Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog

>> On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can show >> or >> hide the page border, or disable antialiasing? > > > The display options would be moved to the general 'Preferences' > dialog, i.e. be made global. I assume there is not much need to set > them per document. Regarding the page border field, see below. > >> What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >> Same >> for Scripting tab? > > > Grids and snap options are not document properties in my eyes but > helper functionality. Also, snapping is rather a global functionality > than specific to a document. Respectfully, I disagree. Grids tab: Sometimes I might have 2 or 3 grids in 1 file (although only 1 at a time is visible). But other times, no grids at all. So this is very much a "per document" feature for me.

Snap tab: I don't usually change those snap settings. So such a change probably would not affect me. But I can imagine some people probably change them per document.

Display section on Page tab (page border, color, shadow, antialiasing): I hide and display the page border, sometimes several times per document. I do it so often sometimes, I've wished for a key shortcut! While in some documents, I never use it. It doesn't seem appropriate to take it out of Doc. Props. (to me). (I want it out of the way while I'm drawing. But then from time to time, I want to see it, to judge the overall visual balance and scale of the drawing as a whole.)

Although I suppose one could use Guides instead. From that point of view, the border could be eliminated. But I think it's just too convenient of a feature, to get rid of. For me, the border shadow could be eliminated. I never use it. But I have no idea about how other people use it.

I also think antialiasing is a "per document" feature. From time to time, in forums, we suggest changing that for a particular image or file.

Guides tab: I didn't originally comment on Guides, but I see them as very much a "per document" feature.

-------------------------------------------------- From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 3:46 AM To: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: "Inkscape" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net&gt; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog > Hi Brynn, hi Maren, > > thank you for the feedback! > > On 28 May 2016 at 12:21, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote: >> >> On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can show >> or >> hide the page border, or disable antialiasing? > > > The display options would be moved to the general 'Preferences' > dialog, i.e. be made global. I assume there is not much need to set > them per document. Regarding the page border field, see below. > >> What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >> Same >> for Scripting tab? > > > Grids and snap options are not document properties in my eyes but > helper functionality. Also, snapping is rather a global functionality > than specific to a document. > > On 28 May 2016 at 16:13, Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...> wrote: >> >> Sebastian, I've seen a lot of people using the 'set page border color' >> option when they are using a dark background for their drawings. >> Where would that option go? Or did you mean to remove that completely? > > > Well, I imagined this option not to be used often. Though I agree that > with dark backgrounds the contrast may be very low, so people would > like to adjust it. > > As I guess keeping a high contrast is the main reason for having that > option and people are currently required to adjust the border color > accordingly when they set a background color, I see two possible > solutions to improve this: > > 1. Only set the viewport background color and keep the area outside of > it unchanged. > 2. Adjust the border color automatically according to the chosen > background color, so that you always keep a high contrast (like it's > done for the grippies on object selection). > > Having said that, this is probably out of scope for the blueprint, so > I may just add the option back for now. > >> As guides colors are document-specific (as far as I understand), having >> them set in the preferences doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I imagine >> that the best guide color also depends upon the selected background >> color for the document, and as such should either also be in a separate >> 'Guide' dialog, or stay where it is. > > > While the same solution as for the border color might be applied > (automatically keep a high contrast), I agree that moving them into a > separate dialog might be a good solution - also in regard of future > feature additions like allowing to adjust their position precisely > within that dialog or allowing to define different colors per guide. > I'll adjust the proposal accordingly. > >> The coupling of document units and page size units, mmh. I think it >> would simplify things for new users. For myself, I don't like it too >> much. > > > What are the use cases to adjust them individually? > >> I like the Licences being put into the Metadata section and the 'Save as >> template' option a lot. The change to the colors tab also is really >> nice. And the cancel button is really useful (so the document will not >> be resized while you're still entering the values, and you can change >> your mind, too, without several actions happening in the background). > > > Thank you! > >> What I always find difficult about these kinds of dialogs, though, is >> that I never know if I need to hit OK for each tab separately, or if it >> will apply for everything I changed in all tabs (different programs do >> this differently). Is there an UI way to make this really obvious? > > > The programs I know on Windows and Linux always accept the whole > preferences when clicking the OK button. > Sometimes there is an additional 'Apply' button, which saves the > settings without closing the dialog. Eclipse has such a button within > its preferences dialog, for example. Though there it's clear that the > 'Apply' button only affects the current options page, as it is located > within the options area (while the OK button is outside that area, so > it's meant to save all preferences). > >> Will the dialog close automatically upon hitting OK? > > > In accordance to the above, yes, it will close the dialog (as it is > located outside the tabs; normal behavior across programs). > > Sebastian > >> Am 28.05.2016 um 12:21 schrieb Brynn: >>> >>> On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can >>> show or >>> hide the page border, or disable antialiasing? >>> >>> What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >>> Same for Scripting tab? >>> >>> All best, brynn >>> >>> _______________________ >>> From: Sebastian Zartner >>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 4:39 PM >>> To: Inkscape >>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> I took the time to draft a reworked Document Properties dialog. >>> >>> >>> I already created a blueprint for that two years ago: >>> >>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/inkscape/+spec/document-properties-rework >>> >>> >>> And now I finally also described my proposal in a bit more detail >>> including >>> some mockups within the wiki: >>> >>> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/BlueprintReworkedDocumentProperti... >>> >>> >>> Would be great if someone took the time to review it and give me some >>> feedback. >>> >>> >>> Thank you in advance, >>> >>> >>> >>> Sebastian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? 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