hosting of discussion forums, mailing lists, wiki's and other software platforms under the purpose of furthering developer-to-developer and user-to-developer collaboration. Thus, we will be dealing with a wealth of User Content for which clarity of copyright+license provenance is going to be imperative. We would not wish to use the service if it adds any uncertainty about the ownership of our code.
Thanks again for looking into this agreement and spotting the potential issue!
Bryce
On 12/11/2017 11:41 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Hi Brett, just following up to see if you've had a chance to look into setting this up yet?
Bryce
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 05:03:31PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: > Resolved: > --------- > SFC should register with DigitalOcean so we can accept their offer and > proceed with setting up services on their platform. > > > Votes: > ------ > > | Board Member | 1. | > | -------------------- |:--:| > | Bryce Harrington | a. | > | Josh Andler | | > | Tavmjong Bah | a. | > | Ted Gould | a. | > | Martin Owens | a. | > | Marc Jeanmougin | a. | > | Chris Rogers | a. | > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: >> Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean. >> >> 1. Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting >> system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add >> DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize >> Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape. >> >> - [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship >> - [ ] b. No >> >> Votes: >> ------ >> >> | Board Member | 1. | >> | -------------------- |:--:| >> | Bryce Harrington | | >> | Josh Andler | | >> | Tavmjong Bah | | >> | Ted Gould | | >> | Martin Owens | | >> | Marc Jeanmougin | | >> | Chris Rogers | | >> >> >> Resolved: >> --------- >> >> Background: >> ----------- >> >> In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web >> hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides >> a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It >> doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able >> to address near term service needs while we continue our search. >> >> Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information >> so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff >> for us. This vote authorizes them to do so. >> >> [1]: https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/36074233/ >> [2]: https://www.mail-archive.com/inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01019.h... >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-board mailing list >> Inkscape-board@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
-- Brett Smith
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-- Brett Smith
On 01/09/2018 04:42 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Before we initiate that, I think it makes sense to look at this other provider’s ToS and see whether we can avoid the issue completely. If your testing so far hasn’t revealed any issues, can you please point me at them, and we’ll take a look?
I did some testing/research over the weekend and it all went quite well.
This is much, much more promising. I did a quick read and there’s nothing remotely like the troublesome clause in DigitalOcean’s ToS. I’m bumping this up to legal for their review. The main question mark in my mind is how we’ll feel about the very last clause that the German ToS prevail. I’ll keep you posted.
Best regards,
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 05:52:21PM -0500, Brett Smith wrote:
On 01/09/2018 04:42 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Before we initiate that, I think it makes sense to look at this other provider’s ToS and see whether we can avoid the issue completely. If your testing so far hasn’t revealed any issues, can you please point me at them, and we’ll take a look?
I did some testing/research over the weekend and it all went quite well.
This is much, much more promising. I did a quick read and there’s nothing remotely like the troublesome clause in DigitalOcean’s ToS. I’m bumping this up to legal for their review. The main question mark in my mind is how we’ll feel about the very last clause that the German ToS prevail. I’ll keep you posted.
Thanks Brett, looking forward to it, let me know once you've hear from legal.
The intent from the outset was to secure a pair of hosting providers, one primary one backup. The cloudscale.ch offer seems broader and more long term, so independent of the ToS issue I would be leaning towards them as primary with DigitalOcean as the backup. If the ToS issue removes DigitalOcean from the running then I'm sure we can find an alternate, so we can continue keeping our eyes open.
Thanks, Bryce
On 01/11/2018 04:20 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Thanks Brett, looking forward to it, let me know once you've hear from legal.
We can accept it, although we’re not wild about how it doesn’t define what’s really “fair use” on page 2. But still, I’m guessing your use will be on the more conservative side, so as long as you feel confident you’re not going to run into trouble with it, let me know and I’ll get an account made.
The intent from the outset was to secure a pair of hosting providers, one primary one backup. The cloudscale.ch offer seems broader and more long term, so independent of the ToS issue I would be leaning towards them as primary with DigitalOcean as the backup. If the ToS issue removes DigitalOcean from the running then I'm sure we can find an alternate, so we can continue keeping our eyes open.
The ToS issue has to be resolved, at least. I was a little surprised at your earlier response that you don’t have a direct contact with them. Am I following right that you got a grant for hosting from them, without ever interacting with a specific person over there? If that’s right, just for my understanding, how did that come about?
We have a separate contact we can hopefully use to connect us to their legal department. It’s pretty indirect, which is why I was holding out for someone who might have at least some of the background of what’s going on here already. But we can work with it if you still want to proceed with DigitalOcean too, which it sounds like you do.
Thanks,
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:23:37AM -0500, Brett Smith wrote:
On 01/11/2018 04:20 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Thanks Brett, looking forward to it, let me know once you've hear from legal.
We can accept it, although we’re not wild about how it doesn’t define what’s really “fair use” on page 2. But still, I’m guessing your use will be on the more conservative side, so as long as you feel confident you’re not going to run into trouble with it, let me know and I’ll get an account made.
The intent from the outset was to secure a pair of hosting providers, one primary one backup. The cloudscale.ch offer seems broader and more long term, so independent of the ToS issue I would be leaning towards them as primary with DigitalOcean as the backup. If the ToS issue removes DigitalOcean from the running then I'm sure we can find an alternate, so we can continue keeping our eyes open.
The ToS issue has to be resolved, at least. I was a little surprised at your earlier response that you don’t have a direct contact with them. Am I following right that you got a grant for hosting from them, without ever interacting with a specific person over there? If that’s right, just for my understanding, how did that come about?
One of our Inkscaper's who has been a customer of theirs (Ryan - cc'd), sent our request to them. I don't know if he directed it to a specific person or their general contact address, but it elicited a response from an actual person that made the offer. However, my two followup emails simply got auto-replies.
I'll forward you that original email.
We have a separate contact we can hopefully use to connect us to their legal department. It’s pretty indirect, which is why I was holding out for someone who might have at least some of the background of what’s going on here already. But we can work with it if you still want to proceed with DigitalOcean too, which it sounds like you do.
Thanks,
Brett Smith
Bryce
On 01/25/2018 12:55 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:23:37AM -0500, Brett Smith wrote:
On 01/11/2018 04:20 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Thanks Brett, looking forward to it, let me know once you've hear from legal.
We can accept it, although we’re not wild about how it doesn’t define what’s really “fair use” on page 2. But still, I’m guessing your use will be on the more conservative side, so as long as you feel confident you’re not going to run into trouble with it, let me know and I’ll get an account made.
Bryce,
This is done. Please let me know who I should send credentials to, preferably with a GPG key I can use to encrypt them, and I’ll do that.
Apparently they don’t keep cards on file; instead you pay as you go. Do you or another Inkscape PLC member have a Conservancy credit card you can use for this? If so, you can just go ahead and do that; just make sure to send the receipt to accounting@ for our records. Otherwise, mail me and CC: accounting@ when you want funds added to the account, and let me know how much (in CHF), and I’ll do that. Please try to round up with your anticipated usage; the less often we have to log in for this, the better.
Best regards,
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:59:33PM -0500, Brett Smith wrote:
On 01/25/2018 12:55 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:23:37AM -0500, Brett Smith wrote:
On 01/11/2018 04:20 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Thanks Brett, looking forward to it, let me know once you've hear from legal.
We can accept it, although we’re not wild about how it doesn’t define what’s really “fair use” on page 2. But still, I’m guessing your use will be on the more conservative side, so as long as you feel confident you’re not going to run into trouble with it, let me know and I’ll get an account made.
Bryce,
This is done. Please let me know who I should send credentials to, preferably with a GPG key I can use to encrypt them, and I’ll do that.
You can send the credentials to me. I've attached my gpg key in case you don't have it on hand.
Apparently they don’t keep cards on file; instead you pay as you go. Do you or another Inkscape PLC member have a Conservancy credit card you can use for this? If so, you can just go ahead and do that; just make sure to send the receipt to accounting@ for our records. Otherwise, mail me and CC: accounting@ when you want funds added to the account, and let me know how much (in CHF), and I’ll do that. Please try to round up with your anticipated usage; the less often we have to log in for this, the better.
We do not have a Conservancy credit card, so we'll send recipts to you. As I think I mentioned, we'll just use this for backup purposes so potentially there'll never be charges for this.
Thanks again, Bryce
Best regards,
Brett Smith
I vote b.
I don't like their terms, both the copyright ones and the risk that we'll end up paying through the nose if those $500 aren't enough or if they decide next year we shouldn't have another $500.
Martin,
On Wed, 2017-11-29 at 17:32 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
1. Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship - [ ] b. No
Votes:
Board Member | 1. | -------------------- |:--:| Bryce Harrington | | Josh Andler | | Tavmjong Bah | | Ted Gould | | Martin Owens | | Marc Jeanmougin | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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Goof.
On Wed, 2018-02-07 at 19:41 -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
I vote b.
I don't like their terms, both the copyright ones and the risk that we'll end up paying through the nose if those $500 aren't enough or if they decide next year we shouldn't have another $500.
Martin,
On Wed, 2017-11-29 at 17:32 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean.
1. Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape.
- [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship - [ ] b. No
Votes:
Board Member | 1. | -------------------- |:--:| Bryce Harrington | | Josh Andler | | Tavmjong Bah | | Ted Gould | | Martin Owens | | Marc Jeanmougin | | Chris Rogers | |
Resolved:
Background:
In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able to address near term service needs while we continue our search.
Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff for us. This vote authorizes them to do so.
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Ted Gould