Hhmm.... The Enter key might be awkward for anyone who mouses with the right hand. That's why I was asking about changing it.
As long as we are talking about:
--move mouse close to a node, press Space (or any key) --move to another node, press Space (or any key)
the Spacebar would work for me. But if we're talking about holding it down while moving the mouse, then I'll have a larger problem to solve. For some reason that I've never figured out, I can't move my cursor/pointer at all, while any key, included Space is being held down. (Maybe somehow related to my external touchpad mouse, but I don't know for sure.)
Thanks, brynn
______________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:09 PM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Would these, either Spacebar or Enter key, be customizable, using Inkscape Preferences?
Probably not. At least, you probably don't want them to be. We should choose intuitive keys here that do not conflict and be as consistent as possible with assigning similar functionality to the same hotkeys in other parts of Inkscape to unify the experience, as we have done for the alignment hotkeys.
-C
Thanks, brynn
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From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:06 AM
To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Olof and I discussed also using the Enter key as a toggle for selecting the node to avoid having to click as much. This key is also free from bindings in the Node Tool, and makes an intuitive natural key for selecting/deselecting. As an alternative, I'd suggest the spacebar (which can be used on websites for toggling radio buttons/checkboxes), but I fear a clash with grabbing the view to drag, which I also dearly love. :) It's possible that it's not too much of a clash, as it's tapping vs holding.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Yes, I watched his video :-)
If we weren't in the middle of a release cycle, it would be nice to discuss the mouse snapping or maybe called pointer snapping. But Olof tells me the snapping is super heavy in the program.
And I would be happy with either of your solutions :-)
Thanks, brynn _____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:19 AM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if you were painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of the circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown, with the mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very close together though (make sure you watch his video): https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his very nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway. :)
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
_____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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