Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog

On 29 May 2016 at 13:11, Diederik van Lierop <mail@...1689...> wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Sebastian Zartner > <sebastianzartner@...400...> wrote: >> >> > What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >> > Same >> > for Scripting tab? >> >> Grids and snap options are not document properties in my eyes but >> helper functionality. Also, snapping is rather a global functionality >> than specific to a document. > > > I don't agree with this. [...] Got the point. So, I'll add the Grids tab back.

On 30 May 2016 at 04:32, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote: >>> On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can show >>> or >>> hide the page border, or disable antialiasing? >> >> >> The display options would be moved to the general 'Preferences' >> dialog, i.e. be made global. I assume there is not much need to set >> them per document. Regarding the page border field, see below. >> >>> What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >>> Same >>> for Scripting tab? >> >> >> Grids and snap options are not document properties in my eyes but >> helper functionality. Also, snapping is rather a global functionality >> than specific to a document. > > > Respectfully, I disagree. > > Grids tab: > Sometimes I might have 2 or 3 grids in 1 file (although only 1 at a time is > visible). But other times, no grids at all. So this is very much a "per > document" feature for me. Convinced, adding the tab back.

> -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sebastian Zartner" <sebastianzartner@...400...> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 3:46 AM > To: "Maren Hachmann" <maren@...3165...>; "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> > Cc: "Inkscape" <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net&gt; > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog > > >> Hi Brynn, hi Maren, >> >> thank you for the feedback! >> >> On 28 May 2016 at 12:21, Brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote: >>> >>> On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can show >>> or >>> hide the page border, or disable antialiasing? >> >> >> The display options would be moved to the general 'Preferences' >> dialog, i.e. be made global. I assume there is not much need to set >> them per document. Regarding the page border field, see below. >> >>> What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >>> Same >>> for Scripting tab? >> >> >> Grids and snap options are not document properties in my eyes but >> helper functionality. Also, snapping is rather a global functionality >> than specific to a document. >> >> On 28 May 2016 at 16:13, Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...> wrote: >>> >>> Sebastian, I've seen a lot of people using the 'set page border color' >>> option when they are using a dark background for their drawings. >>> Where would that option go? Or did you mean to remove that completely? >> >> >> Well, I imagined this option not to be used often. Though I agree that >> with dark backgrounds the contrast may be very low, so people would >> like to adjust it. >> >> As I guess keeping a high contrast is the main reason for having that >> option and people are currently required to adjust the border color >> accordingly when they set a background color, I see two possible >> solutions to improve this: >> >> 1. Only set the viewport background color and keep the area outside of >> it unchanged. >> 2. Adjust the border color automatically according to the chosen >> background color, so that you always keep a high contrast (like it's >> done for the grippies on object selection). >> >> Having said that, this is probably out of scope for the blueprint, so >> I may just add the option back for now. >> >>> As guides colors are document-specific (as far as I understand), having >>> them set in the preferences doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I imagine >>> that the best guide color also depends upon the selected background >>> color for the document, and as such should either also be in a separate >>> 'Guide' dialog, or stay where it is. >> >> >> While the same solution as for the border color might be applied >> (automatically keep a high contrast), I agree that moving them into a >> separate dialog might be a good solution - also in regard of future >> feature additions like allowing to adjust their position precisely >> within that dialog or allowing to define different colors per guide. >> I'll adjust the proposal accordingly. >> >>> The coupling of document units and page size units, mmh. I think it >>> would simplify things for new users. For myself, I don't like it too >>> much. >> >> >> What are the use cases to adjust them individually? >> >>> I like the Licences being put into the Metadata section and the 'Save as >>> template' option a lot. The change to the colors tab also is really >>> nice. And the cancel button is really useful (so the document will not >>> be resized while you're still entering the values, and you can change >>> your mind, too, without several actions happening in the background). >> >> >> Thank you! >> >>> What I always find difficult about these kinds of dialogs, though, is >>> that I never know if I need to hit OK for each tab separately, or if it >>> will apply for everything I changed in all tabs (different programs do >>> this differently). Is there an UI way to make this really obvious? >> >> >> The programs I know on Windows and Linux always accept the whole >> preferences when clicking the OK button. >> Sometimes there is an additional 'Apply' button, which saves the >> settings without closing the dialog. Eclipse has such a button within >> its preferences dialog, for example. Though there it's clear that the >> 'Apply' button only affects the current options page, as it is located >> within the options area (while the OK button is outside that area, so >> it's meant to save all preferences). >> >>> Will the dialog close automatically upon hitting OK? >> >> >> In accordance to the above, yes, it will close the dialog (as it is >> located outside the tabs; normal behavior across programs). >> >> Sebastian >> >>> Am 28.05.2016 um 12:21 schrieb Brynn: >>>> >>>> On the Page tab, what happened to the Display section, where you can >>>> show or >>>> hide the page border, or disable antialiasing? >>>> >>>> What is the benefit of moving Grids and Snap tabs to a separate dialog? >>>> Same for Scripting tab? >>>> >>>> All best, brynn >>>> >>>> _______________________ >>>> From: Sebastian Zartner >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 4:39 PM >>>> To: Inkscape >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] [UI] Rework Document Properties dialog >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> >>>> I took the time to draft a reworked Document Properties dialog. >>>> >>>> >>>> I already created a blueprint for that two years ago: >>>> >>>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/inkscape/+spec/document-properties-rework >>>> >>>> >>>> And now I finally also described my proposal in a bit more detail >>>> including >>>> some mockups within the wiki: >>>> >>>> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/BlueprintReworkedDocumentProperti... >>>> >>>> >>>> Would be great if someone took the time to review it and give me some >>>> feedback. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you in advance, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sebastian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? 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