Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog

On 30 May 2016 at 12:48, Sebastian Zartner <sebastianzartner@...400...> wrote: > On 29 May 2016 at 13:11, Diederik van Lierop <mail@...1689...> wrote: >> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Sebastian Zartner >> <sebastianzartner@...400...> wrote: >>> >>> > What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >>> > Same >>> > for Scripting tab? >>> >>> Grids and snap options are not document properties in my eyes but >>> helper functionality. Also, snapping is rather a global functionality >>> than specific to a document. >> >> >> I don't agree with this. [...] > > Got the point. So, I'll add the Grids tab back. On 30 May 2016 at 12:49, Sebastian Zartner <sebastianzartner@...400...> wrote: > On 30 May 2016 at 04:32, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote: >>>> On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can show >>>> or >>>> hide the page border, or disable antialiasing? >>> >>> >>> The display options would be moved to the general 'Preferences' >>> dialog, i.e. be made global. I assume there is not much need to set >>> them per document. Regarding the page border field, see below. >>> >>>> What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >>>> Same >>>> for Scripting tab? >>> >>> >>> Grids and snap options are not document properties in my eyes but >>> helper functionality. Also, snapping is rather a global functionality >>> than specific to a document. >> >> >> Respectfully, I disagree. >> >> Grids tab: >> Sometimes I might have 2 or 3 grids in 1 file (although only 1 at a time is >> visible). But other times, no grids at all. So this is very much a "per >> document" feature for me. > > Convinced, adding the tab back. While writing this, I forgot about my own suggestion. What about moving guides and grids into a separate dialog? Doing so, those would still be document specific though could be adjusted separately from the general document properties. (Previously I suggested to move grids + snapping into a combined dialog, though snapping is not restricted to grids, so it should rather be kept separate.)

>> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...> >> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 3:46 AM >> To: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> >> Cc: "Inkscape" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net&gt; >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog >> >> >>> Hi Brynn, hi Maren, >>> >>> thank you for the feedback! >>> >>> On 28 May 2016 at 12:21, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote: >>>> >>>> On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can show >>>> or >>>> hide the page border, or disable antialiasing? >>> >>> >>> The display options would be moved to the general 'Preferences' >>> dialog, i.e. be made global. I assume there is not much need to set >>> them per document. Regarding the page border field, see below. >>> >>>> What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >>>> Same >>>> for Scripting tab? >>> >>> >>> Grids and snap options are not document properties in my eyes but >>> helper functionality. Also, snapping is rather a global functionality >>> than specific to a document. >>> >>> On 28 May 2016 at 16:13, Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sebastian, I've seen a lot of people using the 'set page border color' >>>> option when they are using a dark background for their drawings. >>>> Where would that option go? Or did you mean to remove that completely? >>> >>> >>> Well, I imagined this option not to be used often. Though I agree that >>> with dark backgrounds the contrast may be very low, so people would >>> like to adjust it. >>> >>> As I guess keeping a high contrast is the main reason for having that >>> option and people are currently required to adjust the border color >>> accordingly when they set a background color, I see two possible >>> solutions to improve this: >>> >>> 1. Only set the viewport background color and keep the area outside of >>> it unchanged. >>> 2. Adjust the border color automatically according to the chosen >>> background color, so that you always keep a high contrast (like it's >>> done for the grippies on object selection). >>> >>> Having said that, this is probably out of scope for the blueprint, so >>> I may just add the option back for now. >>> >>>> As guides colors are document-specific (as far as I understand), having >>>> them set in the preferences doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I imagine >>>> that the best guide color also depends upon the selected background >>>> color for the document, and as such should either also be in a separate >>>> 'Guide' dialog, or stay where it is. >>> >>> >>> While the same solution as for the border color might be applied >>> (automatically keep a high contrast), I agree that moving them into a >>> separate dialog might be a good solution - also in regard of future >>> feature additions like allowing to adjust their position precisely >>> within that dialog or allowing to define different colors per guide. >>> I'll adjust the proposal accordingly. >>> >>>> The coupling of document units and page size units, mmh. I think it >>>> would simplify things for new users. For myself, I don't like it too >>>> much. >>> >>> >>> What are the use cases to adjust them individually? >>> >>>> I like the Licences being put into the Metadata section and the 'Save as >>>> template' option a lot. The change to the colors tab also is really >>>> nice. And the cancel button is really useful (so the document will not >>>> be resized while you're still entering the values, and you can change >>>> your mind, too, without several actions happening in the background). >>> >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>>> What I always find difficult about these kinds of dialogs, though, is >>>> that I never know if I need to hit OK for each tab separately, or if it >>>> will apply for everything I changed in all tabs (different programs do >>>> this differently). Is there an UI way to make this really obvious? >>> >>> >>> The programs I know on Windows and Linux always accept the whole >>> preferences when clicking the OK button. >>> Sometimes there is an additional 'Apply' button, which saves the >>> settings without closing the dialog. Eclipse has such a button within >>> its preferences dialog, for example. Though there it's clear that the >>> 'Apply' button only affects the current options page, as it is located >>> within the options area (while the OK button is outside that area, so >>> it's meant to save all preferences). >>> >>>> Will the dialog close automatically upon hitting OK? >>> >>> >>> In accordance to the above, yes, it will close the dialog (as it is >>> located outside the tabs; normal behavior across programs). >>> >>> Sebastian >>> >>>> Am 28.05.2016 um 12:21 schrieb Brynn: >>>>> >>>>> On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can >>>>> show or >>>>> hide the page border, or disable antialiasing? >>>>> >>>>> What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >>>>> Same for Scripting tab? >>>>> >>>>> All best, brynn >>>>> >>>>> _______________________ >>>>> From: Sebastian Zartner >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 4:39 PM >>>>> To: Inkscape >>>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I took the time to draft a reworked Document Properties dialog. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I already created a blueprint for that two years ago: >>>>> >>>>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/inkscape/+spec/document-properties-rework >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And now I finally also described my proposal in a bit more detail >>>>> including >>>>> some mockups within the wiki: >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/BlueprintReworkedDocumentProperti... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Would be great if someone took the time to review it and give me some >>>>> feedback. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you in advance, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sebastian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? 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