possibly strange question (snap)
Hi Friends, I just was wondering something. Keeping in mind, as many of you know, I'm not very technically oriented. So this could be totally impossible. But it seems like it might be, and I guess it can't hurt to ask. I'm often doing a lot of node editing, and often snapping nodes to a pixel grid. The part that slows me down the most is positioning the mouse pointer precisely over a node, to be able to click it (select it) or move it. Would there be any way to give Inkscape an optional feature that would snap the mouse to something - like have it snap to nodes or handles? I mean, snap the mouse pointer that is not dragging something yet. The snap of the mouse would have to be disabled by the selection click, I guess, so that you could move the node. Well maybe there's a better way to accomplish this? Since recent versions (I think 0.91 is when I first noticed it) you can make the nodes and handles larger. But I find that blocks the drawing too much. I've also tried making the Grab Sensitivity bigger. But that doesn't seem to affect selecting nodes. And yes, I definitely drag a selection box, when possible. But often it's not possible. Of course I would be open to other ways, to make selecting individual nodes easier. But I thought I'd ask if it's possible. It seems like it ought to be possible. Actually, this could help people who don't have very good mouse control, to be able to use Inkscape easier. Oh! And it would be totally awesome for the mouse to be able to snap to a guide, because those puppies can be so frustrating to grab sometimes. Maybe such a feature would come under the heading of accessibility?
Thank you very much, brynn
Intersting idea!
When I read through your post, I instantly thought of bigger node points (0.91 feature), however I agree they clutter the painting...
Then I thought - since this is a node tool feature - why not have some key that when pressed down, colors the closest node, and when left-click happens either moves the mouse pointer and grabs the node, or simply grabs the node and moves it to mouse pointer, which ever is simplest to implement?
See screenshot for visual explanation.
Mvh
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On 5 June 2016 at 14:11, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi Friends, I just was wondering something. Keeping in mind, as many of you know, I'm not very technically oriented. So this could be totally impossible. But it seems like it might be, and I guess it can't hurt to ask. I'm often doing a lot of node editing, and often snapping nodes to a pixel grid. The part that slows me down the most is positioning the mouse pointer precisely over a node, to be able to click it (select it) or move it. Would there be any way to give Inkscape an optional feature that would snap the mouse to something - like have it snap to nodes or handles? I mean, snap the mouse pointer that is not dragging something yet. The snap of the mouse would have to be disabled by the selection click, I guess, so that you could move the node. Well maybe there's a better way to accomplish this? Since recent versions (I think 0.91 is when I first noticed it) you can make the nodes and handles larger. But I find that blocks the drawing too much. I've also tried making the Grab Sensitivity bigger. But that doesn't seem to affect selecting nodes. And yes, I definitely drag a selection box, when possible. But often it's not possible. Of course I would be open to other ways, to make selecting individual nodes easier. But I thought I'd ask if it's possible. It seems like it ought to be possible. Actually, this could help people who don't have very good mouse control, to be able to use Inkscape easier. Oh! And it would be totally awesome for the mouse to be able to snap to a guide, because those puppies can be so frustrating to grab sometimes. Maybe such a feature would come under the heading of accessibility?
Thank you very much, brynn
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It would be helpful if lasso select worked for nodes the same way it does objects too. That would save even more clicking for me on a daily basis.
I also like Olof's idea too. I prefer highlighting nodes rather than jumping the mouse-cursor to it. Maybe holding alt does that for nodes, and ctrl does the same for handles?
Would be handy if alt worked for lines as well.
Obviously, nodes would be given highlight preference within a radius of about 10 screen pixels (at 70-90 dpi screens). Lines would then highlight if there are no nodes within 10 pixels of the cursor.
-C
On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@...400...> wrote:
Intersting idea!
When I read through your post, I instantly thought of bigger node points (0.91 feature), however I agree they clutter the painting...
Then I thought - since this is a node tool feature - why not have some key that when pressed down, colors the closest node, and when left-click happens either moves the mouse pointer and grabs the node, or simply grabs the node and moves it to mouse pointer, which ever is simplest to implement?
See screenshot for visual explanation.
Mvh
/Olof
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On 5 June 2016 at 14:11, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi Friends, I just was wondering something. Keeping in mind, as many of you know, I'm not very technically oriented. So this could be totally impossible. But it seems like it might be, and I guess it can't hurt to ask. I'm often doing a lot of node editing, and often snapping nodes to a pixel grid. The part that slows me down the most is positioning the mouse pointer precisely over a node, to be able to click it (select it) or move it. Would there be any way to give Inkscape an optional feature that would snap the mouse to something - like have it snap to nodes or handles? I mean, snap the mouse pointer that is not dragging something yet. The snap of the mouse would have to be disabled by the selection click, I guess, so that you could move the node. Well maybe there's a better way to accomplish this? Since recent versions (I think 0.91 is when I first noticed it) you can make the nodes and handles larger. But I find that blocks the drawing too much. I've also tried making the Grab Sensitivity bigger. But that doesn't seem to affect selecting nodes. And yes, I definitely drag a selection box, when possible. But often it's not possible. Of course I would be open to other ways, to make selecting individual nodes easier. But I thought I'd ask if it's possible. It seems like it ought to be possible. Actually, this could help people who don't have very good mouse control, to be able to use Inkscape easier. Oh! And it would be totally awesome for the mouse to be able to snap to a guide, because those puppies can be so frustrating to grab sometimes. Maybe such a feature would come under the heading of accessibility?
Thank you very much, brynn
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On Sun, 2016-06-05 at 18:16 +0100, C R wrote:
It would be helpful if lasso select worked for nodes the same way it does objects too. That would save even more clicking for me on a daily basis.
I also like Olof's idea too. I prefer highlighting nodes rather than jumping the mouse-cursor to it. Maybe holding alt does that for nodes, and ctrl does the same for handles?
Would be handy if alt worked for lines as well.
Obviously, nodes would be given highlight preference within a radius of about 10 screen pixels (at 70-90 dpi screens). Lines would then highlight if there are no nodes within 10 pixels of the cursor.
I use the Lasso on nodes all the time, it's an integral part of my workflow.
Is something not working on your inkscape?
Martin,
I use the Lasso on nodes all the time, it's an integral part of my workflow.
Is something not working on your inkscape?
Possibly... Box-select works, but holding alt does not produce a lasso-select line as it does with objects. By lasso, I don't mean box-select, I mean draw an irregular (non-rectangular) shape around nodes to select them.
This has never worked for me.
-C
Martin,
On Mon, 2016-06-06 at 04:27 +0100, C R wrote:
Possibly... Box-select works, but holding alt does not produce a lasso-select line as it does with objects. By lasso, I don't mean box-select, I mean draw an irregular (non- rectangular) shape around nodes to select them.
Holding alt just moves the window, it's a known bug. Perhaps I've never had access to the lasso feature in inkscape.
Thanks for explaining.
Martin,
On Tuesday 07 June 2016 08:35:37 Martin Owens wrote:
On Mon, 2016-06-06 at 04:27 +0100, C R wrote:
Possibly... Box-select works, but holding alt does not produce a lasso-select line as it does with objects. By lasso, I don't mean box-select, I mean draw an irregular (non- rectangular) shape around nodes to select them.
Holding alt just moves the window, it's a known bug.
That is not a bug but a feature of X. You can disable it.
Perhaps I've never had access to the lasso feature in inkscape.
Thanks for explaining.
Martin,
Tobias
Thanks for comments C R :-)
As I replied to Olof, highlighting the node would not be necessary for me, at least not for identifying it. If highlighting is necessary to make such a function work, well I wouldn't be opposed.
Lasso select?! Gosh, I had no idea! So it looks like it doesn't select everything inside the lasso, but rather selects whatever the red line touches?
It doesn't work for nodes for me either (Win7, 64-bit, Inkscape 0.91, 32-bit). It doesn't produce the red line like with Selection tool.
Alt with the Nodes tool is for sculpting nodes (selected nodes). (just for reminder, since sometimes people are surprised when I mention it, as I was with lasso select)
If lasso works by touching nodes though, I'm back to the same problem. It's hard to work quickly when the pointer needs to be right on top of the node. Plus, I'm talking about selecting individual nodes....well, sometimes it could be more than 1. But lasso-ing 1 node?
Should the distance be optional? I mean option in Inks Prefs toolbar or other? When I'm working with nodes on a pixel grid, there could be several nodes within 10 px.
Thanks again, brynn
_______________________________ From: C R Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 11:16 AM To: Olof Bjarnason Cc: Brynn ; Inkscape-Devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
It would be helpful if lasso select worked for nodes the same way it does objects too. That would save even more clicking for me on a daily basis.
I also like Olof's idea too. I prefer highlighting nodes rather than jumping the mouse-cursor to it. Maybe holding alt does that for nodes, and ctrl does the same for handles?
Would be handy if alt worked for lines as well.
Obviously, nodes would be given highlight preference within a radius of about 10 screen pixels (at 70-90 dpi screens). Lines would then highlight if there are no nodes within 10 pixels of the cursor.
-C
On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@...400...> wrote:
Intersting idea!
When I read through your post, I instantly thought of bigger node points (0.91 feature), however I agree they clutter the painting...
Then I thought - since this is a node tool feature - why not have some key that when pressed down, colors the closest node, and when left-click happens either moves the mouse pointer and grabs the node, or simply grabs the node and moves it to mouse pointer, which ever is simplest to implement?
See screenshot for visual explanation.
Mvh
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On 5 June 2016 at 14:11, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi Friends, I just was wondering something. Keeping in mind, as many of you know, I'm not very technically oriented. So this could be totally impossible. But it seems like it might be, and I guess it can't hurt to ask. I'm often doing a lot of node editing, and often snapping nodes to a pixel grid. The part that slows me down the most is positioning the mouse pointer precisely over a node, to be able to click it (select it) or move it. Would there be any way to give Inkscape an optional feature that would snap the mouse to something - like have it snap to nodes or handles? I mean, snap the mouse pointer that is not dragging something yet. The snap of the mouse would have to be disabled by the selection click, I guess, so that you could move the node. Well maybe there's a better way to accomplish this? Since recent versions (I think 0.91 is when I first noticed it) you can make the nodes and handles larger. But I find that blocks the drawing too much. I've also tried making the Grab Sensitivity bigger. But that doesn't seem to affect selecting nodes. And yes, I definitely drag a selection box, when possible. But often it's not possible. Of course I would be open to other ways, to make selecting individual nodes easier. But I thought I'd ask if it's possible. It seems like it ought to be possible. Actually, this could help people who don't have very good mouse control, to be able to use Inkscape easier. Oh! And it would be totally awesome for the mouse to be able to snap to a guide, because those puppies can be so frustrating to grab sometimes. Maybe such a feature would come under the heading of accessibility?
Thank you very much, brynn
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Ok if I made a feature request?
brynn _____________________________ From: C R Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 11:16 AM To: Olof Bjarnason Cc: Brynn ; Inkscape-Devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
It would be helpful if lasso select worked for nodes the same way it does objects too. That would save even more clicking for me on a daily basis.
I also like Olof's idea too. I prefer highlighting nodes rather than jumping the mouse-cursor to it. Maybe holding alt does that for nodes, and ctrl does the same for handles?
Would be handy if alt worked for lines as well.
Obviously, nodes would be given highlight preference within a radius of about 10 screen pixels (at 70-90 dpi screens). Lines would then highlight if there are no nodes within 10 pixels of the cursor.
-C
On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@...400...> wrote:
Intersting idea!
When I read through your post, I instantly thought of bigger node points (0.91 feature), however I agree they clutter the painting...
Then I thought - since this is a node tool feature - why not have some key that when pressed down, colors the closest node, and when left-click happens either moves the mouse pointer and grabs the node, or simply grabs the node and moves it to mouse pointer, which ever is simplest to implement?
See screenshot for visual explanation.
Mvh
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On 5 June 2016 at 14:11, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi Friends, I just was wondering something. Keeping in mind, as many of you know, I'm not very technically oriented. So this could be totally impossible. But it seems like it might be, and I guess it can't hurt to ask. I'm often doing a lot of node editing, and often snapping nodes to a pixel grid. The part that slows me down the most is positioning the mouse pointer precisely over a node, to be able to click it (select it) or move it. Would there be any way to give Inkscape an optional feature that would snap the mouse to something - like have it snap to nodes or handles? I mean, snap the mouse pointer that is not dragging something yet. The snap of the mouse would have to be disabled by the selection click, I guess, so that you could move the node. Well maybe there's a better way to accomplish this? Since recent versions (I think 0.91 is when I first noticed it) you can make the nodes and handles larger. But I find that blocks the drawing too much. I've also tried making the Grab Sensitivity bigger. But that doesn't seem to affect selecting nodes. And yes, I definitely drag a selection box, when possible. But often it's not possible. Of course I would be open to other ways, to make selecting individual nodes easier. But I thought I'd ask if it's possible. It seems like it ought to be possible. Actually, this could help people who don't have very good mouse control, to be able to use Inkscape easier. Oh! And it would be totally awesome for the mouse to be able to snap to a guide, because those puppies can be so frustrating to grab sometimes. Maybe such a feature would come under the heading of accessibility?
Thank you very much, brynn
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Thanks for your comments Olof :-)
"Then I thought - since this is a node tool feature - why not have some key that when pressed down, colors the closest node, and when left-click happens either moves the mouse pointer and grabs the node, or simply grabs the node and moves it to mouse pointer, which ever is simplest to implement?"
Coloring the nodes wouldn't be necessary for me, because my problem is not seeing the node. The problem for me is getting the mouse pointer over top of it quickly.
But your other 3 ideas sound good to me. Especially I like the idea of the node snapping over to the mouse. Because then, you could place the pointer where you want the node -- and snap! it's in place!
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
Thanks again, brynn
__________________________________ From: Olof Bjarnason Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 10:11 AM To: Brynn Cc: Inkscape-Devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Intersting idea!
When I read through your post, I instantly thought of bigger node points (0.91 feature), however I agree they clutter the painting...
Then I thought - since this is a node tool feature - why not have some key that when pressed down, colors the closest node, and when left-click happens either moves the mouse pointer and grabs the node, or simply grabs the node and moves it to mouse pointer, which ever is simplest to implement?
See screenshot for visual explanation.
Mvh
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On 5 June 2016 at 14:11, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi Friends, I just was wondering something. Keeping in mind, as many of you know, I'm not very technically oriented. So this could be totally impossible. But it seems like it might be, and I guess it can't hurt to ask. I'm often doing a lot of node editing, and often snapping nodes to a pixel grid. The part that slows me down the most is positioning the mouse pointer precisely over a node, to be able to click it (select it) or move it. Would there be any way to give Inkscape an optional feature that would snap the mouse to something - like have it snap to nodes or handles? I mean, snap the mouse pointer that is not dragging something yet. The snap of the mouse would have to be disabled by the selection click, I guess, so that you could move the node. Well maybe there's a better way to accomplish this? Since recent versions (I think 0.91 is when I first noticed it) you can make the nodes and handles larger. But I find that blocks the drawing too much. I've also tried making the Grab Sensitivity bigger. But that doesn't seem to affect selecting nodes. And yes, I definitely drag a selection box, when possible. But often it's not possible. Of course I would be open to other ways, to make selecting individual nodes easier. But I thought I'd ask if it's possible. It seems like it ought to be possible. Actually, this could help people who don't have very good mouse control, to be able to use Inkscape easier. Oh! And it would be totally awesome for the mouse to be able to snap to a guide, because those puppies can be so frustrating to grab sometimes. Maybe such a feature would come under the heading of accessibility?
Thank you very much, brynn
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Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
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Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
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Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values
in
the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If
you're
working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels
coordinates
translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
_____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
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Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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Hi again,
I think Blenders paint tool is great, however it's quite an effort to implement, and also maybe a little "bulky" when nodes are close...?
I tried more minimalistic way this weekend, simply using key "Y" (since it was unused) to select the node closest to mouse pointer.
This is a quick demo using Brynns pattern, where I first use rectangle/lasso/rubberband and point-selecting the leftmost nodes of the inner diamonds, and then use the closest-node-select with key Y.
What do you think?
Mvh
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On 13 June 2016 at 08:54, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
_____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if you were painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of the circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown, with the mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very close together though (make sure you watch his video): https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his very nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway. :)
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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On 13 June 2016 at 12:19, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if you were painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of the circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown, with the mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very close together though (make sure you watch his video): https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his very nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway. :)
Thank you C R! It needs code guidance, but more importantly discussion/decision on what key to assign to the function (which is Node Tool specific).
I also want it to be "toggle" selection, right now it only "adds" to selection. I don't want Shift to be involved, as the function from a ux perspective then becomes unwieldy, and the whole point of it is to be more nimble/accessible than current method. (Alt+Scroll wheel when mouse is over a node also extends the node selection set without needing to keep Shift down, so this isn't too much of a convention break IMHO).
Keys: I've found Y and F to be "free" so far. However I'd really prefer "C" which associates to "Closest". C switches to Calligraphy tool, which maybe makes sense in general, however ideally I'd expect tools to be able to "override" the "global" shortcuts for specific features.
I don't know if that is possible though?
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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I also want it to be "toggle" selection, right now it only "adds" to
selection. I don't want Shift to be involved, as the function from a ux perspective then becomes unwieldy, and the whole point of it is to be more nimble/accessible than current method. (Alt+Scroll wheel when mouse is over a node also extends the node selection set without needing to keep Shift down, so this isn't too much of a convention break IMHO).
Keys: I've found Y and F to be "free" so far. However I'd really prefer
"C" which associates to "Closest". C switches to Calligraphy tool, which maybe makes sense in general, however ideally I'd expect tools to be able to "override" the "global" shortcuts for specific features.
For combination keys, yes. For single keys (like 'C'), no. The reason is because you don't want to prevent the user switching from one tool to another, so overwriting 'C' while the Node Tool is selected makes it impossible to switch from the node tool to the Calligraphy tool without first switching to some other tool first.
Why not just highlight the closest node by default on the node tool. Then a single click can work normally (with all associated modifier keys for adding/subtracting nodes from the selection). For users that complain about this innocuous change, we could add a switch or something in the toolbar prefs. I don't know why anyone would complain though. It makes it easier to see what will be selected/deselected when you click.
In short, I don't think this feature needs an alternative mode, or associated hotkey.
-C
I don't know if that is possible though?
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should
help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity).
Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like
they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.)
Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've
discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly.
Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the
Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know
if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't
affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small
nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can
adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear
presentation
of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how
to
make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values
in
the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If
you're
working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels
coordinates
translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out
a
guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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PS- If anyone is worried about overwriting the "deselect all nodes" feature of clicking on white space (0.91), the devs have already saved us from that persistent doom by making a double-click required to deselect (or just press the escape key) in 0.92.
Presently, in trunk, single click on white space does nothing. I think selecting, or even toggling the highlighted node is a decent and functional solution to an otherwise unused feature. I'd think most would be glad that it no longer destroys their whole selection to *miss*.
lol -C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:33 PM, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
I also want it to be "toggle" selection, right now it only "adds" to
selection. I don't want Shift to be involved, as the function from a ux perspective then becomes unwieldy, and the whole point of it is to be more nimble/accessible than current method. (Alt+Scroll wheel when mouse is over a node also extends the node selection set without needing to keep Shift down, so this isn't too much of a convention break IMHO).
Keys: I've found Y and F to be "free" so far. However I'd really prefer
"C" which associates to "Closest". C switches to Calligraphy tool, which maybe makes sense in general, however ideally I'd expect tools to be able to "override" the "global" shortcuts for specific features.
For combination keys, yes. For single keys (like 'C'), no. The reason is because you don't want to prevent the user switching from one tool to another, so overwriting 'C' while the Node Tool is selected makes it impossible to switch from the node tool to the Calligraphy tool without first switching to some other tool first.
Why not just highlight the closest node by default on the node tool. Then a single click can work normally (with all associated modifier keys for adding/subtracting nodes from the selection). For users that complain about this innocuous change, we could add a switch or something in the toolbar prefs. I don't know why anyone would complain though. It makes it easier to see what will be selected/deselected when you click.
In short, I don't think this feature needs an alternative mode, or associated hotkey.
-C
I don't know if that is possible though?
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should
help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity).
Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems likethey are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.)
Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've
discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly.
Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the
Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know
if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it
doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small
nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can
adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear
presentation
of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how
to
make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values
in
the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If
you're
working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels
coordinates
translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag
out a
guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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Yes, I watched his video :-)
If we weren't in the middle of a release cycle, it would be nice to discuss the mouse snapping or maybe called pointer snapping. But Olof tells me the snapping is super heavy in the program.
And I would be happy with either of your solutions :-)
Thanks, brynn _____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:19 AM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if you were painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of the circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown, with the mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very close together though (make sure you watch his video): https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his very nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway. :)
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
_____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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Olof and I discussed also using the Enter key as a toggle for selecting the node to avoid having to click as much. This key is also free from bindings in the Node Tool, and makes an intuitive natural key for selecting/deselecting. As an alternative, I'd suggest the spacebar (which can be used on websites for toggling radio buttons/checkboxes), but I fear a clash with grabbing the view to drag, which I also dearly love. :) It's possible that it's not too much of a clash, as it's tapping vs holding.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Yes, I watched his video :-)
If we weren't in the middle of a release cycle, it would be nice to discuss the mouse snapping or maybe called pointer snapping. But Olof tells me the snapping is super heavy in the program.
And I would be happy with either of your solutions :-)
Thanks, brynn _____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:19 AM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if you were painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of the circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown, with the mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very close together though (make sure you watch his video): https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his very nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway. :)
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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On 13 June 2016 at 17:06, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Olof and I discussed also using the Enter key as a toggle for selecting the node to avoid having to click as much. This key is also free from bindings in the Node Tool, and makes an intuitive natural key for selecting/deselecting. As an alternative, I'd suggest the spacebar (which can be used on websites for toggling radio buttons/checkboxes), but I fear a clash with grabbing the view to drag, which I also dearly love. :) It's possible that it's not too much of a clash, as it's tapping vs holding.
OK trying to summarise "what we want":
1. Use either LMB (Left Mouse Button) on empty surface, or Some Key (Y? F? Enter? Space?) to toggle 2. Toggling means switching the node closest to pointer being selected or not (blue color) 3. Visually indicate which node is closest beforehand using the ordinary (red color)
The only thing that concerns me from a UX/user perspective is if (3) would degrade performance, as it has to do the distance calculation on mouse motion, which is basically all the time. Consider node tool has to work also for those 10.000+ node paths, where ever they are.
Removing (3) I think there should be no performance problem.
Make (3) on by default, possible to turn of in Preferences, another (bloody) option ? :D
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Yes, I watched his video :-)
If we weren't in the middle of a release cycle, it would be nice to discuss the mouse snapping or maybe called pointer snapping. But Olof tells me the snapping is super heavy in the program.
And I would be happy with either of your solutions :-)
Thanks, brynn _____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:19 AM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if you were painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of the circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown, with the mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very close together though (make sure you watch his video): https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his very nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway. :)
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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I doubt performance would take that much of a hit. As a current example, snapping with all features enabled is doing this same thing with exponentially more data comparisons, and in real time while dragging the selection around the screen. Performance hit is not enough to worry about even with every kind of snapping turned on all at once. Showing the closest single point to the cursor should be a cake-walk compared to this.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@...400...> wrote:
On 13 June 2016 at 17:06, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Olof and I discussed also using the Enter key as a toggle for selecting the node to avoid having to click as much. This key is also free from bindings in the Node Tool, and makes an intuitive natural key for selecting/deselecting. As an alternative, I'd suggest the spacebar (which can be used on websites for toggling radio buttons/checkboxes), but I fear a clash with grabbing the view to drag, which I also dearly love. :) It's possible that it's not too much of a clash, as it's tapping vs holding.
OK trying to summarise "what we want":
- Use either LMB (Left Mouse Button) on empty surface, or Some Key (Y? F?
Enter? Space?) to toggle 2. Toggling means switching the node closest to pointer being selected or not (blue color) 3. Visually indicate which node is closest beforehand using the ordinary (red color)
The only thing that concerns me from a UX/user perspective is if (3) would degrade performance, as it has to do the distance calculation on mouse motion, which is basically all the time. Consider node tool has to work also for those 10.000+ node paths, where ever they are.
Removing (3) I think there should be no performance problem.
Make (3) on by default, possible to turn of in Preferences, another (bloody) option ? :D
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Yes, I watched his video :-)
If we weren't in the middle of a release cycle, it would be nice to discuss the mouse snapping or maybe called pointer snapping. But Olof tells me the snapping is super heavy in the program.
And I would be happy with either of your solutions :-)
Thanks, brynn _____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:19 AM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if you were painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of the circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown, with the mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very close together though (make sure you watch his video): https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his very nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway. :)
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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I just tested snapping towards 1.000 paths containing 10 nodes each, and what seems to be happening is that the temporary graphic is drawn immediately (red line), and the snap-event happens some 0.25 seconds later or so, updating the red line and drawing the snap target red cross then. So I'm guessing there'se some worker thread doing the heavy-lifting in the background.
If that is OK for showing closest node, that is to have a delay until the red node "updates", then there is no performance problem, however that is quite some more work to achieve, I would guess.
Any core dev have some more feedback to add here?
Mvh
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On 13 June 2016 at 18:08, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
I doubt performance would take that much of a hit. As a current example, snapping with all features enabled is doing this same thing with exponentially more data comparisons, and in real time while dragging the selection around the screen. Performance hit is not enough to worry about even with every kind of snapping turned on all at once. Showing the closest single point to the cursor should be a cake-walk compared to this.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@...400...> wrote:
On 13 June 2016 at 17:06, C R <cajhne@...400...> wrote:
Olof and I discussed also using the Enter key as a toggle for selecting the node to avoid having to click as much. This key is also free from bindings in the Node Tool, and makes an intuitive natural key for selecting/deselecting. As an alternative, I'd suggest the spacebar (which can be used on websites for toggling radio buttons/checkboxes), but I fear a clash with grabbing the view to drag, which I also dearly love. :) It's possible that it's not too much of a clash, as it's tapping vs holding.
OK trying to summarise "what we want":
- Use either LMB (Left Mouse Button) on empty surface, or Some Key (Y?
F? Enter? Space?) to toggle 2. Toggling means switching the node closest to pointer being selected or not (blue color) 3. Visually indicate which node is closest beforehand using the ordinary (red color)
The only thing that concerns me from a UX/user perspective is if (3) would degrade performance, as it has to do the distance calculation on mouse motion, which is basically all the time. Consider node tool has to work also for those 10.000+ node paths, where ever they are.
Removing (3) I think there should be no performance problem.
Make (3) on by default, possible to turn of in Preferences, another (bloody) option ? :D
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Yes, I watched his video :-)
If we weren't in the middle of a release cycle, it would be nice to discuss the mouse snapping or maybe called pointer snapping. But Olof tells me the snapping is super heavy in the program.
And I would be happy with either of your solutions :-)
Thanks, brynn _____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:19 AM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if you were painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of the circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown, with the mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very close together though (make sure you watch his video): https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his very nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway. :)
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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Would these, either Spacebar or Enter key, be customizable, using Inkscape Preferences?
Thanks, brynn
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From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:06 AM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Olof and I discussed also using the Enter key as a toggle for selecting the node to avoid having to click as much. This key is also free from bindings in the Node Tool, and makes an intuitive natural key for selecting/deselecting. As an alternative, I'd suggest the spacebar (which can be used on websites for toggling radio buttons/checkboxes), but I fear a clash with grabbing the view to drag, which I also dearly love. :) It's possible that it's not too much of a clash, as it's tapping vs holding.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Yes, I watched his video :-)
If we weren't in the middle of a release cycle, it would be nice to discuss the mouse snapping or maybe called pointer snapping. But Olof tells me the snapping is super heavy in the program.
And I would be happy with either of your solutions :-)
Thanks, brynn _____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:19 AM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if you were painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of the circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown, with the mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very close together though (make sure you watch his video): https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his very nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway. :)
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
_____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
-------------------------------------------------- From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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Would these, either Spacebar or Enter key, be customizable, using Inkscape Preferences?
Probably not. At least, you probably don't want them to be. We should choose intuitive keys here that do not conflict and be as consistent as possible with assigning similar functionality to the same hotkeys in other parts of Inkscape to unify the experience, as we have done for the alignment hotkeys.
-C
Thanks, brynn
From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:06 AM
To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Olof and I discussed also using the Enter key as a toggle for selecting the node to avoid having to click as much. This key is also free from bindings in the Node Tool, and makes an intuitive natural key for selecting/deselecting. As an alternative, I'd suggest the spacebar (which can be used on websites for toggling radio buttons/checkboxes), but I fear a clash with grabbing the view to drag, which I also dearly love. :) It's possible that it's not too much of a clash, as it's tapping vs holding.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Yes, I watched his video :-)
If we weren't in the middle of a release cycle, it would be nice to discuss the mouse snapping or maybe called pointer snapping. But Olof tells me the snapping is super heavy in the program.
And I would be happy with either of your solutions :-)
Thanks, brynn _____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:19 AM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if you were painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of the circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown, with the mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very close together though (make sure you watch his video): https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his very nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway. :)
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:59 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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Hhmm.... The Enter key might be awkward for anyone who mouses with the right hand. That's why I was asking about changing it.
As long as we are talking about:
--move mouse close to a node, press Space (or any key) --move to another node, press Space (or any key)
the Spacebar would work for me. But if we're talking about holding it down while moving the mouse, then I'll have a larger problem to solve. For some reason that I've never figured out, I can't move my cursor/pointer at all, while any key, included Space is being held down. (Maybe somehow related to my external touchpad mouse, but I don't know for sure.)
Thanks, brynn
______________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:09 PM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Would these, either Spacebar or Enter key, be customizable, using Inkscape Preferences?
Probably not. At least, you probably don't want them to be. We should choose intuitive keys here that do not conflict and be as consistent as possible with assigning similar functionality to the same hotkeys in other parts of Inkscape to unify the experience, as we have done for the alignment hotkeys.
-C
Thanks, brynn
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From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:06 AM
To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Olof and I discussed also using the Enter key as a toggle for selecting the node to avoid having to click as much. This key is also free from bindings in the Node Tool, and makes an intuitive natural key for selecting/deselecting. As an alternative, I'd suggest the spacebar (which can be used on websites for toggling radio buttons/checkboxes), but I fear a clash with grabbing the view to drag, which I also dearly love. :) It's possible that it's not too much of a clash, as it's tapping vs holding.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Yes, I watched his video :-)
If we weren't in the middle of a release cycle, it would be nice to discuss the mouse snapping or maybe called pointer snapping. But Olof tells me the snapping is super heavy in the program.
And I would be happy with either of your solutions :-)
Thanks, brynn _____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:19 AM To: Brynn Cc: Olof Bjarnason ; LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Clicking and dragging selects every node the circle touches, as if you were painting the selection. The distance is controlled by the bounds of the circle, which is better, since you can control the radius as shown, with the mouse wheel for extra precision.
Olof's selection tool is better for instances where nodes are very close together though (make sure you watch his video): https://youtu.be/dy3YQWLBb4Y
Both would be awesome to have, but I think Olof is right about the complexity of the paint select tool being hard to impliment vs his very nice, and tidy solution, which may work better for your case anyway. :)
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Hi C R, From my simple user's perspective, that seems like it should help. But the optional distance setting would need to be closer than Inks Prefs dialog (and not require a restart, like grab sensitivity). Between the brush idea and the key stroke idea, it seems like they are very similar. Either way, it's the area around the mouse pointer where the node is selected. So it seems like the "brush" select would be more fluid. But how would it be enabled? Do you click to grab the node, or does just touching it with the "brush" select it? This seems very similar to the lasso select which was mentioned earlier in this thread. If the lasso could be made to work with the Node tool (in all systems), then maybe you could just add the "brush" to it? (Of course, keeping in mind my non-technical perspective, hah.) Thanks for everyone's interest in this :-)
All best, brynn ________________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:54 AM
To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
See this quick video capture for Blender paint-select feature: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38x7q9yjdjggdl/paint_select_blender_demo.mp4?dl=0
As you can, see it's faster and more convenient than anything we've discussed so far. Precision can be changed on the fly. Their implementation requires you to commit the selection with the Escape button, but I don't think this is necessary.
In short, we could do this, but better.
-C
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
That sounds helpful too. I would have to try it first, before I know if it helps with my particular problem.
It sounds like it essentially makes the pointer bigger?
Isn't that similar to what the Grab Sensitivity does? While it doesn't affect the Node tool, I've tried with the Selection tool. It works great if the objects on the canvas are far enough apart. But on a crowded canvas, it seems to want to select objects next to the one I want to select. I guess Inkscape can't read my mind, and know which object I want.
I wonder if it would be the same case with the node pointer?
All best, brynn
_____________________________________________ From: C R Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:46 PM To: Brynn Cc: LucaDC ; inkscape-devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
Blender has a nice solution to the problem of clicking/selecting small nodes.
If you press "c" it turns the mouse pointer into a circle. You can adjust the size of this circle with the mouse-wheel, and just paint over the nodes you want to select with it. press escape when done to exit the selection mode. though we could just as easily use the enter key which may be more intuitive.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote:
Ok, thanks Luca.
Fyi to everyone, Olof is helping make a better and more clear presentation of the situation and request. Just take me a little time to learn how to make a video (which I should have done years ago).
Thanks again, brynn
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Brynn wrote
(That would be the first use I've ever found for mouse position values in the bottom-right corner, that shows the position of the mouse. If you're working in a file where measurement needs to be precise, you can place your mouse on the precise coordinates.)
This could hardly be called a precise positioning as the displayed coordinates are rounded and their definition depends on the zoom level. What you get depends on the discretization of your monitor's pixels coordinates translated into document's coordinates. A better way to achieve a precise positioning is using guides: drag out a guide, open its dialog to set its coordinates and snap to its origin whatever you want to be exactly there.
Luca
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+1 for the nice idea of some key that "grabs" the wanted object, _very_ useful for crowded documents.
As there may be more "interesting" objects around, it would be good to have the ability of cycling between the grabbed objects and to release the grabbed object back in its original place. This would make only one key necessary for all selectable objects types. Left mouse button press would make the "grab" definitive and start the real dragging.
Scenario (let's say the "grab" key is 'G' just for this example): - press 'G' and keep it pressed: the nearer selectable object (e.g. a node) is grabbed and moved to the mouse cursor's position; - release 'G': the nodes goes back to its previous position (no change); - repress 'G': the same node is grabbed again; - right mouse button click: the node goes back and a guide which is near there is grabbed; - right mouse button click: the guide goes back and a second node is grabbed; - left mouse button press: the second node is definitively grabbed so 'G' can be released; 1: left mouse button released without moving: the node is dragged to the current mouse position; 2: move the mouse: a normal node drag starts...
When pressing 'G' a list of objects within a given radius around the current mouse position is built. This list is freed when 'G' is released or when the left mouse button is pressed. This list is the one that can be cycled with the right click. The mouse could be locked in position while 'G' is pressed. In any case, also if the mouse is moved the list shouldn't be rebuilt until 'G' is released and repressed again: that's why I would lock the mouse and it would also help differentiating between points 1 and 2 in the last step of the previous scenario (1=left mouse button click with 'G' pressed, 2=release 'G' with left mouse button pressed).
Luca
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I was under the impression the ALT key did this now.
I.e. select a node. If its not the right one, hold ALT down and click again - do not move the mouse. Should cycle through the shapes under it
If it doesn't do this - then maybe it should :)
On 6/7/2016 9:26 PM, LucaDC wrote:
+1 for the nice idea of some key that "grabs" the wanted object, _very_ useful for crowded documents.
As there may be more "interesting" objects around, it would be good to have the ability of cycling between the grabbed objects and to release the grabbed object back in its original place. This would make only one key necessary for all selectable objects types. Left mouse button press would make the "grab" definitive and start the real dragging.
Scenario (let's say the "grab" key is 'G' just for this example):
- press 'G' and keep it pressed: the nearer selectable object (e.g. a node)
is grabbed and moved to the mouse cursor's position;
- release 'G': the nodes goes back to its previous position (no change);
- repress 'G': the same node is grabbed again;
- right mouse button click: the node goes back and a guide which is near
there is grabbed;
- right mouse button click: the guide goes back and a second node is
grabbed;
- left mouse button press: the second node is definitively grabbed so 'G'
can be released; 1: left mouse button released without moving: the node is dragged to the current mouse position; 2: move the mouse: a normal node drag starts...
When pressing 'G' a list of objects within a given radius around the current mouse position is built. This list is freed when 'G' is released or when the left mouse button is pressed. This list is the one that can be cycled with the right click. The mouse could be locked in position while 'G' is pressed. In any case, also if the mouse is moved the list shouldn't be rebuilt until 'G' is released and repressed again: that's why I would lock the mouse and it would also help differentiating between points 1 and 2 in the last step of the previous scenario (1=left mouse button click with 'G' pressed, 2=release 'G' with left mouse button pressed).
Luca
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Alt does something related but pretty different. Sure it cycles between (object) selections but: - it does not move any object when activated (and this would be an important feedback about what you're going to grab); - it does not take into account nodes, handles or other types of selectable objects, the more relevant of which are guides.
I'd find the proposed grabbing key much useful also to be able to select the node I want between overlapping ones, a thing I've not found an effective workaround for so far (now I snap a guide on the nodes, start moving them until I find the one I need, then snap back all the others in place and remove the guide; fortunately this frequently involves only two nodes and I've become pretty fast in doing this automatically so it's simpler than it seems).
Another feature that came to mind while writing: when activated, the circle indicating the area where all selectable objects are considered (starting with the default radius, expressed in screen pixels so it does not depend on zoom level) could be displayed and using the mouse wheel it could be increased or decreased (without changing the default stored value), refreshing the cycling list when it's changed. This would be an important and powerful visual feedback about what's going on.
Luca
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Wow! Awesome!
-------------------------------------------------- From: "LucaDC" <dicappello@...2144...> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:26 AM To: inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] possibly strange question (snap)
+1 for the nice idea of some key that "grabs" the wanted object, _very_ useful for crowded documents.
As there may be more "interesting" objects around, it would be good to have the ability of cycling between the grabbed objects and to release the grabbed object back in its original place. This would make only one key necessary for all selectable objects types. Left mouse button press would make the "grab" definitive and start the real dragging.
Scenario (let's say the "grab" key is 'G' just for this example):
- press 'G' and keep it pressed: the nearer selectable object (e.g. a
node) is grabbed and moved to the mouse cursor's position;
- release 'G': the nodes goes back to its previous position (no change);
- repress 'G': the same node is grabbed again;
- right mouse button click: the node goes back and a guide which is near
there is grabbed;
- right mouse button click: the guide goes back and a second node is
grabbed;
- left mouse button press: the second node is definitively grabbed so 'G'
can be released; 1: left mouse button released without moving: the node is dragged to the current mouse position; 2: move the mouse: a normal node drag starts...
When pressing 'G' a list of objects within a given radius around the current mouse position is built. This list is freed when 'G' is released or when the left mouse button is pressed. This list is the one that can be cycled with the right click. The mouse could be locked in position while 'G' is pressed. In any case, also if the mouse is moved the list shouldn't be rebuilt until 'G' is released and repressed again: that's why I would lock the mouse and it would also help differentiating between points 1 and 2 in the last step of the previous scenario (1=left mouse button click with 'G' pressed, 2=release 'G' with left mouse button pressed).
Luca
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